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TenQ:
I can only laugh at your mulish ignorance.

You asked me to get a Qur'an, and I told you my first English hardcopy Qur'an .

Reading the Qur'an took me away from Islam permanently.

I am sure you don't know Ahmed Deedat ? I read all his books then.

Dr Zakir Naik is a disciple of Ahmed Deedat.

The book you asked me to Read was what drove me away from Islam just as I was about reciting the Shahada.

Ask Questions!

Prettygirl200:
Sorry for the breakfast madam op. What I will advice u is this, do not give the whole of your heart to a Nigerian guy, bc they will break it and shatter it to pieces if u must date den don't make any sacrifices or give the whole of u. That's my one cent.

TenQ:
I can never forget my 200L years ago. I was almost reciting the Shahada! My first English Qur'an was the Glorious Qur'an by Marmaduke Pickthall. I was following Ahmed Deedat like a fly will follow a rotten corpse.

Everything came to a stop because I WAS READING the Qur'an. I saw so may irreconcilables! Unlike you Muslims who should not question the Qur'an, I asked questions and the answers fell flat. So many things were wrong and didn't add up.

The final blow was wrecked when I started reading the hadiths in the state library. I'm sure Arabian night stories could have done better.

So bro!
I've come a long way with Islam, the only difference is that unlike you, I just don't memorise, I ask questions!

On my phone, I have at least five or six Qur'an Apps. The more you seek the truth, the farther it will lead you away from Islam.

Sorry bro to disappoint you!

DonroxyII:
Kobo no well like that o
He who Controls the Philosophies controls the language :

People no for dey say book difficult if our education were to be in Our Mother's tongue:

I know How much I Tey suffer for oral English ... My Teeth nearly comot and Person go dey bite tongue anyhow ....

But na Arabic be their problem and we have been using English since when was African Colonised and Missionary Pops Up

TenQ:
Why dodge the question as if you are blind?

Tongue tied?

Uthman destroyed every variant Qur'an and preserved and circulated only the one from the Quraysh dialect. Where are the several Dialects of the Qur'an from?

This narrative was used to defend why there exist only one Arabic Quran in the world. Any answer?

DonroxyII:
are you from England ? If no why was your education and all the theories therein were not translated into your fathers/mothers tongue?

Why did you use English all through Your life !

TenQ:
Lame excuses as I ALSO gave you at least TWO website links to read. But no! You've sealed up your mind against knowledge of the truth.

At least Muslims are agreeing that there are other Qurans BUT they are only DIALECTS!

If these are Dialects, then the narrative of perfectly preserved Quran down to the letter is deflated!

You've not answered this question o:

If Uthman destroyed ALL the variants of the Qur'an and circulated ONLY the Hafs version of the Qur'an, Where are these other Qurans coming from?
1. Did Uthman fail in his mission?
2. Did Uthman preserve the other 7 or 10 dialects?
2. Did the Hadiths lie about Uthman?

TenQ:
I've given you a non YouTube website if you will read.

https://friendlyexmuslim.com/holes-in-the-quran-textual-variants-and-lost-verses/


Again another YouTube site

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax5S7Vg9-Yw

Here is a Muslim speaking on the same topic you refute vehimently


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsikKJg4ETw

TenQ:
Critics must have an identity!

Who fabricated them? Christians!?

When?
How?
Where?

These Qurans are in use in Sudan, Morocco, Syria, are different. Most of North African Muslims use the Warsh Qur'an instead of the Hafs Qur'an.

If Uthman destroyed all the other variants of the Qur'an except the Hafs, were are all these "different recitations" coming from? by now ALL alternate dialects should not exist or did Uthman preserve all the 30 plus Qur'ans?


Just ask questions: you will find the truth

TenQ:
Fabricated Qurans!?
Who fabricated them? Christians!?

When?
How?
Where?

Just ask questions: you will find the truth

TenQ:
The greatest weakness of Muslims is that they don't ask questions


Ask questions and Study: you shall surely find ANSWERS that leads to the TRUTH!

TenQ:
Fabricated Qurans!?
Who fabricated them? Christians!?

When?
How?
Where?

Just ask questions: you will find the truth

Kobojunkie:
So Islam goes the way the world does in these things?

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry what? You admitted that even with the restrictions, Islam remains plagued with these errors. So?

Islam is perfect? OK

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! I call them groups because they call themselves groups.

2. The standard wasn't set by me so I am not the one who decides who is better than whom. Jesus Christ, is the standard Himself, and He declared since over 2000 years ago that those who refuse to obey Him, but follow their own laws and ideas, don't belong to Him. It is that simple.

The conflict you imagine here was not created in the minds of men but by Jesus Christ Himself, so only the confusion you imagine are of men were also created by Jesus Christ in order to eliminate those who do not conform to His Truth and way.

3. The book does not preach anything to you - it is not a holy book. Jesus Christ is not limited by the book or any book.

Kobojunkie:
The saying that Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results comes to mind.

TenQ:
That is exactly why I asked you to do your own research after watching each of the videos.

1. If by what Muslims say about when Mohammed is recieving recitations from Jubril, it is impossible that seven different dialects would be dictated by Mohammed for his followers to memorize.

2. The narrative of the "perfectly preserved Qur'an down to the dots" is punchored by the existences of these other Arabic Qurans.

3. Your sheikhs and imams seem to know about these but it baffles me that they sold a wrong narrative to Muslims until the bubble began to burst.

Ask questions and Study: you shall surely find ANSWERS that leads to the TRUTH!

TenQ:
That is exactly why I asked you to do your own research after watching each of the videos.

1. If by what Muslims say about when Mohammed is recieving recitations from Jubril, it is impossible that seven different dialects would be dictated by Mohammed for his followers to memorize.

2. The narrative of the "perfectly preserved Qur'an down to the dots" is punchored by the existences of these other Arabic Qurans.

3. Your sheikhs and imams seem to know about these but it baffles me that they sold a wrong narrative to Muslims until the bubble began to burst.

Ask questions and Study: you shall surely find ANSWERS that leads to the TRUTH!

Kobojunkie:
But what you say you are afraid of has been happening for over 1500 years in that same islam, so ?

Kobojunkie:
1. I have to confess that I am having a seriously hard time understanding you still.

2. What do you mean when you say they give different narratives to the same book?

3. What you call Christianity is instead a Constitution, a Law consisting of about 100 Laws, imagine a contract agreement, given to individuals (not groups) for living in the Kingdom of God with restriction that no one can add, change or remove commandments from this Law. So when you have groups that use the Christian Logo but adopt additional rules/commandments for themselves, it is just another group not really interested in what Jesus Christ has to offer and that is fine by Jesus Christ.

So, no, what you describe with Islam is nothing at all like what Christianity is about. The Law is meant to filter out those who do not confirm, not include at any cost.

TenQ:
Of course you can translate the bible into any language you like even as a Moslem.

But, let me expose you gradually to the truth that has been hidden from you by your Umar

1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdECD-9ErBI


2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y7eWEjBBw4

3. A longer version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoMB8nJWmw

You can then search by yourself as you shouldn't believe them.
Ask questions from your Sheikhs and make sure they make sense to you.


The Qur'an is said to be revealed in 7 different styles or dialects. If this is true, how did the other 25 codex come up. Are they fabrications?

Which of the 30 plus Qur'an is the words of Allah?

Kobojunkie:
So you are insinuating that part of the reason for wanting to maintain it all in one language in Islam also has to do with competition- not wishing to be sidelined by other books out there of the same name?

Kobojunkie:
You are still not making any sense in this. From the beginning,

From its very beginning, the belief has been plagued with errors and you have been trying to control the problem by restricting it to just the one language. Yet the problem continues. How exactly does doing the same thing that you have been doing for over a 1000 years, with continued failure by the way, sound like the meaningful thing to continue with ?

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Everyone can write their own copies of the Bible if they wish to this since God never told people they had to believe in a book in order to believe in Him.

Kobojunkie:
But isn't that pretty much what continues to Islam to this day? This destruction not coming from the outside but from right within Islam itself?

What does it mean for a version to be better than another's?

TenQ:
The truth is bitter!?

Why don't you look at why so many Muslim scholars are against YQ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftFjrRjPjrk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANo6dXc2i-0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqQBVtUWvo

Do you care for the truth?

Kobojunkie:
1.. If it's not wrong and it isn't right, doesn't that mean it is of no consequence to do it then and hence should be an issue of concern at all?

2. Coining up new words? So you think languages are born from the coining up of new words to suit different narratives? Is this a joke or something?

Complicate what for whom? So the man whose name is Jesus has his life complicated after finding out that the same name can be said in other languages as Jesu, Yesu, Ieosus, Yeshua ?

Kobojunkie:
Yet the belief is plagued with exactly that, no different from any other religion out there. And you know why? There is no such thing as a perfect book written by the hands of humans and in human language.

TenQ:
But there is room for ignorance!

By the way, at least 32 different Arabic Qurans have been found in the last six years. What's your take on this?

Is it, "don't confuse me with the truth, I have made up my mind!?"

Kobojunkie:
So why is that WRONG or a Terrible thing where Islam is concerned?

Malory:
Ok I'll give it a try. Getting the hardcopy is hard now. Have you read knock knock who's there and Of course my moniker Mallory?