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FreedomArmy:
i do have a knowledge of evolution. Even Darwin didn't have the wholistic data to back it up. You can't make a conclusion from insufficient data and call it it truth. The problem is that any contrary view againt the scientific community accepted standard are met with a stone wall. Stephen Meyer has given his argument using well established scientific method of thought but here you are dismissing him just like others. I am happy that there are well red scientist ( I mean PhD guys who agree with his argument )

To me evolution is just a believe system. There are not enough to call evolution the truth. Infact its still a theory and theories are open for debate.

I doubt you have any knowledge on evolution, else you would have known that Darwin’s theory of evolution has been updated and very much complete for now. If you can drop your ego, I can teach you how it works.

Darwin’s theory or evolution was based on only natural selection but that’s outdated and has been updated since the discovery of DNA by Watson and crick to the modern synthetic of evolution. You are holding old information.


The modern theory of evolution is what is invoke since about 60years. It comprises evolution by variations, natural selections and mutations.

We have a newer model called integral model established in 2012, we have been updating. That’s how science works, you have update unlike religion.

Stephen Meyer is not a scientist, he’s a philosopher of science and he didn’t give any scientific method. He stated clearly in his book that we isn’t a scientist ( I doubt you even understand the book) and doesn’t have any method to back his claim however he’s arguing from a logical point.

My friend, it’s always better to say you don’t understand than hold sciolistic views on matters. You can never learn as a sciolist.

Enceladus:
A system of faith.

And please don't add in a superhuman being.

its not compulsory to have a deity in religion but you have adulterated the definition as a result of your mischief.

The most important quality of any religion is to hold dogmas. Dogmas are beliefs that cannot be changed even when you present overwhelming evidence.

The moment you organize yourself to hold infallible dogmas, you become a religion and that’s not the case in science. Everything is fallible as long as you provide new evidence.


You ended up committing a fallacy of Tu quoque, is an informal fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behavior as being inconsistent with the argument's conclusion(s). It’s also called the “you also” fallacy.


You guys should realize that we have had this debate time without numbers, we can predict every move of an insecure religious person.

FreedomArmy:
do you know that all we know about life from the study of science is from less than a 5% sample? Scientist talk like they have done a wholistic study of everything and come to a conclusion. The truth is that the theory of evolution is like a religion in the scientific community and everyone who wants acceptance must conform.
Please what is the evidence of a common ancestry to all biological organism?

To answer your question on the evidence of common ancestry to all biological organisms.

Isolate a neuronal cell from a human and rat, a phloem parenchyma from plant, an euglena and any algae. Give them glucose sugar and monitor their metabolism. It’s will be exactly the same until We get to the stage where Phosphoenolpyruvic acid is been converted to pyruvic acid.

Why is it the same?
The answer is in the genetic make up, go there and identify the genes responsible for the identical metabolic pathway, they are variations from commons sources. These genes will still bear the common marker in all the cells.

The identity can also been seen in gene replications, protein synthesis and gene transcriptions. Whenever we go back to check the genes responsible for these metabolic processes, we discover that they are all identical in every organisms hence the statement “ all livingthings are the same at the molecular level”

Enceladus:
So they converted you into atheism religion abi? Sorry to tell you that you are still not free from religion. Science is a religion and the scientific method with a little bit of arrogance is the god.

Define religion?

FreedomArmy:
do you know that all we know about life from the study of science is from less than a 5% sample? Scientist talk like they have done a wholistic study of everything and come to a conclusion. The truth is that the theory of evolution is like a religion in the scientific community and everyone who wants acceptance must conform.
Please what is the evidence of a common ancestry to all biological organism?

Dude, we don’t know and we are not ashamed of saying we don’t know but one thing we know is that science has provided more answers than religion and because we don’t know it today doesn’t mean we won’t find out tomorrow, we have always proven this. Religion always want to answer all questions with one unquestionable answer of “god did it”. Which is unacceptable

Evolution is not religion, it works and has been applied in various fields of science. I am confident that you don’t understand the topic like every typical person hence you comment.

Without theory of evolution, we can’t research new antibiotic molecules. I’m saying this as a clinical Biochemist.

Without theory of evolution, no organisms will exist today. All would have been extinct.

If you still do not understand how it works, I can run you through it.

Karleb:
Just like one of my lecturers that did his doctorate degree abroad, he came back home as an atheist.

You learnt about Big Bang, theory of relativity after graduation?

Omo! It shows why a lot of people are really ignorant. I learnt about theory of evolution and big bang theory as a senior secondary student.

Heroes, a movie series really helped in that regard. Of course, you can't learn these theories and remain thesame knowledge wise.

I didn’t learn much in school seriously, Nigerian schools are almost useless in sciences.

I learnt most of the things I know after I graduated, of course with the basics I got as a graduate of biochemistry with strong knowledge in chemistry.

Karleb:
It seems you are a follower of the pink invisible unicorn and the flying spaghetti monster.

All these atheists sha.

how else can we show our religious folks how Russel’s teapot works?

Iyasaburi:
Have faith in God and that God exists. The word of God is true.
Demons are real, I hope you know

There is no method to verify what you are saying is true, same way you can’t tell me that unicorns don’t exist because I believe they exist by faith.

FreedomArmy:
so what do you think is the original of the biological information found in the DNA

I don’t know, we don’t have evidence for it yet, we only have hypothesis called abiogenesis and panspermia.
What we have evidence for is that evolution occurred and every living thing on earth share common ancestry.

It’s better to have questions that has not been answered than have answers that cannot be questioned. Religion provide answers that cannot be questioned, that’s not a good way to learn.

FreedomArmy:
thanks for the correction.its Stephen Meyer who wrote the book. This guy holds a PhD in the philosophy of science. His argument is consistent with the latest scientific discovery. You cant just dismiss him until you have red the book. He has engaged with notable scientist in the subject of origin of life and looking at his background,you can't just dismiss him. You can also look up his videos on YouTube and listen to his argument.
Signature in the cell by Stephen Meyer. You need to read it

Even in his philosophy, he committed serious fallacies. He’s so funny.

I laugh whenever I remember him and his argument.

How can you fill the gaps with intelligent design because chemical evolution hasn’t been proven? You are filling the gaps of an ideology that hasn’t been proven with another one that hasn’t been proven. Doesn’t make sense. That’s wack philosophy

Iyasaburi:
It is faith, my brother. You only believe! Our lives doesn't ends here. Be humble!

I have faith that unicorns exist.

How do you intend verifying that?

FreedomArmy:
google signature in the cell by frank tripler. Read it and see his argument against the theory of evolution. You must not be an atheist just because you didn't have everything clear.
I have also red quantum physics and came to understand that at the base level,we all are made of discrete particles not different from one another. Infact it seems as if we are in a digital simulation.

The book written by Stephen Meyer is not only largely philosophical but fallacious in that regard

He argued Based on cause and effect to explain intelligent design which will philosophically lead to an infinite regress of infinitesimal causes. He didn’t even provide evidence for this.

Secondly, dude said since we have not found evidence for chemical Evolution, chance is that intelligent design must have occurred. That’s a serious case of fallacy of appealing to ignorance. Because we haven’t find the evidence is not evidence that god did it. You have to find evidence for your “god did it” still.


Thirdly, he did not argue against evolution, you seem not to understand his premise. He argued against abiogenesis, he didn’t say that evolution didn’t occur, he only concluded that the process must have been designed. He’s just an average Christian trying to look for evidence for his conclusions instead of the doing it the other way. You see why he can’t be taken seriously?

FreedomArmy:
google signature in the cell by frank tripler. Read it and see his argument against the theory of evolution. You must not be an atheist just because you didn't have everything clear.
I have also red quantum physics and came to understand that at the base level,we all are made of discrete particles not different from one another. Infact it seems as if we are in a digital simulation.

I think Stephen wrote this books and not Franklin.

That dude is such a hilarious creationist. I can tell you why science can never take him seriously

ThothHermes:
Your faculties of spiritual perception are deadened. So you won't be able to perceive the evidence even if it landed on your head.

Is this another way of saying you don’t have evidence?

KnownUnknown:
I am very sorry.

No apologies bro. Not your fault

Iyasaburi:
Bros, I think you are straying,. Life does not end with chemistry and physics. The physical is controlled by the spiritual. There is much more to life, the world than what man can fantom. What you need is humidity and don't waste the privilege you've been given.
God bless you.

You have evidence for the spiritual?

KnownUnknown:
This part I conceive to be the most important and consequential of your post. You are now partly awake to how the world is, unfortunately many of your compatriots will never unshackle themselves from the slavery of comfortable lies. Imagine if your teachers, educators, and scientists in Nigeria did not have their intellect constrained by their beliefs; they could have eradicated malaria through evolutionary research about mosquitoes, instead malaria remains a prayer point.

Malaria is very easy to eradicate with the proper mentality and political will to invest in research. We can make and release GM male mosquitoes with the gene that passes to the offspring to kill female progeny at larval stage, it has proven to be very effective in Europe and U.S.

But here we are, Africa can’t solve any problem because they are overly religious and it affect their sense of reasoning. They prefer importing antimalarial drugs and the developed world know this hence they won’t solve the problem for us.

Since I came back to Nigeria, I have not practiced, there’s almost nothing like research in biochemistry in Nigeria. It’s virtually non-existent.

kestolove95:
start studying the Qur'an.....I bet you, u will thank me lerra

You think I haven’t read the Quran?

I have gone as far as reading the Hindu Dharma-shastra, Book of Mormon, Midrash and even the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

None is consistent with reality. Of all, the Hindu Dharma-shastra and Buddhist Sutras is closest to reality but still full of fictions

Ynix:
The books you read have finally confused you, let me be sincere I believe I went farther than you, please do not allow knowledge that are just fact to deceive you

So what are the evidence you got? I will be happy to get this clear.

I like going to the church to sing and play keyboard. I will happy if there’s evidence for god but right now, I haven’t seen any.

sucess001:
Which other religion is so accurate about the events of the end times?

End times is hoax, stop dreaming.

It’s no surprise that I am an atheist, but one thing people don’t know about me is that I was a Christian for 28years. Yes 28years.

I was not just a Christian, I had full membership in my church and was a member of the choir. I was born into a Christian home, we had morning and evening devotions everyday as a child. My dad personally tried indoctrinating us a lot, we read the Bible every single day and then he explains but seriously even as a child a lot of the stories didn’t add up but I was scared that I was being blasphemous.
I remember a day my dad was teaching us about Noah’s flood and then we got to that point where god said he’s using the rainbow as a sign to remind humanity that he would never destroy earth with flood. Even as a 9years old, that part didn’t make sense to me, because I see it in the news frequently of flood destroying farms, properties and even killing people. I asked my dad and he didn’t give me a reasonable explanation.
As a teenager, I started teaching Sunday school to kids in church, I taught them that god never change but in my mind, I wasn’t convinced because while reading the Bible, there many instances of god changing his mind and even regretting his decisions. I always think about it that the god of Old Testament seems different from what is portrayed in the New Testament, something changed. I kept a lot of things to myself because people around were so religious and would quickly rebuke me for such reasoning.
As time goes on, I joined the choir, I learn drums and keyboard, I sang choir ministrations and even wrote songs for my church choir. All these while, it wasn’t clear, I was just scared to come out fully.

I got admitted into the university to study biochemistry. Being someone that is very inquisitive, I started asking so many questions in respect to the relationship between living organisms. After having background knowledge in genetics, molecular biology and biological metabolism, it was clear that every living thing are the same basically. At this point, I didn’t even understand the theory of evolution properly but I had seen the a fairly clear picture. I had to go back and then study the theory of evolution properly (took weeks), because the impression I had from secondary school was that an ape turned into human. Our biology teachers, just like every other biology teachers in Nigerian schools, were so bad at teaching the theory of evolution. Seems like a lot of them didn’t even understand it.

Fast forward, I graduated, I still believed god existed. since after I properly studied the theory of evolution, I started holding the notion that God presided over evolution and the Bible is somehow consistent with the theory of evolution. This idea was born out of the sheer fear of not wanting to sound blasphemous to my beloved ones. After I graduated, I started reading wide, I didn’t like physics in school but I started reading physics (specifically quantum and astrophysics), I discovered about Big Bang theory, theory of relativity, string theory etc, it took a lot of time before I could grasp them but when I did, it became clearer that the Bible is not consistent with anything in reality.

It was difficult for me to accept this truth because I didn’t want to be seen as a blasphemer, not until I had the opportunity to run my masters degree abroad in clinical biochemistry. I met with lot of renown and brilliant people in the field of biochemistry. They were realistic in their beliefs and will not believe anything unless you can back it with evidence. I became bolder with time, we shared ideas as I studied. Th society gives everyone liberty and I was very free to come out clean with my realistic traits. A lot of my lecturers didn’t believe in god. I became a full fledged atheist in Europe by the time I finished my program.


Today, I have done several works and I still keep reading to find the truth, so far I haven’t seen anything consistent with the Christian God. I am back in Nigeria and trust me, I don’t have lot of friends for this reason. I have just two friends and they are both agnostic ( I made them agnostic because they are open minded and also brilliant Phd holders in biochemistry).

sucess001:
No matter how much you want to deny it...things have changed in the world and they are all things the bible pointed out would happen in the end times.

We are indeed in the very end times.

I pray not to be here after rapture. I pray you won't too

Lol, other religions are false, only Christianity is right.

You people are so funny and uninformed hence swallow every nonsense from your Bible

Righteousness2:
My GOD! My LORD!
I Fear GOD Afresh...

Friends and foes, These are not mere happenings!
These are Heavenly Fearful signs and Sights to the Earth Inhabitants to know and Understand that there is a GOD that rules and runs this Earth.
We are at the End of the End of times.
This Ship is Sinking!! JESUS only is the Means of Safety and Salvation.
Come into a relationship with KING JESUS so as to be Saved from what is Coming.

whats wrong with you?
Religious brain

Nonsense. Lol

Yes, for not practicing Islam, Jesus Christ is in Islam hell and Mohammed is in Christian hell.

They are both burning in Hindu hell as well.

matm:
Primary school teachers are supposed to earn higher than lecturers.University students do almost all academic work themselves.But these set of teachers start with unknown to known in teaching learner's who can neither read nor write.They teach,they are also responsible for d learner's all round development.

You see how you are reasoning like a cow?

A NCE holder who learnt simple stuffs in school should earn more than a Phd holder that invested years and money into researches and even specialized in his field. Oya na, let them finish primary school then start solving salient societal problems without the professors.

You are a product of the bad education with your laughable reasoning.

Davidonkonsults:
Many low IQ creatures here who don't understand sarcasm and cheek-in-tongue.

I swear, products of bad and substandard professors.

thebosstrevor1:
So how much should a professor be collecting?

400k is fat, as far as i am concerned

They should be collecting as much as other professors in other countries

BePrepared:
Yes no one has provided evidence they exist but u have provided evidence that a group of atom suddenly clash and formed man and woman.

Receive sense

No one said atoms suddenly clashed to create man and woman. You just created that hypothesis by yourself

Omoluabi1stborn:


They make no new research except copying and pasting.

Receiving Fat salaries.

No new discoveries.

Nonsense.

how is 400+ fat?

I earn 300+, i live alone and it’s still not enough, not to talk of a professor whom a lot people depend on financially

The salary is not fat dude. The ministry is insane

SuperbCrown:
She lose her senses and got the correct password.
You must have lost your senses too

You must have lost your senses to believe whatever she said without evidence.

No wonder a lot of you are gullible