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BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 10:05pm On Mar 23, 2020
bcashy:
Idiot like u have more important thing to do than to come here and talk trash? Ewu!
Please calm down sir. We know the anger we all feel and they are doing these things deliberately to goad you into exchange of tirades.
They will reap what they sow sir. Thank you for having our back.
They will work and not be paid and they will remember today some day.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
ubiquitousade:
I think you need to get out of the delusion that trolls are after you on this thread... FAR FROM IT.

Of course, Jide Aboderin and one or two people might be affiliated with First Bank (it's obvious when you read their comment - short and derogatory) but those that really engaged with you don't deserved to be called trolls.

It is also becoming evident that you are not sharing the full story of all that transpire in this situation.

Let me assure you that you may not get better responses and advise than those that has been given earlier from the beginning.

It can be demoralizing to have one's idea stolen, and not get paid for it, so I understand you sense of judgement of situation and interpretation of intentions might be skewed, nevertheless, I will suggest you re-read the whole thread (no offense intended)

Clearly, you have avoided providing answers to some questions, but for clarity, I have posted some obvious questions you neglected to answer.

1) How did they get the raw files to the logo in the first place, because they wouldn't have been able to use the logo on so many different scales if all you gave them was the tiny logo on the pad?

2) @ OP the logo on the Sahara video used on the stationary is Gold while the one used by FBN is in colour.
Did you make the adjustments and hand over the creatives/files to them or did FBN replicate it and added the colours using another graphic artist?
They always make mistake. That's the problem with lying. You will get caught.
That is typical FBN online crew;cunny but still make mistake.They resort to insulting unsavoury words , start with conclusion and end with assumptions that confirm their original intention.
The good thing about truth is that it is narrow and absolute.
Even the person who called Saharareporters on behalf of FBN was asked a simple and direct question of "did you pay xtremecr8 for designing your 125th Year anniversary logo?", he didn't say Yes.
It's a simple campaign: FBN, please pay us for creating your 125th Year Anniversary logo.
Anyone who couldn't understand that a labourer is worthy of his wages is a cheat. FBN officials who are struggling to pay us after our work have a character flaw and it tells you a lot about how FBN, the once leading bank in Nigeria became a shadow of its old self. They will end up like Union bank ,that is being rumoured to be acquired by Zenith ,someday unless these characters change or get replaced.
There's something that we guarantee you, everyone who played a part in hurting our business already know themselves.
We will remain resolute and won't stop our campaign until we get paid. We will go far and long to get justice. We don't struggle with truth because that's the foundation of our personal values.
They still used the same logo they haven't paid for on CNN today. That tells you the character of the people FBN gave their corporate communications and marketing to. They can be killing local businesses in Nigeria but enrich CNN, a foreign company.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 4:21pm On Mar 23, 2020
daddytime:
First Bank just ran an advertorial on CNN @13:28 pm this 23rd Day of March 2020 with your purportedly designed logo.
Please kindly share the picture with us as here sir. There's only one masterpiece we created for them. We gave all our heart and soul to birth that masterpiece.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
einsteine:
I am not a fan of FBN or its top management, largely because of their underperformance occasioned by their insider dealings.

But the OP is obtuse.

You can't bank sympathy.

He has been spending money on Nairaland ads, to what end? Calling all those who try to give him actionable advice trolls.

At the end of the day, how does he expect to get paid by using a smear campaign? So they will say, oh we have had enough, credit his account?? It doesn't work that way.

You either have to sue them or engage with their legal team as they requested.
We didn't call them trolls. They are actually trolls paid to do this kind of job.We discovered their antics just by chance and discovered that they are even professionals.Ghostpr is one of them, Jide Aboderin is another
We had no idea this goes on until now and when we expressed our shock to journalists at Saharareporters, they confirmed to us that big brands in Nigeria do it all the time.
There is nothing obtuse in our demand, those who found it or pretend to find it confusing are only in one group; FBN online crew.Since we exposed them, they have stopped calling us unsavoury words and now their popular catchphrase is now "I don't support FBN or not a fan of FBN......". But we know them when they write because we are farmiliar with what they say. They called Saharareporters and what they said has been said exactly by one of the coded FBN online crew here yet he started with I don't like FBN.
On our campaign, we said it from the word go that we are a small brand but not unreasonable.
We are aware of many other small brands who have been cheated but got bullied and gave up. It is in their honour also we decided to speak up and there are several advice we are getting here that work has commenced on but won't disclose for now.We thank God for all the support we have recieved so far.
We are the victim. You can't beat us and still ask us not to cry. We will remain resolute in our demand that FBN pays us for designing their 125th Year anniversary logo.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
Niseed:
You keep deflecting questions for whatever reasons best known to you.

My conclusion is this, you are clearly on a mission to milk this situation for all you can get which is why the truth is not forthcoming from you.

You and I both know that a one off fee for the design of a logo is in the 1000's or hundreds of thousands and certainly not worth the noise you are making. You are only doing this because its First Bank and not a small company or individual that has come to you for a logo design.

I have worked on different well known brands and projects which included the design of logos that were widely used, what normally happens is the vendor is given the contract to print all the merchandise that will be used for the campaign I.e shirts, mugs, calendars etc

You even said they gave you iPad covers to print. Did you get paid for the iPad covers?

You won't say how much was invoiced and neither will you share correspondence so we know if you are truly being cheated.

We all know times are hard and you must be thinking if you sustain the pressure they will finally bow and settle you.

But don't come here and pretend that 1 logo design has crippled your business.

Let's even assume you invoiced N1m for the logo , is it not better to meet with them and renegotiate so your working relationship can continue with them and N1m is surely not going to make an existing vendor burn bridges with a client.

If you are claiming the money owed to you is over N1m then that means you also have an insider that wants a cut and is the one most likely advising you to go this route.

(These are my assumptions since you have not provided details).
Clearly no amount of decent explanation will do for you FIRST Bank online crew. You started with conclusion but ended with assumptions. That alone says much about what's going on at your end sir.
Now we get your point and now know why you have ignored all our explanations to you and have been coming up with your theories. We appreciate your feedback and know what's going on. We have been told that this trolls attack is what all the big brands do to kill any of their victim but we assure you that this bone they have swallowed is going to stay in their throat for long sir.One more thing again sir, we know what you all are doing and saying and when we read it here, we just shake our heads.
It is how sad we have gotten to in this country.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 10:30am On Mar 23, 2020
Burchester:
Up till now no result ?
First Bank got in touch with Saharareporters.They didn't deny they have not paid us or that we didn't create the logo.
What we still don't understand is why they want to kill us.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
yusufu16:
This OP is not smart at all.

I will tell you, you will not receive kobo from FBN. You will only waste your money and time on this.

You have not heeded to advice of many experts on this thread.

You better move on.
Really? Okay sir. Thank you sir. If you know how deeply entrenched these people are and you see the number of people suffering from this issue of IP theft sir, you will see that the bigger picture is more than just one week campaign. This has been the lot of most small brands.
We believe that everything is working together for our good so we won't grow weary.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 9:20pm On Mar 22, 2020
Nigeria Stock Exchange rules book.
FBN Holdings Plc is a penny stock on the Premiun Board of the NSE. It has recently used our logo we created for them for their 125th Year Anniversary celebrations that they're yet to pay us for in its communication with the NSE as seen on the NSE website.
NSE is ignoring these aspect of its own rules until we draw their attention to it.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 4:11pm On Mar 22, 2020
Niseed:
@ OP the logo on the Sahara video used on the stationary is Gold while the one used by FBN is in colour.

Did you make the adjustments and hand over the creatives/files to them or did FBN replicate it and added the colours using another graphic artist.

Why do you avoid addressing the question whenever you are asked about invoices and cost of the logo?
Hmmm. Are these the 'new' reasons why we were not paid yet they kept on using our creative work?
You have asked this same question repeatedly and it's obvious you didn't pay attention to the response we gave you or just conveniently ignored it sir. Our issue is not about these 'new' reasons you are suggesting, the issue is that they are suggesting that because they asked us to print few iPad covers, it gives them the reason not to pay us for the logo we created and designed for their 125th Year Anniversary celebrations.
They found the logo so irresistible that they requested that we print it on the job for which they paid. Our problem now is that they didn't pay us for the logo even after we invoiced them.
We are in serious difficulty because of the failure of big brand First Bank to pay us and we reject the suggestion that they paid us to print few iPad covers is now payment for our hardwork of creating and designing FBN's 125th Year anniversary logo.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
ubiquitousade:
Wait here. Have you been sharing correspondence with the legal unit prior to the time your are reffered to them by that lady in the mail you shared or after the mail?




So you met with the legal unit?



Begging in itself is humiliating, not to talk of begging for what belongs to you.

I have been following this thread since the early days but only decide to comment now.

You need evidences on a forum like this or any of your channels or anywhere to sway people to act.

We are only here reading your side of the story, we haven't heard that of FBN, which I don't think they will provide.

So it is normal for a rational, unbiased person to ask questions to get further proofs of your allegations.

What are your evidences you may ask?

Information that won't give your trade secret away but will show clearly that you started the logo (with their approval), finished it, delivered it to them and you requested for your payment and they blatantly told you to go to hell.

This is my suggestion xtremecr8, gather your evidences (email correspondence, messages , payment history between your business and FBN, invoices etc) and take it to newspaper houses. And like someone suggested, take it to the Senate.

Decisions in this case are made based on facts and evidences. Men and women of honor you are looking for will only respond when you provide these evidences. If not, this campaign will continue for as long as you don't provide them.

I do hope you get your money and justice.
Thank you for the follow up sir. One thing we decided to do and had consistently followed through is that we have been completely transparent and opened ourselves to public scrutiny.
Unlike the trolls,we have not hidden our identity, face or contact. We are real people with family, flesh and blood. The issues you raised have been sufficiently addressed in our video interview on Saharareporters and we recommend you listen to and watch the video as it appears from your enquiry that you have not watched the video sir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RKuP3nzXew

To the main issue,the questions are:
Are we not supposed to be paid for all our hardwork of designing their 125th Year anniversary logo?
Why would they use our design without our permission behind us?
Why would big brand First Bank want to kill us as a small brand?
Why should we go through this suffering to get paid for designing the logo for big brand First Bank?
We deserve to be paid for our hardwork and we will remain resolute in our demand so we won't die of hunger. We want to get paid for designing the logo of big brand First Bank Plc for its 125th Year anniversary celebrations.
They have been reacting if you read the comments of the trolls on this thread and their ongoing recruitment into the key offices in the unit that we submitted our works to.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 7:42pm On Mar 21, 2020
ubiquitousade:
This is quite apparent if throughout the thread from the beginning.


Am surprised OP has not done this.



I hope OP can listen to you.

As a matter of fact, I expected OP to be updating this thread with other steps he has been taking to get his money. But I also understand he might not want to reveal too much information.



OP should at least answer some questions here.





OP needs to stop this.

I'll advise OP to read this thread from the beginning, check the previous suggestions without crucifying the messenger or labeling them trolls of FBN.

OP, I wish you get justice.
Thank you sir. These trolls were unleashed at the same time and they do the bullying, cursed us, mocked us and write the same thing. We have an idea of the discussion going on from FBN end and these particular monikers are saying it exactly the way FBN top management who spearheaded the use of our logo behind us are saying it when queried about their unjust actions.That's what some people here don't know and what struck us about these faceless monikers. We had to completely read their comments again. Please go through the thread to confirm. They all came in this thread at the same time and those two remaining are those left among most of the trolls and their now trying to sound diplomatic now changed their style after we exposed them and we will do our best to get the identity of these remaining troll of jamesid and the other one. They are all trolls working together. We were not told before they lifted our logo , used it and still didn't pay us. We wrote to them and their legal unit requested for the sample and that was it for months now.
They were goading us to go to court so we can drag case together for years and we said No.
We worked hard to create that logo and begging for our money to survive is really humiliating but sending trolls like these different monikers is the lowest by FBN in our estimatimation.
These characters have the ears of those same people who held on to our money and wants to kill our brand.
We deserve to be paid for our hardwork designing their 125th Year anniversary logo and we will remain resolute.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
They're sharing gifts with the logo we designed for their 125th Anniversary logo yet we that designed the logo of big brand First Bank is yet to be paid.

First is the picture of the MD of First Bank Plc ,Mr Adeduntan,presenting a gift to Senator Alasoadura with our logo that is yet to be paid for displayed on the gift pack
https://m.facebook.com/firstbankofnigeria/photos/a.235218466508282/3261555243874574/?type=3

Second picture shows the winners of a competition sponsored by First Bank Plc and our created logo for their 125th Anniversary displayed conspicuously on the stage. https://marketingworldmag.net/winners-2019-firstbank-sponsored-national-company-year-competition-contest-africa-company-year-competition/

Third picture , Head, Marketing and Corporate Communications,Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney right in the centre flanked by top blogger Linda Ikeji and other celebrities at event sponsored by First Bank Plc and the logo of big brand First Bank we designed displayed as background on their red carpet smiling.
Yet we have not been paid a dime. https://www.dliri.com/curator/publisher/87/genevieve-magazine

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 12:17am On Mar 21, 2020
Hotfreez:
And what is wrong with you too? If what First bank did to the OP is okay, why are you whining about doing same to his kids? Is the OP not someone's child? Was he downloaded?

When some of you guys see the possibility of First bank doing the same thing to your loved ones, maybe you'll start having sense.
Thank you sir. They love their own children it is another person's child that they want to see suffer. Very inconsiderate of them to deny us and our own children food and go berserk when reminded that they have children too o.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 12:14am On Mar 21, 2020
bcashy:
With this alone, i will make sure i close down my first bank account immediately, persuade my family and friends to do same!

Bro, push on, this can happen to anybody!

My uncle , a small brand like yours too uses first bank to pay his employees, i will show him this and persuade him to move to any other bank immediately!
Thank you for having our back sir.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 12:12am On Mar 21, 2020
lastempero:
I understand the main target now is to get your money but seriously this method you are using might not get the desired result. You have to involve one of this big human right lawyers even if it means striking a deal with them and meet the legal arm of the bank and discuss the issue with them, you can take it up from there depending on the outcome and instead of nairaland, go for this nationwide read newspapers and do the necessary. Nairaland will not give you the desired coverage and result u want.
Notes sir. Thank you sir.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
jamesid29:
Why would you bring someone's children into this, just why.... why would it even occur to you, sir what is wrong with you.
Even Jide Aboderin, the proud silverspoon grandson of the late Chief Aboderin,founder of the Punch newspaper,who had been trolling and bullying us online using same derogatory and condescending words on us like you, went berserk when her daughter's name was mentioned in this link
https://www.nairaland.com/750392/r-b-singer-mo-cheddah

They guide and protect their own children but inflict pain and pack hot coal on other people's children. How do you think that someday your own children will not be doomed too? In life, you reap what you sow so sow good seeds today for yourself and those children you guide jealously at the expense of the joy of another person's child.
All your children will reap what you are doing today sir.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 11:59pm On Mar 20, 2020
Hotfreez:
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May your children work for people and those they work for treat them the way First bank treated this man.
It's not a curse sir. Even God said  "I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations. All those mocking us in this our moment of difficulty will reap what they sow.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 11:56pm On Mar 20, 2020
Hotfreez:
That is because their customers are telling them to their faces that they are thieves and First bank lacks integrity. If the staff try to argue and defend First bank, they refer them to this thread. See the post someone posted earlier, First bank has fired the top creative guys in the Bank and want to recruit new ones. They are panicking.

The day we would list all the robberies in First Bank is still coming. The last one in Abuja had staff involvement with a staff arrested. The week before that, they arrested some in Ibadan who said the Manager of the branch somewhere in Ekiti was their informant. A few weeks ago, they arrested another set of robbers who also pointed out their informant as a First bank staff. There is currently a crisis of integrity at First Bank from their MD who used the stolen logo to write as well as the lowest staff. Customers are becoming afraid.

The day this OP petitions the National Assembly and they invite the top guys at First bank to come explain this issue of dishonesty, with live coverage by AIT, Channels and TVC, that's when they would understand what hit them.

As for me, I've been referring people to this thread. Only a fool would read this thread and keep money in First bank. They definitely do not have integrity in that den of thieves
Your valuable guidance is well noted sir. Thank you sir.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 11:54pm On Mar 20, 2020
Goodgod213:
At first bank Ojodu do you know the staff were talking about your thread. Like seriously people are already knowing about this oo. Better take this a step up o
We will do our best as we are believing God to bring more helpers our way.
Thank you for getting our back sir.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 11:51pm On Mar 20, 2020
Unclesamo:
.
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Most of The Trolls here were sent by First Bank..... Don't Relent
That completely got us shocked. Imagine the kind of service one of the persons (GhostPr) they sent after us provides shocked
We can never afford his service

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 12:38pm On Mar 20, 2020
Greenarrow01:
.
It's obvious,
You have a problem.

I didn't offer to help you do anything.. and I didn't even say anything in that direction, all I did was give you advice, of meeting the FBN legal team
When everyone kept asking you to meet the legal team and you kept mute, I clearly stated that you are afraid of meeting them.
My initial assumption was that they didn't ask you to do logo for them, you did the hard cover and they saw the logo and lifted it, someone else also made that assumption, and this was way before the Sahara reporters video.

Also.. I apologize for calling you daft, but my personal opinion about you been stubborn and egocentric still remains the same.

And no where did I support Mr whatever.. I will try not to reply you again. I don't know you.. you are nothing to me, I only goofed by offering my opinion.
But shalom.. have a nice day
I wish you the best
The screenshot you posted didn't say anything..I didn't deny any of those.
We wish you Godspeed. When you are favoured, even your enemies will bless you and be at peace with you. We accept your apology for all the insults and dispataging remarks.
We are a small brand but not unreasonable.
We will remain resolute and keep our campaign within limits of decency despite all the attacks and arrows. We are a very decent organisation and just unfortunate to have fallen victim of a big brand like FBN that doesn't want to pay us for designing their 125th Year anniversary logo.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 11:48am On Mar 20, 2020
Greenarrow01:
I said.. "who ever is sending trolls after you is stupid"
I guess you didn't see that one.. they I also said.. it could be you sending the trolls against yourself.
Also.. I stand by my words that you are stubborn,
And egocentric.
I have never abused anyone on social media before, so I apologize for calling you daft.
I have since unfollowed your thread, you are not paying me or gonna pay me, all what I did was to give you the advice of meeting the legal dept in order to sort this mess out, and my major concern was your brand not even the money. If I have done otherwise.. screenshot and bring it up.
Have a nice day
And I wish you the best

You also accused me of lying, so I guess we are in the same path, you shouldn't have accused me of lying when I didn't .. you couldn't even point out the lies
Dear sir. You are lying by saying you offered us help. All you have done is bully us online and write in defence of First Bank,Jide Aboderin and top management of FBN. You are an interested party that is profiting or stands to profit from how badly we have been treated by big brand First Bank. There are so much invectives you have poured on us that we shudder at quoting those unsavoury words you used on us and your audacity to boldly lie that you want to help us. You are obviously part of them. You all write the same way.
Words like Daft, insane, stubborn, blackmailer etc you used at us are not words thrown around by decent people especially when they take advantage of the annonymity this platform provides.We assure you for certain,you will reap what you sow in life sir. Like egbon Leye4u said, Osa bi o le Gbemi....

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 10:54am On Mar 20, 2020
leye4u:
Ewo ni gba romi di eleru
Osa bo le gbe mi,

If you cant help these people then leave them alone,wetin be your own ,
They want to be paid for a job they did and they have a right to be paid . SHIKENA

If you are part of their adversaries let them know,the more the merrier.
O si fimile bi o se bami. God bless you sir.
This is the pattern since we started this campaign to call on men and women of conscience in this land to wade in and help us beg First Bank Plc to pay us for designing their 125th Year anniversary logo, these monikers have been insulting us, cursing and even outrightly defending Mr Jide Aboderin and Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney.
We don't know what is so difficult in knowing that when people work hard for you, they deserve to get paid not attacking them for making a legitimate demand to get paid. We have waited for months and as we type here still haven't been contacted but kept on using that same logo and then unleash these annonymous trolls on us instead of paying us.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 10:45am On Mar 20, 2020
Greenarrow01:
Egbon, I don't have problem with them, I want to see them get paid, I only offered advice.. nothing more.. I have since unfollowed the thread.. I am only replying to mentions nothing more.. I wish them well and I hope they get paid for the job they did.
I only offered advice. Nothing more
So Iwo na... Lo kalm down.. sho gbo
You should please remember how you moved from accussing us to cursing us to now calling us very derogatory words we shudder at and finally wishing us well.
You are not helping us in one bit and actually have sustained attacks on us.
We have been victimized to the point that we almost called it quit but when we see the encouragement and the support we have been offered so far and the prospect that others going through same punishment by big brands draw inspiration from us.
We will get paid and it will be victory to truth and Justice. We have not done anything to deserve all these bullying and victimisation . We worked out our heart and soul to create that logo , during the period, they keep sending us back and forth several times,one meeting and another, requests to us to position it like this for them to see, tweak that for them so they can compare again to make a better choice and all the usual demands until we delivered that our original logo masterpiece to them. Lo and behold, all that hardwork and not even a dime yet they went behind us to lift it and use on all their documents, buildings, gifts,tellers etc yet still didn't pay us.
Where is that done anywhere in the world?
We have been suffering all the while and Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney and other top management members of big brand First Bank carry on with no conscience that we deserve our pay for all the hardwork and you kept on using unsavory derrogatory words on us and claimed to help us.
We will remain resolute. We deserve to be paid for designing the 125th year anniversary logo of big brand First Bank.
Big brands don't kill small brands.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 8:35am On Mar 20, 2020
Greenarrow01:
Lol
Mr
I don't work for first bank, I am not a social media influencer or anything close to that
I don't operate any social media account, apart from nairaland and say WhatsApp. Thou my start up has social media page, Instagram only.

Secondly, I didn't change my view or anything close to that. I have always insisted you visit FBN.
And I still maintain that stance.
Also if I have changed my view, you can go through my post on here and highlight them

Also
Pls do point out where I lied in any of my post
Or where I use one lie to cover another lie,
You can't get public sympathy this way.
Mention any lie from any of my post on here
In all my posts, I didn't mention you not working for first bank, or first bank not owing you money, I kept saying you should take a step back and see their legal dept.

..but it seems you need serious schooling.


the job of the legal dept, of any org. Or company doesn't just stop at handling court cases, just incase you don't know.. they draft contracts, they handle negotiations, ensure the brand does its require obligation, assist in vendor management they handle complaints, and a whole lots of contract litigation issues. So if there is any department you need to meet right now in FBN.. then it's their law dept.

No one has condemned me apart from the deranged fellow up there who is happy about victims of an explosion.
Neither have I mocked you, instead I have offered you advice. Just so you know, I don't know anyone in FBN, my ,NGO only has account with them, and this is in far north, Kaduna state.
But I have come to a simple conclusion.

you are stubborn, egocentric and lastly daft,

Anybody who says a contrary opinion to yours is against you...that is the number one sign of stupidity
Go back to the drawing board, hear out your staff, talk to more people hear them out, people in real life, not people who depend on you. They will tell you to go to the legal dept and hear them out. You re even funny, do you expect the legal dept to be a court, and be upright, nooo they are employed by FBN so they have to do FBNs bidding, they are lawyers l, not judges.. you only have to negotiate with them, and they inturn advice FBN on what to do...
Thank you for trolling us sir. We don't see any humour in being denied of justice and being bullied but will remain resolute. You are an interested party and that's why day and night you are trolling us and insulting us sir.. Like someone advised us on this thread,we will ignore the trolls and learn from the experience of Mr Strive Masiyawa when he was denied too. One more thing sir, we will refrain from using unsavoury words. We are small brand but not unreasonable sir.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 8:14am On Mar 20, 2020
olalekan9320:
This is one of the reasons why we will never get it right in this country. After job done, does one still have to lobby before being paid?
Please help us ask them o sir.
They beat us, they still don't want us to cry for help. It's been many months now we have not been paid a dime for designing the logo of big brand First Bank but they kept on using our logo even still as recent as last week Thursday.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
Please compare these your two remarks below and that of Mr Jide Aboderin , annonymous social justice(even called us crazy for demanding payment for our hardwork shocked)and their other anonymous social media influencers, PR attackers etc they sent after us to insult, bully and mock us online like this one before your remarks.

SocialJustice:
I would have collected my money a long time ago by meeting the bank's legal department and following up from there.
Greenarrow01:
Most Nigerians have wicked heart.
And you are just displaying that.
Firstly
Most of those people who died in the Lagos explosion are not rich folks, they are just struggling people trying to make ends meet, you can see from the video of the explosion how the the environment looks like

Secondly, nobody, no matter how rich or how poor deserves that. Well people like you are too wicked to see that.

With regards to if I am making sense or not, from your little write-up I don't expect you to understand.
I clearly stated earlier, that I had gone through similar phase with Nescafé. A bigger brand than First bank
A way more bigger brand than first bank
, I was supposed to collect a small amount of 1 million, it took me 6months to do that. This was in 2018.
I don't work for any of those big brands, and I have nobody who does so.
But in our clime, and because OPs money is hooked there, you have to do as they say. Just for him to get his money out.
I understand that is wrong, but you have to look at the fact that the money will do something to OPs business.. it will give it a lift no matter how small.
This issue is what needs to be resolved without much fight.
That's what I have been ringing in ops hears.
They did wrong, yes, we know that.
But instead of this, you can clearly take another approach get your money and still safe yourself all this unnecessary stress and trauma.
I can't imagine what the op is going through because of this, not just him, his staffs too will be feeling horrible.
You just have to save yourself all this.
Not just that, your brand is going to get affected too, cos this is clearly a negative pr.
Pls note
NSE can't compel FBN to pay him, they can only advice, if you think they can do so, pls give me an example of a previous scenerio.
Only CBN, court and the combine voice of thousands of Nigerians, can make them pay him.
Nigerians are not United to speak up
Court is a long and time wasting process
There is no assurance with CBN cos first bank will reply them with a long letter of defence.

Diplomacy is the best bet, meet the legal dept, take lawyers along hear them out. This will let you know if they wanna pay you or not. Cos for now you don't even know, they only stalled on payment. Meeting the legal dept with recording devices, this will even enable the op to get more support from Nigerians, have a solid case in court when he presents evidence of bullying in that meeting

What is happening to OP is happening on a daily basis, with thousands of other contractors, not just in Nigeria, all over the world.
But still, people get paid.



As for you .. you are not worth it.. it's very very clear
Greenarrow01:
Sir you are hundred percent correct.
I dont know the stupid person sending trolls against the man.
Also.. It can be that the man created those trolls account himself cos heaven knows that I doubt if firstbank will go this cheap way of sensing trolls against this kinda tiny business in relation to their mega empire.
Whatever this man is owing them is def. No more than 10m, first bank can easily pay this money without blinking
.also let's not forget that the people this man is calling are at the top top top tier of FBN.
I know how much a bank manager takes home yearly, how busy they are and I doubt if they will send trolls against this man,
They will rather send twitter influencers.
Also
I have noticed something with big brands, they dont always go the public way, I mean they dont bring their stuffs to twitter to sway public opinion, example is case of gtbank vs innoson
Amcon issues with banks,,, glo vs Mtn debt
These are monies running into billions and yet they are not looking for public sympathy

Why then will first bank send cheap nairaland accounts after this man because of less than 10million.
Its very very likely that the woman he is accusing takes home close to 20m yearly. Haba bro, levels dey na


The question this man shoukd answer is that.

why hasn't he gone to their legal dept after their invitations

I dont work for first bank
I am only concern cos there was a time I had issue similar to this.
I had to wait for 6 months to get my money.
That's the problem with lying. You will need other lies to cover other lies. Your change of tone is not sincere and it's understandable after you have been exposed and condemned on your previous actions of mocking us, trolling us and defending FIRST Bank has failed and fallen flat.
Sir, you're one of them. Our issue is not about legal, please tell them again.
Our issue is that the same legal didn't see anything wrong with their bank using the logo without paying us, didn't see anything wrong with them not paying us and now brought in, recieved our correspondence after Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney claimed to have referred it there and went silent for months even till now is part of the system that cheated and still cheating us. Is it because of legal they're doing the recruitment too? Is it because of legal that the social media influencers unleashed on us are saying same thing you,Jide Aboderin,Social Justice,Jamesid, GhostPr etc are saying and same way? You are using different monikers.

Every attempt to sustain the script will not work. We are the victim. Tell them to pay us for designing your 125th Year anniversary sir.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 11:14pm On Mar 19, 2020
sapientia:
OP, do not mind the trolls.

Stop quoting them at all.

This will not kill your brands.

Only those who do not want to pay for services will run away from you which is a miracle.

A workman deserve his wages.

Its Work-chop.

You have worked.

You must Chop.

Do not be discouraged.

Contract signed or not, No Judge will support not paying for a service because there was no contract papers, not in this your case.

If you can prove the logo is yours, stop asking for just the money they owe you, increase it a lot more.

Don't miss this opportunity to deal with thieves and earn a great token.

If possible, change the case to intellectual theft.

You are taking it easy and that's why they have time to send you trolls.
Hmmm. This your guidance is very brilliant and we'll noted sir. Thank you for having our back sir. We are just being considerate of those innocent few who are fighting within that institution to stop all these nonsense and we really hope First Bank will pay us for designing their 125th Year anniversary so we are not constrained to go beyond this appeal stage for reason to prevail. We are not really out for trouble or smear campaign but for them to pay us for our hardwork.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 11:09pm On Mar 19, 2020
DabFrankNG:
A protest will not work.
Go to human right law firms like Falana & Falana.


They will pay you, with damages.

That is the ONLY way to go.
Thank you for your wise counsel. It's well noted sir.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
The logo they didn't pay us for is what they used to announce to the public with fanfare their 125th Year anniversary as seen on the background in this picture below obtained from proshareng website

https://www.proshareng.com/news/Products%20&%20Services/First-Bank%E2%80%99s-Kicks-Off-125th-Anniversary-Celebration-With-Hoisting-of-Official-Flag/44220

In the picture, from left to right, Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney(Head, Marketing and Corporate Communications)Mr U.K Eke(Chairman of FBN Holdings),Chief Oba Otudeko ( the Chairman of FBN Holdings), Mrs Ibukun Awosika(Chairman of First Bank of Nigeria),Adesola Adeduntan the MD/CEO of First Bank Nigeria Plc

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 7:21am On Mar 19, 2020
ednut1:
Saw this on nairaland fp advert. You are spending too much on this and doing your brand more harm.
So far, it's actually First Bank Plc that's harming us by denying us payment for the service we rendered for them sir. We have recieved Grace and favour so far , some we didn't even pay a dime for.

That's perhaps why they unleashed PR agents, top bloggers, social media influencers and what have you on us like GhostPr, Jide Aboderin and countless others.They want to harm us, our brand and still used trolls to put us on a mental siege just for demanding payment for our hardwork of designing their 125th Year anniversary logo

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 7:16am On Mar 19, 2020
CyberEBOLA:
Still replying even at midnight? Seems Firstbank basically took your logo, and paid you with a troubled mind.
It is well
Hmmm. They actually want to kill us. The worst part we didn't expect was the unleashing of trolls online on us to bully us online. We hope others will learn from our experience before dealing with them as a small brand.

Sincerely, it's truly our worst experience working for any brand. So far, it's been a very very terrible experience and now suddenly "they are hiring" people with job descriptions that match some of the exact service we provided them. What happened to those on those seats before?

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