wis3:
this is boring

wis3:
Don't believe in everything you see on YouTube

wis3:
there is no truth. It's just what you believe.

Kobojunkie:
And I am only interested in you actually answering the OP'S question which again is something like why do Muslims everywhere pray the 5 daily prayers in Arabic and not in English or even yoruba or any other language out there?

DonroxyII:
Arabic was the Language God communicated/Instructed Prophet Mohammed on the tenet of Islam and Arabic was preserved in Islamic Doctrines just to maintain the authenticity of each aspect of service to Almighty Allah:

Some Meanings can be lost or misconstrued during translations or transliteration.

wis3:
These are all assertions you deduced from YouTube links of some of the people trying to screw with your mind. The Qur'an is one and the message is thesame. Anyone can fabricate pretty much anything and post them online I'd assume you know this already.

Kobojunkie:
I think it has already has been established at this point that the authenticity of the Islamic message diminishes when exposed to different languages. Though those errors have existed even from the beginning, the remain even after almost 1400 of keeping Islam to just the one language. .

TenQ:

I've given you a non YouTube website if you will read.

https://friendlyexmuslim.com/holes-in-the-quran-textual-variants-and-lost-verses/


Again another YouTube site

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax5S7Vg9-Yw

Here is a Muslim speaking on the same topic you refute vehimently


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsikKJg4ETw

TenQ:

I've given you a non YouTube website if you will read.

https://friendlyexmuslim.com/holes-in-the-quran-textual-variants-and-lost-verses/


Again another YouTube site

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax5S7Vg9-Yw

Here is a Muslim speaking on the same topic you refute vehimently


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsikKJg4ETw

DonroxyII:
You and Your Myopia:

1. The Authenticity of any Philosophies/
Principles Diminishes when subjected to Translations or Transliteration:

2. Yoruba language for instance doesn't have exact word for word language for Hausa nor English Same goes for Arabic .... Culture differs so is People's documentation of their description of Phenomenon in their culture which is called language:

3. Come with sense and reasoning not Spiritualism!

haekymbahd:
which topic is that there is only one Quran read with different accent. A Yoruba man and Hausa man are bound to speak English differently due to their accent will you now call that different versions.


@wis3 don't mind that guy he is only deluding himself.

Dialect is different from accent get that...

Kobojunkie:
1. So the authenticity of Life diminishes when subjected translations and transliteration?

2. That pretty much applies as far as every language out there and the fluid nature of human languages compensate well in such situations.

3. Spiritualism? What the frell does that even mean?

wis3:
I stopped taking you seriously the minute you started posting excerpts from YouTube . The summary of all this is they're all written in Arabic. This can be likened some words in English where (Deceive/Decieve) both mean thesame thing but different spellings.

TenQ:

Lame excuses as I ALSO gave you at least TWO website links to read. But no! You've sealed up your mind against knowledge of the truth.

At least Muslims are agreeing that there are other Qurans BUT they are only DIALECTS!

If these are Dialects, then the narrative of perfectly preserved Quran down to the letter is deflated!

You've not answered this question o:

If Uthman destroyed ALL the variants of the Qur'an and circulated ONLY the Hafs version of the Qur'an, Where are these other Qurans coming from?
1. Did Uthman fail in his mission?
2. Did Uthman preserve the other 7 or 10 dialects?
2. Did the Hadiths lie about Uthman?

DonroxyII:
are you from England ? If no why was your education and all the theories therein were not translated into your fathers/mothers tongue?

Why did you use English all through Your life !

wis3:

wis3:
spamming

DonroxyII:
1. are you from England ? If no why was your education and all the theories therein were not translated into your fathers/mothers tongue?

2. Why did you use English all through Your life !

DonroxyII:
Kobo no well like that o
He who Controls the Philosophies controls the language :

People no for dey say book difficult if our education were to be in Our Mother's tongue:

I know How much I Tey suffer for oral English ... My Teeth nearly comot and Person go dey bite tongue anyhow ....

But na Arabic be their problem and we have been using English since when was African Colonised and Missionary Pops Up

Kobojunkie:
Controls what philosophy abeg? Na conspiracy theories you want attempt now?

TenQ:

Why dodge the question as if you are blind?

Tongue tied?

Uthman destroyed every variant Qur'an and preserved and circulated only the one from the Quraysh dialect. Where are the several Dialects of the Qur'an from?

This narrative was used to defend why there exist only one Arabic Quran in the world. Any answer?

Kobojunkie:
1. Where do you get this silly idea that they aren't or can't be effectively translated to my father/mother tongue?

2. Probably because English is the lingua franca in Nigeria and since I never really lived full-time in my mother or father's village, English simply made more sense.

Are you planning on dropping this ridiculous line of argument anytime soon cause it ain't getting you anywhere..

DonroxyII:
Qur'an had been translated to more than enough of all the languages of the World:

Research before you speak so as for you not to sound myopic:

Allahu Akbar is not a big deal

DonroxyII:
Kobo no well like that o
He who Controls the Philosophies controls the language :

People no for dey say book difficult if our education were to be in Our Mother's tongue:

I know How much I Tey suffer for oral English ... My Teeth nearly comot and Person go dey bite tongue anyhow ....

But na Arabic be their problem and we have been using English since when was African Colonised and Missionary Pops Up

wis3:
I'm sure you're getting all these theories from your YouTube links. I'd advice you find something someone to lend you a copy of the Quran. Try not to download it online because you'd probably just end up getting a doctored. Just like the fabricated YouTube links you have been posting

TenQ:

I can never forget my 200L years ago. I was almost reciting the Shahada! My first English Qur'an was the Glorious Qur'an by Marmaduke Pickthall. I was following Ahmed Deedat like a fly will follow a rotten corpse.

Everything came to a stop because I WAS READING the Qur'an. I saw so may irreconcilables! Unlike you Muslims who should not question the Qur'an, I asked questions and the answers fell flat. So many things were wrong and didn't add up.

The final blow was wrecked when I started reading the hadiths in the state library. I'm sure Arabian night stories could have done better.

So bro!
I've come a long way with Islam, the only difference is that unlike you, I just don't memorise, I ask questions!

On my phone, I have at least five or six Qur'an Apps. The more you seek the truth, the farther it will lead you away from Islam.

Sorry bro to disappoint you!

TenQ:

Muslims are not happy that their standard narratives is being bursted.

Muslims are like:
Don't confuse me with the truth as I have made up my mind.

It's okay to feel as you are feeling except that this should make you to ASK RELEVANT QUESTIONS and beware of what you take at face value.

If Uthman destroyed ALL the variants of the Qur'an and circulated ONLY the Hafs version of the Qur'an, Where are these other Qurans coming from?
1. Did Uthman fail in his mission?
2. Did Uthman preserve the other 7 or 10 dialects?
2. Did the Hadiths lie about Uthman?


Any way you look at your narratives, there are still questions begging for answers!

haekymbahd:
Ahruf (dialect) is different from Qiraat (ways of reciting/accent) don't confuse the 2.

Uthman only made the Quran in one dialect and not Qiraat?


Uthman never circulated only the the Hafs version that is a false statement from you. But he circulated the Quran written in the dialect if the Quraysh (the tribe of the prophet).


All of the accepted qirāʾāt follow three basic rules:
1. Conformity to the consonantal skeleton of the ʿUthmānic muṣḥaf.

2. Consistency with Arabic grammar.

3. Authentic chain of transmission.

Those qirāʾāt that fall short of these conditions are shādhdh (anomalous/irregular).

All this Qiraat has their chains traced to the prophet himself...

wis3:
You seem to have a knack for getting wrong information. Get someone to lend you a copy of the Holy Qur'an. Hard copy oo..

TenQ:

Pets get the truth straight
1. Uthman collected the manuscripts of the Qur'an from Hafsah
2. He made sure a standard copy of the Qur'an was made in the Quraysh dialect
3. Uthman collected all other Variants of the Qur'an whether in full or in fragments and Burned them with fire
4. Copies of the standard Quran were distributed to Muslim communities.

If all these above are true
1. There must only exist in writing the Hafs Qur'an (because it is written down)
2. How you pronounce the words does not matter as the words remain the same as the original (only intonations can differ)
3. Therefore ways of recitations should not affect the written Qur'an (it is amazing how one Nigerian Muslim who thinks he speaks Arabic was almost humiliated by a man of Arab disent: his intonations were bad)


Now, the problems we have with the Qur'an is NOT how it is recited BUT how it is WRITTEN! Two different things.

Where did the other variants of the Published Qur'an come from?

TenQ:

I can only laugh at your mulish ignorance.

You asked me to get a Qur'an, and I told you my first English hardcopy Qur'an .

Reading the Qur'an took me away from Islam permanently.

I am sure you don't know Ahmed Deedat ? I read all his books then.

Dr Zakir Naik is a disciple of Ahmed Deedat.

The book you asked me to Read was what drove me away from Islam just as I was about reciting the Shahada.

Ask Questions!

wis3:
I didn't realize Zakir Naik wrote the Qur'an? Or that Ahmed Deedat was the prophet?