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forgiveness:
When did you start hearing about Leicester city?

As early as I started hearing about Chelsea and Arsenal and Aston Villa and Sheffield Wednesday etc

When did you start hearing about Leicester and also Donetsk?

forgiveness:
Europa League is more difficult to win. Are Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool etc not EPL teams?

The last time I checked they couldn't win it the last time they participated in the tournament.

Read my earlier post regarding incentives..and then add that to the fact that for many teams particularly those in the poorer leagues, the Europa Cup is their only realistic chance of continental glory and you'll understand why the English Teams you listed didn't win it regularly.

Since the rule that the Europa League winners qualified for the champions league group stage automatically came into force both Chelsea and Man Utd have won it and Arsenal also made it to the final. It's obvious what effect the incentive has had. No?

Subzero047:
It is not as easy as that, An African or a western European would choose Leicester while an Eastern European would choose Shakhtar Donetsk

So you reckon as an example a young talented polish international will turn down the opportunity to join Leicester in favour of Shakhtar Donetsk? Okay. I will leave it there.

andrewbaba44:
When I said you didn’t know of Leicester I didn’t mean the existence of the club

Knowing them as a big club or as a force in the epl then
,we can speak of Newcastle Blackburn and co then

Even today they are not a big club in English football BUT the level of football in England doesn't make for fair comparison with Donetsk.

forgiveness:
If Europa League is easy, why are teams from EPL not winning it every season?

You haven't answered the question though. Which is harder to win?

Until recently when the winners of the Europa League automatically qualified for the champions league group stage there was never any incentive for the big English Teams to win the Europa League. The prize money is less than the FA cup! The smaller English Teams who have made it there weren't equipped to compete such as Birmingham and Stoke.

On both occasions when Chelsea has won it there have been no open top bus tours. I guess that is indicative of the status of that tournament.

andrewbaba44:
Haba

People where angry agahowa left Esperance for shaktar ? Those people are definitely not Nigerians

In the early 2000s Nigeria fans where so happy to see our players in Europe even if it’s Bulgaria Slovenia let alone Ukraine that shaktar and dynamo Kiev have been known then ,Nigerians where happy with agahowa move to shaktar then maybe the angry ones are the Tunisia fans

In the 2000s do you even know about Leicester ?

Trust me this happened. The general belief was that he was better off in Esperance if he couldn't make it to a proper league. I remember this personally. When he eventually forced his way out of Donestk 6/7 years later he landed in Wigan.

And yea I knew about Leicester long before 2000. I'm an old boy.

Subzero047:
I don't agree, I just say that is the only plausible point

Okay with is the more attractive team then? Pick one answer. No need to 'show your working'

forgiveness:
The question was directed to nerd to point out his double standard.

No intention to debate between Sharktar Donetsk and Leicester city.

However, Sharktar Donetsk reached Europa League semi final just last season. Not forgetting they won UEFA cup in the same 21st century.

Does that sound like local champion to you?

What is more difficult, winning today's Europa League or winning the Premier League?

Subzero047:
The only reason Leicester would be more attractive than Shakhtar Donetsk is because they play in the premier league

To you that's the reason but importantly you agree they are.

andrewbaba44:
Payet was simply home sick nah ,he even rejected more lucrative offers to return home ,west ham was even willing to pay him higher but dude refused

We are still saying the same thing ,me calling England a better league and you calling better English teams ahead of those Ukrainian teams

For the same wage I will choose shaktar Donetsk

If players can reject Chelsea man united for the Chinese league then it will be so easy to reject Leicester for a shaktar Donetsk with higher wages and playing in the champions league

Super eagles are never better than England in Any day

Hahaha na so. I think we have agreed on one count. But my guy although Shakhtar Donetsk are a decent club they not as attractive a prospect as Leicester City for players, coaches and investors alike. Trust me.

I remember when Julius Aghawoha moved there from Esperance Tunis in 2000 or so that was the first time I had ever heard the name Shakhtar Donetsk and people were angry he left Esperance for them. Imagine that.

andrewbaba44:
You will join Leicester because of more money and a better league

Many players will choose to join west ham than Porto so does that makes west ham a better team than Porto ?

This is all not about money. Not sure how you reached that conclusion. Many players will join Porto rather than West ham bro. Remember Dimitri Payet? He went on strike to force a move away from West Ham to Marseille! Marseille is on the same level as Porto if not even a slightly smaller club.

You are right about the better league part though. As an ambitious player I will rather face the likes of Spurs, Everton, Man Utd, Chelsea etc on a weekly basis than the prospect of fighting it out with Metalist Kharkiv, Zorya Luhansk, Mariupol and Dynamo Kiev....and my local derbies being against Olimpik Donetsk!

Wouldn't you? I'll ask you this, for the same wage if you had a choice between playing for Leicester city or Shakhtar Donetsk which would you pick?

This debate reminds me of naija fans that think Super Eagles are better than England because England haven't won't anything since 1966. Very funny.

forgiveness:
Who did the rating? Besides, the comparison was not done this season though Sharktar Donetsk still ranks far above Leicester city.

Please, let us be consistent with the standard of measurement here.

I have added some metrics here. Of course you can add to these of you like. Shakhtar Donetsk got their 'financial doping' about 25 years ago and have since then won 90 percent of their titles and recognition. Their business model is speculating on and buying young Brazilian talent with the hope of selling on for huge profits. They are the true definition of the phrase 'local champions'

Leicester on the other hand hardly have any history of note but are on an upwards trajectory with a sustainable business model and commited owners. Unfortunately they play in a league where there is low ceiling blocking sustained upward mobility. If they played in a different league (like the Ukrainian league) they would have a much stronger chance of consistent success and building pedigree.

My summary is there isn't much to choose between them at the moment BUT if I was a player with a choice to make I will join today's Leicester before I joined Shakhtar Donetsk.

forgiveness:
Is Porto better than Fulham in EPL?

Fulham is no where near Porto regardless of metric of comparison.

forgiveness:
Why is football weeping at this question when you are guilty of same?

Were you not the one that claimed Leicester city is better than Sharktar Doneskt because the former is an EPL team?

I just wanted to point out your double standard. That's all. Merci.

Leicester is better than Shakhtar Donetsk.

charlesemeka85:
glascow rangers is better than fulham and westbrom joined together

I disagree. But your opinion is yours bro.

BBC highlighting the importance of our World Class Ndidi to Leicester's cause.

TheSuperNerd:
Believe me when I say CIV wouldn't even survive our own firepower quick enough to be able to make theirs count. We are just better and that cannot be overlooked.

CIV didn't have an inept Rohr but didn't go as far as Rohr did with Nigeria at the last major tournament. Not saying Rohr is great. Bit he did outdo CIV's so called "competent mind".

They don't match us in attack on the overall. We are better. In midfield, we are better.

Central attacking options. NGA >>>> CIV. Their first choice is not even better than Nigeria's Third choice.

Wing options. NGA = CIV.

Midfield. NGA >>>> CIV

Defence. NGA = CIV.

GK (Last line of defence). Their own dey TP Mazembe or so... We have two fine stoppers in Europe playing regularly. He may be experienced but ours are young and talented. But if we talking experience vs experience... Then maybe Akpeyi of Kaizer Chiefs can be brought up.

IMO man for man we are on paper stronger than today's CIV. But our Super Eagles as a team are less than the sum of its parts. When that is resolved we will be a very fearsome team.

The real failure is winning the age grade tournaments but not finding any materials for the national team in the long term.

Fostercat:
@poster you don't know what you are saying.

Sales professionals earns the best Nigeria.
An ordinary ASM - Area sales manager earns 500k
RSM- 800-1-5 monthly
DSM 2m monthly
Sales director 4m monthly.

If I lie, ask anybody in P&G

basic pay or with commission?

If that is including commission, what about the months when they dont meet sales targets and so no commission is added on?

If that is their basic then what will be their incentive to sell anything?

On and by the way I'm only asking for a friend.

SmartPolician:
This is FALSE

Take it or leave it, teaching is not difficult

Almost all corps members taught, including myself

People are paid well because their jobs are extremely difficult or risky, making many others to avoid such professions.

Nope....so you mean say all those brick layer them wen dey climb scaffold put roof for 5/6 story building them hold serious pepper be dat!

16 yrs and 10 months

JohnBullMySon:
I no dey insult players. Get your facts right.

You're calling uzoho, Uzoho's case is even more controversial. Ezenwa was our keeper when ikeme retired, he kept throughout the qualifiers and did well, when uzoho started playing in Europe, Rohr benched Ezenwa straightaway, there was no struggle whatsoever. Ezenwa only played when there was a friendly in the same window with qualifiers. Like against Zimbabwe. Uzoho kept during the world cup on the hardwork of Ezenwa.

Osimhen was not yet performing during the world cup and afcon. His 20 goals for Charleroi was in the space of two seasons. Osimhen only picked up in July 2019 after afcon when he signed for lille. He displaced Onuachu who was second to ighalo then.

Maduka is our best keeper currently, he does not need to fight for anything, when his club performance drops, a keeper in form will take over. That's how Rohr does. When uzoho lost form big time before afcon, Rohr relegated him to third choice.

As for ndidi, we are saying the same thing, same with sanusi. When you are currently the best, you don't fight with anyone for the position. Same way omeruo benched balogun during afcon and now balogun has come back to bench him again. Dem no dey do fight for shirt in national team, matches no plenty for gambling. Your club performance will determine it. Maduka had already played first team football before starting in Algeria game. Me and you know that the Brazil match was a rare accidental chance for him.

In making this argument, does it not matter that Ezenwa wasn't no.1 even at his local club side?

andrewbaba44:
Maduka okoye is the best in his position ? Be deceiving your self ,if na uzoho or akpeyi chop 4 goals against seria Leone una go insult them tire

Uzoho fought with ezenwa who did well during some qualifiers ,forgot so soon ?

Osimhen waited for Ighalo to retire before he took that position or you forgot so soon that he was benched at the afcon by Ighalo despite his good form at Belgium ?

Maduka doesn’t look like he is better than even akpeyi self and you are telling me he is better then all ,I laugh in Chinese ,I have no problem with him starting but saying he fought for that GK shirt is the biggest lie in 2020

You want ndidi to fight with who if I may ask ? One of the best DM in the epl to fight with average players for his shirt abi ,Maduka has never played first team football before taking the eagles shirt

Go tell another person this one and not me

It's not about the number of goals a goalkeeper lets in BUT the manner in which they let them in.

On what basis has Oliseh made it to that list? For me Oliseh, Siasia, Eguavon should not be considered for the job again.

If I was a decision makes in the NFF I would not object to inviting Renard and Amunike for interviews. I will also consider Frank Rijkaard if he wants a route back into football. If he does he may be cheap.

didn't we all? sigh.

TEAMtalk can reveal that striker Ahmed Musa is hoping to secure a move back to English football in the coming weeks.

The Nigeria international is one of the more higher profile free agents currently available having left his former club Al Nassr last month.

Musa is understood to have interest from around Europe, but it is believed to be keen on having another crack at the Premier League.

Having only just turned 28, Musa believes he still has a lot to offer at the top level and that is evident given he cost Leicester £16m just a few years ago.

His time at the King Power Stadium did not going according to plan and after 18 months he was loaned back to his former club CSKA Moscow before moving to Saudi.

In his 58 appearances for Nassr, he scored 11 goals and provided 14 assists, helping the team win the 2018/19 Saudi league and Super Cup.

Now Musa’s representatives are talking with a host of clubs, including some in the Premier League.

We understand Crystal Palace, Newcastle, West Ham, Burnley and Sheffield United are amongst those who have been approached – but it remains to be seen if they will make an offer.

Musa also has interest from clubs in Spain, Italy and in Russia, where he has enjoyed success with CSKA earlier in his career.


https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-newcastle-west-ham-among-clubs-offered-ahmed-musa

no be only primate na orangutan

For the price tag I must say i am underwhelmed.

Dancing 2/10
Booty 10/10

Total 12/20 = C grade.

JohnBullMySon:
things like this happen all time. Camerooun defeated star studded Argentina in the 1990 world cup. That you are better than a team does not mean that you will beat them all the time. All teams can show brilliance at any time. What makes a star team and star players what they are is consistency. They deliver good performances very often.

Whilst the critical example i made is the Sierra Leone game, my points consider several games. In 4 and a half years in the job overall Rohr has done an okay job. From here on in (starting at the 2019 AFCON) the team has been in terminal decline. We have two options. We can lower our expectations bar to suit the manager or we can get a manager who is capable of meeting our expectations bar as Rohr once did. The choice is ours, or Pinnick's really.

siralos135:
Leave Joachim Low alone, at least he has won a world cup title with his team. Direct your boot to the appropriate quarter of your immediate concerns-Nigeria!

We overate these guys expecting too much from a bunch of average guys who for majority of them, starting for their club is a matter of insha allah.

Rohr this and that as if other teams are going to be sleeping on the pitch because it is Nigeria.

With all due respect this is rubbish and a ridiculous summation of what we have been witnessing.

I'll cut to the chase:

1. 12 out of the 21 players in the Sierra Leone team play in their very poor domestic league which has been suspended for most of the year. You will never ever pick anyone of their players on merit ahead of even our worst player. This is not derogatory to them it is a statement of fact.

2. They are ranked 120 in the world for a reason, they are not a good side and lose a lot more than they win or draw football games.

3. The Sierra Leonians are offered far less by way of Reward for positive performances.

4. The local Sierra Leone manager who just thoroughly outwitted our expatriate coach and embarrassed us before the world has been in the job for less time than Rohr.

5. On a head to head basis (if this was a knock out qualifying format) we would have woken up this morning to the cold reality of being knocked out.

6. Relinquishing a 4 (FOUR!!!!) Goal lead against any opposition is strong evidence of either incompetence or negligence. Doing so at home to a team at the level of Sierra Leone is unpardonable.

7. The evidence of the teams regression from game to game is glaring.

8. This team built by Rohr is significantly weaker than the sum of its parts.

After the last two friendlies I wrote here that we are not yet in trouble but trouble may not be far away. Now we are even closer.

mank1234:
I'll go for Amunike or Siasia. Give the person same support and free hand as given Rhor.

We are not ready for a local coach leading the team. Sure they can be part of the bench though. Bookmark this post.