Prolific007: So how come those that have been vaccinated are still contacting the virus when we all know their immune system has already memorized the pathogen
Because the vaccine prevents their cells from being infected and doesn’t mean they cannot carriers at any point.
Prolific007: Covid-19 is the first vaccine produced from mRNA while the others are protein base. So in essence anything can be encoded in these vaccines if not why forcing people to get sensitise like for me this goes beyond just getting a herd immunity.
Anything protein can also be given to you that can harm you but hey, that’s not the case. They are forcing it to attain herd immunity just as they mandate every other vaccine.
malcom1X: The CDC director herself said it doesn't stop transmission, it doesn't protect you from getting Covid. You can listen to her say it here on CNN
Hundredfold4lif: I respect the grace upon the head/life of Pastor Ibiyeomie, but this boastful arrogance is unwarranted for a SERVANT of GOD! If he becomes the richest man of GOD, how does that translate in the moral decency of his flock? There are issues I won't bring on the public table but be it known that this is unCHRISTLY hence 100% carnal and worldly!
Angelfrost: Nothing but misplaced arrogance and pointless grandstanding... You have said absolutely nothing up there.
Keep doing whatever you think makes sense to you (strutting around believing you are smarter than the next person)... It is your choice!!! Every Nigerian will keep doing what he pleases too.
Good thing you are no where near actual leadership (you will never be able to lead even yourself with such poor attitude)... I believe the leaders will do the right thing which I outlined above.
Such a shame really... You spent so much time and words prancing around a thread missing the key point and impacting no one but your already bloated ego. You really need help sir.
I shall not be replying you forthwith, so feel free to read, ignore and keep living that "amazing" thing you call life. Peace!!!
If you want to lick the ass of your pastor and whatever comes out of his anus then good luck.
No sane person aside gullible people take those con artists seriously. If you want to talk about vaccine then we are good but don’t glorify your daddy in the Lord, who’s most likely a thief before me.
I will bash you and bash the useless thief you call a pastor if you try to flaunt that nonsense before me. you silly daddy G.O children think you have some sort of wisdom, I don’t know where you get that feeling
Angelfrost: Educating people and Compelling people are two very distinct and completely different things sir...
The former is precisely the process I carefully outlined for you earlier, and certainly not the subject of this thread.... That is not the contentious issue with Dr. Enenche, who actually knows first hand the crying or glaring need for herd immunity.
You really don't know much... Damn, humble yourself and learn a thing or two about Life and leadership!!! It is such attitude that makes some so called learned people frustrated and depressed.
I should humble myself so you I can take medical advice from your pastor?
Angelfrost: Educating people and Compelling people are two very distinct and completely different things sir...
The former is precisely the process I carefully outlined for you earlier, and certainly not the subject of this thread.... That is not the contentious issue with Dr. Enenche, who actually knows first hand the crying or glaring need for herd immunity.
You really don't know much... Damn, humble yourself and learn a thing or two about Life and leadership!!! It is such attitude that makes some so called learned people frustrated and depressed.
I may not know much but I certainly know that I won’t take medical advise from a failed medical doctor pastor who has got no single data for his claims.
I will rather get information from reliable sources, who conducted rigorous studies to reach there conclusion. And what does that make you? An ignoramus who takes epidemiological advice from the pulpit. The fact that you think you know anything is funny, I do not take comments from brainwashed pastor followers seriously dude. Those set of people almost always don’t have much to offer when it comes to stuffs like this.
akan102: Yet the supposed prevented people are still unprevented to the covid 19 variants
if enough people had taken it, the likelihood of getting a new variant will be Lower because it will slow the evolution of the virus.
Hence it’s one of the reason why people have to take it else we have more resistance variants to come that might even compel us to make a new vaccine entirely. It’s not rocket science
Angelfrost: Precisely what Tdoctor was talking about above... The very reason you were chided severally.
It is such dimwitted petulance in the face of constructive arguments that has continued this needless war between vaxxers and anti-vaxxers.
You can stay on your high horse from now till the Arctic turns to Sahara, the reality remains.... Most people will continue to be obstinate and reject the vaccines. Of course they will eventually take them, but not in your compelling time frame! That is the reality!
Keep strutting around with your so called knowledge base, no one cares sir... I believe we are done here!!! Good night!!!
There is a need to attain herd immunity, you created the war not me. We are just trying to educate people on why they should get vaccinated because we know the level of misinformation is huge.
You don't learn because you are too emotionally conceited into believing you know more than you do.
China compels in everything! That was a very poor example. You are clearly not paying attention to the Crux of this thread and discourse.
Well, let me leave you with this simple truth or reality... The 'threat' of this clueless government will end on paper, and amount to nothing. This is not the way to change hearts and minds of people stuck in their ways.
When the leaders are ready to get the majority jabbed, they will follow the steps I outlined... Of course, that will be when the vaccines are even available in enough quantity to actually reach the majority.
Till then, let's keep observing the circus!!!...
FYI, Dr. Enenche and most top members of his church are also vaccinated!!! Please, learn to stick to the subject of a thread! Thank you.
You are vaccinated, good. Any other thing you typed is not my business.
Tdoctor: So China is a sane clime. A country with severe human rights violations. So China is the example to follow. It's no wonder you have no problem with the government trampling on people's rights to refuse a wonder vaccine.
Yes, China, France, Isreal, Singapore, japan all have mandatory vaccination policy. They don’t consider the opinion of uninformed people who will rather take medical advice from pastors. Even in U.S you cannot work as a federal staff without taking the vaccine. Those are sane climes not the jargons we do here. Every dick and Harry want to give their medical opinions. They know it’s nonsense and shouldn’t be tolerated.
Angelfrost: Actually, my points or rather my point is as succinct as permissible...
Work harder at getting people on board with vaccination as a key way to help keep this novel disease in check without dehumanizing or criminalizing them. Same as the simple message of Dr. Enenche.
Lemme help your bandwagon mentality if I can.... It would be less stressful and combative if all stakeholders and those having a massive influence on the populace are gotten on board. These include clergymen, traditional rulers, teachers, etc. Patiently and intelligently sell the vaccination and herd immunity idea to them as efficiently as possible, giving room for reservations....
Once these people of influence get on board, you have basically won over 70% of Nigerians over... Follow up with setting up vaccine centers across board: offices, churches, markets, etc... (After, not before meeting stakeholders and certainly before issuing dumb directives with regards to compulsion of citizens).
This nation is already massively stressed out by economic failings of the same leaders, insecurity, inflation, etc... This move being criticized by Enenche and any Nigerian with half a brain, in the midst of more critical issues (emphasis on More Critical) will only make people more suspicious of the vaccine and give more heed to brainless conspiracy theorists.
You see why leadership is not for everyone sir?!!... Good night to you!!!
How can a conspiracy theorist who has no idea how vaccines work be helping people about bandwagon mentality in respect to vaccination?
Dude, You Better go and take the vaccine and stop giving yourself excuses. If you were in China and other sane climes you would have been compelled to do the right thing.
Drop all your wishy washy long uninformed excuses that has no form of data backing them. Sane countries are not interested in your nonsense when it’s time to get visas.
Even your con pastors will be compelled to take the vaccine and nothing will happen
Godszilla: Thank you u just confirm it yourself that you are the conspiracy theorist here. We on this side of d world will say goodnight n peace whenever u r
how? Tell me any vaccine that is not a genetically modified product at some point? You cannot make a vaccine without genetically interfering with the causative pathogen today. Even the dumbest immunology student knows this. I’m not the reason you didn’t pay attention in biology class.
Godszilla: So here is the full article pls try read n open u need.
What to know about the COVID-19 ‘vaccine’ By MC Asuzu 16 September 2021 | 3:03 am
Nigeria as part of the modern world is passing through one of the most frightful eras of a rather strange disease epidemic that human beings have experienced since the beginning of time. Because this epidemic is happening all over the world at the same time, it is called a pandemic. And because the disease is spreading all over the world by the high rate of international travels, the local control of the disease in each country must keep conscious of how it is going in all other countries in order to be able to protect their citizens from such international importations.
Obviously, situations like these keep many people in authority under pressure; and if we are not careful, they will make many unsound but superficially reasonable decisions and carry out such actions thereof.
In addition to this global situation, there has been very much talk, mostly political on the control methods and practices. Some of these have been with not enough solid, essential, and especially reasonably holistic science. Unfortunately, this has been the greatest on the biochemical product that is being propagated all over the world as “COVID-19 vaccine”. No doubt, many people in the medical and health sciences who are employed by the government agencies that are involved in these world political programmes have felt obligated to join in promoting these not fully and truly ethical programmes and in exactly the ways that the governments are presenting or asking them to present it. However, those of us who are involved in the fundamental science of medicine and of public health, known as Epidemiology, and especially those of us also concerned about ethics as well as employed where we can exercise the full rights and privileges of our science and profession, must hasten to educate one and all in the real sciences of vaccines and the disease control principles as related to the COVID-19 pandemics. In this way, everybody should understand and be able to make up their minds on where to stand in the controversies erupting in these regards. They should do so with great understanding for everyone and no animosities or negativisms of any sort.
Now, as a public health expert myself, and most obviously purely by the very grace of God, we are happy of our duty as well as to inform all and sundry, that generally, vaccination is the next best control of any infectious disease, often only just next to its very complete eradication. But that is only if what one is talking about is truly a vaccine. Such a vaccine, however, has many other yardsticks to meet, if it is to be such a useful vaccine.
Of course, not all vaccines are very useful; mainly because of failures to meet these requirements of true effectiveness as such. The disease sometimes may be one in which there happen to be other measures that may be more important or more effective than the given vaccine in relation to the relevant properties of that vaccine as already mentioned. All these have to be understood before a responsible government and her ethically and scientifically minded (i.e., more than being merely politically minded) public health workers can determine the correct combination and hierarchy of these public health measures to take in relation to the given disease.
Now to come to the matter of vaccines, and as anybody can indeed Google, Yahoo, or other, electronically search engine and find out for themselves, vaccines are originally killed disease microbes (viruses, bacteria, etc). These microbes have been killed and then introduced into the human body so that the recipients can naturally develop the antibodies or other immune responses to the disease, in readiness for their being subsequently attacked by the disease. Because these microbes, at the beginning of the history of vaccines, were killed, they were not active enough in some cases and the natural immunities they helped people to develop may not be very great. So, in the second generation and class of vaccine production, diseases in which the immunities produced with dead vaccines were inadequate had to have those microbes only partially killed (or attenuated, as we say it in medical language).
In that way, when introduced into the human body, these attenuated microbes try to mimic a disease attack. But because they are attenuated, they will be unable to do so. However, they would have stimulated that recipient’s immune system enough to actively cause the development of such natural immunity to the highest degree possible for that disease. So, to date, these are the only two types of true vaccines, for what is today referred to as active immunization or vaccination. These two brands of products are what true vaccines are in the modern world! None of these have so far been produced for the current Covid-19 pandemic; even though some research laboratories are trying also to develop them!
Now, as anybody may verify for himself, even though various research bodies are still trying to develop either of these two types of true vaccines around the world, some people have gone ahead to develop what should properly be called Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs). Actually in this case, no such organisms at all have been produced, but genetically modified biomedical products; and decided to be calling them “vaccines”. These currently available “COVID-19 vaccines” are therefore not vaccines as we know it in solid science. The permission or licenses that they have received for administering it/them to any bodies are also most appropriately called EMMERGENCY (DRUG TRIAL TYPES OF EXPERIMENTAL) LICENCES. Now anybody’s genes (or genetics) are the biological basis of his personhood and inherent personality. For anybody to think that he can invade anybody’s person as such, EXCEPT WITH A DETAILED AND PROPERLY SIGNED INFORMED CONSENT, IS MOST UNETHICAL. So, everybody may indeed take this “COVID-19 vaccine”. But the proper ethical practice of medicine and the health professions requires that nobody may impose such a thing on anybody without full information and documented informed consent. So, this is where we are in regard to the present “COVID-19 vaccines” in Nigeria and the world today.
Preventive medicine, public health or community physicians, and any other health workers whose education and training are as adequate in these regards, will also know that COVID-19 is a flu (kind of common cold) virus; except that this has become one of the fast-evolving varieties of these that are tending to be fairly more debilitating and death causing. Yet, they remain still flu viruses, transmitted only by close hand and face contacts with wet or aerosol respiratory (airborne mouth and nose) human outputs for their man to man transmission.
These viruses have hardly had any vaccines with immunities lasting for more than a few months only. The immune conversion after receiving those vaccines had never been so very high either, and the virus is mutating per second per second, and before you finish with developing one vaccine another or several new varieties of the virus may also have developed, and most probably requiring a new vaccine. As many people will know, these flus are common in the temperate or cold countries of the world. So, they had developed systems of developing and using these vaccines in their yearly cycles of these flus. This is not the case with these flus in the tropics. There may be other factors that make this infection, its sustenance and severity by this flu virus not to be the case in these countries; even as the current pandemic has so resoundingly proven.
Therefore, scientifically and ethically for a reasonable public health approach to the community/country control of COVID-19 (and any other such serious flus in the tropics), the hierarchy of the control measures should be as follows: 1). Stay at home and do your work electronically from there, limiting people visiting you there too, as may be possible for you.
2). If and whenever you go out, maintain a 3 to 6 feet distance between yourself and anybody else, whether they think you are silly or not.
3). Maintain hand and face and other respiratory hygiene, washing your hands with soap and running water as often as you ever can; and if you inadvertently touch any rails, door handles or other surfaces that are easily touched by others, have an alcohol-based hand sanitizer in your pocket or bag to sanitize those hands as soonest as possible.
4). Wear a facemask properly all time outside your home and never touch its front (externally exposed) side. Do not worry about the so-called filtration efficacy of masks. Wear highly effective ones if you know them, otherwise wear anyone anyway; and remind others to do so.
5). Avail yourself of the knowledge of the officially learned signs and symptoms of COVID-19 and test readily if you think that you have them. If diagnosed as having caught some of the viruses early, simple home isolation and following the rules for the same will very easily assist you to develop the immunity you need for the disease.
6). If you would otherwise not desire to take this experimental “vaccine” because of the sound scientific and ethical knowledge of these things that you now have, but still have any other serious grounds and/or currently theorized reasons that you may still take the given risks of this “vaccine” in spite of its limitations and dangers, you may then do so.
But as you must know, the “vaccine” so far has far too many genetic unknowns about it. It does not stop you from catching or transmitting the virus; nor does it exempt you from those more fundamental preventative measures and practices that cost so little, even if it apparently may seem to need them less. If we apply these principles, as well as the “vaccination” for those who desire to do so, we should be able to control this disease both in Nigeria and worldwide in a very short time, obviously. Of the 2 first professors in the University of Ibadan who reportedly died of the recent Delta variant of the COVID-19 virus, one was reportedly fully immunized with this GMO vaccine but the other, not at all.
Meanwhile, all Nigerians must pray that the corruption and nepotism that have destroyed our internal capacity to produce vaccines internally for ourselves as we had indeed done before, may be overcome ASAP. If we all do these things faithfully, locally, and globally, this COVID-19 will be all over sooner than it would seem. So, let us do this. Let us pray also that Nigeria will be among the first countries to produce true vaccines of dead or attenuated COVID-19 virus (as well as the GMO “vaccines”) so that we may better ethically meet the needs of Nigeria and the world in these regards. Amen.
Asuzu is a retired professor of public health and community medicine at, University of Ibadan.
All known vaccines today including polio are GMO products. Educate yourself
Tdoctor: So if I agree with you, I'm good at biology but if I don't agree, I am poor at biology. In that case, please give me an F because I don't agree with you.
It's very simple to know why it's difficult to make vaccine for malaria parasite if you paid attention in secondary school biology.
Which area of their life cycle do you want to the vaccine to target? It's common sense
Tdoctor: How many years have you been in the field - up to 20 years? 30 years? If not, then you cannot speak authoritatively on the subject. You must allow for room that you may be wrong.
yes I can't speak authoritively, you are correct but I can cite data and peer reviewed studies to support my point and not some failed medical doctor pastor.
I can back all my point with verifiable data and study from thousands to millions of researches.
Godszilla: Like I said am not d 1 talking it's a Professor talking it's either u no more than d Professor or.... It's your choice anyway this thing is not a vaccine nin it true sense
Because a professor said it doesn't make it correct. That's appealing to authority.
I'm an expert in this field myself and I'm saying vaccines work and you are deny it for religious reasons
Tdoctor: COVID vaccine should also fall under that.
No because you are poor in biology, you do not realize that Coronaviruses do not have complicated life cycle like malaria parasite hence its easier to make vaccines for them.
Godszilla: Malaria vaccine has been developed n recently approved by WHO. Am surprised u dis great intelkect doesn't no dis,pls read n keep usef updated
Yes, but it hasn't been properly researched for commercial use. I should keep myself updated, you don't even know how vaccines work dude
Godszilla: Please this things is not a vaccine o it gene therapy this where the real issue is. Pls pls try read this article its either the Prof is an olodo or a conspiracy theorist.
Krismas: Ofcourse I read it. 80% chance of reinfection is reduced to 40% Wen they took a booster shot. They practically live on booster shots in Israel. And dat still can’t touch natural immunity. The mutation will ensure ur booster shot expire in no time.
If you and other had taken the vaccine, we won't be dealing with a delta variant. It's bacis biology and very simple
Thebigheart: Really, you mean that thousands of people that protest against the thing are well misinformed. That's to say, even when you see a patient to die after partaken of the vaccine, you can go ahead a take it yourself?
No scientifically knowledgeable person who understands basic microbiology joins such ignorant protest
edoairways: Tell WHO to instruct Nigeria pharmaceutical companies to distribute malaria vaccine instead of covid-19. By way there is high recovery rate in Nigeria and many parts of Africa.
Malaria vaccine hasn't been developed sir. It's difficult to develop malaria vaccine because of the complicated life cycle of the parasite.
It's basic biology, it was taught in secondary school.
Godszilla: Sorry to interject please,people are not against the vaccine (its not a vaccine anyway) people r against the mandate pls. People keep saying herd immunity as if its only achieve via vaccines we av bin design to generate dez immunity by default what tru vaccine does is stimulate u body to generate these anti bodies so u body is prepare for the disease. Whenever u r infected with any disease 1s u recover or survive u av build some level of immunity against dat disease. Labelling people conspiracy theory doesn't make 1 intelligent but diminishes u point of argument.pls try read this article https://guardian.ng/opinion/what-to-know-about-the-covid-19-vaccine/ if u disagree then I support u more learned than a Professor then.
That's because people don't know how "herd immunity" works.
Science is not very easy for everyone to grasp, so you don't expect the govenrment to start lecturing everyone again on herd immunity after they all did biology in school and didn't learn it.
For the purpose of heed immunity, reasonable governments like France, U.K, CHINA, Isreal etc have mandated vaccine. They know what they are doing
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Paul Enenche: Compulsory Vaccination Is From The Pit Of Hell (Video) by Workch: 6:58am On Oct 16, 2021
