₦airaland Forum

birdman:
Wise up and stop this grammar. COAS is the presidents kinsman or very close buddy while CDS is the figurehead used to appease other groups. Check Buharis govt fir example. Wise up..dont be like GEJ who replaced Ihejirika, his ally as COAS with someone else. You see how it ended? For the third time i tell you, wise up... And pay attention

THE QUESTION WAS.................... Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior?

NOT NIGERIAN POLITICAL OR MILITARY POWER PLAY, NEPOTISM AND FAVOURTISM! If you pay attention to the most basic detail you will have the most basic commonsense response!

the face looks like he's been eating similar creature for long time

Years later he probably regretted it after seeing so many ibo drugs and contraband criminals today!
one free ibo person can become a complete generation of local and global criminals!

izzou:


Watch how the free thinkers will come and give us 1001 reasons why God doesn't exist
God is God, and will forever remain God. He doesn't need our belief to make him God.

Of course he is a creation that lives in the narrow minded, illiterate and primitive heads of you and other naive cannon fodder...Your evidence is he made things that educated people know are nothing to do with with some imaginary spiritual missing in action creature!

small minds = small minded religious fools! - most of these fools are to be found in 3rd world countries where education and commonsense are scarce.

another ibo man destroys Nigerian passport!

birdman:
are you a leaner? chief of defence is a figurehead. COAS is the one that has the power to orchestrate or stop coups

na wah o.

-This person is basing their argument on certaIN ROGUE COAS like IBB and Abacha for their comment.
--A GOC, Brigade commander or even ADC can initiate coup, succeeding does not make these lower rankers anything more than OPPORTUNISTS!
---Seniority is in the dustbin in a coup (yes only coup) situation!!!

The CDS is the tri-Service commander and is a senior rank compared to COAS. The CDS has the power to gather troops from army, Airforce and NAvy to form a joint task force, unit or armed forces special forces team! COAS cannot do that!!!
The CDS can do that because he outranks the COAS, CAS and CNS!

The CDS controls the discipline, moral and professional life of everything in the armed forces (Defence staff), including the COAS, CAS and CNS. He is the CHIEF (yes chief) of defence staff (all defence staff) - if you wear a military uniform he is your boss!

So please shut up and stop displaying your ignorance!

HeGeMon:
What ur saying is pure text book stuff, but in practice the powers of the COAS is overwhelming & for GOCs is purely for the COAS, they are his main men, that is why we have redeployment when a new chief is appointed, do u knw that at a point in this country a certain COAS ran the affairs of this country, as far as appointing CDI, as well as deploying troops even before DHQ clearance, do u knw Gen. IHEJIRIKA, why do u think if there is a coup scare, only the assurance of the COAS is important**

The power of the COAS is overwhelming & for GOCs are purely for the COAS,
-----YES within the direct reporting and administration context!
-----NO GOC can carry out operations without the approval of DHQ which the CDS is part of, unless in coup situation!

Redeployment when a new chief is appointed is purely an exercise for COAS to demand loyalty, appoint his trusted associates and to remove any security threats
----- IT must be approved by the DHQ

Yes! at a point in this country a certain COAS ran the affairs of this country, as far as appointing CDI - Only happens in coup, power struggle, tribalism, incompetence situations.
---It cannot happen in the current structure unless Buhari and mansur dan ali are playing Hausa/Fulani hegemony politics or prefential treatment again!

Longman6:
Yes they would, infact the present NSA Advisor is a retired Major-General, the CDS, and Burtai, report to him. Not even the Minister of Defence has the power at his disposal. In the US only the smartest of individuals: professors, ex military guys, diplomat become NSA, google the NSA and you would know what am saying, Its purely an intellectual position in saner climes. A good NSA adviser would stop the Biafra movement before it started without the army shooting a gun, he would know that solving the Boko haram problem can be archieved through creating employment which would inturn limit the number of recruits available for Boko Haram, he would know that education is needed to solve the problem totally.

only the finest of men become NSA in China, us,UK and France.

In Nigeria here are some of the power he has
1 He can see the president at any fuuuuuking time nobody can stop him.
2 His appointment is not confirmed by anybody.
3 only the president can order his arrest:he knows to much, for instance Sambo wasnt sacked immediately Buhari came into power, and only the president can give orders for his investigation
4 His budgetary allocation isnt even under the juridiction of the Minister of Finance or CBN governor(Okonjo IWEAlLA cont question Dasuki's request), he could demand any amount from the treasury as long as the president assets to it.
5 He has the finest Millitary men at his disposal inform of special units who answer to no one except himself and the president.
6 He over see's all arms procurement for the millitary.
7 He is the last stop in all matters concerning security before the president.
8 He answers to no one except the president

In the US, the NSA is supported by Four(not sure) assistant NSA who have experience in different sector, he cordinates the powerful National Security Agency,CIA, FBI and other government agencies...

The CDS, and Burtai, DO NOT report to the NSA, they advise him on state security matters within their roles which he then briefs the president on.

The Minister of Defence is a more powerful role because he actually has the resources to intervene militarily in security information gathering and operations!

The NSA by virtue of his direct reporting capabilities to the president uses it to influence not only security matters but also defence due to the interloping roles! He could advice the president on something that will become a direct order to the defence chiefs. He could also use his briefs to indict military and defence chiefs.

The service chiefs report into DHQ directly and to the president depending on the issues' importance and priorities!

MANY NSA ACTUALLY WANT TO END UP AS DEFENCE MINISTERS (cabinet level job)

On occasion, the president might assign the role of specific budget and co-ordinating task to the NSA in which case the DHQ will report to him on those specifics - like the boko haram issue and DASUKI billion dollar weapons program!

The NSA DOES not oversee all arms procurement for the military - your Nigerian mentality kicked in here due to Dasuki matter!

The Service chiefs brief the DHQ on their requirements (upkeep, ordinance, welfare, administration costs etc.) and the DHQ includes it in the annual defence budget request to the presidency. What the NSA can do is ask for additions for special operations (boko haram) and ad-hoc contingencies!

He is NOT last stop in all matters concerning security before the president, the NSA is a co-ordinator of security but he is not the only security apparatus directly available and reporting to the president. The president gets security briefs from Embassies, spy chiefs, DHQ, SSS, DIA and others directly which are also sometimes shared with the NSA depending on for whose ears ONLY!

HeGeMon:
The COAS is the main deal because he holds the loyalty of all divisions of the Army, he can move troops & rotate GOCs & battalion commanders as at when he feels necessary, & doing so commands loyalty within the Army, which is the largest & most formidable in the armed forces, the CDS is more of a ceremonial head to coordinate joint ops within the DHQ such as Joint Task force Ops safe haven,Ops Lafiya dole, Ops pulo shield, & various activities within the banner of the Defence Structure, also he reports directly on behalf of other service chiefs to the president. But strategically, the COAS is more critical than the CDS. Appointment better pass rank oo.

The COAS is ONLY one of the main deal in the chain of command, the loyalty of all divisions of the Army is to the people of Nigeria THROUGH the COAS, CDS, defence minister and President.


The COAS can issue APPROVED ORDERS to move troops & rotate Brigade and battalion commanders as at when he feels necessary (but must memo defence ministry), GOC appointments is at higher level but the COAS announces it when approved!

The CDS is NOT a ceremonial head to coordinate joint ops within the DHQ, the CDS is the principal commander for administration, morale, discipline and budget for the ARMED FORCES!!!

The COAS is NOT more critical than the CDS, the commander of the ARMED FORCES (aka CDS) is more HOLLISTIC in considering the combined forces strategy and operational abilities. The COAS is a commander of AN ARM of the defence forces, he does not have oversight of all Forces (army, Navy, air force - the CDS does)

COAS does not command troops, he issues orders to direct reporting units (GOC, Brigade, Battalion) ONCE appoved by the president and Defence HQ which the CDS is part of)

Hierachy =
Highest - President
2nd DHQ - (CDS, Defence minister, minister of state)
3rd - COAS, CNS, CAS

I suspect an ibo person is responsible.

Trueigbo:
President Muhammadu Buhari’s Personal Assistant on Social Media, Lauretta Onochie, on Sunday alleged that some members of the political elite in Nigeria travelled to Niger Republic and India among other countries to hire marabouts to ensure the President dies.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1530427516996891&id=100000889720395

I don't think that some Nigerians understand the disgrace associated with primitive and backward comments they make.
These comments get on CNN and BBC and Nigerians around the world are disgraced as illiterates!

I mean who on this earth still believe in juju and these nonsense, WHO

OkoNDOoBo:
we re in a democratic dispensation, there is a section of Nigeria's constitution that vested power on the CDS, all the theories you formulated about coas re not applicable under this dispensation.
democracy is about chain of command and authority.
constitutionally all the service chiefs re answerable to CDS.
Section 217 of the 1999 Constitution (as amended) establishes the Armed Forces of the Federation and prescribes in Section 218 that the command and operational use of the Armed forces shall be vested with the President. Then the laws proceed to consolidate and solidify the powers and position of the Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) in the Military chain of command.
Armed Forces Act cap A20 LFN 2004, which provides for the command, maintenance and administration of the Armed Forces provides a clearer picture. Section 7 of the Act entrust the day-to-day command and operational use of the armed forces to the CDS. At the top of the chain command
the question of the thread is about superior not influential,.
we can't rely on theories against what the constitution stands for.
in order not to mislead people here ,the CDS is the superior of all the service chiefs in the chain of command.
any other thing can be treated as a conspiracy theory

Well said,
many Nigerians actually only believe pastors, imams and their tribal representatives. If the information does not come from these groups it cannot be true.

Alexkene:
Thanks for the explanation. Yours is the most meaningful.
So where does the National security adviser come in / fall in.
Who is he more superior too / who is more superior to him
Thanks

Basic definition =
The NSA is a manager of all matters relating to internal and external threats to Nigeria. anything that can compromise Nigeria's security, national interests and sovereignty. He gets his intelligence from SSS, DIA, embassies, spies, and the armed forces and then briefs the president and recommends adequate response. It is powerful because he can implicate the service chiefs and other spy agency chiefs in coups or not doing their jobs well. That is why Sambo Dasuki was powerful.

TonyeBarcanista:
The CDS has no OPERATIONAL control over a single unit except joint operations, which is even rare.
The COAS can only be disciplined by the C-in-C not the CDS.

-The composition of the armed forces is already a joint operation so yes the CDS has oversight over troop commanders but will rarely do it so as not to usurp the role of the COAS. It is just a traditional thing!
The CDS can go to Sambisa forest and ask for update on operations from the task force commander if he chooses to do so! He will rather send the COAS or GOC or Brigade commander - through their direct reporting commanders

-The COAS can receive memos and reprimands from the CDS on matters relating to discipline, operations and administration if he chooses... so yes, Again he will rarely do it!

The CDS and Defence minister can reprimand the COAS in many ways relating to operations, budget, administration and morale!

bedspread:
CDS IS SENIOR IN RANK
BUT THE CDS NA CEREMONIAL POST
CAS COMMANDS MORE TROOP.
IN THE REAL SENSE PMB WILL RATHER KEEP BURATAI AS CAS THAN MAKE HIM CDS

Yes, but some corrections

1, Traditionally in Nigeria: Chief of Army staff = COAS (not CAS) - Chief of Air staff = CAS
2, The COAS and CDS do not command troops, the GOCs and Brigade commanders do.
3, The relationships between the CDS or COAS to the troops depends what loyalties they get directly from the troop commanders!
4, The CDS is a FULL 4 star general while the COAS is a 3 star Lt General. The CDS is by far superior and he can contact the Troop commanders directly if he feels the COAS is compromised! The CDS is the top military uniformed commander in the armed forces. The minister of defence and Minister of state for defence only have political and administrative oversight, although they can issue presidential orders to the CDS and COAS!

Lebanese are not white people.
Africans are illiterate, naive and ignorant of racial and ethnic profiles so they usually describe anything lighter than them as whites.

Most Lebanese look no different from Moroccans and Algerians!

If stu.pid Nigerians did not treat these arab terrorists as whites this will not happen.
This same sand monkey is called paki and rag head by white people!

Ogene001:
They said Biafra will not survive without oil, but Microsoft is richer than shell. Lazy Nigerians

No, they said Biafra will not survive without DRUG dealing!
for every single ibo writer, technologist, doctor, engineer THERE are 99 DRUG pusher, contraband importer, 419 conman and human head dealer!

Any comment by Lai Mohammed is automatically a LIE until proven otherwise.
If the government want credibility they should prevent Lai Mohammed from making comments on their behalf!

waste of time, MOST recruitments in Nigeria involves bribe or who you know.

head will be missing soon, ibo man will use it for ego

Stu.pid fool, trust Nigerians to get it wrong...ignorant dumbo.

Ibo people want to leave because they have destroyed the Nigerian reputation all over the world. They have used Nigerian passports to commit some of the worst repugnant crimes in the world like drugs, 419, contraband, toxic waste, human head and body part selling.

They have made money criminally using the Nigerian name and now they want to leave it for the rest of Nigerians to suffer.

After selling drugs all over the world to build their businesses they now want to be known as Biafra while other Nigerians keep getting harrased and humuliated for the crimes ibos have committed!

The old fool may be stui.pid but we are not all like him

today he is a looter of public money!

yes Nigerians always talk about bagging big degrees but never use the degrees for anything innovative!

this stu.pid african gets on cnn and they will say africans are still in 6th century.

what hairstyle?
You mean the dead persons attachment she is walking around with

remove the dead person hair and wash off the makeup lets see

sweetgala:
Shall I include OBJ who they unilaterally installed and got re-elected even when OBJ waged war on some of the northern political elite.
There is not one politician in SW more culturally Yoruba than Baba Iyabo

Get it right pls.
If there is one time northerners caved in to southern demands it is the aftermath of Abiola's death and Abacha's barbarism...Northerners did not only face Yoruba backlash but global outrage - OBJ is nothing but a peace offering for that!

1, Because he and his family members who steal it from the economy to make it scarce are out of the country.

2, The world's markets does not trust muslim governments

3, He is perceived locally and globally as incompetent!

Rubbish,

Northern Leaders always Work Against any and all Southern led Governments!