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OLAADEGBU:
It is the Ark and not the arc. Noah's Ark is a scientific and historical fact while superman is fiction. Get your facts right.

ola, how did you become like this?

Image123:
You skipped the questions. Here they are again.
1. Do you also doubt the flood?
2. Do you realize only kids believe in superman, while the oldest and most educated men believe in the Bible?

Will answer your question after the reply, thanks.

The flood is as factual as the destruction of the planet krypton. And which most educated do you speak of? the overwhelming majority of top scientists and nobel laureats in the sciences wouldn't be caught dead believing these stories. you need to leave your village and explore man, before making such embarrasing claims. and no, clearly some supposed adults believe in superman (and obviously worse). abi what's the difference between superman and samson? is it that samson's weakness is barbers as opposed to meteorites?

Image123:
Do you also doubt the flood? Do you realize only kids believe in superman, while the oldest and most educated men believe in the Bible? The difference is so clear it's a miracle that you cannot see it.

how did samson defeat an army using the jawbone of an ass?

i see your point op. i don't see why people doubt the arc when superman can leap over buildings and run faster than moving trains

UyiIredia:
To think that you can't see when you're confused. Your case is hopeless.

this post is good, but not good enough. see?

UyiIredia:
I hope you are confused otherwise my job won't be well done.

you do still have ways to go before you bamboozle the likes of me. but, and this is no arrogance, it may be an impossible task for just about anyone for a variety of reasons. no, i am not dogmatic. that said, you keep your fellow religionists suitably confused.

UyiIredia:
Bah!

you know this to be true, consumate confusionist. and great signature btw

UyiIredia:
As if the definition of perfection can't change given times and perspectives, like yours. But must Gods knowledge be synonymous with your understanding of perfection. How many tastes will God have to cater to to be perfect ? I guess He'll never be perfect in such a a case.

these are the smartest things you've said since you stopped pretending to be atheist. and you always believed them, yet you live with such dissonance. are you willing to accept you're a godist and no humanist as well? inb4 you claim i believe in god because of tone of this post...

JackBizzle:
Wait!

Reyginus, do you as a man wear panties?

No wonder you are an expert in washing them.

don't judge what you've (allegedly) not tried before. besides, he may have simply run out of boxers

Reyginus:
Lololol. What a wrong way to define it. Which dictionary are you using?

urban dictionary i think, which is the sort to use in this context. someone's incorrect tho

As you might have heard, AI just beat one of the best go players in the world, and did so impressively.

AlphaGo is a neural network, inspired by biological processes, that essentially taught itself how to beat a legend in the game (of course it was pushed in the right direction, especially initially)

My question, as the title states, is when will AI qualify as having a soul to you religious bretheren?

And please, do note I have stated nowhere (nor even implied) that alphaGo qualifies as being fully self aware, sentient, etc. It is an impressive feat though

Lb, abeg what are you doing??

And the irony of 'teacher' italo alluding to intelligence while taking cues from you

Anyhow

Ubenedictus:
u can change that bad expirience today... You can show where popes have taugh that slaves are to be mere property with no rights i.e chatel slavery (if there exist such document that teaches such) and watch how we quitely agree or even kindly apologise... I do not think the church taught chatel slavery neither do italo, if u are sure she does show us.

Maybe you can help me, as I've given up on your brother. For starters, you seem to be saying you'd be willing to apologise. that does not seem to align with italo's position, which is essiantially that the church is flawless. that it can do no wrong. that your oga pope apologizing was all just a charade, that it simply was just a fake, diplomatic act.

Is all this correct?

sonOfLucifer:

I hear developing on MAC is easy and intuitive compared to other platforms. I've been running Ubuntu 14.04 for almost 8 months now. I only use Windows for gaming these days.

LIES!!!

Visual studio is as smooth as it gets for development. Even the express versions are pretty sweet. Of course, full power requires 'ultimate' and something like resharper, 100000's or dollars, but many consider it worth it (and there are pirates)

Leave Microsoft's (soon to be) garden and you'll find first rate support for just about everything. Plugins for Eclipse, Android Studio (Intellij Idea), etc. And of course, just about every linux tool gets a decent windows port or alternative 9f some sort (eg, emacs). Heck, you can even develop, and productively, for Apple via Visual Studio extensions (xamarin) - minus UI bits

I understand mac has Photoshop.

their cocoa kini-ko is good, yes I've heard. So maybe they didn't lie, however - it's inferior to Microsoft's first child, as those that sing cocoa praises will readily admit. And outside of that precious few alternatives exist (yes, I understand not so difficult to port from unix to osx, but still....)

this is even more easily settled than messi vs ronaldo

I want to know why anyone who isn't reliigious would buy a mac

State your case and we'll handle this like adults. Like those bros that were arguing over the better player:messi or ronaldo (wetiin una dey shak for dat country sonOfLuciifer??)

Speechless3:
Laws of logic are true everywhere.

You've not answered the question.

You're trying to say god is a universal. Google the term

Problem is you don't know what it entails. It's no good for the case of your god

Answer the qweshon to begin to see why

Best Oscar winner


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwdCIpbTN5g

Good church getting some more loving attention

Speechless3:
I am saying that logic is universal, otherwise it is mere opinion.

So is god like logic?

Or are you saying god is universally accepted, like logic

Op, are you saying your god is like logic?

chaosattractor:
Also I'd like to note that criticism of an institution is not criticism of an ideology. This thread is getting a little too personal.

For instance, I am an anarcho-communist but when people begin to criticize the USSR or Mao's China I don't automatically jump to defend them. The fact that I am a communist does not mean I must accept, excuse or deny everything that has been done in the name of communism.

Italo, your spiritual belief is not tied to the Catholic Church. After all, if we're going by the Bible it's not the church that will save you and the gospels warn many times to be wary of religious leaders. I find this insistence that the church can do no wrong rather disturbing.

Please, take over abeg... You're doing an excellent job

It's always going to be somewhat personal [s](even if it's mostly just playful banter)[/s] between me and that.... that......

I don't even understand why that LB brought him over.....but anyhoo..

Ditto on the anarcho-communist. How is that even possible? Maybe when we're on some star-trek like level of enlightenment but as we are?!

God is great

italo:
1. Hundreds of priests were defrocked for child abuse. Bitter haters like you always avoid that.

And hundreds of others were covered up. Your point? this somehow mitigates your folly?

You didn't even start taking these seriously until others started lighting tourches under your nyash. Look at what one of your mastahs says

Mastah Cardinal: "We have said repeatedly that ... our understanding of this problem and the way it's dealt with today evolved, and that in those years ago, decades ago, people didn't realize how serious this was, and so, rather than pulling people out of ministry directly and fully, they were moved."

I can sort of understand sha. I mean, you people need a book written when the wheel was a novel invention to help you tell good from bad, so it's no surprise that these good masters did not know how egregious their actions were...

italo:
2. If an official loots, and according to the law of the land is imprisoned for 5 years, rehabilitated, counseled and released...then the Governor gives him another appointment, as is allowed by the law, then he loots again, I cannot say 'Nigeria did wrong.' same with a petty thief that is released back to society...or a Pedophile priest that is reprimanded, forgiven, counseled and reassigned.

I'm confused here, you think that bolded is appropriate enough action to be taken when dealing with a ped0 priest?

You guys used to light people on fire for things like blaspheme, and this is all you got now??

that asides, again, not a strictly accurate rendition of the scenario. the looters in this case are documented to be kleptos. While I may feel for them, as frankly, it is a biological condition and I don't share your church's erstwhile lust for witch-hunts, something clearly has to be done. there are very real victims here. very fragile and delicate ones, and you do not send the wolf back there to mingle with the sheep

that's the height of folly

or perhaps even worse, try to cover it up.....

italo:
If Bush went to war in contravention of US Law, then it can be said that he alone should be responsible. Why was Saddam Hussein Executed for using the institutions of the state at his disposal to commit crimes and not the whole of Iraq? Why were the Nazis tried and not Germany. When politicians use state institutions illegally to steal money, do you say "Nigeria stole Nigeria's money?" or 'Jonathan stole Nigeria's money?

Bros, Germany paid for their crimes. All of them. Clearly. that the nazis were singled out for special treatment does not mean the others did not feel the heat. Heck, even those that say aided Jews did feel some backlash as a result of their eediot countrymen's actions. the whole country/govt is sanctioned and what not when a war is lost, no? And btw, those not involved in the crimes certainly don't go around denying or defending the actions of the Nazis

that asides, bros, this again a misrepresentation of the situation. It is not Nigeria stole Nigeria. It is Nigeria sent BH to Benin to teach them about peace and love.

I hope you can spot the folly

italo:
That's the difference between the Church and the secular world. Nations, communities hardly ever apologize to one another even when the most heinous crimes are committed.

An apology is not always an indication that what I did is not good or was not for a good purpose...or was not a just and deserved recompense. An apology could just be a mark of politeness and/or humility.

If my mother scolds me in front of my friends for smoking at 15, she could apologize...but she hasn't done a bad thing. if you slap me and I slap you in return, I could apologize, but I haven't done you wrong.

There are many Atheistic and non-Atheistic govts through the ages that have tried to extinguish the Church, killing clergy, demolishing and confiscating Church property e.g China, N Korea, USSR, Albania, Roman Empire, Vietnam, Great Britain etc...who has ever made such a profound and public apology to the Catholic Church? Many Catholics fought against many Protestants...who has ever apologized to Catholics?

The Popes are just being the better people - humble and polite.

Black man don suffer

Really?

Is it also true that those ped0s did not mean to harm those kids? they heard the kids had problems with bowel movement, and figured that by sticking their pipis in certain places, they could fix them.

Yes, that's what happened!

And to top off the absurdness, now you're the one being persecuted?

Oya, among the many others, he also apologized to the women in your very own church. Please, do tell how these women persecuted you...

Slaves and galileo, just how did they wrong you?

Kayi...

these people could rap3 your mama, admit it, and you'd still defend them, it seems.

btw, who would you take more seriously, a slave or his mastah?

italo:
Olodo that just swallows any indoctrination that haters like you post on wikipedia...here's is the full text which your masters hid from you:


Can. 333 §1. By virtue of his office, the Roman Pontiff not only possesses power offer the universal Church but also obtains the primacy of ordinary power offer all particular churches and groups of them. Moreover, this primacy strengthens and protects the proper, ordinary, and immediate power which bishops possess in the particular churches entrusted to their care.

I like that I'm rubbing off on you, but I'd rather your sense was improved on rather than the colorful language.

Where exactly does it say that their primacy overrides that of the ultimate mastah in the vatican??

that they have some power does not mean that they don't answer to the oga at the top. they clearly do. it even states there that he protects them. they make it crystal clear in the previous passage that oga pope is the ultimate authority.....

In fact, IIRC, once upon a time oga pope use to roast heretics within his ranks. Do you understand what that implies?

italo:
I accept that the Catholic Church is the biggest charity and force for good in the world. I accept all Catholics are sinners, some with very grevious sins which contravene the teachings of the Church.

The reason you're seemingly outraged by pedophilia is probably because the Church kicks against it and many nations adapted their law to Church teachings. Islam is not against it. Many Atheists are even fighting that it should be legal for men to sleep with boys e.g nambla atheists. That's the difference, even when Catholics sin, they don't defend it, Atheist sin and try to legalize it.

Hmm. the bolded. what exactly have you been doing on this thread?!

You accept all catholics are sinners? Do you also accept the church has sinned?

All this talk of the catholic being the biggest charity. It also is supposed to be the biggest NPO on the planet in a sense, so no freaking surprise there bros. that's like being proud of the fact that there are more millionaires in the states than in any other country in the world. Admirable, perhaps, but doh... It's the biggest economy in the world so of course it would have the most millionaires....

What the heck makes nambla an atheist organization?? Are you just labeling any organization that's not theistic atheist?!

And I'm not appalled at just the ped0 situation in your church. I'm appalled at near all of it. I even mentioned your mafiosi bank, no? You focused on ped0s. [s]I'm guessing because something like guilt kicked in[/s]

Anyways, oga, while this was somewhat fun, it's clearly wasted on you so methinks I'm done. Any interested hopefully learned to stay well clear from your organization.

Kudos for now....I think..

italo:
Let me educate you.

When the official Church teaching and policy promotes and supports giving to charity, setting up charity homes etc...and members, arms of the Church and the whole Church itself do what the Church asks, with the full legal, spiritual and material backing of the whole universal Church...then we can rightly say: The Catholic Church is the biggest Charity in the world.

But when the official teaching and laws of the Church prohibits see outside of marriage, yet members, top officials of the Church defy the Church and rape little boys, we cannot say the Catholic Church is raping little boys. We say Fr X or Msgr Y is raping little boys in contravention of the laws of the Church.

When a Governor or minister is stealing money, you don't say Nigeria is stealing money.

When a government appoints a known looter to a post and he proceeds to loot then yes, I'd say the government is very responsible. Just as your church moved suspect ped0s around, rather than report them to local authorities.

Moving them around to other jurisdictions were they continued to work with...children

You say they don't represent the church? then do tell why they weren't sacked....

On another note bush invades iraq. Do you think Bush alone is responsible? I thought we have america to blame for that? Obviously stuff like that happens all the time. I mean here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apologies_made_by_Pope_John_Paul_II

A whole gaddem wiki page dedicated to your pope apologizing for crimes of your church

You think that pope, gods voice on earth that he's supposed to be, was misguided? Here's your current pope apologizing for past follies

http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/10845

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-01-25/pope-to-visit-sweden-apologizes-for-catholic-wrongs

So your masters can admit their institution has been wrong before while you, good ser African, are here doing what?

Chai...

But wait, mayhaps you have a case?! let's go back a bit, and focus on the issue of ped0s in particular

wiki: Canon law states,

The vicar of Christ.. . possesses full, immediate, and universal ordinary power in the Church, which he is always able to exercise freely. (Can. 331) (...) By virtue of his office, the Roman pontiff not only possesses power over the universal church, but also obtains the primacy of ordinary power over all particular churches and groups of them. (Can. 333) [230]

A Vatican spokesman contradicted the canon law above stating,

When individual institutions of national churches are implicated, that does not regard the competence of the Holy See. . . The competence of the Holy See is at the level of the Holy See.[230]

The Boston Globe compares this inconsistency to Pontius Pilate washing his hands stating the Holy See and the Pope have ultimate authority and responsibility over child abuse throughout the Catholic Church worldwide.[230]

Silvano Tomasi, the Holy See’s ambassador to the U.N. said that, the Vatican was not responsible for abusive priests because "priests are citizens of their own states, and they fall under the jurisdiction of their own country." but the United Nations report differed claiming that priests are “bound by obedience to the pope” under canon law the Vatican is accountable. The report also urged the Vatican to insist that priests and bishops involve the police in all abuse reports and end a “code of silence” leading to whistleblowers being “ostracized, demoted and fired.” [231]

So it seems like even your masters are panicking and trying to run away from this particular wahala...

too hot...lol

Suddenly, despite possessing 'full, immediate, and universal ordinary power in the Church' and 'also ... the primacy of ordinary power over all particular churches and groups of them', he is not responsible for actions of said church

that's as ridiculous and contradictory as your omnibenovelent, omnipotent god letting children die everyday from sheer hunger.

It does not compute, bros

Make up your minds. You can't have one without the other. For starters, you accept the (possibly) good and the (conspicuously) bad, or you deny both.

cloudgoddess:
Great find.

Moral licensing also explains why so many adult Christians perform horrible actions and show no remorse. Because they are forgiven by God, why do they need any human forgiveness?

It reminds me of an earlier post by johnydon22 I believe, addressing how the displacement of apologies and remorse that should be given to the humans who have been wronged, to the fictitious god entity instead (through prayer), is a major source of social malfunctioning amongst believers.

Oga pastoraio also highlighted these

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment


Another form of 'licensing', in a sense, but somewhat different I think

You could say they tend to go hand in hand

johnydon22:
Bro i think this is a Burden of proof reversal..[/b]

He doesn't need to prove to you there are no Atheist charities, its you that is supposed to prove if there is not ask the person who have tendency of doubt to provide proof for the negate..

Ahh, you're not familiar with italo, I see

Medicine, taste, someone

italo:
Can you prove that I can find atheist charities anywhere?

Can you prove that I can't prove that you can't prove $hit?

italo:


So you cant:

Prove that hospices were existing before the Catholic Church invented them.

Prove that any single body runs more schools, hospitals and charities than the Catholic Church.

Prove that any other organization has contributed 5% of what the Catholic Church has contributed to western civilization.

Make up your mind bros...

When your clergy are rap1ng little boys and aiding the mafia, it is not the Church's doing

When they give to charity, suddenly it is the Church's doing

italo:
No wonder there are religious and religion-inspired charities in every corner of the globe but we can't find Atheist charities anywhere.

Are the so-called "generous" children not making it to adulthood?

Lies!

Can you prove that you 'can't find atheist charities anywhere'?

orisa37:
The Road to Righteousness is Selfishness. The Road to Understanding is Ignorance. Atheist Children are simply ignorant and self centered while Religious Children have Understanding and always know that The Right is always right. Religious Children have The Faith in their genes. This makes them hopeful. Atheist Children have no faith and so they are hopeless and always silly.

thank you for demonstrating the religious spirit described in the op so clearly

Muafrika2:
Still European, just older?

Japanese, ~1500. And that era was a bit of a dark age for them due to warring.

they consider a few eras before that to be culturally superior, so there were likely quite a few 'prominent' folk before him that were atheistic as well

Anyways, it wasn't exactly controversial to them, seemingly at all sef, so I wouldn't expect too much info. then again, he did burn down some rather significant temples Apparently women and children included.... tbf to him though, they had insisted on mixing church and state for centuries. He well left alone (and encouraged) the sects that minded their business.

Note; above is essentially talking from my nyash, I'll need to confirm, so take with a grain of salt for now

PastorAIO:
I think that the behaviour of the children in this other article can be explained already by other research (Milgram experiment) that proves that when told to do something by an authority figure people are more likely to lose their natural empathy. The common thread is that once you have an authority for your actions outside of yourself, you are more likely to be a nasty person, but when you take responsibility for your own actions you're more likely to be a kinder person.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOYLCy5PVgM

There are also some prison experiments in a similar vain IRRC, even worse ethically IMO

I guess they're god is like the warden in those experiments, or the doctors in these ones....

hehehe

independent: Children from religious families are less generous and altruistic than their atheist contempories, a study has suggested

According to research published in Current Biology, those who were Christian and Muslim - other religions were not assessed - agreed with harsher punishments, were less generous when sharing and had a tendency to correct others.

Jean Decety, a neuroscientist at the University of Chicago, who looked at more than 1,000 children from around the world, said religion can encourage people to act badly because they think they have already done something "good" - like praying - at another time.

This is called "moral licensing", said Professor Decety.

"It’s an unconscious bias. They don’t even see that’s not compatible with what they’ve been learning in church," he said, according to Forbes.

Two tests were carried out to assess the levels of altruism and meanness in the five- to 12-year-olds. In the first, secular children, Christian children and Muslim children were all asked to share 30 stickers with another child - with children of no religion sharing more stickers with others.
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In the second test, the children watched videos of someone mildly pushing or shoving someone else and were asked to rate how "mean" the action was, and the level of appropriate punishment.

Compared to the other two groups, Muslims thought harmful actions were meaner and believed in harsher punishment. Christians judged the harm to be meaner than secular children - though there was no difference in their punitive ratings.

Yet religious parents believed, when questioned, that their child would be more altruistic than their faithless counterparts - appearing to be proven wrong in this study.

Religion may lead children to be more fixed in their view of what is right and wrong, and less ethical when considering different situations, the study concluded.

www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-children-are-more-selfish-than-atheist-children-say-us-neuroscientists-a6723596.html

So, moral licencing, you folk seem to learn it as kids.

No wonder you're wicked and incorrigible...

PastorAIO:
Maybe this article will address it fuller to your satisfaction:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/atheism-is-as-old-as-religion-new-study-suggests-a6879341.html

thank you kind ser. It does indeed clear things up. He seems to be suggesting we atheists were about as widespread then as we are now, and that is certainly not a common (or accepted historically, I presume, read: I dunno) notion. But he does seem to have data to back him up.

And this article from that site, perfect for a reasonable troll discussion