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KnownUnknown:
Is impure atheism more unreasonable compared to pure theism?

How do you rate pure theism compared to impure agnosticism?

I have taken enough stupid questions today.

A001:
The issue of whether God exists or not is settled for me. So, I don't see the point in all these debates on Nairaland.

For now and in the foreseeable future, agnosticism is the most reasonable path as far as I'm concerned whether it tilts toward theism, deism or atheism.

Pure atheism is an ignorant position, just like theism. Both are the same sides of the same coin.

But deism is still reasonable.

Pure atheism is the most unreasonable. It's the ultimate sciolism.

Sciolism is worse than ignorance

jaephoenix:
Youre muddying the water here.
So from your statement, an agnostic theist isn't an agnostic?

He's an agnostic theist. It means that he's a combination of agnosticism and Theism.
It's not difficult to understand.

I'm am different from him because I don't know and I don't even believe anything or disbelieve it. I'm a pure agnostic

Jostoman:
Kogi state people should unite together and vote massively for DINO MELAYE to free themselves from Bello misrule bondage.

Dino is equally very useless, they are in soup irrespective of whoever wins

I pity Kogi, it doesn't matter who wins, they are in soup already

LordReed:
Ignosticism doesn't claim to be scientific either but sure I am leaning towards it even more. These series of discussions have shown that the question what is a god has no good answers and cannot form the basis for any substantial inquiry.

I have to agree with you here.

But Ignosticism is scientific: it does not take the question of God seriously because there are no falsifiable parameters to test. It thinks that no one should take such abstract concept seriously until someone brings anything that we can test so they really do not bitejr if God exist it not if it cannot be tested.

I like this concept

LordReed:
LoLz! Asked and answered. Reread it if you have forgotten. Bwahahahahahahaha!

I'm just glad that we are on the same page with regards to atheism not being scientific.

But do you agree that science is agnostic? Specifically, science is Ignosticist.
The answer is invariably that "does God exist" is a non-question not worth taking seriously until someone, some day, comes along with a clear, non-outlandish and falsifiable concept.

I think as I learn everyday, I am tilting toward Ignosticism. But I am still doing my research.

Negroid001:
That's why it's called Agnosticism. I learn everyday. My head is like a sponge. My views are open to corrections. I'm not rigid like an Atheist or Religious fanatic.
The fact you used a negative word shows your core belief was questioned. The principles i believe in work for me.
I don't give a damn about your beliefs. I even encouraged yours that it inspired me to share my views.

I'm glad that you are ready to take corrections but sincerely I do not think that you are a pure agnostic.

Agnosticism is based on knowledge and not on beliefs. Agnostics do not believe or disbelieve a god unless that God is validated or invalidated with evidence. Agnosticism is purely empirical and not rational.

The fact that you believe that a Supreme being exist but nothing is known about it automatically means that you are not a pure agnostic. You are an agnostic theist.
A pure agnostic does not have beliefs or disbeliefs in his or her dictionary, he or she waits for evidence and accepts what evidence says.

jaephoenix:
Lets start with the OP.
Do you think he's agnostic?

I think the OP is more of an agnostic theist also called agnostitheism because he believes in the eixstence of a Supreme being but insist that it's unknown.

Agnostic theism, agnostotheism, or agnostitheism is the philosophical view that encompasses both theism and agnosticism. An agnostic theist believes in the existence of one or more gods, but regards the basis of this proposition as unknown.

I figured that from this statement:
"There is indeed an intelligent supreme being. Y'all should stop claiming you have an idea what it is. Humans have even attributed a gender to the x factor we know nothing about."


If he had gone further to say that this intelligent Supreme being does not interfere in anything in the universe, then he would be a deist. So I don't think the OP is an agnostic.

jaephoenix:
Nah. Those dudes are theists or deists. Its a spectrum. The OP lies on the theist side of that spectrum while Workch, Wilgrea, Triplechoice,A001 are spread out with Wilgrea tilting towards the most athestic extreme.
Agnostism is a joke of a word

How is agnosticism a joke?

I see atheists are here already causing problems.

Klinee:
My brother it's unfortunate, Ebonyi people just develop hatred for Anambra people for no just reason.
I heard that their hatred towards Anambra is being promoted by their Government.
Like if you are Anambra person and you went for employment opportunity in their state own firm, they will collect your CV tore it and throw it in to dustbin, just because you are from Anambra.
I wonder why they so much hate Anambra but their persons are doing well here in Anambra.
Use of derogatory comments on Abakaliki people is not only done by Anambra people but the whole Nigeria specifically the area where they(Abakaliki people) have exhibited their low live behavior.
I schooled in Uniben, if you see the way Abakaliki people do hawk inside our classroom and lab very disgusting.
Are they the only one that are poor in Nigeria?

You Anambra People almost always look down other on Igbo states. It's why you will easily clash with them.

You cannot see someone from Imo state looking down on an abia man or Enugu. It's always an Anambra person. You can see it here, one of your own goes about Imo thread causing problems. You Anambra people think you are superior to others and that's why other southeast state will hardly support you in this media war.

You people need to realize that state boundaries are fictional lines created by Nigerian government, before these states where created, we are all igbos. Anambra people should stop the enormous pride and ego

LordReed:
Asking questions that have already been treated is a sign of something wrong. We just went over this and you are still asking the same question. LMFAO!

If you had provided evidence and not trying to run from pillar to post, we would have ended this debate.

LordReed:
I quote you directly then you start crying. Stop bringing up stuff you are only going to cry about ok?

just substantiate your position with evidence 😂😂
Stop the distraction or agree that you lack any evidence

LordReed:
Justified to whom?

Just leave the red herring. Please focus

LordReed:
LMFAO! Who is asking you to switch? I dunno why you are knocking your head against a label. Are you going to get paid or receive some benefit I am not aware of? If someone is cutting cheques for switching lemme know lemme go get mine. Bwahahahahaha!

I'm going to be justified for always following the evidence where it leads and not making things up in my head.

LordReed:
And we are back to me asking you to show me where I disbelieve the question of gods which of course you cannot show. When will you realise you have no point?

It's silly question since you are an atheist

LordReed:
And how do you demonstrate neutrality, by adopting the label agnostic?

I am waiting for either you or theists to provide any evidence so I can switch. It's as simple as that.
Get to work 😂

LordReed:
There is no sufficient evidence to disbelieve either.

Which makes both atheism and Theism wrong for now at least.

LordReed:
LoLz. Can you show me where atheism claims to be a scientific position?

No I can't, that's why the topic is correct 😂

LordReed:
LoLz. I haven't even touched the topic yet so no you proved nothing. Bwahahahahaha!

you would have touched the topic if you can demonstrate anything 😅

You are not touching it because you don't have any scientific backing for it. I dare you to prove me wrong 🤣

LordReed:
On the ground that I have no reason or sufficent evidence that can form the basis for belief.

Do you have sufficient evidence to disbelief it?

Like we did when we found sufficient evidence against phlogiston?

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! When you are sure of what you are saying come and explain how I am appealing to ignorance. LMFAO!

The topic is atheism is not scientific. It has been proven.

I have proven it with you 😂

LordReed:
LMAO! Na so.

it's like explaining basic science to MaxInDHouse, how do you expect such person to understand that he can't believ something if evidence does not exist for it.

It's the same way you cannot understand that you can remain neutral until at least either evidence for or against comes.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Explain it if you are sure of what you are talking about.

Explain what?
That you are appealing to ignorance?

I can't explain anything to you, it's like explaining basic things to a theist 😂😂
You guys are same thing

LordReed:
Explain how I do not believe is a conclusion.

you explain how you ended up not believing it.
On what ground?

LordReed:
LoLz. What is the strawman I am trying to create?

Focus on giving evidence. Stop asking too much questions 😅

LordReed:
LoLz. Just knocking your head against a simple diagram because you think I am asking you to choose. Such a sad little baby. Bwahahahahaha!

Lol, because you and I know that your disbelief is an appeal to ignorance

We both know this 🤣

LordReed:
LMAO! Evidence of what?

Evidence for your position "I do not believe in God".

Why did you reach such conclusion, show me with demonstrable evidence?

triplechoice:
Just imagine the talk

The prefix -dis before belief means ,not ,a negation ,

So, the word ,disbelief it's the same with the phrase lack of belief.

Leave Reed . He wants to confuse you because he is stuck .

He is the same person in the other thread who wanted to mock with

The half statement ,

"I don't believe '

With the full one ,


'I neither believe nor disbelieve '

He wanted to play some mental abracadabra ,but he failed woefully

he knows what he's doing, LordReed is trying to create a strawman that he will attack so we can stop asking him to substantiate his disbelief, unbelief or non-belief (whatever he calls it) with an evidence.

LordReed:
Dude. Are you OK? Have actually looked at the meaning of disbelief or are just going off half cocked as usual.

whether disbeliever, unbeliever or non-believer, they all mean someone who doesn't believe in God.

You are runnng away from the point and shooting the strawman 🤣🤣

Leave the definition and face the point of the discussion. When atheists need real argument, they succumb to fallacies.