 Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by wiegraf(op): 8:13pm On Feb 19, 2016 |
ifenes:
Atheism doesn't have its roots in modern science. It is way older than today's science.
The term 'atheist' means a person doesn't believe in God. Aside from that, everything else is up for grabs.
Plato himself wrote about the ancient city called "Atlantis" and how it was destroyed. The Vedas also backed this story up.
Guys like Michael Angelo, Leonardo Da vinci who were born while Christianity was at its peak were very sure the God ideology was fictional and a means of control.
The great philosophers of old went to ancient mystery school,while some were born with the natural knowing that there isn't a God. Mystery schools to ancient religious people but can be called school of science in our today's society. While I understand why some people may look at the article and think what's the point (as rather obviously, atheism isn't some invention strictly speaking sef. Well, depending on how you define invention. However, inventing sky men, that's an invention, any day), you'd be surprised at what some people think, even those who'd you'd assume should know better. they go as far as asserting that the burden of proof lies with the atheist, as the default position is to believe in god the article doesn't fully address this though, it just raises some mildly interesting (and relevant) points and facts |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by wiegraf(op): 11:16pm On Feb 17, 2016 |
And here's India, circa 600 BCEwiki: Charvaka (IAST: Cārvāka), originally known as Lokāyata and Bṛhaspatya, is the ancient school of Indian materialism. Charvaka holds direct perception, empiricism, and conditional inference as proper sources of knowledge, embraces philosophical skepticism and rejects Vedas, Vedic ritualism and supernaturalism.[1][2]
Ajita Kesakambali is credited as the forerunner of the Charvakas,[3] while Brihaspati is usually referred to as the founder of Charvaka or Lokāyata philosophy.[4] Much of the primary literature of Charvaka, the Barhaspatya sutras (ca. 600 BCE), are missing or lost.[5] Its teachings have been compiled from historic secondary literature such as those found in the shastras, sutras and the Indian epic poetry as well as in the dialogues of Gautama Buddha and from Jain literature.[5][6]
One of the widely studied principles of Charvaka philosophy was its rejection of inference as a means to establish valid, universal knowledge, and metaphysical truths.[7][8] In other words, the Charvaka epistemology states that whenever one infers a truth from a set of observations or truths, one must acknowledge doubt; inferred knowledge is conditional.[9]
Charvaka is categorized as a heterodox school of Indian philosophy.[10][11] It is considered an example of atheistic schools in the Hindu tradition.[12][13][14] then again, one simply need consider who the "fool" the bible referred to was. |
| Christianity Etc › Atheism Has Ancient Roots And Is Not ‘modern Invention’, Claims New Text by wiegraf(op): 9:41pm On Feb 17, 2016 |
guardian: Atheism is not a modern invention from the western Enlightenment, but actually dates back to the ancient world, according to a new book by a Cambridge academic – which challenges the assumption that humanity is naturally predisposed to believe in gods.
In Battling the Gods, Tim Whitmarsh, professor of Greek culture at Cambridge University, lays out a series of examples showing that atheism existed in polytheistic ancient Greece. It is, according to its author, partly “an attempt to excavate ancient atheism from underneath the rubble heaped on it by millennia of Christian opprobrium”.
Whitmarsh, a fellow of St John’s College, believes that the growing trend towards seeing religion as “hardwired” into humans is deeply worrying. “I am trying to destabilise this notion, which seems to be gaining hold all the time, that there is something fundamental to humanity about [religious] belief,” he told the Guardian.
Early atheists were making what seem to be universal objections about the paradoxical nature of religion
Professor Tim Whitmarsh
His book disputes that atheism is “a modern invention, a product of the European Enlightenment” and a mode of thought that “would be inconceivable without the twin ideas of a secular state and of science as a rival to religious truth”.
It is a myth, he writes, which is “nurtured by both sides of the ‘new atheism’ debate. Adherents wish to present scepticism toward the supernatural as the result of science’s progressive eclipse of religion, and the religious wish to see it as a pathological symptom of a decadent western world consumed by capitalism.
“Both are guilty of modernist vanity. Disbelief in the supernatural is as old as the hills. It is only through profound ignorance of the classical tradition that anyone ever believed that 18th-century Europeans were the first to battle the gods.”
“We tend to see atheism as an idea that has only recently emerged in secular western societies. The rhetoric used to describe it is hyper-modern. In fact, early societies were far more capable than many since of containing atheism within the spectrum of what they considered normal,” said Whitmarsh.
“Rather than making judgments based on scientific reason, these early atheists were making what seem to be universal objections about the paradoxical nature of religion – the fact that it asks you to accept things that aren’t intuitively there in your world. The fact that this was happening thousands of years ago suggests that forms of disbelief can exist in all cultures, and probably always have.”
In the fourth century BC, he points to Plato, as the philosopher imagines a believer chastising an atheist: “You and your friends are not the first to have held this view about the gods! There are always those who suffer from this illness, in greater or lesser numbers.”
“We may balk at his disease imagery,” writes Whitmarsh, “but Plato was surely right in his general point. There have been many throughout history and across all cultures who have resisted belief in the divine.”
Because you disbelieved things that are not unbelievable, your name from now on shall be Disbeliever (Apistos)
The god Asclepius, to a man who mocked miracle cures
These range from Carneades, head of the Platonic academy in the second century BC, who argued that “belief in gods is illogical”, to the Epicureans, who were often called atheoi in antiquity, and the atheistic writings of Xenophanes of Colophon.
Other examples are texts found regarding the healing god Asclepius from around 320 BC, including the case of a man who had lost the strength in his fingers, but who mocked the stories of the miracle cures found there, and refused to believe in them.
“When he slept in the sanctuary (a common type of ritual activity, known as incubation), Asclepius appeared to him in a dream. His fingers were cured, but the god chided him: ‘Because you disbelieved things that are not unbelievable, your name from now on shall be Disbeliever (Apistos).’ Aside from the story’s wonderful self-consciousness – a miracle inscription about someone who didn’t believe in miracle inscriptions – it also provides precious evidence for religious scepticism in practice, as espoused by a regular, everyday Greek,” writes Whitmarsh.
Whitmarsh argues that the diversity of ancient Greece’s polytheistic societies meant there was no such thing as religious orthodoxy, and no clergy laying out how people should live. This meant, he said, that while atheism could be viewed as mistaken, it was usually tolerated – although not in the case of Socrates, who was executed in Athens for “not recognising the gods of the city”.
While Whitmarsh is not setting out to take a stance on the truth or falsehood of atheism itself, he does state in his preface, his “strong conviction – that has hardened in the course of researching and writing this book – that cultural and religious pluralism, and free debate, are indispensable to the good life.
“Most cultures in human history have had a form of supernatural belief, of one sort or other. It would be hard to deny that that is the norm. But that’s not to say that every person in every culture has subscribed to that,” he writes. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/feb/17/atheism-has-ancient-roots-claims-new-studyI'll add the likes of Nobunaga were essentially atheist |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 9:17pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
FOLYKAZE:
Abobaku are sacrificed in present days though in a coded way.
What is wrong with someone that decides to sacrifice his life for the royal fam?
No be dem decision?  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If Man Evolved From Monkeys Why Do Monkeys Still Exist? by wiegraf: 7:16pm On Jan 23, 2016 |
Op, if no one asked, allow me to be the first.
As god made man from mud, why is there still mud? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Chess Now Haram by wiegraf(op): 7:04pm On Jan 23, 2016 |
AgentOfAllah:
Lol abeg o...To call my comment a copy of reader x's is to diminish the masterpiece that their comment is! Whoever that person is definitely deserves an award!
To be clear though, I didn't even open the link to the article, so I could never have seen the comment. Nononononono that's not what I meant. blame my poor writing skills (and inebria.... never mind) I meant I was stealing my response to you from the comments on the article, not that you copied from there. In fact, I believe sticking with dual syllabic as you suggest is best! no vex  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Chess Now Haram by wiegraf(op): 6:54pm On Jan 23, 2016 |
Reyginus:
Lol. The reason I presented two options. And they did accordingly out of fear and respect. Ah, I see. In that case, again I don't exactly claim to be in his head, but if I were to choose between fear and/or respect, I'd choose fear and a healthy dose of genius |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Chess Now Haram by wiegraf(op): 6:49pm On Jan 23, 2016*. Modified: 7:13pm On Jan 23, 2016 |
AgentOfAllah:
I think they just have a problem with the piece called "Bishop", but they're too embarrassed to say it! I propose a name change of that piece to "sheikh" or "mufti" if you prefer that it preserves its dual syllabic form...I'm pretty sure that will keep the mufti's well pleased, and probably encourage them to persuade god to reconsider the haramness of the game.
"Persuade god" you ask?...Well, the truth is that nobody understands god's delicate sensitivities and low self-esteem more than the sheikhs...as the saying goes.."it takes one to know one". this is a wonderful post I am stealing this from the comments section of that article, which is along the lines of your post guardian reader x: You're right. It might be worth appealing to His Grand Muftiship and offering a few concessions so as to slip the game past his ban, eg
The Queen to wear a burkha
The Bishops to be renamed Imams
In case of any typing errors, the Pawns to be re-named Migrant Workers
The Knights to be Jihadi Fighters
The Rooks to be Vultures, so as to make desert-dwelling players feel at home
No betting of course, but any cash left over over a tournament to be designated "Accrued Prophet". And of course the king has to stop wearing a cross EDITED for clarity |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Chess Now Haram by wiegraf(op): 5:00pm On Jan 23, 2016 |
Reyginus:
Lol. I watched it on RT this morning. He doesn't know the power of chess or he's scared of the power of Chess. Chess can open the Pineal Gland giving your third eye the freedom to sit on the food chain.
His argument holds no water because it can also be used to categorize all games. He should be clamouring for all type of competitive sports to be banned if he doesn't have any grouse with Chess. Indeed, you and others suggest he may be afraid of people learning to think for themselves I, personally though, think you give him too much credit |
| Christianity Etc › Chess Now Haram by wiegraf(op): 1:53pm On Jan 23, 2016 |
guardian: Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.
Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh was answering a question on a television show in which he issues fatwas in response to viewers’ queries on everyday religious matters.
He said chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.
Sheikh justified the ruling by referring to the verse in the Qur’an banning “intoxicants, gambling, idolatry and divination”. It is not clear when the fatwa was delivered.
Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq’s supreme Shia religious authority, has previously issued rulings forbidding chess.
After the 1979 Islamic revolution, playing chess was banned in public in Iran and declared haram, or forbidden, by senior clerics because it was associated with gambling. But in 1988, Iran’s then supreme leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, lifted the ban and said it was permissible as long as it was not a means of gambling. Iran now has an active confederation for playing chess and sends players to international games.
Moves to suppress chess are likely to have come as a surprise to the seventh-century Muslims who conquered Persia and adopted the game before exporting it to Europe.
Muslim scholars tend to place chess, a skill-based game, in a different category from games of chance, such as dice, but frown upon it if it distracts a person from performing the five daily prayers. Placing bets under any circumstances is forbidden.
Nigel Short, the British chess grandmaster, told the BBC that forbidding chess in Saudi Arabia would be a “great tragedy”. “I don’t consider chess to be a threat to society. It is not something that is so depraved as to corrupt morals,” he said. “Even Ayatollah Khomeini came to the conclusion that he’d gone too far and repealed his own ban.”
The region’s clerical establishment figures are no strangers to seemingly strange fatwas, or edicts. In the early 2000s, Saudi and other clerics issued a fatwa against the popular Pokémon franchise, and during football’s 2010 World Cup in South Africa, religious scholars in the United Arab Emirates said that using the widely reviled vuvuzela instrument was forbidden if the sound produced was above 100 decibels.
It is unlikely that Sheikh’s ruling will be enforced, and more plausible that chess will be relegated to the status of other minor vices, such as music, which many in the clerical establishment frown upon. Moreover, since the ruling was in response to a specific question, it was probably meant as an advisory opinion rather than a formal edict. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-muftiA life without pokemon is a life without meaning |
| Phones › Re: Mtn Charging For All Manner Of Nonsense by wiegraf(op): 7:28pm On Jan 22, 2016 |
Emmagenius:
Bro,the option is to BREAK and THROW AWAY their SIM. And wait for NTEL launch in march so as to switch over. You could use Airtel.
2. OR you can PORT to another Network and retain your line thanks! didn't think about porting it's sad that these are the only options available tho.... if it happens to a lot of people, they should be fined or something...... |
| Phones › Re: Mtn Charging For All Manner Of Nonsense by wiegraf(op): 12:14pm On Jan 22, 2016 |
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| Phones › Mtn Charging For All Manner Of Nonsense by wiegraf(op): 11:44am On Jan 22, 2016 |
Am I the only one MTN is charging (everyday!) for crap I didn't subscribe for? Can they fooking legally do this??!!
the silly adverts I've had to endure were annoying enough. Now, they essentially charge me for them.....
Is there anything that can be done about it? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists ! You Are Going To Hell ! by wiegraf: 10:27am On Jan 20, 2016 |
UyiIredia:
I'm warning not worrying cause when you roast I'll come to laugh at you as the Bible says. Look into your hearts, sons, and feels the lights. I know it basks in yous. It's all true, and you know this, no? Step away from the dark. Come home |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 1:51pm On Jan 15, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 1:33pm On Jan 15, 2016 |
Logicbwoy:
You know, I dont blame both of you. With all the hatred I got from being the Dark Knight, many lies and misconceptions were thrown against me. You guys are not the first people here to be surprised that I'm well educated and older. Empiree, lanrexlan Vedaxcool and co were all angrily accusing me of lying when I said that I had a masters.
I joined Nairaland in 2012 and had my masters before then, if you remember.
Or do I have to bring up some old posts? How old are you? Give me just a rough estimate Kayi.... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 11:04am On Jan 15, 2016 |
Reyginus:
Wiewie, is he lying? I don turn to pipito. I don suffer (well, maybe being a pipi isn't so bad) Not going to comment on that |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 11:01am On Jan 15, 2016 |
JackBizzle:
I had my masters degree over 5 years ago.
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Guy, please, keep quiet. I knew that you had no point other than to antagonize me from your first comment.
The fact remains that Nairaland has progressed without a legal section. What I or any other person believes about Seun is irrelevant. LB, you had what masters degree over 5 years ago? IIRC you're in your mid 20s lb... Not to mention, what did you just tell reyginus now?? Chai... Anyhoo, bros, no, my goal was not to antagonize you (who do u think u are sef?). It's to point out you have absolutely no point whatsoever with regards to the legal section. Also btw, as I think this is the only 'point' of yours that hasn't been addressed: that nairaland thrived without a 'legal' section is irrelevant. It also thrived without 'what does ja think?' and millions of other sections. All it need do is get the basics right and have the other sections not be detrimental to its bottomline, simple. Not to mention, seun started this place as a commercial enterprise (, the clue is likely in the name.) I believe his goals are not the same as those of the proposed site (unless it's yours alone....), and he could simply have reasoned that he doesn't want the potentially controversy, or just the extra headache that admining that or any other section, entail. It would hurt his bottomline. A business decision. Simple. As you don't share his goals, why the need to emulate him completely? And, as you didn't grasp the full reason for my question of your support of seun in this case, he is not infallible (in what context sef? But we'll ignore that, in order to keep things sort of short). Who's not to say that a legal section would have been a roaring success? Who's to say that his is the only template for success? Are you saying that sites with legal sections bomb? What of your beloved reddit? https://www.reddit.com/r/law/https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice (note how this is the most popular pls....) https://www.reddit.com/r/legal/And pls don't use 'its in the US' as an excuse. It's already been addressed..... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 10:16am On Jan 15, 2016 |
JackBizzle:
REALLY? SERIOUSLY?? lol, you couldn't stress your mockingly fake surprise any less.
Bros, kindly keep quiet. Both I and Jay have put essays forward both for and against the idea of a legal section.
If you are still asking at what I feel about a legal section at this time, you must be joking.
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At the end of the day, Nairaland has survived without a legal section.
You and Jay are now asking someone (SonOfLucifer) to start a new forum with a legal section.
==================================== And you actually think you made sense? But you're right, I'm not particularly surprised to see such a harebrained attempt from you. Or the hypocrisy in this post where your forced politeness is glaring and projected unto me, no less. By the way sir, considering your history, are you now hailing seun as some sort of genius? Is that the official (,and very important, people's lives depend on it) LB position now? And congrats on the masters brah (ie, assuming you did them) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 11:35pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
Lb, are you seriously suggesting a legal section is a bad idea?
Really? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Meet The One True Contender To His Noodlisness, And They're African by wiegraf(op): 11:57pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
johnydon22:
Wiegraf here is another point.. The stonehenge, how in the world did they lift that and achieved a perfect geometrical formations in arranging it..
we simply do not know, should we then assume they got help from aliens?..No.. it means we don't know YET.
I am fascinated by this Dogon tribe and i will read and research more about their astronomical knowledge.. it will be wonderful no vex, time no dey..... I shouldn't be here now sef I can appreciate all this, but this case is bit peculiar. For instance, as you've demonstrated, there is a certain ubiquity to these discoveries. You've shown ancients were capable making gigantic structures, egypt to greece (and perhaps, not sure how big they are) stonehenge. this is not the only example of such ubiquity, metalworks, mathematics, astronomy, lovely waterworks, etc. Away from technology, we have things like dragons and fiery chariots from space. However, no where in the ancient world would you find knowledge about binary systems. No.Where. egyptians, greek, sumerians, non of them Quoting that article wiki: The Dogon people are an ethnic group in Mali, West Africa, reported by some researchers to have traditional astronomical knowledge about Sirius that would normally be considered impossible without the use of telescopes. According to Marcel Griaule's books Conversations with Ogotemmêli and The Pale Fox they knew about the fifty-year orbital period of Sirius and its companion prior to western astronomers. They also refer to a third star accompanying Sirius A and B. Robert Temple's 1976 book The Sirius Mystery, credits them with knowledge of the four Galilean moons of Jupiter and the rings of Saturn. This has been the subject of controversy and speculation. And to give you a measure of why it would be virtually impossible, here's how they were actually discovered by modern man wiki: In 1844 the German astronomer Friedrich Bessel deduced from changes in the proper motion of Sirius that it had an unseen companion.[56] Nearly two decades later, on January 31, 1862, American telescope-maker and astronomer Alvan Graham Clark first observed the faint companion, which is now called Sirius B, or affectionately "the Pup".[57] This happened during testing of an 18.5-inch (470 mm) aperture great refractor telescope for Dearborn Observatory, which was the largest refracting telescope lens in existence at the time, and the largest telescope in the United States.[58] Sirius B sighting was confirmed on March 8 with smaller telescopes as well.[59]
The visible star is now sometimes known as Sirius A. Since 1894, some apparent orbital irregularities in the Sirius system have been observed, suggesting a third very small companion star, but this has never been definitely confirmed. The best fit to the data indicates a six-year orbit around Sirius A and a mass of only 0.06 M☉. This star would be five to ten magnitudes fainter than the white dwarf Sirius B, which would account for the difficulty of observing it.[60] Observations published in 2008 were unable to detect either a third star or a planet. An apparent "third star" observed in the 1920s is now confirmed as a background object.[61] So, to put it in context, even with the technology of today, we cannot confirm if a third star exists or not. It is that difficult to ascertain the third star. We may be able to determine a second star exists but as you can see, a degree of sophistication not so easily attained is required. And again, for them to even consider that binary systems exists, is quite the feat. As they never came across one, it would be similar, even if not as dramatic, obviously, to them predicting black holes exist. Not to mention, apparently, they went as far as determining it's orbit and various other tidbits. Now, assuming they determined this from scientific means we are unable to determine, where from? technology doesn't really spring up from isolation, a foundation is required. Nothing we know points in the direction of a suitable base to build this knowledge exiting. And, intrestingly, this is one of the few cases where we have an actual, scientific prediction, not the vague nonsense we're used to from religions. No shifting posts and silly predictions, they are making a direct prediction: sirrius is made of three stars, orbiting at so and so, with so and so planets doing whatever. Imagine what would happen if indeed a third star system were discovered? Well, it has already happened, in a sense, when the second star was discovered. that is, assuming all this is true... No mistakes (even if honest), no lying, etc... Extremely unlikely IMO, but regardless, it's still a lot more than yahweh offers our religious cousins. they should be lapping it up I may edit this, as it's a rush job... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Meet The One True Contender To His Noodlisness, And They're African by wiegraf(op): 11:45pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
plaetton:
This is quite stuuuuupid, I must say.
Again, this obviously stems from very poor comprehension skills.
The op's position is that since we Africans are beholden to worshipping god-in-sky myths from middle East junk yards, why not learn our own closer to home god-in-sky myths from our own African brothers, the Dogons of Mali?
This was from where our discussions began.
Now, I am guessing that it is your brainwashed safe-guard mechanism that kicked in your knee-jerk reactions.
Funny that you should ask for a peer review of Dogon mystery, an African myth.
When was the last time you asked for a peer review of christian mythologies, the bedrock of your worldviews ?
Silly m.o.Ron. 
Tufiakwa! You go fear Maybe he also wants to see patents for the ground breaking faith based innovations by the Dogon as well Peer review talking snake? Maybe it was a talking snake-like species? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Meet The One True Contender To His Noodlisness, And They're African by wiegraf(op): 10:16am On Jan 10, 2016 |
johnydon22:
Oh sir no matter how much you will love to keep convincing yourself that such phenomenon was achievable rests on your own gullibility and delusion..
-Surely enough we are certain for someone to assert such ridiculous idea shows he or she doesn't really know the orbital calibration of the earth or axial speed
Let me assume in this case that EARTH actually was the one that stood still in joshua..
The earth's axial speed is 465 meter per second.. that is an incredible speed that if it were to come to a halt that would be the end of everything as you know it..
The wind turbulence will blow at ±465 meter per second that nothing on earth will with stand that sudden jerk... Imagine being in a high speed bus and it stops all of a sudden, everyone falls towards the front..
This should be applied in case where the body is moving at a neck breaking speed of 465meter per second not even houses will remain..
so it is highly improbable..
The point always eludes you.. i have not seen where wiagraf asserts he adheres to such beliefs more over atheism has nothing to do with supernatural beliefs
lmao.. And this is just for starters. thank you abeg. I just can't anymore. I know I'll look silly stating this, but not so long ago there was a brand of theists that would spout the most illogical, silly, sometimes even sociopathic and terrible thrash as casually as they were brushing their teeth. You might rage at these people, you might lose your hair, but you would at least admire the thought put into their sophistry and chicanery. You would at least applaud their evil genius. Heck, on your good days, you might even openly praise them this bunch you have to deal with tho... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Meet The One True Contender To His Noodlisness, And They're African by wiegraf(op): 9:47am On Jan 10, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Meet The One True Contender To His Noodlisness, And They're African by wiegraf(op): 9:24am On Jan 10, 2016 |
johnydon22:
Obviously yes their claim was quite stupendous but i believe more insights are needed.
We have a triple star system in our interstellar neighbourhood .. The Alpha Centauri.
Which is 4 light years away.. consisting of 2 average stars and 1 dwarf..
The Sirius star system actually is a well known star in ancient astrology having the brightest star known in our sky.
Its a binary star system alright but it was also well known to most of these ancient civiliations like the Egyptians and even sumer.
These like i said was likely a result of constant observation of the system which of course is visible in our night sky.....
the ancients had knowledge of the intervals and durations of most star constellations visible in our night sky.
Personally to me anything that needs to have FAITH as a basis of belief has no reason to be believed in the first place
I was talking about huge cut stone slabs not bricks bro.. Greek temples
compare the size of those blocks with the humans in the pics
Aye, but did the egygptians and sumerians know it was a binary star system or that there was a 50 year orbit? Did they even know that binary star systems existed? From what I understand, no. And that, ser, is the point. that's impressive from the greek... I'm quite surprised they didn't record their methods, given they wrote a lot. Did the romans ever do something simialar? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Meet The One True Contender To His Noodlisness, And They're African by wiegraf(op): 9:03am On Jan 10, 2016 |
bqlekan:
sukkot once described a reason for this, he said "what if civilisation is in cycle? what if civilisation started and faded away before us?"
this might be the answer to many lies told to us. Here's a fun fact: Cleopatra lived closer to the iPhone than she did to most of the pyramids. So yes, quite a lot of time has passed. Edit: to go further back than those periods and make claims would require physical evidence though, and we simply don't have that. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Meet The One True Contender To His Noodlisness, And They're African by wiegraf(op): 8:56am On Jan 10, 2016 |
johnydon22:
[b]To me personally i want people to do away with the notion of faith and try to find things out.
I think these people were more advanced than we thought..
Ancient greeks moved stones that are 100tons in weight without modern day cranes, you as a modern day person might speculate that those stones are impossible to move without cranes. but they did it.
That we do not know how these were done doesn't leave room to other unconfirmed answers, it simply means we don't know.
Many of the things we see in the nights are actually planets and moons and not stars (though need at least a Galilean telescope to distinguish) but if these people had knowledge in astrology and kept star chats.
they could notice these bodies move because they wouldn't remain in the exact position they were during the intervals of the chats. . . so telescope is not really the only way to see these.
So that we don't for now know how they did it is not really a back bone to assume ..
Well i grab your point bro.. [/b] Ah, mayhaps you misunderstand (or likely I wasn't clear enough). they didn't just predict that there was a star system there, they predicted there was a binary star system there. (Actually, they predict a third star within the system as well, but that remains to be seen.) I know you know a lot about astronomy (even more so than dilettante extraordinaire: myself), so can you now grasp just how sophisticated their claim was? they even allegedly knew their orbital period and a bunch of other things. Making these discoveries was most likely beyond the grasp of the ancients, even if we cannot definitely say it's entirely impossible. there are other things to consider, but let's leave it at that as they're not really important I do wish they wouldn't rely on this faith thingie as well, obviously. Some of these folk though...no reason gets through....they simply must worship some god..... And was it the egyptians or the greek that moved tonnes of bricks with mysterious tech? I've never heard of greek doing it as well. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Meet The One True Contender To His Noodlisness, And They're African by wiegraf(op): 8:06am On Jan 10, 2016 |
johnydon22:
Nobody even remembered to teach us about civilizations that are right under our noses.
The yoruba civilization, Igbo civilization and history, oyo empire, bornu empire, mali empire, ashanti empire..
tis robbery. daylight robbery and on an unprecedented scale... ra.pe, they ra.ped us and people seem to have developed some form of stockholm's syndrome |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Meet The One True Contender To His Noodlisness, And They're African by wiegraf(op): 8:03am On Jan 10, 2016 |
johnydon22:
[b] having such knowledge does not make their claims true.. they are also intelligent species (humans) like us so why should we think having astronomical knowledge of some astronomical facts is something unheard of.
the ancients also practised astrology and kept star chats..
But the whole thing sounds like many of these stories (myths) that gives fuel to the theory of ancient alien visitation. (most of these stories makes it almost seem that what these ancients worship as God(s) were intelligent alien species.
just take a look at the story.. "he descended from the sky on a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder" this is exactly the description an ancient mind would give a rocket.
also remember when ever yahweh descended in mountain sinai as written in the bible, smoke and thunder covered the whole moutain.
Ezekiel saw a fiery creature, with wheels that can turn in ever direction and eyes all over it's body (could the eyes be his way of describing tiny windows in an aircraft?)
there are many instances as these that support this ancient alien visitation.. But i don't still buy it though, we keep an open mind.
Because we would ask "why their children (generations) have no visited earth again since then? (the ones who visited may be presumed dead as all living things do)
so where are they, why not visit again lets have another chit chat.
[/b] Having knowledge of specific binary systems would be impossible without telescopes. Considering black man eschewed writing through much of his history (in favor of mostly rapping, what a genius idea!) and for long periods never built upon previous knowledge significantly, and that there are no signs of their having any such technology in the past, the likelihood of their having had a telescope is really low. At best it would be a lucky guess. Considering the size of the universe and the ratios involved, that would be quite the stretch as well. However, when you consider that we're talking about the brightest star available, the odds of it being a guess don't look terribly bad. then again, how did they know about binary systems in the first place? Or Gods told them. Regardless, whether I think gods told them or not (or they simply were told by some oyinbo they had come into earlier contact with), a guess or lost technology they failed to document is mostly irrelevant, as this is my focus me: If you're going to make a move using 'faith' and long shots, why not (use) this?? So, for the religionists willing to gamble on yahweh, who created the heavens and the earth before he created the sun and the stars. that created brids, descended from dinosaurs, before land animals. that yahweh, so ignorant and confused that he actually can't even seem to get his story straight, as there are two accounts of creation in his book.... why choose him? I, for one, welcome our new mami-water overlords as truer gods. And they're African to boot! |
| Christianity Etc › Meet The One True Contender To His Noodlisness, And They're African by wiegraf(op): 5:41am On Jan 10, 2016 |
wiki: The Dogon people are an ethnic group in Mali, West Africa, reported by some researchers to have traditional astronomical knowledge about Sirius that would normally be considered impossible without the use of telescopes. According to Marcel Griaule's books Conversations with Ogotemmêli and The Pale Fox they knew about the fifty-year orbital period of Sirius and its companion prior to western astronomers. They also refer to a third star accompanying Sirius A and B. Robert Temple's 1976 book The Sirius Mystery, credits them with knowledge of the four Galilean moons of Jupiter and the rings of Saturn. This has been the subject of controversy and speculation. So, they disclosed extremely scientifically advanced information and were accurate. My serious (serious) question here is; why do you not worship these gods? they've been far more impressive than yahweh, who thought the earth was the centre of the universe and had to run away from an army that was using iron (seems he didn't know how to make steel), and are African. You never heard of them? Well, now that you have are you willing to discard false oyinbo religions and embrace your african roots? Oh, and please, while how they got the data is debatable, it still is a lot better than what judeoxtianity offers. If you're going to make a move using 'faith' and long shots, why not this?? Plus, they're from the marine world, and have spaceships!!!wiki: In the latter part of the 1940s, French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen (who had been working with the Dogon since 1931) were the recipients of additional, secret mythologies, concerning the Nommo. The Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). [b]The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. After arriving, the Nommos created a reservoir of water and subsequently dove into the water. The Dogon legends state that the Nommos required a watery environment in which to live. [/b]According to the myth related to Griaule and Dieterlen: "The Nommo divided his body among men to feed them; that is why it is also said that as the universe "had drunk of his body," the Nommo also made men drink. He gave all his life principles to human beings." The Nommo are also thought to be the origin of the first Hogon.[2][3] And we all know spaceships and the marine world exist. So, why not believe their tale of over the obvious yahweh charade? |
| Science/Technology › Human Impact Has Pushed Earth Into The Anthropocene, Scientists Say by wiegraf(op): 6:04am On Jan 08, 2016*. Modified: 8:10am On Jan 08, 2016 |
guardian: There is now compelling evidence to show that humanity’s impact on the Earth’s atmosphere, oceans and wildlife has pushed the world into a new geological epoch, according to a group of scientists.
The question of whether humans’ combined environmental impact has tipped the planet into an “anthropocene” – ending the current holocene which began around 12,000 years ago – will be put to the geological body that formally approves such time divisions later this year.
The new study provides one of the strongest cases yet that from the amount of concrete mankind uses in building to the amount of plastic rubbish dumped in the oceans, Earth has entered a new geological epoch.
“We could be looking here at a stepchange from one world to another that justifies being called an epoch,” said Dr Colin Waters, principal geologist at the British Geological Survey and an author on the study published in Science on Thursday.
“What this paper does is to say the changes are as big as those that happened at the end of the last ice age . This is a big deal.”
He said that the scale and rate of change on measures such as CO2 and methane concentrations in the atmosphere were much larger and faster than the changes that defined the start of the holocene.
Humans have introduced entirely novel changes, geologically speaking, such as the roughly 300m metric tonnes of plastic produced annually. Concrete has become so prevalent in construction that more than half of all the concrete ever used was produced in the past 20 years.
Wildlife, meanwhile, is being pushed into an ever smaller area of the Earth, with just 25% of ice-free land considered wild now compared to 50% three centuries ago. As a result, rates of extinction of species are far above long-term averages.
But the study says perhaps the clearest fingerprint humans have left, in geological terms, is the presence of isotopes from nuclear weapons testing that took place in the 1950s and 60s.
Tower blocks in Hong Kong. More than half of all the concrete ever used was produced in the past 20 years.
Tower blocks in Hong Kong. More than half of all the concrete ever used was produced in the past 20 years. Photograph: Bobby Yip/Reuters
“Potentially the most widespread and globally synchronous anthropogenic signal is the fallout from nuclear weapons testing,” the paper says.
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“It’s probably a good candidate [for a single line of evidence to justify a new epoch] ... we can recognise it in glacial ice, so if an ice core was taken from Greenland, we could say that’s where it [the start of the anthropocene] was defined,” Waters said.
The study says that accelerating technological change, and a growth in population and consumption have driven the move into the anthropocene, which advocates of the concept suggest started around the middle of the 20th century.
“We are becoming a major geological force, and that’s something that really has happened since we had that technological advance after the second world war. Before that it was horse and cart transporting stuff around the planet, it was low key, nothing was happening particularly dramatically,” said Waters.
He added that the study should not be taken as “conclusive statement” that the anthropocene had arrived, but as “another level of information” for the debate on whether it should be formally declared an epoch by the International Commission on Stratigraphy (ICS).
Istopes common in nature, 14C, and a naturally rare isotope, 293Pu, are present through the Earth’s mid-latitudes due to nuclear testing in the 1950s and 60s.
Istopes common in nature, 14C, and a naturally rare isotope, 293Pu, are present through the Earth’s mid-latitudes due to nuclear testing in the 1950s and 60s. Photograph: Associated Press
Waters said that if the ICS was to formally vote in favour of making the anthropocene an official epoch, its significance to the wider world would be in conveying the scale of what humanity is doing to the Earth.
“We [the public] are well aware of the climate discussions that are going on. That’s one aspect of the changes happening to the entire planet. What this paper does, and the anthropocene concept, is say that’s part of a whole set of changes to not just the atmosphere, but the oceans, the ice – the glaciers that we’re using for this project might not be here in 10,000 years.
“People are environmentally aware these days but maybe the information is not available to them to show the scale of changes that are happening.”
The international team behind the paper includes several other members of the Subcommission on Quaternary Stratigraphy’s anthropocene working group, which hopes to present a proposal to the ICS later this year. The upswing in usage of the anthropocene term is credited to Paul Crutzen, the Dutch Nobel prize-winning atmospheric chemist, after he wrote about it in 2000.
Key markers of change that are indicative of the anthropocene. A shows new markers, while B shows long-ranging signals.
Key markers of change that are indicative of the anthropocene. A shows new markers, while B shows long-ranging signals. Photograph: sciencemag.org
Prof Phil Gibbard, a geologist at the University of Cambridge who initially set up the working group examining formalising the anthropocene, said that while he respected the work of Waters and others on the subject, he questioned how useful it would be to declare a new epoch.
“It’s really rather too near the present day for us to be really getting our teeth into this one. That’s not to say I or any of my colleagues are climate change deniers or anything of that kind, we fully recognise the points: the data and science is there.
“What we question is the philosophy, and usefulness. It’s like having a spanner but no use for it,” he said.
Gibbard suggested it might be better if the anthropocene was seen as a cultural term – such as as the neolithic era, the end of the stone age – rather than a geological one.
Evidence we’ve started an ‘anthropocene’
-We’ve pushed extinction rates of flora and fauna far above the long-term average. The Earth is now on course for a sixth mass extinction which would see 75% of species extinct in the next few centuries if current trends continue
Increased the concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere by about 120 parts per million since the industrial revolution because of fossil fuel-burning, leaving concentrations today at around 400ppm and rising
-Nuclear weapon tests in the 1950s and 60s left traces of an isotope common in nature, 14C, and a naturally rare isotope, 293Pu, through the Earth’s mid-latitudes
-Put so much plastic in our waterways and oceans that microplastic particles are now virtually ubiquitous, and plastics will likely leave identifiable fossil records for future generations to discover
-Doubled the nitrogen and phosphorous in our soils in the past century with our fertiliser use. According to some research, we’ve had the largest impact on the nitrogen cycle in 2.5bn years
-Left a permanent marker in sediment and glacial ice with airborne particulates such as black carbon from fossil fuel-burning http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/07/human-impact-has-pushed-earth-into-the-anthropocene-scientists-sayWe go kill this planet soon enough.. Silly. arrogant species.... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 6:01am On Jan 08, 2016 |
musKeeto:
mybb is the backend. Lots of html, css and php tweaking for customization. A few plugins too. Needs a chatbox?
Yeah, getting content's a headache. wanna avoid the site being swarmed by hungry retard bloggers. Community first. Then, hopefully everything else follows.
Working on other projects. Will focus on this fully from March. Happy New Year Sire.  And happy new year to you, good ser I go dey show b dat |
