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ABDULADINO:
Go back and reread that scripture. God's mercy triumphed over judgement despite the challenge. God covers them with his mercy. The blood of the skin wrapped around Adam even when he deliberately rebelled was a shadow of what is to come. The Bible indicates that the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. This means that no sin a believer commits can result in condemnation or loss of salvation

John 15:4-6 (KJV)
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned

1. ABIDE is an instruction, a command by God to man
2. Failure to ABIDE has consequences of (a) being pluck off, and (b) being cast into fire.

Question
1. What is ABIDE?

ABDULADINO:
This is a pitiable doctrine. There is NO CONDITION for salvation.

Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. (NKJ)

You lack discernment totally. How do I access this gift?
I can ask an amateur theologian or Peter.
Acts 2:37-40 (KJV)
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Amateur half baked theologians be like, do what? It's a gift!

winner01:
Lol, Paul was a man just like you. Even our Lord Jesus Christ said we will do greater works.
And Did the Bible ever give examples of ministers, or pastors, or evangelists, or bishops and so on. The disciples were evangelists and more of such titles today.
You sound more stup1d each time you use the word Negro.
We will have more Billionaire pastors and christians as man keeps unfolding the untapped blessings that God has for man. Even many of God's generals had financial problems, this was never God's will.
Brace yourself, a new wave of billionaire christian and ministers are about to surface.

Negro,
These new revelations were hid from the body of Christ for 1900 years?

sportsmaster:
i get the point bro.

Jesus saves us completely.
But we must stick to him as our Lord and saviour.
He warned same thing in Matt24:
we must stick to him as our Lord and savior to the end.

Agreed

CaptainJune:
In other words, the promises of God concerning material abundance to His people do not apply to preachers.

Christ was made poor that we may be rich does not apply to preachers. Preachers are the only exception in the blessings and promises of financial abundance.

David was highly anointed by God. He was a king and prophet of God. Solomon was called the Preacher.

@ topic, the best we can do is pray that God uses His servants to spread the message of the cross to the world, to use them to wake people from spiritual slumber, to use them to break the chains of bondage in the lives of people. Prayer is the key

Like a respected preacher once said, "Pray, pray, and pray."

Romans 15:26 (KJV)
For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem

These poor saints missed the memo and your eloquent dividing of the word

5solas:
The above is a nice submission and I have liked and shared it. However, I still disagree about the unbelief/ faith bit. I will comment on it later.


Just wondering what Vooks thinks. He has been on about man doing his bit.

Man has a responsibility in his salvation. His role is to RESPOND to God's grace. Responding is not working; responding is a CONDITION for salvation. Faith is not salvation, it is a condition for salvation.

If man had no role whatsoever in salvation, then Peter must have been smoking weed in responding to this question here;

Acts 2:37 English Standard Version (ESV)
37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

So what did he tell them, 'do NOTHING'?
Acts 2:38 English Standard Version (ESV)
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

And elsewhere,

Acts 2:40 English Standard Version (ESV)
40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”

How were they to save themselves? By dying on the cross? Nope, but by ACCEPTING, by RECEIVING the gift of salvation

paulGrundy:
Isn't this the guy whom they said is hiding in Mexico? That has not been seen publicly? Our Media sef

Represented by Olorogun Talib Tebite, Joshua also promised the IDPs

He never returned from Mexico Crusade back in May.

Since then he has;
1. Rejected the coroner's report
2. Had a prophecy 'fulfilled'- the Indian train derailment
3. Done charity

In all these he has NEVER been seen in public. But his sheeple won't hesitate to catch apparitions of him all over

lastmessenger:
stop insulting Negros.

Am Negro myself. A very proud Negro

sportsmaster:
obviously,turning away from Christ is the only thing that can deny you heaven.
not sinful actions

You can't turn away from Christ unless you were in Him. You are a candidate for turning away

But I pray you persevere

winner01:
How about Joseph of Arimathaea, a minister of the gospel. matt 27:57, How about Hezekiah, 2chronicles 32:26-28 ...
To further show how lame you are, you think i feel less human being called a Negro,...well i got news for you: Not all Negroids dream of being caucasoids or mongoloids or whatever. Excepts maybe people with low self esteem like you...
And if you got a Negro brain too, then you are probably more stup1d than i thought for using such word.

Joseph was a disciple not a 'minister'. Hezekiah was a king. Very shody examples you have of Christian preachers being filthy rich.

Listen Negro,
A Christian can be a billionaire or dirt poor. We have both in the New Testament. But we have never had billionaire full time ministers until 21st century. It's like they suddenly discovered some trick that was hidden from all the previous generation of believers.

What trick did they discover? Making merchandise of the gospel

2 Peter 2:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

1 Timothy 6:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.


They live for spiritual tips. They have secrets Paul was not privy to

5solas:

Thanks for the excellent distinction ! We now know satan is different from the devil !

Welcome

winner01:
I call chris delvan of gwamna ministries a psalmist, some call him a pastor...King david was more of a psalmist than anyone, Rockefeller was a sunday school teacher till he was aged... I dont know what you mean by rants.
Christianity is not poverty.

David had NOTHING till hiss ascendancy to the throne. Rockefeller started somewhere and that was certainly not in the money. He made his money in entrepreneurship. Only Negro brains would compare a king,and entrepreneur with a minister of the gospel

winner01:
If i had the means, ill buy private jets for evangelist Reinhard bonke, Joseph prince, Benny Hinn and their likes...I wonder how they move all over the world without convenient mobility. The Gospel of Truth must be spread.
Wealthy pastors are often criticized, but i wonder what people of this generation would say during the time of King David, King Solomon, John Rockefeller e.t.c,
However im against "Pastors" misleading people of God.

Those were not preachers. The first two were kings. Please compare them with Queen Elizabeth for your rant to make sense. The other one was a shrewd business man.

spokesboy:
You all make me laugh over your arguments about the Man of God and people's believes about him. This is purely a personal matter and your arguments cannot change a thing about personal convictions.

Is that not why we have Islam & Christianity, Redeemed & Catholic, PFN & CAN, etc.

So, I beg you all to respect one another and appreciate each other's differences in believes and let God do his own work of judging. Why would any Man want to act God or play his role for him?

Prophet T.B. Joshua is a reserved man of God and would not be happy to see people entering into altercation with others in the guise of defending him. His ministry has served as a "mecca" to the whole world and a major attraction for visitors coming into Nigeria.

The Late President Yar'Adua recognised the contribution of the Man of God and his ministry to national development, humanitarian activities and acknowledged that most Nigerian overseas high commission earn most of their revenue from tourists/pilgrims coming into Nigeria to visit SCOAN. On the back of this, he was given a National Honour of Officer of the Order of Federal Republic (OFR).

For those people who need to seek spiritual/divine help in his church, why would anyone want to serve as a stumbling block on their way? Why would you want to dissuade people from their healing and miracles for reasons that profit neither you or the kingdom of Heaven.

Friends, I believe we can do a better investigation and also seek divine revelations if spiritual things are not clear to us. SCOAN or Prophet T.B. Joshua does not compete with anyone or any ministry. His ministry is over 20 years old and he is still standing strong despite all the trials and tribulations he has passed through.
[Click this link to watch his humbling story:
So who can dishonour whom God has honoured?

Negro please!
You don't work to be recognized by men.

This charlatan killed 116 hapless fools and is on the run from justice

Let's consider too that he could be too sick to face the public and none of his voodoo is working

Negro been MIA since Mexico. In fact he never returned. Let's look at what he has been up to
1. He dismissed the coroner's report on the collapsed building
2. He claimed to have prophesied the I Dian train derailment
3. He engaged in charity here

In all these, he has been using proxies. The negro is either too sick to go public or he is a fugitive from justice
https://www.nairaland.com/2419553/why-tb-joshua-hiding-mexico

sportsmaster:
my final quote.

John5:24:-Verily,verily,I say unto you,He that hears my Word and believes on him that sent me,hath everlasting life,and SHALL NOT COME INTO CONDEMNATION;but is passed from death to life.

BELIEVES is active continuous tense.

John10:28"And i give unto them eternal life;and they shall never perish,neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
29My father which gave them to me is greater than all;no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

what is Jesus saying here?.
I want answers
Cc vooks,scholar8200,jiggaz,ayoku777.

Nothing can pluck you from Jesus/Father's hand. But you are not held there against your will. You can walk away.

Think Adam in Eden. NOTHING could pluck him from Eden. Not even Satan. But the devil provoked him to rebel and walk away from all that

trapQ:
i know what ''apparition'' means.

why he chooses to come out after service these days i cant tell. its obviously not my business. my pastor was once away for months. nobody rained insults or cussed out on him. we simply waited patiently for his return. he attended all of his court meetings, im sure the op doesnt know this. hes one of the most famous people in the world so if he wanted to hide in mexico, he couldnt even if he tried because he would have been caught and extradited.

faith bracelet can be just a random bracelet to anyone, but to other SCOAN members it is believed to have the healing, delivering and protection power through faith in our lord jesus christ. the faith bracelet is ''only'' given as a ''gift'' from prophet tb joshua to whoever he wants to give it to. it is never to be sold.

You are lying.
The Coroner made 4 attempts to have TB Joshua at the enquiry but he snubbed all of them.

TB joshua is either nursing a major sickness and is afraid of appearing 'weak' to his sheeple or he is a fugitive from justice for his 116 human sacrifices. I favor this because his disappearance coincided with the Coroner's report. I don't believe in coincidences

Now, tell me exactly WHERE you saw him

gabe15:
have giving up on u. no hope for u liar

I won't give up on you. I pray that your eyes may be opened that you may see the charlatan for what he is.

In the meantime,when you see TB Joshua, please let me know.

He is on the run from justice. 4 months and counting. Either he is severely sick and his witchcraft can't heal him and he is afraid of being seen sick or he is really scared of jail, or BOTH!

badnature:
this things of spirit are foolishness to the wise men of this world

This is very true, that's why grown ups can't tell they are being ripped by this grifter.

I pray for a spirit of discernment and a healthy dose of common sense for you in Jesus name amen!

musKeeto:
Im cool. U? Hw lyf?

Am glad to hear that bro.
Life tastes good with Coke Jesus Christ

musKeeto:

Wassup my Negro

davidiyke:
Glory to God Almighty, the Revealer of all secrets.

I have ran into countless 'prophets'. How should I go about testing them if they are really from God?

Cc Winsomex

[quote author=gabe15 post=37088321][/quote]The charlatan master video editor does not even know that you exist and here you are hurling invectives for him.
May the Lord have mercy on your puny brains

victorazy:
Ur already cursed bro!

You are cursed for cursing what God has blessed!

Ublaize:
If u don't understand the meanining of Blackmail pls, use the dictionary.
N200,000 is the asking price for the photograph and not the cost of production.

My action is simply exemplary of an Invitation to treat. for instance, if i brought a car for u to inspect and buy, shld u now convert it b'cos i brought it to ur premises and u are unwilling to buy. There are lots of works of Art of prominent pple in galleries, studios etc why haven't they gone to claim it cos it has their images. My plight shld be seen in the same light too.

A civil wrong has been done to me. This a case of conversion.

What are you smoking?
If you meant it to be an invitation to treat, you should have said so from get-go.
Ministers are often showered with gifts, so their first inclination is to believe it was a gift. Then you come along with a 200K bill

You have zero business acumen no wonder you are scrapping NL for Kleenex to wipe your sorry tears

badnature:
vooks may the LORD have mercy on you it's seam you came to this world with the same destiny with the Pharisee

May the Lord shower you with discernment so you are not carried about by every found wind of doctrine and voodoo

When you meet this charlatan, please hola. I miss him

gabe15:
I think I can see d pure hatred u have for him .big fooooooooooooooool

To hate somebody, he gotta have something admirable in him. What is there to admire in TB Joshua?

Faking prophecies, selling miracles?

No please, I'll pass

badnature:
the called JESUS all sorts of name,the tormented his apostle,Stephen was stone to death, when JESUS was born the people of Samaria and Nazareth didn't know but GOD in his wisdom reveal it to people from the east,while some people see him as son of Joseph,some see him as the promise messiah.so we can all see from here the GRACE is not the same,while people from all over the world Grace tb Joshua! nigeria people believe that he is feeck that to me remind me of the trip from the wise men of the east JESUS told his disciples a servant can not be greater than his master,if the accept me the will accept you and since the don't accept him i don't know how the will accept tb Joshua.and in that book of JOHN 16-1-2 JESUS told his disciples"these things have i spoken unto you,that ye should not be offended,2 they shall put you out of the synagogue:yea,the time cometh,that whosoever killeth you will think that he does GOD service" and that exactly what tb Joshua is passing through, i pray as the spirit of GOD in prophet tb Joshua lead us to GOD which is spirit in spirit ,my faith will not failed in JESUS NAME

Negro,
Jesus did not kill 116 hapless fools for one.
And he never charged an arm and a leg for his miracles

zeusdgrt:
You should have done the same and keep shut to urslf rather than saying nonsense with your feeble mindset,am just advising you so that you will leave long on earth,never criticise anyone,live your life and serve God in ur best way cz is a personal race,finally be good and help others through ur best possible means.Mr vooks learn and live long before ur feeble mindset affects your generation.Am done with u

Keep your unsolicited counsel to yourself.
This negro is on the run from justice.
He better repent coz hell is real and a gazillion times as bad

Damfostopper:
im not interested in ur rubish write up bladerbash

Why are you responding and reading this thread