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Eteka1:
Take them to Court.

Thank you sir. We know it is one of the options sir but not our priority for obvious reasons.
We are always very careful to know what the experience of anyone giving us this advice is with Nigerian courts.

newmoney133:
Your best shot is berekete family in Abuja.Consider them.

Thank you so very much sir. It is well noted for follow up sir.

We surely have a big problem with this horrible behaviour of people using their privileged position in big brands to steal the IP of small brands.

The same people who used our intellectual property behind us on behalf of First Bank for First Bank Plc are using their privileged offices and resources of the bank to attack us and the economic interest of Saharareporters that gave us a platform to be heard when the mainstream media avoided our plea like a plaque.

We were just informed by Saharareporters now that their economic interest through youtube and their altruistic decision to assist us in this campaign has been attacked and Google has temporarily suspended the video of our interview from being viewed by Nigerians resident within Nigeria.

However, we got the report from our well wishers that they can still view our interview conducted by Saharareporters overseas.

This is what we have been saying since about how big brands ride roughshod on small brands.
Now it's sahareporters that is being attacked for standing with us.
Please lend your voice here on Facebook as Saharareporters have vowed to remain as the voice of the oppressed by uploading same video here for view.

https://www.facebook.com/ReportYourself/videos/723288038412109/?sfnsn=scwspwa&d=w&vh=e&extid=9rN62wiqMoycKzDD&d=w&vh=e

We worked hard to create that logo and deserve to be paid. FBN is still allowing the same officials who used the instrument of a 125 year old bank to cheat us by using our intellectual property behind us and not paying us to persist in using the bank resources to bully us and attack the economic interest of those supporting us.

Thank you all sir. We are following up with the credible and sincere advice gotten so far and we are taking them as our resources can handle as a small brand.
God bless you all.We are truly grateful.

Highest ranking US Senator is not Senator Chuck Grassley.
It's actually 8th- term democrat Senator Patrick Joseph Leahy.

whemmytopsy:
Who send them....Have they paid for the logo they designed for their 125th year anniversary..... They should do that first.

Thank you for bringing up our case here sir.

We have not been paid by FBN for the logo we designed for their 125th Year anniversary celebrations and FBN is still protecting those who used their privileged position in FBN to cheat us out of our sweat and labour by using the logo we created for the bank to celebrate their 125th Year anniversary for First Bank Plc without our permission or paying us a dime.
We were interviewed by Saharareporters


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RKuP3nzXew

Instead of FBN to get in touch with us for an amicable solution, they called Saharareporters. When asked pointedly by Saharareporters if they had paid us, the FBN rep on the phone said No. When asked why, he promised to find out and get back to Saharareporters. It's been weeks now and still haven't gotten back to Saharareporters.
The bank doesn't have respect for creative talents and it's not fair at all.
This is the same bank spending millions on PR including this PR that flew straight to the front page of nairaland when our own plight as a small brand has not made FrontPage of nairaland in months now.

atilla:
Hello
I would like to advice you but pls answer these questions so I would know how to advice

1. You mentioned you were vendors with FBN. What kind of vendor?
2. Do you have a contract with FBN
3. Who were you discussing the pricing with?
4. What mannerWere your discussions of pricing in ? Email, letter, phone calls?
5. By Calling them out online do you know it can be a legal problem for you? I'm asking u this last question because you keep saying you dont to have legal issues with them

Pls simply answer these questions and dont write about how this issue is causing problems for you etc.and how FBM is frustrating you I've read this many times in your thread.

Thanks.

Thank you sir.
Most of these enquiries have been answered in this thread but luckily they were the salient points Saharareporters asked us in their interview sir.
Please kindly watch the interview sir.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RKuP3nzXew

We are wearing the shoes and suffering but should not write about it

That's akin to beating us and still asking us not to cry. With the amount of suffering FBN has inflicted and still inflicting on us as a small brand ,we will cry sir.
We are not on an academic exercise or kidding about on how badly we have been brought to our knees, we have suffered and still suffering from the way FBN ill treated us.

The people who used our design behind us for FBN on behalf of FBN are still in FBN recieving their salaries and bonuses yet we have recieved no single apology from FBN,no compensation to us and FBN has not sanctioned the people who used their privileged position in FBN to cheat us out of our sweat and labour.

atilla:
Hello
I would like to advice you but pls answer these questions so I would know how to advice

1. You mentioned you were vendors with FBN. What kind of vendor?
2. Do you have a contract with FBN
3. Who were you discussing the pricing with?
4. What mannerWere your discussions of pricing in ? Email, letter, phone calls?
5. By Calling them out online do you know it can be a legal problem for you? I'm asking u this last question because you keep saying you dont to have legal issues with them

Pls simply answer these questions and dont write about how this issue is causing problems for you etc.and how FBM is frustrating you I've read this many times in your thread.

Thanks.

Thank you sir. Most of these enquiries have been answered in this thread but luckily they were the salient points Saharareporters asked us in their interview. Please kindly watch the interview sir.

Cvesta:
You are Still missing the point

No sir.
He who wears the shoes know where it pinches sir.
Sincerely, we would gladly exchange places with you sir.
This is a deeply entrenched and strongly notorious corporate culture we are up against sir.

The big brand steals your IP and when you ask to be paid, they refuse and dare you to go to court.And if you take it to social media, they kill you with paid social media influencers and trolls and use the mainstream media to stop your news from going out. Thank God for nairaland and Saharareporters.

We didn't decieve ourselves by thinking it would be EASY.

We will remain resolute until we get paid.

The more First Bank Plc hurts us after using our intellectual property we created for their 125th Anniversary behind us and still not paid us, the more hot coals they pile on themselves and their people.

sapientia:
Well, I can not agree less.

xtremecr8 , if there are lapses or shortcomings in your strategy, do yourself a favour and fix it as it seems these guys may not be against you but your approach.

Sometimes, admiting that we are wrong is not weakness but one of the greatest strength.

From what Cvesta pointed out, I advise you go through this thread from page one objectively and see if there are points and advises you might have overlooked which will be beneficial for you.

Don't relent, you will get your payment.

Thank you sir.
We have noted all the contributions and have consistently expressed our gratitude to all those contributions.
We have never pretended that the FBN people who stood against us are minions and those trolls we fished out have given up or out of reach yet so we will be very careful about the "wolves in sheep clothing" amongst the comments. We caught them and knew what we suffered from them before catching them.
On the strategies, sir, there's no mistake when you are beaten and you cry out for help.
FBN is a very big brand and those people who lifted and used that logo behind us knew they will use the clout of FBN to misbehave and get away with it.
That's why we have remained resolute.
There is no single error in demanding for payment for work you have done. There's no error made when you expose evil so others won't make the same mistake and there's no mistake when you remain resolute in the face of an oppressor. Your character is known where you stand in difficult times.
We will remain resolute and will one day be paid for our hardwork.
The longer they hurt us , the more their own punishment will be before God and man because in life it is what you sow you reap.
Someone authorized the use of our Intellectual property behind us for use of First Bank Plc and the bank has a responsibility to expose that person if it doesn't agree with their ethos.
That small brands will be more careful when dealing with FIRST Bank Plc alone is a worthy and noble cause for us and when we get paid, people will learn to stand up and defend their intellectual property rights.
We know it could be tough, that sorrow may come in the night but joy cometh in the morning.
First Bank Plc personnel charged with working with us and under Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney lifted the logo we worked hard to create for the bank to celebrate its 125th Year anniversary without our permission. Instead of apologizing and paying us, they are grandstanding.
Where's that done in the world?
They beat and hurt us and we make mistake crying? No sir.
Nothing worthy in life comes easy sir. We will keep this campaign for as long as they don't pay us and one day, the particular individuals who did the crime against us will have the day to answer for their crime against us.

Cvesta:
You keep jumping the gun rather than answer sane questions you have been asked. This is a public forum and all calibre of people including those with wherewithal to help your cause are likely to see this thread. But your quest for petty name calling and unnecessary appeal to emotion rather than justice won't take you far. Ask yourself since you have been doing this emotional appeal how far it has got you in terms of result.
You may have been bullied by a big bank or just plain naive but calling for justice by whining and wailing like a baby won't get you your desired justice

Hmm.
You beat and hurt us and still don't want us to cry.
Apparently no explanation in words, picture or video will do for you sir. Your contribution easily easily gives you away as those who have no idea the difficulty we are going through sir. And unlike the FBN trolls using different monikers, we have kept our campaign within limits of decency because we are upright, respectful and ethical people. Our ethos are founded on sound principles of respect for people, talents and truth. That's why we have all our identity, contact, face etc out there sir.
It is well. We shall remain resolute because what we are doing is honourable. We are grateful to those who have had our back so far and are asking the likes of Folake Ani-Mumuney the right question.
Those people who lifted and used that logo for FBN plc behind us are still alive. If FBN plc keeps on harbouring them they will bring severe pestilence upon FBN.
We have worked hard to create that logo and deserve to be paid for it.

motivate555:
I want to understand something, I thought there was something called patient confidentiality? or is this because it is a special case?

In Ebola virus case, everyone knew the name of the index case. What's special in having the names when it's not an incurable disease?

Not really funny. A celebrity comedian like him who earned millions from people in peace tinr can do better than ply his trade by making fun of others in difficult time like this. Not funny in my opinion.
He wants to trend with joke at this time. Smh.

glowskillz:
Are we still on this?... Have you met with their so called legal team to hear whatever they had to say?

There is no such thing. They wrote to us to make a request and we have provided them what they requested so it is fair to leave them out especially since they already got what they requested from us. It's Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney that's just referring to it in her email stating she referred the issue there after we discovered the IP theft . To the best of our knowledge that unit has finished with us and we have no business going back to them since we have provided them what they requested.
Even if the FBN trolls keep writing it multiple times, it won't distract us and we will educate people like you on the truth.
The legal unit was not responsible for lifting the logo we designed for their 125th Year Anniversary celebrations behind us. They were not involved in the pricing discussion and they were there when someone inside FBN authorized the use of our Intellectual property behind us and not paying us so we were deliberately left in a limbo. They wrote to us and we have provided what they requested from us and that's been over 3 months now.
We have waited for so long and no one in FIRST Bank is considering our plight. We spent a lot of money, time and hardwork to create that masterpiece, we don't deserve that kind of treatment before getting paid and that's partly why we need other small brands to know.
Those people who stole our Intellectual property for the bank's use are still calling the shots and they don't feel remorseful just a bit because they have been doing it and getting away with it.
We can't continue like this as a people.
Big brands don't kill small brands, they nurture them. That First Bank Plc can take all our hardwork and not pay us for it is going to kill us.

kryptochats:
oga go see the people dem ask you to see first na ! shey dem go kill you ni ? haba! they said come and see legal team you have not gone their to even know why , omo seun go they collect money for advert waiting concern am

I am not sure if you had watched the video before making this comment sir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RKuP3nzXew

That's not the issue and don't mind the trolls quoting Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney's deflecting it to a unit that perhaps has no idea that her unit had lifted our logo without paying us a dime.
It's been several months we provided the legal unit with their request and that was It even as we type here.
Anyone quoting this is more likely their online crew and should go ask them to tell him or her the truth.
The same bank that had ignored us for months swiftly got in touch with Saharareporters within hours of our interview. Why do you think so? They see us as a small fry and small brands they have already ignored.
It is obvious that they have been doing it and getting away with it perhaps until now.
They have no respect for our hardwork and creative talents. That they still protect those people who lifted and used that logo behind us is the height of abuse of our trust. The grandstanding and arrogance is deliberately being used as a tool to further disregard and humiliate us because we are a small brand.
They have been using this logo even at their sponsored events and international ads overseas yet didn't pay us a dime. The legal unit has clearly done its job, our hunch is that they didn't see a reason why we shouldn't get paid or the usual paddy paddy mi has held sway.
Either way, we shouldn't be at the mercy of these FBN officials who have been recieving their own salaries and bonuses since last year yet sat on our payment

This same bank advising small businesses to protect their intellectual property is now the same bank that is protecting their members of staff who authorized and lifted the logo we created and designed for their 125th year Anniversary for First Bank Plc use without our permission.

https://m.guardian.ng/appointments/fbn-tasks-entrepreneurs-on-protection-of-intellectual-property/

Is it not strange that a First bank can speak from both sides of the mouth?
We have been in so much distress by this ill treatment from first bank and we have limited our campaign within limits of decency because we know that there are still men and women of conscience in this land to wade in and help us insist that FBN pays us for our hardwork and punish those staffers who used their privileged position to bring this shame to FIRST Bank.
The FIRST Bank we grew to know was upright and ethical in its conduct, our experience so far is the opposite of the old First Bank we have today.

yusufu16:
Now you are talking.

You didnt tell us this one in the beginning.

So I guess they told you to bring sample while still negotiating price.

Sir, please, in your spare time, watch this our interview by Saharareporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RKuP3nzXew
The same FBN that's grandstanding and had not called us even to apologise to us for the pain caused us and find an amicable way to resolve it now called Saharareporters according to the direct information we got from Saharareporters but when asked if they paid us, the FBN rep said No. When asked why, apparently the person who made the call on behalf of FBN couldn't understand it too and to save face,promised to call Saharareporters back
There's a case of immorality and ethical dishonesty that FBN still hasn't realized that they will pay a huge price for permitting such character flaw.
Whoever or whatever organisation permits such characters is already done for. This campaign may eventually help FBN to understand that it needs serious in-house weeding of dishonest people in its top echelon instead of just the piece meal our campaign had caused them to undertake which looks more like covering of tracks after infringing on our Intellectual property right.

While we are still discussing the price, someone inside FBN, who FBN is still protecting, authorized and lifted the logo for use without our permission.
We found out it was being used just like everyone else seeing it in Nigeria and overseas. Instead of grandstanding, even an apology from FBN when we protested could have calmed us down to resolve it without a fuss because we know to err is human but what we got in return has been threats, online bullying, sarcasm and outright humiliation of us by FBN.
It is that person or groups of people who are powerful inside FBN that brought FBN into this state of disrepute.
It's very shameful to the hardwork and integrity of the founders of the bank.
"Character is doing the right thing when nobody is watching you"

yusufu16:
I am sorry but this OP is unprofessional.

In any contract, the Legal Department will prepare the contract agreement which will be signed by the two parties. How can you be scared of going to the Legal department. Are they going to kill you? Who knows may be they just wanted you to sign the contract agreement in order to receive your payment. You are here seeking for public sympathy and wishing someone will talk to them to pay you.

It obvious you are only after payment and not the due diligence and process of being paid.

Many people here told you to go to the Legal Unit, which you refused to go for flimsy excuses.

Mark my words, you will not be paid. This is not how to run a business.

You will only waste your time, money and energy.

Dear sir, what's unprofessional is stealing people's intellectual property and still grandstanding.
Thank you for trolling us sir. We will be paid and the dishonest person or groups of people who autborized and lifted that logo we designed for FBN's 125th Anniversary celebrations behind us for use without our permission will get punished by God and man.The longer they punish us by denying us payment for our hardwork, the hotter the physical and spiritual coal already on them.We will remain resolute and we assure you that we are the David standing against a bullying Goliath but we shall remain resolute sir.
We worked and we deserve and shall earn our wages.Same for other small brands who have been cheated by big brands.
This is how low we have permitted a few influential but morally indecent people to say our story and allow others see our people through that narrative but we chose to stand up and we will be paid.
That there's no remorse on the part of the people who represents FBN alone in this casecsays a lot about their character. They , and not the bank institution itself, are the people who dragged FBN from that bank we all grew up to admire and respect to become upcoming bank behind the likes of GTBANK and Zenith.
GTBANK didn't owe the people who designed its orange square when it rebranded and same for other banks. There's something these three leading banks are getting right and your arrogance and greed has prevented you from seeing sir; Respect for people and talents.
First Bank is in this unenviable state now because of the flawed character of people like you sir.

Even in this difficult moment of ours, we stand with the rest of our fellow compatriots to say "this tough time too shall pass".
We lend our voice to national campaign to prevent further spread of the disease.
We shall be victorious.

ubiquitousade:
I think you need to get out of the delusion that trolls are after you on this thread... FAR FROM IT.

Of course, Jide Aboderin and one or two people might be affiliated with First Bank (it's obvious when you read their comment - short and derogatory) but those that really engaged with you don't deserved to be called trolls.

It is also becoming evident that you are not sharing the full story of all that transpire in this situation.

Let me assure you that you may not get better responses and advise than those that has been given earlier from the beginning.

It can be demoralizing to have one's idea stolen, and not get paid for it, so I understand you sense of judgement of situation and interpretation of intentions might be skewed, nevertheless, I will suggest you re-read the whole thread (no offense intended)

Clearly, you have avoided providing answers to some questions, but for clarity, I have posted some obvious questions you neglected to answer.

1) How did they get the raw files to the logo in the first place, because they wouldn't have been able to use the logo on so many different scales if all you gave them was the tiny logo on the pad?

2) @ OP the logo on the Sahara video used on the stationary is Gold while the one used by FBN is in colour.
Did you make the adjustments and hand over the creatives/files to them or did FBN replicate it and added the colours using another graphic artist?

Just after Greenarrow01 was exposed he disappeared, suddenly Posaze05 appeared within 2minutes, after being exposed, he disappeared and then ubiquitousade appeared within 2minutes but got him just before he disappeared. Going through the comments of the three monikers, we came to the conclusion that they are all working together and their appearance just after one is exposed and another appears, exposed, disappears before the 3rd one was just a perfect link.
This is how they have been trolling us with different monikers and trying to bully us to give up.
We will remain resolute and keep exposing you all.
We are the victim yet they are still grandstanding after their unethical conduct of using our intellectual property behind us and not paying us.
Wedeserve to get paid for all our hardwork and don t deserve all these humiliating experience.

Posaze5:
All these fake stories just to drive your agenda, both you and the xtreme whatever are in the same camp... this whole thread, there is no proof of creation, how can one. Take a screenshot of a brand's materials and expects everyone to automatically believe they created it
.. if you really have a case, use the right channels

Another FBN online crew Posaze5 appeared.
Posaze5 has only posted 3 messages since being registered on nairaland and all the three were attacks on only news exposing the iniquities of First Bank Plc.

pman06:
The guy just dey make me laugh since. Have little to no clue about business. You offer a service, your rights get infringed on, and you just move on? Without getting paid for your effort?

This type of things happen, but I like the fact that OP is bringing it out.

I hope FBN do the needful and pay up. But let us know whenever you take it to twitter, some of us are ready to retweet until you trend for a day or two.

Thank you for having our back sir. God bless you sir. Please follow us on Twitter @xtremecr8

Greenarrow01:
First of all.. your thread is on the business section, which of course I do frequent.
Secondly,
It's funny how you see everybody who made a contrary opinion on your thread as been a troll
I know you must have gone through my profile and post over and over again, looking for something to associate first bank with me.
I have already unfollowed your thread, long before today
Don't you ever quote me again.

Not everybody sir. Only true trolls especially those speaking from both ends sir. At first, we innocently thought they are passing comments until we found you all out sir.
You are following this thread every time all these days but you still lied that you are not following and had even unfollowed it.We have been seeing you every time but just shook our heads and remembered what Saharareporters journalists told us that big brands do.
You can be in the business section and may not need to open our thread let alone spend so long on the thread.
Like we said. Just be a force for good and tell them that a labourer is worthy of his wages.
We put all our heart in that masterpiece.

Greenarrow01:
I said.. "who ever is sending trolls after you is stupid"
I guess you didn't see that one.. they I also said.. it could be you sending the trolls against yourself.
Also.. I stand by my words that you are stubborn,
And egocentric.
I have never abused anyone on social media before, so I apologize for calling you daft.
I have since unfollowed your thread, you are not paying me or gonna pay me, all what I did was to give you the advice of meeting the legal dept in order to sort this mess out, and my major concern was your brand not even the money. If I have done otherwise.. screenshot and bring it up.
Have a nice day
And I wish you the best

You also accused me of lying, so I guess we are in the same path, you shouldn't have accused me of lying when I didn't .. you couldn't even point out the lies

Hmmm.
Thank you for following this thread daily sir.
We know FBN online crew are on this thread morning, afternoon and night sir.
Whoever of the top management of FBN who authorized the use of our Intellectual property behind us is monitoring this thread too.

Cbliz4real:
@OP FBN is too big not to pay for such a service.

How much are we talking about here?

This is a financial institution of the first order (DSIB) that is afraid of dragging her name in the mud.

FBN paid 1 million naira plus each to over 100 entry level for accommodation allowance. Entry level O...Think about it.

Do you know how much they pay for trainings, Logistics and other non essential stuffs?

How much can your service be worth?

Even if you want to get a cheap money from them, at least, package ur lie well. There are too many loose ends in ur claim. E no dey work like that!

Dear sir, since you know them very well and the fat salaries they pay ,is it not dishonest of a top official of big brand First Bank to authorise the use of our logo when they are yet to pay us?

You obviously don't have any compassion for us.
The person who authorized the use of our Intellectual property for First Bank Plc behind us is obviously among this same people being paid millions but still don't want us paid for our hardwork. Such a fat salary will still never satisfy people who cheat others by stealing from them their intellectual property sir.
The reason FBN went down as the darling bank of us all and sundry is for same reason. FBN of the past was the number one leading bank but Now? Not so because of this inherent character flaw of that character that didn't see qualms in using our logo without paying us a dime.

Hmmm.

Hunry:
what was your service charge & how much did fbn offer you for the logo after your last meeting with them

Honestly, that's not our bone of contention as they already have our invoice and will leave FBN to disclose that. From what a retired top member of their staff said, in their time,even if you charge N5 and FBN pays you N3, they will give you jobs to cover a period their patronage will compensate you for the N2 difference which makes a win win, so the price or affordability is not the issue. It's a character flaw on those charged with the interest of the bank.
The issue is that while we were given the impression that we are still in discussion on the price, someone inside FBN without our permission went behind us to lift the logo and use. They spent a lot of money reproducing the logo on their properties and documents and we were shocked when we stumbled on those items bearing the logo we created for them and yet to be paid for.
Those people who reproduce all these multiple usage of our hardwork and even CNN didn't do it for free so the issue of whether they can afford our services is not the problem.
At some point in time, the logo was all over their headquarters building in Marina and yesterday it was reportedly displayed on CNN yet we have not been paid a dime. That's the character flaw in those people at FBN. They didn't see the ethical dishonesty in stealing our Intellectual property and their obviously poor sense of justice and patriotism by attempting to kill us to grow CNN.
So what struck us is that those people at FBN don't have respect for creative intellectual property. They must have been infringing on people's intellectual property and getting away with it by goading you to take them to court.
We have maintained our stand that we deserve to get paid for that masterpiece we created for them to celebrate their milestone of 125 years in business.

Even the relatives of their dead employees are not spared.
Here is a letter a widow sent to them even after several visits to their office to claim the benefits of her departed husband who passed on well over a decade ago.
An organisation that treats us the way we are treated now and would even treat the relatives of their dead employees is obviously ethically and morally in need of help.
We deserve to be paid for our hardwork of designing their 125th Anniversary logo.

We were told by one of their high ranking retired employee that the problem of FBN is the character of the people FBN has given the task of carrying on with the vision of the founders.
The shares of first bank is the least patronized of the FUGAZ bank and the least in terms of share price.
Once loved and admired FBN of the past will never cheat a small brand like us and may even give us a letter to acknowledge our creative talent deployed in that masterpiece we created for them for their 125th Year anniversary logo.
FBN can't just continue like this. A lot is wrong with a system that doesn't see anything wrong in cheating a small brand like us.
We worked hard to create that logo and it is still a huge shock to us that fbn hasn't and doesn't want to pay us but still kept using the logo.
We deserve to get paid for our hardwork.
We will remain resolute and won't stop our campaign until we get paid.

yusufu16:
This OP thinks FBN is sending trolls to him on this thread.

You think FBN will waste it's energy on less than N1m job?

So your whole business is tied to only FBN, that unless you are paid, you cannot move forward? It's seems you are cash crunch that you are ready to go to any length unless you are paid.

Instead of you to move forward you are hell bound on only one business deal that didn't work out.

Think bawo? We didn't hire GhostPr and co. At some point, 4 of the monikers attacking us were opened on same day and when they ceased, their choice of words still persisted but with different monikers.
They are now using new monikers that were recruited to replace those monikers that suddenly disappeared after exposing them.