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fx45:
quote author=Whynotthetruth post=34782455]

Outside Lagos, probably his other submission on that may hold some water...
Lagos is included! 60% of that megalopolis is slum. There is a very poor drainage system and the roads are bad too with no functional streetlighting. There's very poor physical and infrastructural planning.

Just two hours of continuous rainfall exposes Lagos to mind-boggling flooding. The streets are dirty and the environment emits a very pungent and sickly stench. Take a trip to Oshodi, Ojota, Mile12, Mushin, Bariga...... The list is endless. Majority of the people live in squalor and in an unhealthy/unfriendly environment.

There are parts of Lagos not prone to such as you stated above...

Anyway, this is not the aim of this piece...such is prone to sentiments...so let's skip and move on...good morning boss...

SarahBabyxx:
Spot on!! I stopped going back and forth with him when I realised this an igbo vs yoruba /Apc vs PDP thread

It is not my problem what meaning you read into my post bearing in mind your prejudice... but also as you congratulate him for spewing lies about voting patterns, enjoy the piece below it shows voting pattern since independence; good morning babe...You may wish to bring up such document to counter me about other regions especially SE...am waiting


The South-West zone has 14,296,163 registered voters, which represents 19.44% of the total number of voters nationwide. In terms of national electoral strength, the
zone is number 2. Taking into account the electoral behaviour of the South-West since independence, the zone has proven itself, without exception, of incapable of
voting anyone other than its own. In the 1st Republic, it voted mainly Action Group in favour of Chief Obafemi Awolowo with about 69% voters’ turnout. In the 2nd Republic, it voted 78.75% of its total votes cast for UPN in favour of Chief Awolowo, with 70% voters’ turnout. In the June 12, 1993 presidential election, the pattern was repeated more or less the same, except that the total percentage of SDP’s votes in favour of Chief MKO
Abiola rose up to 84.5% in the zone. In the 1999 presidential election, mainly because the only two candidates for the presidency were both from the South-West, the zone’s voters’ turnout was abysmally low (48.09%) with about 68% of the votes cast to APP in
favour of Chief Olu Falaye. 2003 also recorded poor voters’ turnout with 71% of votes cast for Obasanjo’s PDP. In 2011, with no Southwestern candidate fielded by any of the major parties, the South-West voted PDP when a functional alliance with the CPC failed to field in Sen. Tinubu or his nominee. Besides, with the vicious experience of AD in 2003 when the PDP Federal Government uprooted its governments in five states of the zone, the South-West cannot now afford to risk having an opposition PDP government at the federal level again; certainly not after the hard pains and toils of forming the APC. It is therefore existential for the South-West to vote APC at the presidential election.

http://dailytrust.com.ng/daily/politics/50349-2015-presidential-election-how-and-
why-pdp-will-lose

AhmedMustapha:
I'm also tired of the inconclusive argument just try to be objective when next you post. Hasta la vista

Hope you read the link so that you don't go around spewing trash all over people?...

AhmedMustapha:
You can keep deceiving yourself-this is an excerpt from your hypocritical piece
" Ebonyi state is still healthy economically, why should Osun state be dead already? If Enugu is still forging ahead strong economically, why should Oyo state be bleeding?"
And this has been trashed severally here, you now shift the goal post to economically viable states to suit your stinking hypocrisy. I've said it, when you're done advising the man in Abia,Enugu and Ebonyi then you can do same to others. You posted Imo as a backward South East state because it's APC when it is even the most economically viable state in the SE. Keep deceiving yourself again I say

1)Just confirmed you're dumb...I was waiting for you to show me where it is stated that those SE are not owing as you blindly accused me of...

2)Plz what is the difference between using these different terms; Economically viable...economically strong...forging strong ahead economically......Are they not same?...Or is your use of English faulty too?...so how did I change or move the goal post?...

3)How did you prove those states not viable?...Did you hear anybody sending or asking for relief in Ebonyi or Enugu state?...Did you hear of anybody collapsing and dying?...smh...

4)What single industry did Rochas introduce in Imo state to make it most viable to overtake any other SE state...What new investor came into Imo state?...Imo an oil producing state owes 13months and was stopped from further borrowing by CBN...while their neighbor;Anambra whose allocation is far less than imo has more projects and performing better in all economic indices than them with no single kobo...

5)I deal on realities not beating around shadows like you...and I have given you enough attention arguing over inanities....I drop it here all till I see any constructive post not empty and sheepish rhetorics....

AhmedMustapha:
What recent info? You mean propaganda? I've told you only fellow hypocrites will believe even a sentence of your post. My request is simple as at 2007, Only Imo made the list of top 10 economically buoyant states. If you have that of 2015, kindly post it here.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_GDP

Would you mind telling me why and how my link is propaganda and yours better?...

Check out all indices of economic development aptly analyzed below...present such info to counter me bro...

https://www.nairaland.com/2263635/south-east-south-west-south-south-lead-
attainment

Just being curious... what's your state?...

PassingShot:
When I have ample time, I will analyse what GEJ earned, what he met as debt, what he added to our debt and what he squandered.

I have always been very fair in my views to issues and on many occasions I have proved it to you with past posts of mine. I wish you were as half principled, truthful and not fanatical.
Got no time for further talk now.

Don't make me take you down that lane of unmasking you again... waiting for your analysis; which has even been in public since...I wonder what new you wanna tell us?...

AhmedMustapha:
What recent info? You mean propaganda? I've told you only fellow hypocrites will believe even a sentence of your post. My request is simple as at 2007, Only Imo made the list of top 10 economically buoyant states. If you have that of 2015, kindly post it here.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_GDP

Don't you think it is high time you kept quiet?...
...Nawa for people...

https://www.nairaland.com/2263635/south-east-south-west-south-south-lead-
attainment

AhmedMustapha:
You know nothing about these states! You said Enugu and Ebonyi weren't owing, that was trashed here with facts, now you run around claiming Enugu and Ebonyi are more viable than Oyo and Osun yet you still do it without facts but you claim APC uses propaganda. My stand on this is simple, if you can't denounce the incompetent governments of the SE then you have no right to give your political and unsolicited advice to others. I posted on this thread that as at 2007 only one SE state made the list of top 10 economically buoyant Nigerian states, I expected a rebuttal and a 2015 report showing the position of the 5 SE states, none provided yet you speak of viability and your supposed claims of ingenuity of the administrators of these states. I don't know if Martin Elechi and Theodore Orji pass as ingenious to you, if they do then I'm sorry to say you have a bigger problem than the governments you intended demystifying with this thread.
You need to deal with that and save your ponderous attempts at wit for some other day

1)It is either you're dump hence lack ability to read and understand... otherwise show me from original post till now where it is ever stated here that any SE except Anambra is NOT owing anybody?...

2)What's the content of the link I gave you if those are not facts...what again is fact to you?...

3)You're really dumb...so the link I gave did not show you that all the SE states are leading in all indices of economic development before any other region in Nigeria...and it is just the most recent study....smh...

4)I would not engage you any further if this show of ineptitude and crass ignorance even when being spoonfed with facts from verifiable sources are staring you in the face....Open those links I sent to you and see the contents boy....Stop all these empty rhetorics...

0lumide:
Another SW ppl are blind crap!!

You would have made perfect sense if you were referring to Nigerians as a whole and you would have made some sense more than now if you were referring to SS/SE.

No Region is dumber than these two regions in Nigeria. No region is more ethnically biased than SE in Nigeria and no region has been cheated than SS in Nigeria! SE has no struggle with any region. Their problem in the east is simple; one way traffic minds!! Follow follow and ethnic politics!! Take that out of SE and see them shoot high! Tell SS to prosecute their leaders!! Kill them all! There are two federal ministries handling ND alone plus 13% derivation yet they live in poverty lmao!! And their leaders make sure they point to Abuja and Notyherners as their problem!!

Did you know that oil bunkering also reduce the revenue and as that, your 13% worth reduced too? Did you know Ateke, Asari, Tompolo, Odili and many of your Chiefs are into oil bunkering? Did they use their I'll gotten wealth to help you?

ND shove your eyes!!! You are the most cheated region in Nigeria!!

Now op, gan solve the problems in the east and SS first. Blind foooools pretending to be intellectuals. The northern youths are feared by their leaders. They know they can be lynched anytime they provoke them.

The SW is just blinded by "sophistication" ! Sophistication is not practical among animals.. that hates you from east to North to south.. Especially the east!! The fucking hatred Igbos have displayed for Yorubas in Nigeria is appalling considering after SE, the next place in the world to find Igbos in millions is Yoruba land. You want to marry their women, trouble! You don't vote for their preferred candidate, trouble!! As much as Igbos on this forum like to preach the "Igbos believe in individual freedom blah blah" the last election exposed their falsehood!
Yorubas just need to wake up! There were Yotubas in PDP too and PDP ruined Nigeria till now!
Leadership is not party orientation but no quality leadership can come from PDP they party doesn't envourage that. APC on the other hand instead of being very strict, left the floor open knowing fully well the ppl are not fully enlightened enough to pick a good leader, allowed for the mixture of bad quality and good quality. Atiku have no business in APC if Buhari is serious about power! Atiku who owns a generator manufacturing company..

It is unfortunate that the only thing you saw here is tribal bashing...Anyway, let me oblige you the facts about voting pattern in Nigeria about SW since independence...I also challenge you to present that of SE/SS to prove me wrong...


The South-West zone has 14,296,163 registered voters, which represents 19.44% of the total number of voters nationwide. In terms of national electoral strength, the
zone is number 2. Taking into account the electoral behaviour of the South-West since independence, the zone has proven itself, without exception, of incapable of
voting anyone other than its own. In the 1st Republic, it voted mainly Action Group in favour of Chief Obafemi Awolowo with about 69% voters’ turnout. In the 2nd Republic, it voted 78.75% of its total votes cast for UPN in favour of Chief Awolowo, with 70% voters’ turnout. In the June 12, 1993 presidential election, the pattern was repeated more or less the same, except that the total percentage of SDP’s votes in favour of Chief MKO
Abiola rose up to 84.5% in the zone. In the 1999 presidential election, mainly because the only two candidates for the presidency were both from the South-West, the zone’s voters’ turnout was abysmally low (48.09%) with about 68% of the votes cast to APP in
favour of Chief Olu Falaye. 2003 also recorded poor voters’ turnout with 71% of votes cast for Obasanjo’s PDP. In 2011, with no Southwestern candidate fielded by any of the major parties, the South-West voted PDP when a functional alliance with the CPC failed to field in Sen. Tinubu or his nominee. Besides, with the vicious experience of AD in 2003 when the PDP Federal Government uprooted its governments in five states of the zone, the South-West cannot now afford to risk having an opposition PDP government at the federal level again; certainly not after the hard pains and toils of forming the APC. It is therefore existential for the South-West to vote APC at the presidential election.

http://dailytrust.com.ng/daily/politics/50349-2015-presidential-election-how-and-
why-pdp-will-lose

AhmedMustapha:
And I should applaud you because you wrote this with your patriotic lens? The post from top to bottom drips with your hypocrisy and I'm sure you're vexed that I played into your hypocritical game and beat you at it

see victory dance Self delusion is real

AhmedMustapha:
You are funny though- you never read where I asked to be provided with recent info on the economic buoyancy of states only to give a reply stating the same thing I said. I knew things had changed that's why I wanted recent info

And when you were given recent info...it never changed your partisan outlook because it is not anything patriotism or growth of the system but myopic gains of partisan inclinations....

jstbeinhonest:
Lol,dnt tel me u agree wit im dat umaiha is more developed dan a sw state capitals

Outside Lagos, probably his other submission on that may hold some water...

SarahBabyxx ...sentiments are somewhat part of politics but don't make it your determinant factor...

it is easier to support your ethnic group but do it with wisdom...

it is fun to shift blames to others for failures...but no problem can conquer you unless from inside...all failures and problems of masses are by their own people and then by external forces as secondary...

thanks and goodnight...

fx45:
Your statement above caught my attention. Please I need you to explain with details in what ways Abia state is in ruins.
1). What is Abia state debt profile(Internal and External) as compared to any state in the South-West.
2). Collapse of infrastructure(roads and drainages) in Aba doesn't translate to the entire state and doesn't imply economic collapse. Umuahia is infrastructurally better developed than any South-West state capital.... And that is a fact!
3). Abia state is owing salaries in batch... Just some parastatals (not the entire workforce).
4). There's very minimal external borrowing(if any). The future of our children have not been mortgaged to debts that cannot be repaid even in the next 30 years.

My friend, I want you to objectively explain how you came to the conclusion that Abia state is in ruins. I'm not here for any tribal bashing... Just facts and figures please

thanks bro...most of them equate Aba to Abia without distinguishing that one is a subset of the other...

adconline:
Immoral of the story: it's ok to owe state workers so long as your tribe can defend you.. It's also ok to borrow money and squander! Naija is irredeemable!! Do children of owed workers read our comments? How has this country raised a generation of heartless And insensitive people??

As a boy back then with parents as civil servants, I can imagine how we felt then and what these guys would be undergoing now...Unfortunately, we defend the people stealing or mismanaging these funds and invent excuses on their behalf while shifting blames to others far away....God save Nigeria...

aresa:
Keep quiet and stop ranting. The thread itself is ethnic and tribal so sit calm your ass.ss down..

Worthless engaging one who sees all through ethnic lens...

Enahi:
Nice write up@ Op but i don't think your write up should focus on South West States alone.
The truth is we don't have leaders that have an idea about what Government is about. Nigerians really need to wake up and stop been tribalistic.

Nigerians need to fight against Godfatherism,tribalism,corruption and selfish interest.
I don't know why people like Tinubu with shady past should be the one to dictate what goes on in South West.

Nigerian Politics Stinks.

thanks ...unfortunately they all chose to see my article through an ethnic lens...Most unfortunate but true situation in Nigeria today is that truth and facts are viewed using three prong criteria of; (1)Religion... (2)Tribe...(3)Party....I wonder if Nigeria will survive it...

aresa:
You obviously don't read over what you post. You not only dabbled into infrastructure in your original post, it was part of your argument and what you based your flawed assertions so why go elsewhere or start a new thread to debate that?

Quit being crookedly deceptive and disingenuous.

Nawa...how did the short statement you quoted analyze infrastructure on ground vis a vis debts burden of respective states...smh

AhmedMustapha:
I was equally shocked when I read that part. A little research doesn't kill

Sometimes, it is good you marry your bed when u don't understand a thing...

Does the fact that those SE states are owing make them any less viable based on the ingenuity of their leaders as compared to their less fortunate brothers elsewhere...

Ebonyi is owing but is viable compared to Osun...Enugu is owing but more stable compared to Oyo...These are states I know both on paper and in reality...

Did you even care to read the vanguard link you provided?...hehehehe...nawa

SarahBabyxx:
''If Enugu is still forging ahead strong economically,
why should Oyo state be bleeding?''

^^this is what you said....you also forgot to add that Enugu is one of the most indebted states in SE....infact it is one of the most indebted states as a whole

www.vanguardngr.com/2015/04/huge-debts-await-buhari-in-coming-govs/

I wonder how a state 'forging ahead strong economically' is neck-deep in debt


Still need me to tell you why I think you're biased??

Just like my article said lots of smart by half individuals all over...

I didn't wanna deviate from my topic before now...but let me take you on your own link...

According to your own source now;

1)Most indebted region is SW...

2)Least indebted region is SE...

3)SW states like Ogun, Oyo, Osun debts are greater or by far more than what Enugu is owing...

4)ALL states in SW are owing....

5)Abia state refused to raise bonds because they don't wanna mortgage their future through bonds...

So babe, how am I biased here...don't join the bandwagon plzzzzzz...your problem is within and not where your leaders are pointing....

Aigbofa:
Based on their own assessment or based on what is obvious and glaring to everyone.
He specifically mentioned SW states when several SE states are facing the same issues.

Yes...I matched states with similar conditions...
Osun...Ebonyi...
Oyo....Enugu...
Ondo... Imo...etc...They all operate under same economic conditions...Difference now lies in leadership of these states and their LGA...not with buhari or Jonathan or any president...that's all this article is saying...Hold these your local leaders accountable not just waiting for federal government which is not bound by constitution as a grassroot government to do anything in your locality...

aresa:
It really wasn't hard to spot the usual ibo lies, ignorance and deception. Funny enough, the joker didn't do basic research hence claiming enugu and eboyin are financially stable when in fact they are they are equally in debt and are owing salaries .

The ignorant OP is intellectually lazy and fraudulent..

I don't quote you normally in this forum having noted you as a professional and irredeemable bigot...

Show me where in the article it is said that no SE state is owing...

Is being economically viable same thing as being declared insolvent

Debt in those states is sustainable unlike their counterparts as stated in the post but bigotry won't allow you read and understand...

whitecat1:
The Op is an ibo that wants to denigrate the SW!

I can't believe Aigbofa and the rest of you fell for it!

Every negative story they write about SW/Yoruba, they ibos/SE have it worse but, hide it. Example is 7 months payments a Yoruba governor owe making daily news by ibos, while an ibo governor that is owing 10 months is almost invisible!

Why not go back to the original post and see where Imo state an oil producing state like Ondo but is owing 13months was talked about but because your tribal lens seems permanently glued to your eye, you fail to see such...Why not go back again and read now without prejudice hence you will see the aim and motive of this info...and see if there's any lie here...

barcanista:
Having read the thread from page 0 to page 3, I feel so sad with the level of deploration that our federating units have become.

@Whynotthetruth: You did well by bringing out the ills of states though I would have preferred that you do a total analyses instead of comparative analyses. Some people misinterpreterd your intentions to be targeting a particular region based on their own assessment. Anyway, you did well.

thanks...but I chose what I write on just like I did here...if they feel aggrieved, what stops them from opening another thread to do a holistic analysis...

Mine was simply done to show them that the enemy is within and not where they are searching...PDP is not their enemy as APC has made them believe through propaganda while milking them dry....

AhmedMustapha:
No matter how nebulous you try to be, what your post says is simple "The people of the SW, the APC have veiled you with propaganda, look at how your SE/SS brothers under PDP are doing, don't you want to be like them?"
And my reply to that is simple all the PDP states you mention are owing salaries and other arrears, Abia, Ebonyi and Enugu the supposed model PDP states are sunk in debt, Enugu is even the most-indebted in the SE

once you drop your partisan lens...you will see more.

APC through wicked propaganda confused a people that their problem is PDP...and by my post, I am showing to all that their problem is within and not PDP as they are meant to believe...

Whatever myopic stance you wanna take is up to you...thanks

huptin:
All these fake statistics u keep posting to keep your self happy means nothing. The reality is that the south east is by far the least developed region in Nigeria, was it not just 2 years ago that the first international airport started operating in the east? Do you have a sea or even river port? Again how many standard universities do you have? How many industries? How many good and motorable roads?

You think a place is developed because of a few mansions being built here and there in the bush? Face the east and stop posting fake statistics to make your self happy, that was exactly the way Okonjo Iweala was busy posting stupid statistics while the nation was sinking, while in reality, she has been borrowing money to pay salaries.

Boy travel out of your cave and see...ignorance is actually making you seem too empty to be engaged... Smh... Maybe to you, Nigeria starts from Shagamu and ends in badagry...it is unfortunate how people are not ashamed to display crass ignorance on public forum...

AhmedMustapha:
You never gave paper evidence Sir! It was when I got tired of the half-truths the post was filled with you got paper evidence from ME of how the SE states (the ones governed by PDP I mean) were owing tons of workers

Did I pluck the information from the blues if I have no access to existing statistics and what's on ground...Maybe that I brought some to show you later, how does it make my assertions false?...Nawa for some reasoning sha...

OrlandoOwoh:
You're the defendant, tell us.

I am not defendant bro...You're the one...I am only trying to let you know that the problem is within...it is with in those individuals you people chose to defend...

AhmedMustapha:
Read and see how well your 'successful' states are doing

leadership.ng/news/437091/new-ebonyi-governor-laments-inherited-high-debt-profile

www.news247.com.ng/news/ebonyi-inherited-n50bn-debt-says-umahi#.VX2zcDNw1X0

In the SE, Enugu is the most indebted state
www.vanguardngr.com/2015/04/outrage-trails-enugus-debt-profile/
And as for the debt profile of Abia, it is so bad that shame didn't allow Governor Orji publish it

BTW did you read the link below before all this back and forth argument

https://www.nairaland.com/2263635/south-east-south-west-south-south-lead-
attainment

When you're done reading them, try and go back to the topic of this thread and remind yourself what we are discussing bro...

PassingShot:
I no get time for your PDP vs APC now.

However, common sense should make you appreciate that if the FG needed to borrow to pay salaries since March (?), many states being in debt should not be surprising. If GEJ is not to be blamed for the states' precarious situations, he MUST surely be held accountable for the mind boggling indebtedness of the FG. Abi na lie?

And why must your conditions be the only acceptable ones? You funny guy.

Like I said earlier, Aregbe and Ajimobi messed up but the deed is done and I support whatever ways to make them answer for any wrongdoing they may have engaged in. Dem no be my uncle or brothers.

hehehehe...Jonathan should be held for federal government debts running from independence till date...Why not open a thread doing an analysis of funds borrowed by him and how he failed in utilization?... Do I have to do your part as anti-Jonathan guy...

thanks for the last part of your post, you're evolving into something outside of fanatical fan...just keep it up and do not fall back...

AhmedMustapha:
Read and see how well your 'successful' states are doing

leadership.ng/news/437091/new-ebonyi-governor-laments-inherited-high-debt-profile

www.news247.com.ng/news/ebonyi-inherited-n50bn-debt-says-umahi#.VX2zcDNw1X0

In the SE, Enugu is the most indebted state
www.vanguardngr.com/2015/04/outrage-trails-enugus-debt-profile/
And as for the debt profile of Abia, it is so bad that shame didn't allow Governor Orji publish it

I did a comparative analysis of SW cum SE states with similar economic situation and fortunes...

If you desire to open a thread to crosscheck debts alongside infrastructure on ground...you're free...

I know both regions very well outside newspaper propaganda and lies...

My analysis is based both from evidence on paper and what's on ground...

You can go back to my original post to refresh your mind on the essence of this thread...

You can open a thread on divergent aspects of this topic and let's discuss such as analysis of individual SE states...thanks

SarahBabyxx:
Exactly why I asked him why he singled the SW states out and the SE states that suit him

hehehehe...did you read the original post at all