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GardenOfGod:
Religion has a working principles that if adhered to, could eliminate SIN physically.

Religion doesn’t work, it’s built on lies.

Things that are built on lies don’t work.

Goldbw122:
Yes he exist very much, if you exist, the unseen and the seen exist, then sum it up the higher authority who govern the whole affairs of men trueky exist, do you know that somepeople don't believe that the president of their country is alive? He is not celebrating himself or announce himself does not mean that he does not exist.. Now check if your kidney exist, yeah it does but you are not seeing the organs...

So what I have to say is.

Just believe..

Give me a testable and repeatable experiment to test this.

Image123:
Eeyah, going all emotional on the fact instead of thinking. Don't fight the facts.

Emotional? Why?
I am not the person who serve a nonexistent sky daddy

GardenOfGod:
If you are sincere to yourself you will agree with me that science is inadequate.
Science has failed to solve the major problem of man which is SIN AND DEATH!
Sin causes so many problems of man including death. The day science will stop death is the day religion will be exterminated.

This is the same “whataboutism” I was taking about.

How ha religion solved that problem?

Goldbw122:
Religion will not die, but people will ignore it, like they know it exist but they just don't want to seek the face of God anymore, by then God will will be preparing to come.

you still think this god exist?

Image123:
Lol, i don't do things like you. There's a whole team here, we thought it through before you were born.

God helps you think then because it’s obvious nothing exist in your head.

Image123:
You have a higher probability dying this month than that happening, wake up son.

You really thought this through before posting it?

OgogoroFreak:
Relion can never die and will never die.

Because, religion is older than you, your father and your grandfather. You mean people were not intelligent in the past? Even in the past, some people don't believe in religion. Same thing today... And it will still be like that tomorrow.

see how you reason?
Religion is older than me and my father it means it will not die. Damn dude, figures shows that religion is slowly heading to the precipice. More and more people are not buying the lies. Religion is not older than humanity, it was created by primitive humans who can’t explain natural phenomena as much as we do today. Smart people don’t create a conclusion before looking for evidence.

Science is waking people up, check up various studies online.

Good evening bros and sis, it’s no longer a news that “no religion” is the fastest growing religious status in the world and its not surprising why that is happening. Science and innovations is making people smarter and a lot of people are seeing the lies in religion. In few centuries, religion will struggle real bad to hold on to their relevance as science exposes more of the lies in it.

The reason smart people think religion is most likely a lie is that it’s common to all religion never to provide evidence for whatever they claim they have. Aside this, religion in its self is a fallacy. Religion reaches a conclusion before finding evidence, that’s a very odd way of establishing the truth. It’s like eating a food before cooking it, you can never know how tasty it is.
Religion already reached the conclusion that a supernatural being controls everything, you don’t have to sort for evidence to believe this conclusion, that’s why even a child that is incapable of reasoning can believe such conclusions. And then they go ahead sorting for evidence to back this conclusion. Religion often do not find any testable evidence for thousands of claims hence they adopted the tactics of distorting already existing evidence (they do it ignorantly though) that doesn’t conform their existing conclusion of “god did it”
You start seeing distortions like:
Atheism is also a religion

Microevolution is true but no evidence for macroevolution

Fossil records are inaccurate.

Nothing can come from nothing, but bang is a lie.

Etc but they will never provide testable evidence to counter it. This is why they can never be taking seriously in scientific procedures. You can’t counter an existing testable evidence with just words, you have to provide verifiable and testable counter-evidence.

When you pressure them a lot, they reach a premise that it’s impossible for the physical to comprehend things the spiritual, instead of providing evidence that the spiritual exist in the first place. How can we even take that seriously when there is no evidence that a spiritual realm exist?

They distort everything, play gimmicks with words and definition and you know why they do that, no evidence for whatever they say hence they want to create the pictures that everyone including science doesn’t have evidence as well, so no one knows the absolutely truth yet. Like a “whataboutism” fallacy.

This tricks won’t last long, people are becoming wiser, mostly in the eastern and western world. Religion is dying and it’s just a matter of time until its no longer makes sense to the majority.

It doesn’t matter how long lies persist, truth always catch up. That’s what is happening .

Image123:
God is not religion and religion is not God.

you can deceive yourself all you like. As long as it makes you happy

LordReed:
Dey lie small small na. Only the Haiti president was assassinated and how did you know it was because he didn't sign some agreement? The assassin told you?

The way you have patience for these insane people is a tall order for me.
I just immediately let them know how insane they are

Image123:
What she is saying is not the gospel, neither is it found in the Bible. Jesus Christ doesn't tell tales about 5G.
Live your life prepared for the coming of the Lord, don't live in fear, take precautions against disease and rejoice in the Lord always.

Sister happiness is what religion has turned most people into.

Pelecius:
LWKMD

I'm glad someone (and maybe a couple more) else noticed what I noticed with you.

Enjoy yourself and have a nice day

Religious nairaland scientists think you are right when you say there’s evidence for speciation but none for evolution.

Funny people dudes

Pastor will soon cashout

jamesid29:
Well done sir/ma. We might disagree slightly on a few points (which is normal,we all disgree on one or two things), I truly applaud you for defending your position adequately with grace against arguments that are mostly ad hominem and evasions without concrete substance behind them.. Kinda makes one question workch's pedigree as an advanced degree holder with the types of arguments he's making.

Anyways, for what it's worth, well done sir/ma and Happy new month.

Lol , Who cares if you question the degree. i dont intend proving anything to dullards. i just want to make fun of him.

I know where to go if i want to have real scientific discussions i.e. Quora etc, not naiarland religious section where we have a lot of scientifically illiterate Nigerians.

If I see a good argument here, we converse, but when I see an ignorant one, I have fun. Especailly when that person is proudly ignorant

HedwigesMaduro:
What the hell is that gospel of the flying spaghetti thing? I thought it was some kinda internet joke, so I never bothered about researching on it.

Its was way Christianity is a joke people take seriously.

HedwigesMaduro:
Do you believe in historical records about Roman emperors? Do you believe Nero existed? Do you believe the stories about the persecution of Christians during the Roman era? Now if you do, do you believe people would agree to be killed without resistance based on some fictitious fella?

nope

HedwigesMaduro:
It doesn't. It just shows bias on your part against the subject of discussion.

But I am not talking about Socrates right now.

Pelecius:
people who argue complexity don't even argue that evolution didn't happen
Absurd claim! You should say that evolutionists don't argue that evolution didn't happen. Or do you think that all scientists subscribe to evolution? Even with the risk involve in publicizing your scientific criticism of evolution (the Darwin "bulldogs" won't even allow such publication), thousands of scientists don't subscribe to it.

Secondly, you had ignorantly joined the bandwagon in erroneously claiming that evolution has nothing to do with complexity. Why are you now implying that? Which should we take? That complexity have been trashed some centuries ago or people still discuss it (and is very relevant in evolutionary biology)?

they obviously do not think that speciation has evidence and evolution doesn't.
Again, you've limited yourself like the car battery analogy. Speciation does not equate to evolution. It's a well known mechanism and I have discussed that using some classic examples earlier. But you seem to be locked in your world of speciation belongs to evolution only, which is wrong. Just as a battery does not belong to a car only.

The argument they present is whether it's unidirectional or random
When I say you just begged the question now, all hell would be loosed. You are yet to show that your first paragraph is valid and true, yet, you assume it and now proceed to make a case for them.

Evidence suggests that it's not unidirectional and that's why natural selection takes the weaker traits at any given point in time
Do you mean that because evolution is not unidirectional, that's why natural selection take the weaker traits? (What's non sequitur again sef? )
Again, you just prove my point by declaring the general believe about evolution. The fact that it's allegedly not unidirectional indicates that there is increased complexity and even reduced complexity. The former is what we have been asking for it's evidence, the latter is what I have provided evidence for (which is definitely what most evolution dissenters talk about). In fact, the latter is what you set out to prove yourself, as will be seen.

A simple experiment to test this is to study the mutations in the spike proteins in the measles rebeola virus. Any single mutation in these proteins doesn't lead to any complexity, the virus loses its ability to enter host cells and it dies off
That has been what I had talked about. Just that in this case, the virus is not complex enough such that loss of genetic information (in the spike protein) is fatal for it. Unlike in higher organisms where loss of information in one part may be near neutral to such organism but accumulation of mutation in the genome will eventually lead to genetic entropy and eventually, extinction.

These example are very numerous in nature and that is why we have several genetic disorders
This is what creation scientists have predicted all along, and if not for modern medicine, humans should have reached a genetic bottleneck. Mutation has been the mechanism provided by Darwin and disciples as mechanism for gradual modification in gaining
and developing new functions. But empirical studies have shown that opposite is usually the case. It's what we know, O "learned" one. You're the one who should study WIDE

This is also the basis for the production of measles vaccine. You see why evolution is very important in biology?
Funny. Measles vaccine is just another type of vaccine and vaccines have been developed before Darwin. One important one was even developed by Lois Pasteur (I mentioned his name specifically ).
So how is vaccine production related to evolution? But believers would mostly enjoy some self delusion to maybe make themselves happy. Just like the usual mantra of anyone who does not subscribe to evolution (as evidence against it is just overwhelming) is ignorant and stupid.
Anything to make believers happy

I don't expect you to understand anything I typed
Like I said earlier, anything to make believers happy .
The way you've been postings since makes me doubt your stories. As I believe that one with such degree in Biochemistry should not be acting (both in knowledge and behavior) the way you've largely been.

the basics is that evolution doesn't have any aim of increasing complexity. That's jargons.
No one have said that as far as I have discussed. I only asked you to provide evidence of how speciation would lead to increased complexity, since you were equating speciation to evolution. And you can't argue increasing complexity again as I have provided screenshot of how evolution experts have tried to provide mechanism for it.
You have only end up in attacking straw man. (Logic 101 )

So if you are talking about increasing complexity, maybe you learnt that from the Bible because that's obviously doesn't exist in science class.
Your question begging epithet is noted. (Logic 101 ).
I have attached a screenshot of few sites who promotes evolution and which talked about increased complexity. I want to believe that our "learned" one knows more than them . And since they talked about it, they must have learned it from the Bible. And what they present does not exist in our "learned" one's science class. LWKD

You don't know these because you learn science from the Bible, which is a very wrong place to learn about things that are real and existing.
Another absurd claim. We showed already that top organizations agree with what I have been saying. But seems you're the one who knows better, O "learned" one
Clearly, those organizations must be talking about things that doesn't exist since they agree with me. LWKMD

measles vaccine is just another vaccine and vaccines have been developed before Darwin, it means Evolution started when Darwin discovered it?

It’s just like saying people were flying before Isaac Newton discovered Gravity

You are so full

slowpoke doesn’t know that to formulate a vaccine perfectly, you have to monitor the evolutionary trend the pathogen, how do you think they manufacture the annual influenza virus? By guessing the next variant? You be Mumu, I swear .

What did you even study in school?

HedwigesMaduro:
I'm not using that to prove the existence of Jesus. I'm using it to show how silly the premise for your logic is. Geez!.

Ok, I don’t believe they existed, can you show me prove of the existence of a Jesus?

HedwigesMaduro:
You believe Socrates existed without his writing (but through another person's writing). But to believe Jesus existence, you need His writing. Do you see what I'm pointing out to you?

Hw does believing I Socrates existence proves Jesus existence?

Pelecius:
Are you telling me that I should discard the opinion of sites of those who are invested in proving evolution for you who actually learn from them?
Did you not see the pictures clearly? Were they my writings?
Come on "learned" one, you seem to know evolution more than your "teachers"

people who argue complexity don't even argue that evolution didn't happen and they obviously do not think that speciation has evidence and evolution doesn't.

The argument they present is whether it's unidirectional or random. Evidence suggests that it's not unidirectional and that's why natural selection takes the weaker traits at any given point in time.

A simple experiment to test this is to study the mutations in the spike proteins in the measles rebeola virus. Any single mutation in these proteins doesn't lead to any complexity, the virus loses its ability to enter host cells and it dies off. These example are very numerous in nature and that is why we have several genetic disorders. This is also the basis for the production of measles vaccine. You see why evolution is very important in biology?

I don't expect you to understand anything I typed there but the basics is that evolution doesn't have any aim of increasing complexity. That's jargons. A mutation that is favourable today might be harmful tommorow, it's all depends on the certain environmental factors that ensures natural selection. So if you are talking about increasing complexity, maybe you learnt that from the Bible because that's obviously doesn't exist in science class.

You don't know these because you learn science from the Bible, which is a very wrong place to learn about things that are real and existing.

hupernikao:
Verifiable bawo.

Is like you are just new as an atheist or its associates. That's a starters language.

The onus is on you to defend your unresearched question if you intend to go further.

Like I told you, not everything comes as argument. Close the thread, it's past its usefulness.

I am not the person who saida sky daddy we can't see or verify exist.
I have nothing to prove.

Pelecius:
For the "evolution has nothing to do with complexity" statement of faith

the issue of complexity has been trashed since the 18th century and you are still stuck there.

Increasing Complexity means evolution is directional/has a purpose and no evidence suggest that’s the case. Evolution doesn’t have a purpose, it’s directed by natural selection and it’s aim is not to make more complex organisms. The aim is to select organisms that are more adapted to a particular environmental condition.

Pelecius:
To the screenshot below, you answered with "I ask questions and there answers there already" (paraphrased).
The question begging here (what you wrote there is a simplified explanation and better seen as circular argument) is that I questioned your claim by asking if we are evolving, with continuous accumulation of mutation. Your answer implied yes in such a way of "you have said it already" without supporting it.

A better example of question begging is:
What evidence is there for abiogenesis?
Ans: if it didn't occur, we won't be here

just stick to reading the Bible, you can never make it in philosophy and logic. I have never said Abiogenesis occurred, it's no one's probelm if you are too daft to differentiate evolution from Abiogenesis and then you keep mentioning it whenever we talk about evolution.
That’s not how begging the question work. Dude, stop embarrassing yourself upandan.

When you beg the questions, you make points and then you make your point sounds like a conclusion already. You are too stupid to learn but I will give you several examples.

There’s no begging the question fallacy in the comment, if you had asked how accumulated mutations caused evolution and then I reply with “it’s a scientific fact that mutations lead to evolution” that would have been begging the question.

I can’t beg the question when I didn’t make any point or whatsoever.

PeaceJoyLove:
In that case, you have a long way to go in testable evidences. The rich man will not reveal the secret to you. Only things which are obsolete are revealed. Knowledge is the beginning of wisdom.

Those who gave you big bang went into it when it wasn't testable. It is why it is called research - you search what is not testable. You merely looked into what others say. I'm giving you HINTS and where to look at and develop a conclusion not based on only what others say, but on what you come up with. Please, quickly go for your PhD and learn how desertations are done. And find out why some are giving awards for their papers.

Having said this, you arent ready for the truth. And goodluck with basing your judgment on only what have been writing down and not what you can write down. As for me, I am into what I can write for generations to build on, and not explaining and stopping at what have been writing down already. You develop what is testable in the abstract. Most scientific studies coming to pass now were non testable, but some sat down to make them testable.

Find God when and where you can find Him. I hope you know the verse. If you do, you will return to where most say you can find Him and start looking for the missing links there. But going elsewhere, na confusion you go meet.

By the way, I checked your other threads and I saw where you said Jesus is in Mohammed's hell and Mohammed in Jesus'. Well, I understand you. Just cool off. God will lead you back to Him. Take care!

Goodluck! And Goodbye!

if it doesn’t have evidence then we can say it’s real. As simple as that

PeaceJoyLove:
I scanned through this thread and I was just smiling all through. Though, it is time consuming to read word for word all as I do not even have the time, but I got the general gist.

Bro, too many insights in this thread. Hmmmm! Here are points for you:

1. Most religious people esp moslims and christians are zombies. Oh! I am a christian though. It is sad most don't even question the Bible. Nigerian christianity and Islam is something else. But I dont blame them. I know the reason after many years. And I really felt deeply pained when I discovered this truth.

2. Science , evolution, big bang theory, etc. are not complete too. There is more. The way God (I noticed you use "g" for Him....lol) works is mysterious. Hmmmm. I have a feeling that He will allow Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Richard Bradon build homes in the outer space this time. Do you know that this is the parable of the Babel Tower another attempt? And then, the game will change. I read it somewhere one moniker told you that Bing bang theory was actually theist theory but was hijacked. It is deep bro. God always use the plan of the enemy to fulfill prophesies. Just like the story of the death and resurrection of Jesus. Anyway, it doesn't make sense to the physical man. It's ok.

3. I passed through these stages too. The thing is that our Sunday school teachers dont know these things too. Our pastors too do not know.

4. Now, there is a NL who is an atheist, he is LordReed. It will be nice to share thoughts with him. Some months ago, he wrote that there seems to be in existence some gods. And I shouted "that's it". This man is getting it. He is hungry for the truth. Cos like me too, I did not want to throw away my childish memories too fast. I struggled hard to go against my background. And this same reason is why you opened this thread. You want to convince yourself that there is no God. You are looking for more answers. But these ignorant powerless christians will just start cursing you when they are in serious need of deliverance and help. Mumu people in bondage under their evil pastors. I pity most of them. If they are free, Nigeria will be prosperous. How can they say God is great and they know Him and they are lavishing in poverty. They cry on Sundays but they are still poor. Imagine. And they will be the first to shout hell fire. Mumu people.

5. Religious people will not help you. Rather, they will abuse you. I abused people too and I have been abused. But such strategy only hardens the heart. Meanwhile, just be soft hearted. The moment you are strong hearted, that's it. You will never discuss it again. That you opened this thread means you are not fully an atheist. You are still looking for answers.

Next Step
I am glad you are back to Nigeria. Hmm. Bro, if you can pick D.K. Olukoya genetically research papers (really I dont know how but I read mostly all through his office in Yaba, the research center there). Do you know D.K Olukoya? The enemy must die fire pastor. The pastor who brought "die by fire" to Nigeria. Now, how can a genetics expert who was trained in the UK (first class brain) with genetically papers published by science journals be a "die by fire" person and at the same time published accepted scientific papers about genes. You too know that all these you are saying are about genetical engineering and science. Science is the theory and revelation, while the engineering part is the practical and process of implenting it. Aging cause has been detected and engineers are working on it. Soon old age will be regarded as a disease. For a start research "Telomere and Aging". Perhaps you know it cos I see you are good in finding facts.

Bro, your answers are in the abstract. The next step is the one many of us took. The great Wole Soyinka took this path too. And I keep telling all that, you will abandon science bros if you take this path. You will. Lord Reed is about to, but may not be a christian. You will belong somewhere if you take the next step. However, the right way is the christian way if you can detect it. I know because I researched all other ways very well. I didnt fall into the traps the likes of Wole Soyinka fell. After promoting atheism for some parts of his youthful years, and he returned home, Wole became an ogun worshipper.

Take it easy. May the Lord direct your steps. Please, stop arguing with people here. It may not make sense but still say silent prayers to that God you feel doesn't exist now. It helps.

Bro, when you meet someone (a complete illiterate without access to technology or internet) who you know doesnt know your background, meet you the first time, and starts downloading your past and future, you will sit up. Where is big bang? When you see mysteries in Naija you will know. See, people are zombies to religion because there is power and mysteries in the traditional setting which used to oppress them. And it is not opened to all. Only tiny set of people have access to it. And they keep protecting it from the public. You mess with these set, they waste you. And majority have access to what can still protect them from these powers ....hmmmmm. they cannot have a reasoning brain. They will be a zombie to that savior. Go an learn about rural life in Naija. Find out from grassroot communities. You think say the likes of Ayo Fauose, the former Ekiti Gov who is a grassroot politician but always promoting his spiritual wife is a fo.ol? So, you think the likes of late Harry Akande, Dehinde Fernandez, Chinua Achebe, and the one who is still alive ...prof Wole Soyinka did not study deep like you? Did they not belong somewhere? Bro....you are a kid. Small kid no sabi juju (voodoo, he dey call am vegetsble)

Bro...soul traveling is real. That space Bezos, Musk, Bradson wasted billions of dollars to travel is an easy journey to high rank Benin travellers. Have you not heard of Benin Airways? Yet, you dey talk about big bang theory. Reporting physical in the spiritual is real. Your answers are in the abstract world. Forget the stories in the Bible which have been manipulated. The Bible was tampered with many times. Yet, the Bible is still the answer. You must know how to read it. Mysteries and codes are in it. The Bible is an open secret but many do not know how to unlock the gems in it. That's a story for another day. One of the real things is that book in the Ark of God. Bro....if you lay your hands on it, hahahahha. I know about it cos I have Jewish friends. Bro, follow Reno Omokri and you will start reading mysteries. The guy is travelling like me too. He went to Turkey and Isreal. See, I started travelling when my pastor said he gained so much in traveling. Na American white man oooo, no be Naija. Have you read the link of Isreal to Yoruba people? Ibo has a link too, but not the way these Ipob and useless threads on NL are promoting it. Bro, go and research who the real Queen of Shebbah who married King Solomon was.


Bros, a beg start history. Leave big bang for now. Combine history with it. Dont be a one sided person so you dont regret it later. Add history. Bro...you will be shocked. If possible visit your root. I always tell my British, American and Canadian friends always saying ...my daddy or mommy is Nigerian, I am Nogerian too. Na lie. FEM in the words of Davido. Which Nigerian are they? I have assisted some to find their way home despite these security crisis. See, nothing like insecurity in Nigeria if you know your way. Even as at this moment, the American govt is discouraging US citizens from visiting Nigeria. I laughed when a friend who is trying to get his Nigerian passport in the US but unsuccessful due to the corruption there, but also doesnt want to come without any passport cos he knows those in the airport at the point of entry are ma.d set of people will .ake life terrible for him. He wanted to take Nigerian visa on his American passport at least to visit, despite he went to tje US at 31 years and have stayed for close to 30 years there. In fact, this is what I always advise even Nigerians do. Travel home with the Nigerina visa on your foreign passport. And go report yourself to the embassy. Even you have the Nigerian passport, stop using it to travel to Nigeria. E get reason now.

Anyway dont let me bore you. Na experience a dey talk from. May God lead you to Himself again.

Goodluck sir!

i was hoping to see a testable evidence for god but I didn’t see any

Pelecius:
Do you know what the call question begging fallacy, O "learned" one?

This plenty talks won't happen if our "intelligent" one have knowledge of or can apply logic

I don’t think you do yourself.

You want to teach me about fallacies? Lol You don’t even understand whatever you say. Begging the question fallacy is when the body of your argument already assumes that your conclusion is correct instead of supporting it.

An example of begging the question fallacy is “god exist because the Bible said he exist ”. How is this an equivalence to whatever I typed here.

Maybe you think when you use those terms, it makes you sound intelligent

You are dumb at everything, even recognizing fallacies

Pelecius:
Finally, someone tries to answer the challenge (just that he didn't really do that).
I repeat, equating evolution to speciation is false equivocation. So you should be the one to not embarrass himself by using such fallacy.

You just showed that speciation ONE of the few COMPONENTS used to explain evolution, just as glue one of the types of adhesive. We've been telling the "learned" one for some days now.

Now, to address your points.
You didn't really answer the question of how speciation would lead to increased complexity (from a simpler life, e.g. a bacterium to a higher one such as fish; as Darwinists interpret the fossil records).
You only explained diversity, which I talked about that this is the major talking point of Creationists.

The moment any population living organism starts portraying any of this components, it has already started evolving.
This is where you begin to expose ignorance again.
You mentioned 4 things and said if population portrays ANY of the components, it has start evolving. Now, humans have accumulated mutations and population geneticists say that we keep accumulating them, does that translate to us evolving, O "learned" one?

I don’t know if you can comprehend this but I will try harder to explain.
Speciation is like a part of a car, evolution is the car. Speciation cannot work independent of the whole car
He then acts funny again
O "learned" one, there are parts of a car that can work independent of the whole car. The battery is part of it. It can work in another device which is not a car (to explain that speciation is not exclusive to evolution worldview)

You see why I have been making fun of you all these while? It’s impossible to believe in speciation without believing in evolution because speciation is the final process of all evolving specie that has adapted to changing environmental conditions over time.
Your self delusion is amazing. Was I the one who was equating a component to the whole system?
And just like your analogy, it's possible to know the use of batteries and not limit oneself that it's a component of cars ONLY. It can be used to as components of inverter system (not the inverter circuit o).
So, I know speciation and in fact, creation scientists predict rapid diversification at some past, which has been verified empirically.

It’s either you don’t understand speciation, evolution or both
So far, you have been the "learned" one who equated component of a system to the system

you always answer your questions and still don’t get the answers.

Pelecius:
Finally, someone tries to answer the challenge (just that he didn't really do that).
I repeat, equating evolution to speciation is false equivocation. So you should be the one to not embarrass himself by using such fallacy.

You just showed that speciation ONE of the few COMPONENTS used to explain evolution, just as glue one of the types of adhesive. We've been telling the "learned" one for some days now.

Now, to address your points.
You didn't really answer the question of how speciation would lead to increased complexity (from a simpler life, e.g. a bacterium to a higher one such as fish; as Darwinists interpret the fossil records).
You only explained diversity, which I talked about that this is the major talking point of Creationists.

The moment any population living organism starts portraying any of this components, it has already started evolving.
This is where you begin to expose ignorance again.
You mentioned 4 things and said if population portrays ANY of the components, it has start evolving. Now, humans have accumulated mutations and population geneticists say that we keep accumulating them, does that translate to us evolving, O "learned" one?

I don’t know if you can comprehend this but I will try harder to explain.
Speciation is like a part of a car, evolution is the car. Speciation cannot work independent of the whole car
He then acts funny again
O "learned" one, there are parts of a car that can work independent of the whole car. The battery is part of it. It can work in another device which is not a car (to explain that speciation is not exclusive to evolution worldview)

You see why I have been making fun of you all these while? It’s impossible to believe in speciation without believing in evolution because speciation is the final process of all evolving specie that has adapted to changing environmental conditions over time.
Your self delusion is amazing. Was I the one who was equating a component to the whole system?
And just like your analogy, it's possible to know the use of batteries and not limit oneself that it's a component of cars ONLY. It can be used to as components of inverter system (not the inverter circuit o).
So, I know speciation and in fact, creation scientists predict rapid diversification at some past, which has been verified empirically.

It’s either you don’t understand speciation, evolution or both
So far, you have been the "learned" one who equated component of a system to the system

dumb, there’s nothing like increase complexity in evolution. That statement was created by dummies like you

We said that countless times still the thick skull can’t absorb it.


Speciation and creation in one statement?
How does that work?

rosalieene:
So, what's the moral lesson of this story?
Believe all you want but you can't take away the fact that there is a one true God.

He is probably the Hindu god

HellVictorinho:
Is Google not helping matters

He tried googling but still didn’t understand. A lot of people also do not know how to sieve online information.