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Mr_Anony: You have very little understanding as well as a very low regard for religion and that is the reason why you find it absurd.

Within a religion, there are also checks and balances by which a person may be judged as saying the right or wrong thing. Priests disagree the same way philosophers disagree and physicists and biologists disagree.

I can almost bet you don't know which pastors are respected and which are not, the same way you don't know which physicists are most respected in their fields (assuming you are not a physicist) The only difference is that since you don't respect religion as much as physics, you see the young pastor genius as bad and the young physics genius as good

In the same way wearing a lab coat doesn't make you a scientist, wearing the suit equally does not make you a pastor. The question at the core is: does he know what it is he is talking about? If indeed he does, then fair-play to him, he is a wonder-kid. If he doesn't know what he is talking about, then he is a sham.

All I am saying is that you can't judge his ability/anointing armed only with his picture and the information that he is 11 years old.

Mr_Anony: Ok, but you do realize that if you really hold that we can know nothing, then we really cannot learn anything and knowledge becomes flawed.


Erhm.......I think you've messed up the uncertainty principle a bit if that's what you were talking about.
The uncertainty principle as I understand it is not that particles act 'weird' but that certain attributes of a particle can't be measured to precision i.e. the more certain you are about an attribute of the particle, the more uncertain you are about it's other attributes. e.g. If trying to measure the position of a particle, the mere act of observing it makes it's momentum uncertain - by observing the particle, photons of light hit it hence displacing it therefore the better your observation, the more uncertain your readings. However, I still don't see how your post explains "something out of nothing".


Here I'm afraid you are losing me.



I understand your analogy, however you are missing something here. The only way that two events can be simultaneous is if they are not in a causal relationship. To say that A caused B means that B could never have existed before A. It can happen faster or slower depending on intuition/point of view but never simultaneous. As your analogy shows, the two presidents are independently signing documents and not one causing the other to sign.
For the sequence to change, time has to flow in the opposite direction. Unfortunately for you, it doesn't. At least not in our universe.

CrazyMan: You atheists on this forum should know that It’s hard to move forward when you don’t know where you’re headed or why.

Your answer to my question simply shows that you people (atheist) are even more confused than most christians.

If you follow the believe of some people including you like I bolded here some people look at reincarnation I believe. Or some sort of dream (like those from the movie 'inception'), among many other options.

Then it shows clearly that you're heading towards nowhere.

Allow me to further more stress that God’s plan gives us (his children) the answers to life’s most basic questions like, Where did I come from? What’s my purpose here? And, What happens when I die?

Knowing the answers gives us hope and helps us find peace and joy. You should also know that your life didn’t begin at birth and it won’t end at death. Before you came to earth, your spirit lived with your Heavenly Father who created you. You knew Him, and He knew and loved you. It was a happy time during which you were taught God’s plan of happiness and the path to true joy.

But just as most of us leave our home and parents when we grow up, God knew you needed to do the same. He knew you couldn’t progress unless you left for a while. So he allowed you to come to earth to experience the joy—as well as pain—of a physical body.

One thing that makes this life so hard sometimes is that we’re out of God’s physical presence. Not only that, but we can’t remember our pre-earth life which means we have to operate by faith rather than sight. God didn’t say it would be easy, but He promised His spirit would be there when we needed Him. Even though it feels like it sometimes, we’re not alone in our journey.

At least we christians have a strong believe on that matter. You atheists don't. If I sit ten different atheists and ask them this question, I strongly believe that they would give me ten different answers.

To be honest, I'd rather believe in the biblical definition than some reincarnation Or some sort of dream like those from the movie. Such believe sounds ridiculous.

Thus I come to a final conclusion by saying you guys are all confused...if not, prove me otherwise.

CrazyMan: @All the atheist...

Do you believe in life after death?

If yes, please explain.

If no please explain.

Mr_Anony: Lol, you may as well say that we cannot possibly know anything.

Mr_Anony: Notice in my argument, I am not using "supernatural" as a place holder to explain what I don't know. All I have said is that if spacetime originates from something, then that thing cannot be subject to spacetime. if this is true, then a realm not subject to spacetime must exist. For naming purposes, I have called it "supernatural" if you like, we can call it the anti-spacetime realm since you don't seem to take kindly to the word supernatural.

Mr_Anony: What about black holes?

Mr_Anony: Now this is what you may call speculation. If you could overcome c, you wouldn't have simultaneous events in one frame rather you would have fast-forwarded events at best as the value of c tends to infinity. The sequence will still apply. If you eliminate c, then you must define another means of communication else you wouldn't be describing our universe at all and that's where the real speculation begins.

Avicenna: I'm surprised you bothered.

vislabraye: To all the atheist in the house. I'll ask you a questio: How did the world come to be? I'm sure u would quote Charles Darwin evolution theory:

If you really want to know whether God exists, you should be a good student of history. The Bible is historically and scientifically acurate.
I'm sure you all know that Jesus came to earth. It was prophesied many thousands of years before h came by prophet Isaiah, Ezekiel and the likes. These prophesies are in the ancient manuscript.
If you still question the existence of God, I'm suppose that you know devil exists.
If you don't, why don't you visit a shrine in Togo or Ijebu and eat the sacrifice.
They say experience is the best teacher. I also advise you to go to a crusade and see live miracles.

You atheists have not seen any of these because all you do is to sit at home and watch BBC. Its laziness on your part. You live in Africa and there are lots of proofs to show that there's supernatural event.
I can narrate to you how I witnessed a supernatural healing. Not once, not twice.

I've experienced several miracles in my short stay on earth.

Mr_Anony: If you notice, so far we have only agreed that a supernatural must exist and it must not be subject to natural laws and spacetime. The second thing we have talked about is that in such a realm, an eternal being can very well exist i.e a being i.e. infinite with regards to space and time. Also, we have demonstrated that if a supernatural cause brought about the cosmos, then it follows that elements from the supernatural can affect the natural though not necessarily vice-versa for now.

About the issue of relativity, elements within the universe still remain finite and still cause things to happen as the communication c is such that time moves only in one direction. therefore even though the rates may differ depending on the observer, the events remain the same.

Mr_Anony: Why not?

Mr_Anony: If the universe has a 'supernatural' cause, then it means that the supernatural can influence the natural.
What rules does it have? We don't know at this stage however we know what rules it does not have i.e. spaceless and timeless or at least not as we know space and time.


I don't understand what you mean here when you use the word "intuitively"

Mr_Anony: Oh yes I did

Mr_Anony: A realm beyond the natural

Mr_Anony: Jesus Christ: His life, His death, His resurrection

mkmyers45: Referring to wave/particle paradox or the uncertainty principle?

CrazyMan: Satan like I explained earlier is a being that God uses to test the loyalty of his people.

If you take your time to read my previous posts, you would notice that I've answered your remaining questions.

CrazyMan: Actually I didn't quite get your question that's why I answered it with biblical quotes. Now I think I quite get you.

People suffer as. Result of disobedience just like I stated earlier.

I know that most people find it very difficult to believe that God who said he loves his creations can actually allow them fight and kill each other without him doing anything.

You must note that the earth is dominated mainly by the forces of darkness...evil dwells on the earth and you and I are fully aware of that.

Now to you question. Its not God's wish that his children should suffer. People suffer as a result of the path they choose.

In as much as there still some iota of good in this world, people prefer the dark side. Take Nigeria for example, we are one of the most religious countries in the world, but ironically, we are country with one of the highest crime rate.

God like I stated earlier created man to obey him. He kept us here on earth with satan to test our loyalty towards him.

He knew there is evil that's why he kept us here. And he has given us the necessary weapons we need to overcome evil.

Its now left for you to either succeed or to fail.

CrazyMan: God exists

Allow me to prove it with science

You must note that If a being exists, its explanation must also exist. And its existence is explained either by itself or by another.

Now for millions of people around the globe to including well learned proffessurs open websites, start seminars, open a tv channel just to support or oppose the fact that he (God) exists should be enough reason to tell you that he does exist. Because if he doesn't believe me people including you who made this post wouldn't bother themselves. People love to talk when this kind of issue comes up because they know deep down that something exists up there. They just want a proper conviction.


Also, take a look at the human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain is said to process more than a million messages a second. Have you ever asked yourself how possible that is without the help of a supernatural being.

Even scientists have tried over the years to produce a cloned human just to prove that humans are mere mortals, but guess what, they have failed and they would keep failing becaus they can never create what God took his precious time to create.

Secondly, the brain as you and I know fully well, functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

Have you ever asked yourself what powers this wonderful device to keep running without any form of malfunction, because you cannot possibly make me believe that such a wondeful device appeared into the body of man.

You must also note that animals also have brains...but what differinciates theirs from ours is that ours was specially created to rule and dominate.

This should be enough evidence to prove that God exists.

God exists and that's why.

CrazyMan: You still didn't prove to me that God doesn't exist.

fellis: Got it. I was going to make a comment about the bolded but then I read the last sentence.

Interesting. This is the first time I'm coming across that saying.


Lol.
I have to settle down to read and reply that mail so I might not be able to reply soon.