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Reyginus: When did persecution become the only form of guilt?
You can do better. I get it now. When atheists create threads to mock religionists and God it is not intolerance but tolerance.

Reyginus: Wiegraf, why do you have to quote me without adding anything to it? Is it a form of artful dodging or what?

musKeeto: yeah, the poor lady was hit by a deluded black male..

obadiah777: pay for what ? slappin a winch ? it is not written in the nigerian constitution that you should not slap a winch.

abproffy: Ɣ☺ΰ see the pastor is a specialist in spiritual matters, perhaps slapping the girl was the only to free her of her unclean spirit

Anwari: Atheism is a False Doctrine
Atheists deny the existence of God(Creator)and challenge all believers to prove it which according to Atheists cannot be proven.
The question to Atheists should be... provide proof that God/Architect of the Universe does NOT exist. The Christians or the Believers are the ones asked to provide the proof of his existence.
At long last someone, Dr Joseph Noor, has appear on the scene that will for once and all prove that Richard Dawkins and the false doctrine of Atheism belongs in the trash can.
His book "Direct Evidence of God's Existence" which took 30 years of research to complete, creates at last a convincing argument
of God's existence. In short Joseph Noor re-examines an ancient text which he calls "Document X". His study uncovers new evidence and startling information about the origin and development of the Universe and Life.
In clear scientific language the document expresses its superior knowledge of the universe revealing its deep secrets and thereby demonstrating that the
answers to these issues are not the outcome of human imaginations, but rather based on divine knowledge and proof of the existence of God.
This is an extraordinary claim but one cannot argue against the rather extraordinary evidence of his 600 page book.
Dr Joseph Noor's argument is simple yet devastating to atheists and creationist. His website is www.documentx.net

okeyxyz: As far as this thread is concerned, the issue is polygamy(or polyandry) and it's evolution through human cultures/religions, I'm interested to see how christians and non-christians truly(not the blatant lies) interpret it.

As regards your exchanges with @PAGAN_9JA concerning homos.exuality, I find them also interesting but I refuse to participate while on this thread for the obvious reason of not derailing. I'd rather you guys open a new thread and I promise to "spill my guts" on the matter.

PAGAN 9JA:
brother wiegraf. maybe you are right. i really dont know. i felt a bit bad for the words i said after watching this phillipino Tagalog song with english translation) that i came across. it so sa.

check it out if you must. dont laugh. just bear through the whole video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtE9adF8iZQ

seriallink: I agree with u on that; all I want to see atheists on nairaland doing is criticising satanism too bcoz there are a lot of satanists here! Atleast that would make christians & muslims feel u're not on satan's side, simple! I'm not against any atheist but I want to see them balanced on their believes. Thanx

Reyginus: And atheism is not guilty ? Isnt it hypocritical that the same atheism that criticizes religion, is guilty of the same crime they accuse the religionists of?

Reyginus: Inaddition, the greater the followers the lesser the tolerance.

Mr_Anony: Lol, wow, so we have now come to the point in our debate where you have resorted to snide remarks and name-calling........Why didn't I get the memo?
Oh well, too bad

Reyginus: Which examples?

fellis: Stealing pounds implicated kennedy enormously.
POUND

Mr_Anony: No I don't hold that the universe revolves around us what I am saying is that animals do not suffer in the way we do. They do not ask existential questions or seek for meaning, they just try to survive. (for an animal, survive=good, perish=bad) Therefore since animals don't have a concept of good and evil as we do, it will be inappropriate to make moral judgments about animal activities not to talk of very low level organisms such as fungi and ants.



bollocks!
I have given you an explanation based on God as I know Him. God is not a genie. His job is not to fulfill your every wish just how you want it.






Lol, was that what you were hoping I'd say? poor you, you are yet to even present the problem properly. You are at best projecting an image you think to be God and attacking that image.

Mr_Anony: No my friend, it was not days of deliberation I just didn't want to tackle a long post at the time but that's by the way.

The response I gave you is one that follows from your response. Remember we started about natural evils and not moral evils but you are making a moral judgment when you ascribe personality to an ant and how an ant suffers when it is being eaten by fungi. My point is this; If you describe that as evil, then all existence might as well be evil because organisms must feed.

This is all you've done so far in your attempt to disprove God: "I don't like X, therefore God must also not like X and because God is able to stop X and doesn't stop it, God must not exist"

News Flash: God's purpose is not to pander to your whims. That is the job of a genie. Also, God doesn't have to answer to you by explaining all His purposes in detail to you.

I have told you from the start that God is all-loving and love means that some suffering can be allowed to happen. The divide between you and I is that while I am describing God as I know Him, you are describing an omniscient genie. The problem is that you are then turning around to make it sound as if my God is the same as your genie.

I accepted the challenge based on natural evils where man suffers and doesn't understand why He suffers. He can't blame any other conscious being other than nature for his suffering. For instance, a volcano erupts and destroys a whole village and stuff like that and we wonder why this happens.

(It is a tough question as you can see I am not making it any easier for myself because I really want to tackle it. However what I will not entertain is unreasonable arguments like when you start humanizing animals just to call evil upon their "misfortunes", or illogical arguments like suggesting that a being who knows everything cannot know that their is another being that knows more)


I will not yield yet until I am sure I can't give a suitable answer. lol

Mr_Anony: Maybe there isn't any evil at all just events happening


You missed the point of the analogy. The point was to show you that from your vantage point, you cannot make the call on what the best solution is.


And what is evil about and organism consuming another organism?


If the examples you gave as evil are anything to go by then you don't have a good definition of evil. Evil is not automatically the same as suffering. When you kill a goat to make stew, it is just as evil as a virus eating you from the inside out. It is just one organism consuming another.


like I said, evil does not equal suffering. You are not asking for God, you are asking for a genie to take your pain away and make you feel better.

Lol, the meaning of omniscient is that God knows everything and his knowledge is limitless. If this is true, then your question is invalid. You can only rightfully ask that question if you claim that God is not omniscient. Then that means that you too will also be asking me to accept you claims based on blind faith.


My point simply is this, your choices are free and yours to make. The consequences are beyond your control because other people are equally making choices. You cannot eat your cake and have it my friend, the universe doesn't revolve around you, you know.

As for the programmer, the only way the flaws of the AI are his own is if he takes away their freedom to choose and personally makes every choice for them.


Lol, it is interesting how when people want to disprove God, they resort to logical nonsense. Truth and false are not objects or actions that one can be responsible for, they are attributes of being. One is a deviation from the other.

PAGAN 9JA:
its really obvious isnt it most of the people in this world are hetero, almost ALL. so obvioulsy there will be more hetero r.apist compared to homo ones. but still if you compare with the population of each, then homo r.apists are definitely high. i was talking about non-consentious. it is still disgusting . It is anti-African culture.

PAGAN 9JA:
infact they are harming us. have you heard of how in U.S. prisons, homosexual men ra.pe other men in jail. i can understand that r.ape in any form is evil. but a man loses all his dignity and honour when someone sticks his thing into his backside. i want to be honest with you. ho.mosexuals scare me. expecially on account of personal experience of a narrow escape i had where a group of them once tried to lure me into coming with them in the UK subway. trust me , you should see the hunger in their eyes . it is disgustingly scary.

honestly i dont know what to say. i have to still research this strange phenomena. i am not saying that all gays are like tht. i am not so narrow. but i have not yet reserved my judgement on this.

PAGAN 9JA:
im really confused on gays. it doesnt occur much among other creatures if at all neither among my people. i have not reserved my judgement on this yet.