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Tdoctor:
You seem to assume that I am not a professional, and I will leave you to that assumption.However, anti-vaxxers will only be won over, when all the facts of adverse events are openly reported, and people are allowed to make informed decisions. Distrust has been created and it will stay that way. The more the media push for vaccination, the more governments compel people, and the more any reports of devastating adverse effects are swept under the media rug, the more recalcitrant people will become. Nothing can change that.

Meanwhile, both sides of the divide are indoctrinated, and it seems unlikely to change.

You don't sound like a professional in either immunology, biochemistry, microbiology or epidemiology.

You maybe a medical professional but those guys dont have first hand information on how vaccines work. Even the doctors do not.

I don't care about what the media says, I want you to focus on why people should take the vaccine. Every dick and Harry always have opinons, it's totally useless if we don't look at the scientific and logical reason as to why they are compelling people.

Geenosko:
Hope you know he's a qualified medical doctor

And so?

Angelfrost:
Yes sir...

That will be achieved via vaccination and improved immune systems. It will never happen overnight, and forcing people to get vaccinated just to get herd immunity over one disease, especially in a population with low virulence and susceptibility is quite suspicious.

Herd immunity will come sir... It doesn't have to be at the same time as with America and Europe. You didn't attain this same time with them with regards to other viral infections.

Any further questions?!!

I think you are not aware that these viruses evolve and can become more virulent if not stopped.

Maybe you are not aware of that, and that's why herd immunity has to be achieved whether or not it's less virulent now. Why are Africans not futurist?

Tdoctor:
Hunger and malaria have killed far more people on the planet, they should work on both of them first.

How is that connected to trying to stopping a virus form becoming a deadlier strain?

Angelfrost:
Yes sir...

That will be achieved via vaccination and improved immune systems. It will never happen overnight, and forcing people to get vaccinated just to get herd immunity over one disease, especially in a population with low virulence and susceptibility is quite suspicious.

Herd immunity will come sir... It doesn't have to be at the same time as with America and Europe. You didn't attain this same time with them with regards to other viral infections.

Any further questions?!!

So how do you suggest that the world reaches herd immunity faster aside from vaccination?

Tdoctor:
Medical and scientific reasons will never outweigh people's perception of social justice. You have to create trust before carrying out such a widespread vaccination. If they have refused us palliatives but now want to give us vaccine, we have every right, and I'm actually being wise, to refuse it. The governments of this world have lost their credibility, and the scientific world is working hard at losing the credibility too.

The vaccine is "No" for me, and I will advise others to wait and see the long-term effects.

anti-vaccination is not a topic in China, it's because the govenrment will not tolerate ridiculous ideas about it.
China has vacinnated almost all their citizens of almost 1.3billion and we didn't see people dying like chickens because of it.

It's only in highly relfiois climes and democratic setting that you see very uninformed people have a say about strictly ethical matters.

Tdoctor:
Medical and scientific reasons will never outweigh people's perception of social justice. You have to create trust before carrying out such a widespread vaccination. If they have refused us palliatives but now want to give us vaccine, we have every right, and I'm actually being wise, to refuse it. The governments of this world have lost their credibility, and the scientific world is working hard at losing the credibility too.

The vaccine is "No" for me, and I will advise others to wait and see the long-term effects.

You cannot create trust where you have indoctrination and religious fanaticism. Most especially in the democratic setting, everyone even idiots have a voice

Do you want to know why it's scientifically valid to compel people to take the vaccine or not?

effort1:
Your reasoning is getting dumber by the minute.

So, it is my bias that caused a grown woman to fall sick immediately after receiving a vaccine?

You should quit trying to defend rubbish.

You are illiterate who lacks the ability to make clear conclusions.

That's why you can't explore more possibke cases to her ailments

Angelfrost:
Honestly, I desire, wish and encourage everyone to get the vaccine sir. Especially those at high risk due to comorbidity and compromised immunity.

Whatever side effects the vaccine has are not sufficient to stall or halt its need.

However, this doesn't mean it should be forced upon people or they blackmailed (emphasis here) to get it!!!... The unvaccinated should not be a risk to anyone but themselves! Why push them to get jabbed against their will?!! And you expect even the least suspicious among them not to raise eyebrows?!!... Think sir, think!!!

Do you know what we call "herd immunity" in epidemiology?

Krismas:
Sorry sir, did u say u are a prof? I feel badly let down. U are completely off the mark. For first, u don’t know about viral infection more dan Montagnier, he discovered HIV and has a Nobel prize in medicine. He said the vaccine is a scientific mistake! He said the Covid vaccine actually FEED the virus and its wots responsible for all the mutations and variants. U don’t know more than Yeadon in vaccine making. He said whoever talks the Covid vaccine does not have more 3yrs to live. Do more research on the vaccine and stop being shallow

more and more conspiracies. Damn

Show me a proof of him saying this and I will believe you

Tdoctor:
No one is against the vaccine. What started making everyone suspicious was the compulsion. The more the compulsion, the more people will become even more suspicious. I will advise people wait to see the long-term effects of vaccination, before they even consider it. It's that simple.

If I offer to give you medical and scientific reasons as to why it's been compelled, will you listen to it?

Tdoctor:
Take the vaccine if you want to, I'll advise others to depend on natural immunity. If the pandemic was as deadly as they claim, there'll be no need to force people to take it. We can agree to disagree.

That's an ignorant statement to make and its the problem we scientists have with the populace even the so called medical professionals..

The essesnce of vaccination is not just to eradicate the pathogen, it's also prevents the pathogen from evolving into a more virulent strain in the future. It's the reason why people are encouraged to take it so we can stop the mutation once and for all if we acquire herd immunity. If you don't get hr vaccine, you are automatically a reservoir for the virus to mutate.

We have seen this several times in the history of man, the H1N1 pandemic that killed 70million people in 1918 didn't start with a new virus. It was a product of a constantly evolving influenza virus.

If we don't acquire herd immunity of covid19, there's a possibility that it will evolve into a very deadly strain in the nearest future. You may not understand what I am saying but with just little knowledge of biology, you will get how this works.

Krismas:
If paracetamol gives a child jaundice the first time, I think it will be dumb to repeat it for the same child subsequently? Which roughly then mean everybody cannot take paracetamol. Same thing too Covid vaccine. So the compulsion is dumb

Same applies to covid29 vaccine.
There is no pharmaceutical product that will not have adverse reactions on some people.
The idea of any pharmaceutical product is for the collective benefits to outweigh the risks. Lay people don't understand that part of pharmacology.

If people who have superficial knowledge about things like can ask questions then maybe we will not have alot of ignoramuses saying nonsense about what they know nothing about

Tdoctor:
What if I told you sir that I'm abreast with current research on COVID and adverse events are being seriously under-reported? Whenever the governments of the world come together and say something is good for everyone, the same soul-less people who are unwilling to eradicate hunger and poverty, then we should be extremely very worried.

You don't seem to me like someone who knows how idiosyncrasies in pharmacology works hence your initial comments.

Whether your govenrment is useless or not, it has nothing to do with taking a vaccine to stop a pandemic. Deal with your government and take the vaccine

Angelfrost:
Your analogy with paracetamol is laughable...

You can actually choose not to take paracetamol even with the worst headache. Matter of fact, I know people who have not taken paracetamol in decades!

Are you aware that there are many vaccines out there which most have never taken?!!... Even when they are important...

The issue is not the vaccine itself or the dumb conspiracy theories... The issue remains making a meal out of vaccination! Going as far as compelling people to take it just further makes them more suspicious!!!

Know this and stop arguing!!!

Let me get your problem.

Are you saying that the vaccine has side effect/ doesn't work or healthy people shouldn't be forced to take the vaccine irrespective of whether it works or not?

effort1:
Mr educated man, I think I should know my family members more than you. I should know their health status more than you do.

If you fall sick after taking a new brand of beer, it is the beer that caused it. Your comparison is among the dumbest I've heard in a long time

That's not how it works, you already have bais and that's why you think the vaccine caused it even as data states otherwise.

Illiterate are not well versatile in their reasoning, an educated person would not reach such poor and myopic conclusion without properly factoring in other possible causes and probabilities.

Tdoctor:
As a professional in what area?

Clinical chemistry sir

effort1:
She was hale and hearty until she went for the forced vaccination

Stop reasoning like you didn't get proper education.

Because your mother in law was OK before taking the vaccine doesn't mean the vaccine caused her problem. Because I fell sick after taking a new brand of beer doesn't mean the beer caused it.

The data shows that covid19 vaccine is safe "generally", go treat your mother in law properly

Tdoctor:
There are a lot of reactions to these vaccines that nobody wants to talk about - in the heart, liver, kidney, lungs. Once you talk about it, the mainstream media goes after you. Vaccines are normally tested over years before being released to the public. Most of these vaccinations you see on TV, na injection water e be.

Even paracetamol can cause jaundice in some children, can even lead to death.
We cannot stop taking paracetamol cause of that..
Do you want to me to educate you on how those stuffs work or you want to hold on to your conspiracies?

effort1:
Lolz. My mother in law took it in Lagos and she is currently regretting it. She had been down for weeks after taking the vaccine.

I and all of my extended family members have taken it and nothing happened to us.

Your mother in-law needs to treat other ailments.

Kayberg:
Then why did many of those vaccinated reported dead shortly after getting the jab?

Show me the data for this claim?

Don’t be a conspiracy theorist

Thebigheart:
Pastor Paul is professional medical doctor and he know what he is saying. Ignorant people are calling him now because he is Pastor.

Come to think of the people that have received the vaccine are dying and you want to force someone to take it.

Even the American have started protesting against the vaccination of a thing. Some junk here are talking out of point here.
BE WARNED

The most intelligent person can be messed by religion.
The moment you allow religion into your head, logic and rationality is dead.

Btw, medical doctors are not experts in immunology, they really do not know a lot about vaccines than biochemists, immunologists, microbiologists and epidemiologists. He’s not an authority in this matter

Angelfrost:
You are missing the point here...

whats the point?

effort1:
Oga, the protest against covid-19 vaccine is global, not only in Nigeria

Yeah that’s because illiterate fanatical Christians are not only located in Nigeria

Kayberg:
Is the vaccine a cure?

Its a preventive method and prevention is better than cure

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TheWolfen:
Nawa
I wonder why they worry so much about unvaccinated people. You already vaccinated those that love their life and don't wanna die from your covid then why bother about those that don't wanna get vaccinated? Why don't leave them and let your covid shit kill them? ? ?
No they won't because their agenda to to get all humans DNA altered by their covid vaccine.

[/s] illiterate

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hassan4:
Oga face the challenges. That's why they have you. Keep hustling and take some risks. Family can never be cut off. You think it's just you? We're all in same shit. Soon things will shape up when one or all your brothers sit up.

[/s] so you will give birth to kids so you can kill them with financial burden.

There's an option of not having children because your children are not your retirement plan. Don't give birth like a dog and be expecting that child to feed you when things are hard for the child as well. That child remains your responsibility until you die

babtoundey:
That simple logic of yours suggests that a child has no responsibility looking after the parents or being sympathetic of the parent's plight. After all, he doesn't wish to be born.

Nobody is in support of parents being leeches on their children or stunting their children growth by making them go insolvent. It is important we you understand that not all parents are parasites. And the few you might called parasites might have at one time or the other, done all they could afford to make their children great. If there were no limitations posed by life challenges and time, every reasonable parent would lead their children to success

So, that logic is not all inclusive. Everyman has limitations. And opportunities, notions and chances are severed by circumstances. That a mother or father demands so much from his or her child at the present moment doesn't mean she has always been useless and irresponsible. It is expected of a parent that has invested a lot in the child to expect some pecuniary gains particularly when they are confronted by crises they feel their child could help them summount. It is left to the child to rule how to relate with them without violating himself or ruining his own chances of living comfortably or as he ought to live.

A child that proves stunt like "I didn't care to be born" when his parents need him is no child. He is an akukubi, something worthless than biscuit.

Yes exactly, parents should not make the children their retirement. The decision to make those children is solely on the parents, they should be responsible for that decision. You have option of not making babies if you can't be responsible for them. They are not your retirement plan, don't make that mistake in your life.
The fact that Africans thing children are their retirement plans contributes to the cycle of poverty.

This doesn't in anyway mean that children cannot gift parents stuffd, but it's not their responsibility to cater for any financial burden incurred by the parent.

babtoundey:
A situation I'm facing is a little bit similar. I lent my Mama 50k URGENTLY. She knew I couldn't afford such amount at that moment I would need that money to Ballance up my school fees and rent, yet she kept silent. I knew she has the money, but she doesn't really care how I got the vacuum filled up. I have resolved not to bother her. I'm certain that is the bus-stop. When next she comes knocking with urgent this or that, I will only give her the amount I can afford.No more, no less.

So, my dear brother, there is no point cutting them off else you regret it bitterly for the rest of your life. It's obvious they constitute heavy burden on your finances and growth, nonetheless, you need to recognize that they are your parents. That clause is very sacrosanct. There were times they had the options of denying you everything that qualifies you the formal and informal skills you have attained today, but they endured and sacrificed their flesh, bone and blood for you.

That they are your parents and have done their bids in bringing you up doesn't mean you should kill yourself for them anyways. Learn to say "No", "I don't have that amount", I will try", "I will see what I can do" or "I am broke" to their importunate demands.

The time they ask 100k, give them if you can afford it. if all you can afford is 2k or 1k out of a 100k, don't hesitate to make them understand. You can't ruin yourself all because you want to please anybody.

It's not the child's decision to be born. It's totally the parents responsibility to make children great else they shouldn't have kids.

That's logical enough

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gen2lpat:
You are the first of 4 and obviously the opara. Your problem is your mentality.

From the story, the only place your dad faulted was the fish farming investment. Others are responsibility you mentally referred to as lend, borrow.

I'm the first son, I started a business for my mum when I was 29 and now building a house for my parents @ 32. Have spent millions but I am guided with the mentality that these are my responsibilities.

Any assistance you render to your siblings or parents are responsibilities. How can you even say you borrowed your mum money to start business when I expect you to say you assisted her with finance to start up a business.

Fix your reasoning.

If you want to cut off your parents, then please relinquish your rights as first son. No come dey chuk eye for family properties of you can't shoulder responsibility and be calm about it.

Ndewo

[/s] easy for you to say. You don't have any idea what's happening today

njelrapheal:
oh no. am more like a spectator. I would love you guys to address the issues with verifiabla facts and come to some form of agreements based on convictions.

ok

Dtruthspeaker:
Too long so I did not read it.

Like I have said and always said, everyone who has 2 monikers has been properly identified.

Right now WORKCH HAS 3, FatherofJesus has 2 (that I know of) Somnvayina has 2.

All where caught.

LAY TRAPS BETWEEN FOR US

everyone have detected the mental instability