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gatiano:
How does that matter? if ALLAH was the first MAN, what hue would he have been?

Black. But do the Arab people know that?

gatiano:
who made your life easier? i know who made mine so marvellous. i can lay my life and the lives of my unborn grandchildren down, that he who made my life and the lives of my yet unborn great grandchildren will never eat a pork meat, not even by a long deceit or mistake. all the material things that you whine about and kill one another for is made from the created things that ALLAH with his own hands created.

I wasn't arguing with you, simply translating the comment you didn't understand.

gatiano:
it is this same thread, i told you so, and i stand by it that GOD is a supreme MAN. He can't just be other than a Man.

Is he a white man or a black man?

sinequanon:
You mean the original question in the OP, instead of the one in your head.



I am afraid this is a naive question. "Working just fine" is too glib. ToE is about "better" conferring a relative advantage.

The real argument, which you are getting to is whether "apparently better" really is better.

What you'd do in the daytime is the same as what you do right now for "visible" light -- don't look directly at the sun, blink, etc. You'll have to explain why infrared is different, to make your point.

Also, evolving an infrared filter nictitating membrane should be easy?



Explain why this is different for "visible" light? Why do you need special turning off capability for infrared.



Both have very poor eyesight. And, as I said, this in itself does not address the question. It just repeats how things have panned out.

I think your earlier points do address the point.

It's good to have a meaningful debate.

Infrared vision would enable the eyes to detect light in that particular wavelength. It's useful at night time when the sun is on the opposite side of the rock beaming all that infrared radiation.

During sunlight, you may not even be able to detect definition in any images you see. It will all be a bright glowing blur, very painful to the eyes.

BossTtdiamonds:
Who is dyslexic now..?? Do you read before makin' your comment..or there's tis' urge in you to always comment before you read at all...?

Did I ask you a question like what's the difference between biogenesis and abiogenesis??

You asked 'bout that thin, I told you the thin'....and you're here spurtin' out trash...

Trolling, huh?

gatiano:
lets start with how Jesus create christianity, and How is Jesus the son of GOD?

What is so hard to believe about that? I have a fellow Muslim on another thread right now telling me that Allah is a man like me. A superior man. That's like the same idea.

gatiano:
i don't really understand, can you be more straight forward?

All the material things in life that provide you comfort and make your life easier were designed by people who ate roasted swine meat at backyard barbeque get-to-togethers.

sinequanon:
Seriously, are you really having this much difficulty reading?

(Apologies if you are dyslexic or something, but I otherwise cannot see what you are finding so difficult.)

The OP SAYS infrared vision is not well-developed in animal eyes. (Why are you repeating it?)

The question is, why hasn't such a "simple" thing evolved, despite the eye itself supposedly evolving independently several times.

Infrared is just an extension of the visible range. (Some insects can supposedly see ultraviolet, which is an extension in the other direction.) All I am asking is what was so difficult about the infrared extension, that it didn't happen.

I'm not repeating anything. I'm saying something entirely different.

Animals do not use their EYES to detect infrared radiation. Your OP, you admit, claims that this capability isn't well developed in the eyes of animals. Those are two different statements.

But never mind. I'll answer the new question.

Why would a tiger want to have infrared detecting eyes, when the night vision ones work just fine? What will you do with the night vision eyes during the daytime when the sunlight is at its brightest?

The capability doesn't confer an advantage in EYEBALLS. In fact, it may be deleterious on the spot. You won't be able to turn it off in the daytime, when you need to find your way somewhere. That's why animals like bats and snakes still have their eyeballs, but evolved extra organs for this infrared detecting business.

sinequanon:
Dude, if you can't read and understand the OP, we can't discuss.

Where did these people go to school?

Next...

What are you asking? Animals do not use their eyes to detect infrared radiation. So nobody is SEEING anything.

The overwhelming majority of animals have night vision capabilities, with the exception of primates. But that's because we don't have that layer of tissue behind our retina.

Some animals do detect infrared radiation, but they do so using specialized organs, not their eyes.

sinequanon:
When asked how something as complex as the eye evolved, atheist Richard Dawkins launched into his usual spiel about how such evolution is so easy that the eye evolved MANY times over, independently. For example, an octupuses eye evolved independently of a human eye, but has marked similarity.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Evolution_eye.svg/738px-Evolution_eye.svg.png

If the eye evolved so easily, how come the ability to see infrared didn't evolve?

This would have conferred huge advantage on creatures that get hunted at night. They would be able to see their predators easily by the heat of their bodies.

All the framework is there to extend to infrared vision. Why didn't that happen?

(Edit: wait for the usual idiots and hypocrites to enter thread...)

The question doesn't make sense. First of all, animals don't detect infrared radiation with their eyes, not even octopuses, who btw, don't even detect infrared light at all.
Secondly, many bush animals, as they say, already possess a tapetum lucidum, giving them an automatic night vision scope.

Primates don't have this layer of tissue, but then again, we aren't being hunted at night. And we d)amn sure don't want go out hunting at night when the lions are looking for food.

Tomytomy3:
12000 heaven and 12000 hell,very soon you will start removing your cloths. God have mercy.

Strangely enough, there aren't any mad people here in Atlanta.

I don't know where they are being kept. Hahaha.

gatiano:
interesting, out of boredom you say yet no walking stick and wheelchair, that is good, did she eat three times a day? and what kind of foods did she eat?
too much of everything and anything kills. 2 litres of water is not too much.

i stand my ground, pork kills, it dulls the brain and makes one and their children ugly. eating it gives one a porky or piggy attitude.

Your opinion is not scientific fact. Muslims and Jews don't eat pork because of how similar the meat is to the flesh of white people.

It is a paranoia borne out of the fear of cannibalism. That's the same reason why people don't eat monkeys. It looks like a baby human. An ugly baby human.

I totally understand if that's your thing, that you don't f)ck with the swine cuz it's nasty and the meat contains high amounts of LDL, but don't tell me that it was God who told someone the secret.

That's crazy talk.

2prexios:
You are in a bad mood over the god that you know does not exist, even if he does, your mood cannot tolerate knowing him. Do I care if a god exist or not? But I am grateful to my Creator and the Creator of life. I hallow his name in all language. I am less concern about God's business, I have mine. I am not in a miserable state of mind because of 'how men describe God', I can think on my own.

Whatever.

BossTtdiamonds:
That thin' that can't let you differentiate Abiogenesis from Biogenesis..

Are you OK? I've written extensively about those subjects here in the recent past. There was no question. I was asked if I subscribe to the models suggested by abiogenesis, to which I responded no.

Besides, only dummies would ask someone a question like what's the difference between biogenesis and abiogenesis.
That's like asking someone what the difference is between legal and illegal.

Several innocent people have lost their lives in this manner. SMH

malvisguy212:
how many of this gods have you encounter ? Cause i have had a personal relationship with God.on many occasion,whenever am in trouble in my dream, a lamb always saved me, not one,two or three time. Many times,jesus is the lamb, christianity will always have enemy.

The lamb saves you in your dreams which means that a virgin did give birth without human semen, and a man allowed himself to be killed only to resurrect himself three days later.

What am I missing?

mazaje:
Pls can you tell me the content of the post and when it was edited?. . .You are obviously foolish. Firstly, I made the post at that time because I wanted students to come over to Finland and school because universities were free for all students including international students and I made my post. I was actually a new bee so I posted all my personal details there. The post contained the school websites(my school then) and included my full names address in Finland,Phone number and how I could be contacted because I felt Nigerians needed the opportunity. Later I noticed that people who had no business with schooling but who just wanted to leave Nigeria were just calling me and disturbing my life, so I edited the post and removed all my contact details.I actually created two topics with that regards, here is the link to the other one. https://www.nairaland.com/44281/school-free-finland. (from the post you'll see that one of the guys thatresponded was actualy thanking me for the information I gave) Never asked any body for any money and never needed any. The rest of your rants are just laughable. We will meet in Nigeria and when we do, you'll see for yourself who mazaje is. . .

He's pretending to be an ignoramus. Don't mind am. We can all see who the liar is. The evidence is available in this very thread.

The man posted a video, and then denies that he posted it. Or something like that. If you ask me, he needs to slow down on the cheap whiskey.

BossTtdiamonds:
Really?.. Wow.. Even I never knew I was dyslexic...

Something must have given you the impression that I don't know what biogenesis is.

What was that thing?

gatiano:
it also depend on how, what and how frequent one eats.

My grandma ate pork. She died at 86 out of boredom. No walking stick, wheelchair, or nothing.

Pork doesn't kill, don't let anyone lie to you. Unless you decide to indulge yourself in it for some reason.

But then again, you can die if you drink too much water.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-drinking-too-much-water-can-kill/

ProudlyMuslimah:
Brother, where is it written in this verse that they would be force fed islam ?. The Quran says "there is no compulsion in the religion" Quran 2:256. It is strictly said if they seek, grant them. then the verse went further explaining what to do in this circumstance which is to protect them until they hear the word of Allah. NOTE: this may take years or may never even happen.

You're the one twisting words, pretending to be ignorant. If someone tells you to stay at his place so that he can have sex with you, what does it mean?

Does it mean you can stay and leave later without having sex?

gatiano:
GOD/ALLAH is no spook or spirit, He is much a Man like you and me. The Angels too are not some weird creatures as you have been taught in christianity or watered down islam, they don't have wings, or fly without a vehincle, They are Men too just like me and you.

Would GOD/ALLAH have wanted a people who are filled with pork worms and damaged livers? obviously not, He is the ever Loving Father, He wants us to be healthy as we can be, like a bull, and live a well, blizzful, longlife without the need of a walking stick.
and if you choose to want to voluntarily die, you are free, don't bring that attitude of drunkeness and worms filled spine and brains amongst the righteous because it is infectious.

when and where did Muhammad (saw), robbed people? you will have to show me that with a quote from the Quran.


a people that can't respect leadership, and obey and respect rules and regulation are bound to die. they will be lucky if they died physically alone, but they will die mentally too. why do you think the black people of this world are in the condition which they are now? lack of respect for leadership and rules. it is still evident in the everyday lives of the black people. GOD/ALLAH raised leaders, not just anybody.

Allah is man like me? Didn't know that. I learn something new everyday.

As far as eating pork, you're not making any sense. First of all, many centenarians eat pork.
Secondly, more people die from cigarettes than pork, and Muslims are some of the heaviest smokers I've met. Allah doesn't care about emphysema and lung carcinomas? Is that what you're telling me?

ProudlyMuslimah:
YES. The condition which is if he asks or seeks it. So ?

No. Asylum is granted so that the asylee is force fed Islam. Those who refuse to adopt Islam will NOT be granted asylum.

I guess they may be let go.

BossTtdiamonds:
My point exactly....

You too are dyslexic. Both of you cannot read.

Maamin:
A master's degree holder in biology have never heard of 'Biogenesis'?

Are you lying or something?

Where did I even make that implication? What made you say some stupid sh)it like that?

ProudlyMuslimah:
Verse 6 is no way in support of ur idea of Islam as a violent religion. U quoted verse 5 in other to support ur opinion on how Muslims are commanded by Allah to fight non Muslims. but verse 6 which u kindly jumped says "but if they seek protection, grant them protection". It is just like saying someone who disobeyed ur Lord, feed him, house him, let him continue disobeying ur Lord until he stops. Just because he sort ur protection. How much more merciful do u want Allah to be ? & how much more peaceful do u want Islam to be?.

My dear sister, here is what the Qur'an says again:


Q 9:5

"9:5-6 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge."

Here we see the Qur'an state very clearly that asylum is granted under ONE CONDITION.

Do you see now?

Maamin:
Wow..congratulations! But never understood the pre-eminence of life and all things

Yea, I've been studying biology for most of my adult life.

And FYI, there's nothing wrong with not knowing something. It could be that you don't have access to the information. Or that you don't understand it. Or the information may not even exist at all.

What's wrong is simply making up a co:ck and bull story to serve in the stead. That's wrong.

2prexios:
Your standard for the existence of God reveal your maniac. If you don't do all these even as atheist, you wont know them. If you do, how does it (situation ethics) prove or disapprove God's existence? Enjoy your atheism, it gives you all, relevance.

Nah, you're the mo)ron.

If your God is omnipotent, and omniscient, and you know for a fact that he's watching every single thing YOU do, why would you want to antagonize such a figure? It doesn't make sense.

When in Rome, behave like a Roman. If I knew such an entity to be real, I would NEVER tell a lie again. What's the purpose of telling lies or "sinning" when my as)s is on the line?

Given that scenario, that there exists an omniscient figure who monitors my daily activities and hates lies, what could be the benefit of telling a lie, ANY lie?

Id)iot. You don't know anything. That's why you sin and pray for forgiveness. If you really KNEW this retributive God existed, you wouldn't have committed ANY sin in the first place.

Maamin:
They think they are wise...infact an intelligent person wont disregard the existence of a creator(God). Only The laws of uncertainty is a big stumbling block for them

@BossTtdiamonds dont go that far jare! That dude does not understand biogenesis.

I have a master's in cell biology from Georgia State University. I also graduated from Clayton State University with an undergraduate degree in biology.

italo:
Dont go that far. This one is one of the less intelligent ones.

If you task his brain too much and he gets confused, he will start insulting God...thinking the insults will make God cease to exist.

He did it last week.

Jesus/God/Yahweh doesn't exist because you are a f)cking LIAR.

If God was real, and you KNEW, you wouldn't tell lies EVER. So fukk off!

Was it not you who lied here and told me that people hang themselves from their ankles to commit suicide? You and Jesus need some alone time. In a cheap motel room.

BossTtdiamonds:
Do you believe in abiogenesis...??
There goes your answer...

No.

ProudlyMuslimah:
I can see that u quoted Quran 9:5 but simply jumped Quran 9:6. Why is that ?
Probably because you are not truthful. Quran 9:6 says"But if one of the idolaters seek protection from you then grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah,then make him attain his place of safety. this is because they are a people who do not know.

No, I should have added verse 6, since it is helping to bolster my point, not yours.

Who is an idolater? Non Muslims, traditional Yoruba people. This passage basically says that Muslims are to help Muslims only, with the exception of non Muslims who are willing to HEAR the words of the Qur'an.

Keeping one's own religion is NEVER an option in the Quran. Convert, pay jizya (notice how the word sounds like jizz ya, as in, nut to the face), or die.

italo:
Do you have proof that the story of Jesus never happened and was copied from other false stories?.

Virgins don't give birth, dead people stay DEAD. There goes the entire STORY of Jesus.

I call that unequivocal proof. Show me a recent resurrection anywhere, or a pregnant virgin without a human baby daddy, and then you got me.