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It's hubris to pretend to know the mind of your god who has ALREADY told you that getting to heaven is not by works.

brandon180:
I av a friend.. strong atheist nothing u say can prove to dis gal that God exists... today while coming back from church she met me on d road...and after d usual mocking.... she told Me she could prove to me that God doesn't exist...told her to go on..
this is how d conversation went..
she:..wat u see n wat u hear or read which one do u believe..
me: wat I see
she: av u Eva seen God..
I already knew were she was heading...
me: no
.she: so hw can u believe in someone u ve not seen b4..
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wat will be ur reply if u were in my shoes.

Lol, but if you can HEAR him, then it means that he or someone with a male voice, is there. You don't have to SEE him. We have 5 senses.

promisechuks:
Please who was the enemy, and how did God fight him with blood?

Just waiting for your answer, I think it's a great way to start!

The enemy in the bible is called Satan and the bible deity used his own blood to fight him.

DoctorAlien:
At least it is clear that GOD's will is for us to be in good health and not sickness. Thus, the OP is addressed.

I'm not a Christian, but what makes you say that the bible god's will can be contravened? There is clearly sickness in the world as we speak?

DoctorAlien:
Don't generalise it. Everybody is not like you.

That does it then. You need no proof of the Creator's existence. You've made up your mind that He does not exist.

So, why bother yourself?

You don't know how to argue. It was you who predicted that an appearance by the bible creator will be greeted as a hallucination by me. And then you called Elijah a f.ool or a scam artist who employed an ambiguous miracle. What that means is that you don't believe that your bible creator can provide enough evidence to convince me, his supposed product. It's like you perceive some shortcomings in his abilities. How can a human dismiss his potential creator as hallucination? Are you okay?

DoctorAlien:
I never said so. Are you trying to make a strawman of my argument?

Elijah, by the power of GOD, called down fire from Heaven. Devil can call down fire from heaven too.

So the Baal worshippers worked for someone other than the devil? I don't get what you're saying.
Elijah picked a miracle that he knew the devil could have performed?

DoctorAlien:
The truth is that even if GOD came down and stood before you to tell you that He exists, you would dismiss that occurrence as mere hallucination.

But the choice is mine to make, not yours. What I do know, from experience, is that human beings are full of sh8t, from the emperors down to the governors. Human beings are motivated by self interest and things surrounding self interest, like safety of family members. We love money and crave womanliness.
Any message from a possible creator must come from it. I will listen to dogs speak before I entertain your message from the creator to me.

DoctorAlien:
Weah96,

Moreover, the devil can counterfeit all the miracles you may want me to do to prove to you that GOD exists. He even makes fire come down from Heaven, like Elijah did.(Rev. 13:13)

So, miracles are not a proof of the presence of GOD.

Excuses, excuses. So you're basically saying that Elijah may have collaborated with the devil because the origin of a miracle can NEVER be verified? How do we know the identity of the person who has been calling down fire since antiquity?

DoctorAlien:
"Beloved, I [size=18pt]wish[/size] above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." 3 Jn. 1:2

Personal wishes are different from real life. I wish that you could take your time and read the verse carefully. But we both know that's not going to happen.

DoctorAlien:
No. I'm a Bible-believing Christian.

Have you read about Elijah and the Baal worshippers? How do you reconcile that story with your own 21st Century refusal to provide material evidence in this our material realm?

lordnicklaus:
The whole expanse is governed by a set of laws, either physical, chemical or sub-physical. The known laws in science can not entirely quantify that which set the universe in motion. Quantum physics sets to explain the idea of virtual/sub-atomic particles arising from a vacuum unaided but can not verify the Big Bang theory which proposes the idea of a universe originating from the expansion of infinite singularity.
Certain mathematical precepts have been developed to explain the higher Mathematical law governing the entire cosmical pathway. Now, will all universal mathematical laws need a Mathematician or can each laws write and supplement themselves. The cosmos was caused by something quite incomprehensible and there are attempts to explain what it really is and that is where Theism comes in. I personally view this higher and absolutely infinite complex order as a being who sees to the driving laws of the multiverse but there are others who view this causative order as a quantifiable force and I have no problem with their views. This discussion should not be one of taunts and tantrums but should be well ordered and answers could be answered in other threads just as my brother johnydon22 does.

So, this thread is simply a recap of a similar one I started. The question is, from what piece of factual hypothesis do you draw your premise?

Note: I will only call people who are mature in discussions as this. I might forget to call you but if you see yourself as being grown up enough to discuss without resorting to insults of any ksort, kindly join the discussion.

Cc johnydon22 hopefulLandlord hahn JSoE weah96 Lennycool raphiemontella dorox shadeyinka donnffd et all.......

Something(s) or someone (people) precipitated the reaction which led to the formation of the universe. I believe that they were smaller prexisting particles which inhabit everything we see or know. These particles are intelligent in a way that sober/conscious humans can never understand.
I'm accepting suggestions. Where did the small particles come from? How tiny can a subatomic particle get? Is there an infinite regression in particle size ?

Those babies hit the ground running. There's no time to waste in this Recession.

ACKCITY:
I saw Satan’s factory of jewelries, when Jesus showed me. I saw Satan’s demons how they are producing these things; you don’t know where these gold come from, you say, it is marriage ring. You don’t know where these weavons comes from, the bracelets you call fashion, eyelashes; eyelashes are gotten from Satan’s armpit, the hair under Satan’s armpit is what they use to manufacture eyelashes.

When Jesus opens your eyes to see, the things we women buy and put on. Even, these clothes we are wearing; they are polluted, that’s why God says, “pray without ceasing”, pray on everything.

God showed me market women; market men, who are with Satan, they pollute the food we eat.



These hospitals, these doctors, these new doctors and nurses are agents of darkness.

Schools in Sierra Leone; God says 80% of the children in that school and teachers are children of darkness. They are polluted and also initiate their friends.

See more >>http://citofgod..com.ng/2016/09/how-satan-manufactures-jewelries-and.html

How long did the conversation with Jesus last? Weaves comes from China and India. Asian women remove their hair and sell it for money in order to feed their own children.

trapQ:
Dummy, try again.

He's been to South Korea twice, Australia, Singapore, South Africa and Botswana. He has sent "Harry" to U.S.A where he did a wonderful crusade. Even pastors who are not affiliated with him play his sermons and join him to pray in their churches in U.S.A and around the world and guess what, they along with their members have had wonderful testimonies.His sends his morning water to evangelists all over the world and many healings and miracles have been recorded too.

Get well soon.

He's also been to South America often, its like his favorite place to go and unwind. I plan on going to Peru myself, for the Ayahuasca.
Someone who is willing to stage even one miracle possesses the temperament to kill for money, or participate in psychedelic rituals.

shadeyinka:
Wear96, you are more intelligent than this. Let not argument for the sake of argument twist the arm of reason. No analogy is designed to be a perfect one to one match of actions, events and reaction else the analogy solves no problem...its just a representation not a match.

Do you understand the analogy ?

There is no human analogy that works for the bible god. That's all I'm saying. You must first preface your analogy by attaching the qualities of the god to the human. In your case, you forgot that the hypothetical professor MUST also be the designer of his own students. Only then can you present an honest photo of the scenario.
It's not a big deal. I'm a Virgo, so I always sweat the details and fine print.

charlyxx9:
what brought in this topic here?what you don't understand you criticize and where is the evidence?

Evidence for what? His use of Ayahuasca, or that Ayahuasca can only be found in a few south American countries like Colombia and Peru?

shadeyinka:
Its a perfect analogy my dear. The truth there haunts you

The designer is omniscient. Your hypothetical teacher is not a designer of his students.

shadeyinka:
Suppose as a lecturer, I have an amazing power of omniscience and because of that, I instinctively know with 100% accuracy students final exam scores.

Despite my omniscience, which of these two approach is OK for my final scoring and graduation requirements.
1. Should I award final certificate based on my omniscience?
2. Despite my omniscience, should I allow every student to do the examination?

The lecturer must also design the students in order for analogy to remain consistent.

plaetton:
Since God is a generic term, I have assisted you with a simple substitution.

Now, how does that look and sound to you?

Do you concur with the above statement credited to you ?
If not, kindly explain why not.
Thank you.

Nice.

olaade714:
Who have noticed, all this atheist testimonies were coverts to Christianity, not from Islam.. .. Christianity itself is a faulty religion before, that's why, the atheist could find cracks and lies in their religionn..
*but* Islam, hmmmn , u can't see stuffs like that.. .
U may say, that u made a research on faults in the quran... ,mheen, I went online also, but all the things I saw, I was actually laughing, at the flimsy excuse, Orientalist are giving to belie and find errors in the quran..
So, am waiting for an athiest who converted to Islam to share his unfortunate story

The ghost of Mohammed has confiscated your remaining neurons.

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached"

Islam people execute those who leave. Christians do not. Mohammed is the WORST role model in the history of earth.
#DonaldTrump

Tarry a little longer. You will soon hear these exact words spoken by the US president in public. Muslims have finally run out of luck.

sekundosekundo:
Answer yourself

No need for the hostility brother. It's not that serious.

WeNigerDelta:
Spirit plants? [s]This is not a science and cannot be replicated in labs.[/s] Can you mass produce shoot and bounce, then sell it like a pill, that will work for anyone that takes it, without baba incantations and whatever? Now that what I mean, by researching and harnessing.

Excellent question. As a matter of fact, there has been research on this before. DMT is already produced endogenously by YOUR own body when you sleep at night. All mammals produce this chemical but we humans cannot voluntarily sequester it for use.

Plants & DrugsDMT
The Future Of DMT Research With Dr. Rick Strassman
December 4, 2015 934


N,N-dimethlytryptamine, or DMT, is a psychedelic tryptamine that is structurally similar to serotonin. DMT occurs throughout nature in many plants, animals and the human body.

DMT is a powerful visual psychedelic which results in short-acting yet intense effects when smoked. However when used in combination with compounds that inhibit the bodies ability to break down the compound, such as in ayahausca, the effects can last much longer in duration.

DMT is currently a Schedule 1 substance within the United States.

In 1990 Dr. Rick Strassman initiated the first psychedelic drug research involving human volunteers to take place in the United States in over 20 years. During this research a total of 60 human volunteers received around 400 doses of DMT at the University of New Mexico’s School of Medicine in Albuquerque.Dr. Strassman published the results of these trials in his famed book DMT The Spirit Molecule which offers theories to the role of DMT in the human body as well as the extreme altered states of consciousness that the volunteers were launched into upon administration.
DMT: The Spirit Molecule
DMT: The Spirit Molecule
The book raised just as many questions as it found answers, antagonizing the philosophical and scientific arenas of human consciousness, perception and even dabbling in the realms of alien abduction and dark matter.

DMT is potentially one of the most intriguing and question-kindling psychedelic compounds in existence, catalyzing ripples of enthusiasm in religious, medical, psychological and psychonautical circles.

Nourysh spoke to Dr. Strassman about the future of DMT research, what direction it could possibly take and his own personal views on where this path could lead the individual as well as the collective.

https://www.sociedelic.com/the-future-of-dmt-research-with-dr-rick-strassman/

Read the rest of the interview. Do your own research. Come to Atlanta, I've got the plug on mushrooms.

sekundosekundo:
If your lecturer speaks to you, don't listen b'cos he ALREADY compiled handout for you.

Your lecturer is not invisible is he?

WeNigerDelta:
As much as I would like to believe all this, you're just speculating. There has not been enough scientific research into what the hell goes on in our traditional religious practices for anyone to give a definite answer.
And until we stop being scared of it, study it, harness the goodness of its mystery, science or powers. I don't believe Africans will ever be truly great.

Do your own research. It's not rocket science. I can tell you that they employ the use of entheogens, or spirit plants and fungi.

seguno2:
For malaria, it is about genetic configuration of each race.
Meanwhile, today we rely on the drugs that the oyinbos developed to treat the malaria since our mental laziness won't let us make them ourselves.

Malaria is a cup of tea, it can be cured by the sip of one cup of the right tea. But selfishness is keeping the recipe away from everyone. Africans performed Cesarean deliveries before pale people. We used strong liquor and special plants.

Selfishness also kept the knowledge of African entheogens away from everyone. African people do not like to share valuable things or ideas to non family members.

udatso:
Jesus (pubh) was to Savior to people of his time Only and Muhammad (pbuh) was a saviour to the people of his time andthose after him till the end of time

So Jesus was a Messiah for a few centuries ONLY, but Mohammed was the Messiah for an INDEFINITE period of time?

It's like Buhari successfully changing the Constitution to allow himself to rule forever, even after he's dead. The grandfather of the current president of North Korea is still the LEADER of the country. He's been dead since 1994. My brother, if you don't see the SCAM through the BIAS, then I don't know what to tell you.

Mohammed is a copy cat. He merely threw Jesus name into the mix to obtain LEGITIMACY for his cause. His lifestyle and behaviors towards other human beings cannot be adopted by any PEACEFUL person, as they were STRIKINGLY different from Jesus' life.

Do you have a small son? Can you tell him to emulate the life and behaviors of Mohammed without preparing your family for police interviews?

Explorers:
Nothing like ulterior motives....They kept her because she died for Christ, they preserved the bodies of those people/priests that lived this kind of extraordinary saint life centuries back.

There are many of them.

WHY? THE QUESTION IS WHY? Is it written in your scriptures that you should keep the dead dead bodies of saints on display for centuries? Do the dead bodies INSPIRE or MOTIVATE others to follow the scriptures?

udatso:
I hope you do realise Muslims believe in Jesus been the Christ (Messiah)

So who was Mohammed supposed to be since the Messiah Jesus had already completed the SAVING part of the job? Messiah Part 2?

This is what happens when a person doesn't invest revenue into his business. He should have followed TB Joshua to Peru where he can fortify himself by drinking Ayahuasca. Hahahaha.

branhampaul:
As Far He Heard Said California Gon Sink Then It Gon Happen..

Return now to that day when Brother Branham turned to Brother Billy Paul and said, “Billy, all I can say is that God has told me no different (about Sister Florence).”

After making this statement, he turned to his son and said, “Billy, where are you standing?”

“Downtown Los Angeles,” Billy Paul replied.

“Where are you standing?” queried the prophet.

“In front of the May Company, downtown Los Angeles,” replied Billy.

At this Brother Branham made a prophetic statement: “Billy,” he said, “I may not be here, but you won’t be an old man until sharks will swim right where we are standing.”

Billy Paul should be around 80 years old now. I would say that the prophecy has failed.

[quote author=sekundosekundo post=49641868][/quote]Stop telling people.

sekundosekundo:
I am a Christian, I hear the voice of my creator. But you Atheist said that it's a lie.

Hearing the voice of a Creator should be an EASY claim to prove. How come all you can manage to do is say this:

"I am a Christian, I hear the voice of my creator."

Why is the creator speaking to Christians when he ALREADY compiled the Bible?