₦airaland Forum

macaranta:
My brother...I don't know how you arrive at conclusions.I addressed the regions as relevant given the arguments on ground.If investors don't have interests in Calabar or Uyo,you can't force them to invest there.we still operate a capitalist economy last time i checked.
Secondly..how you concluded that I am from Ondo is a matter entirely for another day..p.s I once dated a damsel from ondo.
Thirdly,you say employ Niger Deltans,check in every major IOC if you won't find a fair representation of Niger Deltans there.Unless you want a 100% Niger Delta run IOCs then you will need to redefine the I in IOC.

It seems you ignored a very important post I made....Oil installations by IOC in Texas, Cali, Alaska, majority of the people working there are Texans, Californians and Alaskans, top to bottom not just contract staffs....Its only when there is a shortage of labor or skills that they outsource or romance people from other region to move over there.....The I in IOC still remains...You guys dont even move down south or pay taxes in our states....You employ the residents and indigenes of a place first in every sector, it's why there is a concentration of certain skills in a particular place and those kind of companies folk there....Oil companies flock to Texas, Alaska, ND etc, because it's where the workers and resources are.....Financial companies mostly set up in NY and Chicago because it's what the resident and indigenes do, Tech San Fran etc....We have oil and oil companies set up shops in Lagos, only in naija....

How can you force companies to move to places when the resources is controlled by the center...Chevron head office is in Texas, they can't even think about moving it...If states and communities put conditions of relocation before drilling, you'll see how fast they will move to Uyo and other places where they drill....

LRNZH:
Eritrea, Somaliland are a couple of examples besides South Sudan.

Maybe I'm nuts or can't research properly....But everything I'm reading is showing Eritea Independence Day as May 1991 and Somali is July 1960 pre Nigeria.....Kindly correct me if I am wrong here, otherwise they are both past 20years...

LRNZH:
Kindly point us to an African state that seceded and is doing well. Comparing us to non African countries is apples to oranges comparison.

How many countries have seceded in Africa within the law 15 or so years...So there is not enough data in Africa to use as case studies...Thats why it's easy for you guys fear mong and point us to South Sudan....Who else have gained independence in Africa since?

LordAdam:
@LRNZH, if you are not from the Niger Delta, you are telling our story exactly how the whites would tell the story about Africa.

Like Adichie right said on TED Talk, Africans have to tell the African story. In similar vein, Niger Deltans have to tell the Niger Deltan story.

Don't feign knowledge of all issues when you have not held crude oil on your bare hands when you try to fetch water. Simply because you can read papers.

The Nigerian state historically is a repressive brute. FACT.

Adara fought an armed struggle, he got amnesty at the end.

Ken Saro Wiwa did a peaceful struggle, he paid with his life.

The 13% derivation was agreed in 1995.

It was implemented in 2000.

This was after the 1998/1999 peaceful later turned armed struggle led by the Ijaw Youth Council in Bayelsa and Delta.

When it started peacefully, the tanks were called in. Tens of thousands of troops were deployed. Hundreds were killed during peaceful protests.

It was after violence erupted that culminating with the Odi Massacre in 1999, that we started getting something back in 2000.

13% derivation was initiated in 2000. NDDC was created in 2000.

It was only after the armed struggle that started in 2004, that training of youths and Niger Delta Ministry was created in 2008.

In fact, the courts have said the Nigerian Army/FG should pay circa N20b as compensation to the Odi community for the massacre. That money has not been paid till date.

The moral of these historic facts is that Nigeria has historically suppressed peaceful agitations in Niger Delta but react to armed struggle in the Niger Delta.

Take last year for example.

When Buhari came in, he immediately cancelled pipeline surveillance contracts against background uproar from the region. Then he said he would begin to wind down the Amnesty program in 2018.

All peaceful routes to get him to change his mind achieved nothing.

All of a sudden, NDA starts bombing, and his mind changed.

In a recent meeting between the FG represented by Minister of Niger Delta and ex-militants, pipeline surveillance contracts will resume. Buhari now has repeatedly said he would not cancel Amnesty.

Can you see the trend?

As I said, good as your intentions are, if you are not a Niger Deltan you can never see things as we see them. Your opinion can never replace ours.

In 55 years, hundreds of trillion of Naira have been gotten from the sales of oil in the Niger Delta and politicians and elites gained with little to how for it. But Niger Deltan leaders use N8.1t with nothing gained in less than a decade and all of a sudden, you guys are now champions of accountability.

I am not saying it is right.

However, when the government only allow armed struggles lead to resolutions, those at the forefront are bound to take the largesse of what comes out. It is natural.

Niger Deltans cannot start bickering over wastage when we are being raped by the entity called Nigeria. A time will come when we would hold our leaders responsible for the wastage. However, for now, we cannot afford to fight internal squabbles when we need all hands on deck to conquer our far more aggressive neo-colonialists with more resources at their disposal.

The enemy of your enemy is your friend!

That is why the issues of accountability are currently downplayed in the Niger Delta. We are far more structured in our handling of issues.

You would know that if you have studied our struggle for years rather than do a two day research and come up with a biased piece of less than 5000 words.

The Niger Delta has a diverse ethnicity. Yet we put our differences aside and fight for our right. 80% of Niger Delta resources is in 20% of Niger Delta Lands, yet we do not do major inter-squabbling about who gets what.

When the Nigerian state begins to be civil, we in the Niger Delta will adopt peaceful resolutions. Until then, we have identified the nerve of Nigeria. Bomb oil pipelines and you would draw the attention of the Nigerian state and get juicy contracts and funds. Do peaceful protests like IPOB and you will be killed ruthlessly.

I hope you know that Buhari is visiting the Niger Delta this week, as a sign of good faith. To commission the start of Ogoni land cleanup.

Those who oppose war must be reasonable enough to value peace.

The Nigerian state does not value peace.

-Lord

My Lord....That lordship nor be luggage, if Na so your own be over bamness wanna kill you...

kayfra:
Infantile talk. Like the owners of the oil hasn't been rubbing it in Warri's indegenes faces for the past half century? Extending a helping hand to locals is corporate social responsibility and nothing more. Warri indigenes are not blind or ignorant of the owners. They see them everyday flying over their heads in helicopters.

I will leave you with this...We know all those that have STOLEN our oil and wealth for half a century duhhhh.... What do you think this fight is about?
The biggest mistake Nigeria ever made was educating a lot of us outside the country...Never ever show educate those you oppress and show them what they should have, cause once you do they never ever stop fighting....
Keep ranting on NL and watch us shut your economy and everything down with it....Fly in your choppers and come meet us in the creeks, I would really love if your someone that can back up your big mouth....
This is our fight, we're not slaves, we're not conquered people....We are Deltans, watch and see.... If your govt like pay of NDA or kill them, as long as there is a child breathing in creeks he will rise one day fight you until his last drop....You've hanged Wiwa and thought it would end there, you paid off Tompolo, Ayiri and others, how much time of peace did that give you guys?
Just watch, weep and feel the burn!!!!!

macaranta:
Dude,I'm more Niger Delta than you,take it or leave it.It is almost close to impossible for IOC's to employ just Niger Deltans both qualified and unqualified.Shell holds srd every year,encourage your educated wards to apply and go through the process as every other person.I'm using shell as a yardstick because their recruitment process is fair.
During my internship days in a gas company probably the largest in Nigeria,one o our scaffolders was drunk on site,in our gas train,setting up scaffold for the maintenance team...he is Niger Delta FYI from the host community. He was almost fired,except for my intervention(not saying this to boast or showoff) ,but imagine the disaster that could have occured because he was probably given this job due to favoritism /ethnicity .If Niger deltans are qualified,they should apply for jobs like every other Nigerian.Essential roles can't just be "dashed" to the host community..not possible bro.
Yes a lot more could be done for the Delta,but standards shouldn't be brought laughably low because we want to please the Niger Delta people.

Just stop it already....First it was no investors will invest when bullets are flying, I pointed and Calabar out you moved goal post...Then to we are lazy or not qualified enough...Isn't it always nuts how you guys always know an incompetent naija deltan from host communities....There are incompetent people everywhere, there are also a lot of very educated smart competent Niger deltans that are roaming the street....I know you'll never agree tribalism and favoritism is involved since your people are mention, and please hang that Ondo is ND crap y'all like to say...Who is in charge of the recruitment processes? What about administrative jobs in Lagos? We are incompetent there too right or na your people full there....What about people that worked at IOCs for more years and get past up for promotions but their Yoruba brothers will get promoted over them? All the top posts at IOCs, so no competent Niger Deltan that has worked in the IOCs for over 15years deserve them or they all fail their courses and training terribly..,

Why in the world is he saying this like it is a good thing and we should all be okay with this...
Why should a religious law cover criminals proceedings? Are our penal/criminal codes no longer enough? Why should these laws be interepreted on the basis of ones religious believes instead of the law?
Maybe it's just me that this is not making any sense to. We already have laws that take care of criminal proceedings nationwide, there is no need to expand the scope of a weird religious whatever to include that...

As expected the cowards in uniform have only one play harass the citizens of the Niger Delta....
How about they try to do their job for once....Same soldiers that were given heads up and warning before attacks by NDA but are so shitty at their job that can't even protect the oil installations...
To my brothers in Oporoza and environs, you know the drill by now....Take refuge in Omadino and environs...Even though we quarrel you know we got you like the last time they invaded Gbaramatu...
We are stronger together, they can never intimidate us....We will never stop fighting...

YonkijiSappo:
Guy gerrout of here.
We all know you are not itsekiri..... lol. Itsekiri alone with a dominant Ijaw in an independent republic will probably spell their doom. The ijaws will take over all of their lands from Omadino to Ugborodo to Ogidigben and Escravos to Jakpa, Okerenkoko, Ureju and Koko to Warri itself.
So, in a referendum of choice, the wise people of Iwerreland which I know they are, know where to join to secure their very existence.

Keep dreaming and hoping that our previous fights with our neighbors will help you claim resources that are not yours....We have lived and fought each other for generations and your fear mongering won't do shit....How much did you help us during the last crises?
If you like name from Deghele to Ifiekporo join, it doesn't change the fact the Iwere people will never follow y'all....We can see clearly your domination in the IOCs, so we know what awaits us if we dare make that mistake...
The best you can hope for is an independent Itsekhiri state, with free trade ties with y'all or worst worst Monaco/France situation....Anything less a big no no, we must control our resources 100%...

hundredhunndred:
Yoruba nations cant claim anyone, we are big and cant claim itshekiri. You can never see a Yoruba person attack Itshekiri people online or offline, my beautiful ex Wande, other name Boma is Itshekiri and you will mistake her for Yoruba. We respect them and thats it.

I wholeheartedly appreciate it...I respect every individual tribe, I went to school in Ibadan for a little bit, my brother schooled in Oyo town....
All I want is for folks to respect the fact that we are a proud arrogant, independent people and not a sub group of any tribe...We are proud of our history and culture, we were an independent state pre colonial Nigeria and not tied to any kingdom....

hundredhunndred:
Then stay on your lane and stop looking for trouble. Face your elites and stop blaming others. Simple

I was until someone said Yoruba will claim Escravos to Ode Itsekhiri....If I see things like that I will fall out from my lane....

hundredhunndred:
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Trash from a kid. You can only bark online with your chinko phone, no one even take you serious. I have no time to waste of a liar and bigot, go to Ilaje LG and go tell them there oil is yours instead of beating your dry chest on nairaland. Soon you will tell us the one in Lagos belongs to the Ijaw. Mschew

Yep...Chinko phone....I'm not ijaw and never will claim it...All I care about is Itsekhiri get that...

hundredhunndred:
So one poster now means the whole Yoruba? Is he speaking for the whole Yoruba? Stop your lies of Ondo oil belonging to you, its stale. Ilajes are not from Delta, Ondo oil is Ondo oil, enough of your lies. How are we even sure you are Itsekiri cos the only thing you do on nairaland is to insult others.

Saying the truth is insults right? How about you address Yoruba folks that constantly makes statements of how they are better and more educated than Niger Delta youths...And maybe I will stop taking them to the cleaners...
All I have done and will do is stick up for the Itsekhiris and Niger Deltans and I don't care how that makes you feel....Yeah keep lying to yourself that no Itsekihiri oil wells was stolen, we are already in court so we shall see...

hundredhunndred:
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Stop convulsing, No sane Yoruba will claim Itshekiri, Yoruba is a big nation and cant claim anyone. No need throwing insult around, Thanks.

So Escravos to Ode Itsekhiri that the poster I quoted talked about is Yoruba land? I replied to someone that talked about that being part of a larger odua state....

Jowonloju:
Juvenile thinking. The world we live now is no longer about Crude oil, but human capacity, and trust me Niger Delta Youths are lazy and divided, how i wish the Hausa allow you go, so that we the Yoruba can have a real democracy, not the type we have now with APC unchallenged in the West.
The East and the West are the region that can survive anyway.

Another we are better and more sophisticated than them....Yeah continue to believe your insane stereotypes when only one or two Yoruba states top Delta in education stats.....
You educated ones went to some different schools than they ones Niger Deltans go to in Nigeria right? Or those abroad are all back of their class too....Ungrateful deluded one, we will never be better unless we stay in Nigeria and you control our resources, that's only wen the oil is suddenly still useful and we will achieve our full potential...
Let us use our inconsequential oil to educate our younger ones, since we are termed lazy...Let us go...

mandarin:
Three things because of time:

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I also think the Yoruba can claim as far as Ode Itsekiri and Escravos which will give them sufficient energy resources and harness its existing infrastructures for its growth. Among d lines of division in Nigeria, the Yoruba has the best chance of survival as a country.

Please in the name of God and everything that is sane....Remove this from your pipe dream, we are not Yorubas, never have never will be...
There was a reason we went with Midwest region, and Delta state....We don't want to to be with you guys...We are our own people....Let us be!!!
P.S We haven't forgotten our oil wells your son seceded to Ondo...And how y'all steal our jobs with tribalism in IOCs.....Hell no, we want zero part of that....
Ugborodo and Itsekhiri lands/ resources belongs to us....It will never ever ever be Yorubas...

tuale4u:
I am in support of BIAFRA 100% as long as no Single South South land is on their Map.

South South people have one thing in common. we are all minority. that makes us one. we don't want any majority among us.

I just believe now we should focus our energy on building allies with those that share our vision of disintegration instead of making snide remarks towards them...
We know what's the core of the SS and they know and respect that as well...The only contentions are the Igbotic SS...Please let those folks decide their future/destiny and who they want to be with....If the decide to join Biafra all good, if they wanna stick with Niger Delta we've always been welcoming...
We don't have they right to decide any bodies future...The same way no one as the right to tell Itsekhiris we are Yoruba....
Just my 2 cents though...

loopman:
So you've people have truly found a way to sneak your Biafran agenda to the madness of the NDA.?

Let me remind you that Seun though allows ALL discussions that are legal, but definitely not the type that would put his site into trouble with the authorities.
For your information, this is still much in place. https://www.nairaland.com/2792995/nairaland-says-no-biafra

I'm a full blooded Itsekhiri man, no other blood runs through my veins....All I care about is the Itsekhiri people and the people of the Niger Delta....
Unless Nigeria is restructed away from the feeding bottle system....Either on NL or in the creeks we will champion for an independent Niger Delta..

tuale4u:
The current activity of Niger Delta Avengers have clearly proven that the North or West don't care if South east leave Nigeria. All the one Nigeria supporters cares about is South South oil.

Also BIAFRA agitators don't want BIAFRA without South South oil. Give them South East alone Biafra, they will prefer to remain in Nigeria than form a country that is south east alone.

Nigeria govt was never shakened or moved with all the massive protest for Biafra in the south east. Nigeria Economy was not moved or shaken with all the protest in Aba, Onitcha etc in South east. This clearly shows south east are not very important economically in Nigeria. They are mostly into distribution of goods and not creation of wealth. Importation of foreign goods and goods distribution does little to income of the federation. They rather deplete the reserve than add to the reserve of the country.

But a small group in Niger delta who have not even enjoyed large support from Niger Delta

North West and North East form Islamic Republic
North Central form Middle Niger Republic
South East Form Biafra
South West form Odua Republic
South South form Niger delta Republic.

This is the best solution to this country with 5 parasite feeding on one 1 prey.

It is unfair and evil.

Lol....Brosss, why I think that most of what you've said is true. I believe you're being very unfair to the folks East of us...
So far on NL since the new agitation started, they have championed for an Independent Niger Delta and an Independent Biafra.
All they seem to care about is this hell hole breaking up and will support anybody championing the cause at we inadvertently lead to their own break up... Also it would be nice if we do eventually go our separate ways to have that strong trade and military partner in the West Africa region, that we know will always have each other's back...
Folks from the other regions though are always screaming "one nigeria" all so they can remain parasitic...

loopman:
Nairaland or Seun does not support the dismemberment of Nigeria, such idea is not POPULAR.

Seun didn't build a site and say we should come discuss about what Seun likes..
He built a site for Nigerians to discuss about what is happening in Nigeria and right now the talk about disintegration of the country is what is happening...And we are talking about it...Seun is not responsible for what we say either...

Also if you're gonna censor what people say on here as it relates to their people who at this moment are still Nigerians...
Kindly do away with the disclaimer that says I am responsible for what I post on nairaland....
If you're not responsible for what am saying why do you need to censor it? Just so you feel good about unifying Nigeria? When next NDA freedom fighters blow up a pipeline,you'll ban us from talking about the cause and what we as a people have decided as a way forward? Or we must only speak in line of unifying Nigeria?

Mynd44:
@OP, thanks for your concerns.

The issues you raised is already being handled and posters who both promote violence or any criminal acts are banned in accordance to rules 3 and 9
"3. Don't threaten, support or DEFEND violent acts against any person, tribe, race, animals, or group (e.g. rape).


9. Don't use Nairaland for illegal acts, e.g scams, plagiarism, hacking, gay meetings, incitement, promoting Biafra. "

As for those who promote secession, that is a clear violation or rule 9 and using alternate handles violation of rule 19 and actions. Are taking against such handles.

But you can also help by using the report feature anytime you see any rule being broken.

Thanks

Secession and Biafra don't mean the same thing the last time I picked up a dictionary...
You guys just make things up as you go...You can't censor the Internet...
Now kindly ban me as you have already done...

seunmsg:
I agree completely with the OP, some unscrupulous elements have littered the politics section with break up threads. Nairaland should be used to promote the unity of Nigeria and not her division.

What is with you people and promoting lies....Either nairaland decides to dedicate every thread to Nigerian unity it won't change the fact that we are not united...
A country built on the injustice of the Niger Delta people can never and will never be unified either you like it or not....
The person above saying Facebook will bring down any post promoting the break up of the US knows nothing about Facebook...You can search for those that agitate that Texas should break away from the Union...They are still running their FB page....
Either this site decides to promote freedom of speech or trample upon it under some age old lie of Nigeria unity is totally up to the owner...Do know that's no so much different from the social media bill everyone loves to hate....You can't censor the internet....