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BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
Ghostpr:
You keep trying to appeal to public sympathy by cooking up lies that’s wrong, how do you make a claim without no proof ?? Are we all that ignorant to believe you ?? must you lie against a big brand to attract attention to yours??, First bank should sue you guys already.
You are the individual behind the multiple monikers sir.
You all write alike including Posaze5 and obviously doing same thing advertised and published on your website; "target those who influence your customers,connect with major social media influencers, build relationships with top bloggers etc ".Hmmm,they don't want to pay us for our legitimate hardwork but people like you enjoy cosy relationship with them and get paid to stand truth on its head.
Since you all got registered on nairaland, this thread is the only one you all have ever posted on.
We will not engage in indecency because we are not on a smear campaign against First Bank.
Use your good office and PR connection with the top management to tell them to pay us instead of this online bullying. This online bullying won't work sir.
Everyone of you doing this dirty job are putting your future in jeopardy because if you sow injustice or support injustice, you will reap injustice in your life. The devil will make sure you use the money they paid you to treat one setback like sickness or the other. So don't allow them destroy your life.
Use your PR connection as a force for good.
Here's your profile and the job you do for organization.
Sending trolls after us won't work sir.We have been severally told to hire spinners like you but we insisted against that route because we don't lie, cheat or spin the truth like you and your clients do. Sadly,your job description is immoral , you get paid to lie and fight the truth and call it PR Job. You are sowing in the wind and will reap disaster up on disaster in your life if you don't stop this kind of job.
Tell them to pay us for our hardwork.We don't deserve to be killed by big brand First Bank because we did a job for them. They should please pay us for designing their 125th Year anniversary logo and stop wasting resources on trolls bullying us online.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 5:38pm On Mar 13, 2020
They want to kill us because we are a small brand.
Please we need all your help and support as men and women of conscience in this land to wade in.
We gave our best to that design and big brand First Bank has not paid us a dime.
Our business has been severely affected negatively because we have not been paid a dime for designing the logo of big brand First Bank for its 125th Year anniversary logo. All effort to make them pay us has been met with one delay tactics or the other before we cried out now.
Their next game is to send trolls after us to bully us online. We just want to be paid for our hardwork so we won't close job and be able to pay our employees whose families are suffering.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
We do not deserve to be treated this way after all the Labour and resources we put in.
They have time and resources to influence trolls to come after us and cyber-bully us but can't even edit their information on the internet that states that they are founded in 1979.We hope they will rectify this.
We are not your enemy First Bank so we don't deserve this kind of ill treatment.We are small but not unreasonable.
We just want to get paid for our legitimate hardwork of designing the logo of your 125th Year anniversary.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
They're sending trolls after us to change the narrative from a simple question of
Did you pay xtremecr8 for designing the logo of your 125th Year anniversary logo?
Big brands don't kill small brands.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
Like we have repeatedly maintained, we will keep our campaign within decency and will not sponsor trolls or pay influencers have adviced. We are Christians in business and believe we have a God of justice on our side.
We gave our best to First Bank to create that logo and deserve to be paid. Paying trolls to bully us online or distract us will not deter us.
The trolls are from the same people and if by their profile, if they are not promoting sales of large social media accounts on Instagram and So, they strangely almost all opened their account on nairaland on same day of 06 February 2020 just about same time we started our campaign begging men and women of conscience in this land to wade in and help us beg the powers that be like Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney at Firstbank to pay us.
We have the evidence that those trolling and attacking us has a relationship and some actually work at First Bank like Jide Aboderin.
They are bullying us even after denying us of our legitimate pay after designing their 125th Year anniversary logo.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 3:58pm On Mar 13, 2020
SalamRushdie:
So this woman called Ani Mumuney hasnt stopped all this hanky panky behaviour , that's how she mad us waste resources in developing a third party business model for her department and after draining us intellectually and financially she took the finished model and handed it over to another firm and even gave the 500 thousand US dollars to implement the idea whereas my firm would have don the implementation for absolutely free whilst recovering our investments from sale of the solution to third parties but this woman and her cartel backstabbed us and handed my 100% original creation to another company where she obviously had interest ..But God being on my side they company failed to deliver and the project now moribound while I have made a ton of money deploying the solution with 3 other Banks who supported us and didn't back stab us ..
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 3:54pm On Mar 13, 2020
OWOJELA:
Exactly, if they have a good evidence to argue with, they should the normal legal system which is the professional and appropriate way to handle this.
Dear Mr OWOJELA, thank you for trolling us sir. They can't pay us but can send trolls after us.
There is no peace to the unjust.
Folake Ani-Mumuney and FBN didn't say anything about evidence, what they thought will work was that they had given us job to print IPad covers and so we should not be paid for our hardwork designing their 125th Year anniversary logo. You will reap what you sow in life sir.

We are not the bully,we are the victim,so please tell your sponsors to provide proof that they paid us and why we should not be paid for our hardwork.

Big brands don't kill small brands.
Our claim has a face,name,contact,hard-core proofs to our campaign and our plea to well meaning Nigerians to prevail on FBN to pay us is legitimate.
We don't want to proof anything, all we want to do is get paid for our hardwork.
Until the big masquerade FBN and Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney remove the masks, we will not bother to go into the technicality on the social media.
We are not on a smear campaign but an appeal to people with conscience in this land to wade in.
No amount of trolls will stop us. We will keep our campaign within decency and not send trolls or influencers after Firstbank even though we have been advised to do so.
We believe that those founders of FBN didn't build the brand by cheating and killing small brands. It is out of respect for that that we will keep our campaign to respect their legacy. The current managemant at firstbank is behind this attempt to muscle us out and kills us as small brand by not paying us for designing their 125th Year anniversary logo

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
First Bank is still using the logo we created for them for their 125th Anniversary and yet to pay us.
Below is a press release on their letter head just released this afternoon.
This is exactly what we have been pleading about. Things can't continue like this in this land.
We worked hard to create that logo and have not been paid a dime.
Big brand,first bank wants to kill a small brand like us by using our intellectual property and not paying us a dime.
We call on men and women of conscience in this land to wade in and tell big brand First Bank to pay us. EFCC should please come to our aid. A labourer is worthy of his wages so says the Holy Book.
They are cheating us and want to get away with it

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
Tbillz:
highly unprofessional set of firm. Seeing this here again makes me believe this company is very desperate. Something is unique in all the platforms I saw it on, anyone asks for proof, he keeps quiet, no one with a clear mind and insight will support this blindly besides there are other ways to handle this, but why Social media? Pathetic
Dear Mr Tbillz, thank you for trolling us sir just like Mr Jide Aboderin and countless other trolls bullying us online for demanding payment for our hardwork. For the sake of many small brands out there and justice to small brands like us, we will continue on our campaign to get paid for creating the FBN125th Anniversary logo.
We won't be distracted. Please tell them and ask them a very simple moral and ethical question:

Did First Bank pay xtremecr8 for designing the logo before going ahead to use it and still using it?

Is it right not to pay us and still send trolls after us online?
What have we done to First Bank and Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney to deserve this kind of ill treatment from them?
Is this done anywhere in the world?
Big brands don't kill small brands, they nurture them sir.
Be careful when you support this kind of injustice FIRST Bank has done to us because they pay your billz so you won't reap the kind of injustice done to us by first bank.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 11:17am On Mar 13, 2020
No amount of trolls including Jide Aboderin who work with Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney,sent after us will kill the truth.We will remain resolute until we get justice.
Like Uthman Dan Fodio said "conscience is an open wound, only truth can heal it"

If First Bank is owing you salaries for this long we are owed for creating their 125th Anniversary logo, you won't serve as trolls for First Bank. Certainly, you will be served the same tea in life the bitter tea we got served by Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney and First Bank.

We laboured very hard to create that logo and have not been paid. The attempt to decieve themselves that printing few iPad covers our bill for creating their 125th Anniversary logo is ungodly and pure treachery.
We deserve to get paid for designing the logo and we call on people with good conscience in this land wade in and beg FIRST bank to pay us for designing their 125th Year anniversary logo.
We won't stop demanding for our payment even if millions of trolls are paid and sent after us to bully us online.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 7:29pm On Mar 12, 2020
damola1:
What most people don’t realize is that. A bank like first bank runs a fraudulent system that makes money from dead people money.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 3:14am On Mar 12, 2020
AbiBuruji722:
Dear Extreme creation, sorry for this occurrence. Be reminded that, all of them even d GMD might be aware of this. The only person you can trust in FBN is Mrs Awosika, I might be wrong, have you noticed that you won't see the photograph of the MD in any banking hall. That is a signal.
God will fight for you

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 1:43pm On Mar 11, 2020
VolvoS60:
I will be watching this thread and other media very keenly to see how this matter plays out.

I don't have enough information about this dispute and so I can't comment for now. What I can comment on however, is my experience with this same bank on a customer's (whom I was representing) bank deposits.

The bank was determined to unlawfully hold on to the customer's bank balances at all costs. I do not make this statement lightly. Before my experience I would not have believed the lengths First Bank would go to in order to cheat an ordinary depositor - a septuagenarian pensioner. undecided Their legal department did their best to frustrate us into making a false move that would have cost us dearly. The plan was to goad us into pursuing full fledged litigation - their calculation was that the matter would be tied up in court for years and the customer's money would remain in their vaults. The system is rigged in their favour that way.

The matter was eventually resolved and First Bank paid up - without us having to go to court. If we had gone to court, we would (note that I have not used any qualifiers like 'probably' here) still be there today, with no hope of a resolution - several years later.

To me at least, First Bank's management has no people of integrity. Zero. None.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
Niseed:
Op has first bank told you to see them in court? Did you hand them all the creative's? You must have for them to use on all their platforms and materials.

Again I ask, why have you not spoken to the legal team or anyone from the bank in regards to your pay? Letters/ mail trail and invoices will go a long way here.

Since this is Nigeria and not overseas where logo designs can run into thousands or millions of dollars or pounds, I'm guessing your money should be no more than N1-2m.

Unless you billed them as per foreign standards like Saatchi & Saatchi.

How much are they owing you for this logo?
Sir, even if it's N100 that we demanded,(in reality, we incurred more tha 6-digit cost in naira to eventually meet the very high standard demanded by big brand FBN) is that a sufficient reason not to pay us? Is it that first bank doesn't have money to pay for such an important milestone as 125 year anniversary logo? Is this how,as a nation, we want to develop,grow and support the creative industry? We created the logo,they found it irresistible,accepted it,used and still using it but they should not pay us?
The simple question remains: Did first bank pay us for designing their 125th Year anniversary logo? NO!Not even a dime. And we should keep quiet and die in silence or play along with her tactics?
Is it about the money? Yes, because we really worked hard to create that logo and we deserve to get paid for it.
First Bank beat us as a small brand and now still asking us not to cry by sending trolls after us to bully us online.
Why is it so difficult to ask first bank if it had paid us or is it that we should not be paid for our hardwork creating that logo?
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
Scout60:
I will not say anything till first bank legal team sues you to court.
Do you know that intellectual theft is a heinous crime? Before such are being paid for, you must always sign because of future wahala. Go to the legal team and hear them out. Don't be stubborn
Darkness can only triump over light only in the interim. The light of truth will triump eventually.
Please tell your favoured FBN management to pay us for designing the bank's 125th Anniversary logo sir.It is the right thing to do. Even the Christian Holy book, The Holy Bible, says "a labourer is worthy of his wage".
Thank God that there are still men and women of good conscience in this land. We are grateful to them all for their support and prayers.
We will not go to court,at least for now, for the reasons we have already explained sir. Luckily, no crime is statute barred but we will toe the path of decency and transparency until reason prevails.
No where in the world will this happen and this is completely unacceptable. They took our work and didn't pay us.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 1:30pm On Mar 10, 2020
billante:
Why you have refused to go and meet the legal department and even hear what they have to say is what baffles me....

Is there something illegal you did that you don't want to be thrown up if you go and see the legal department...lots of questions begging for answers.

There is something just not right about this matter from your end!
We are not faceless people. We are upright and God fearing people and organization. We want to get paid for our sweat and labour without incurring extra pain and cost to plead with people to help us beg FBN to pay us for designing their 125th Year anniversary logo . If that's what is wrong, then we are right sir.We are small brand but not unreasonable. We know FBN has enough resources to keep trolls after us.We are the victim and doesn't deserve to be treated like this by big brand First Bank.
We would have met with any unit or anybody if our logo had not being used and being used. They brought in that angle when we demanded for our pay, Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney had given us sufficient reason to doubt their sincerity by telling their management that they had given us jobs to do. What job? Print few copies of iPad covers!
Going to legal is out of it if you see her response and it really matches our suspicion that they are playing games.
They obviously want to goad us into litigation and through protracted court case.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLPpfv4FUMU
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 12:00pm On Mar 10, 2020
We gave all our best to deliver that logo, they didn't pay us a dime and wants to get away with it because we're a small brand.
Since this campaign started, we have exchanged notes with other small brands and it's like it is like an industry practice here in Nigeria where big brand take your IP and tell you to go to court.
It is a serious organization moral deficit in First Bank if the top decision makers have seen nothing wrong in not paying us a dime for all our hardwork yet continued using our logo we created for them and using trolls like Mr Aboderin to bully us online.
We gave our all but didn't see this coming and we sincerely feel let down.
We don't deserve this kind of ill treatment from FBN.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
For the impartial and less discerning, before you take the advice 'go see legal',' apologise so you can get paid' remarks serious, be aware that these people writing it here are mostly people working for FBN and instead of paying us they are trolling us.They are not sincere and sadly,xtremecr8 is their victim.We have been begging them to pay us but they are bent on robbing us of what's due for us.
In their unjust mind,their excuse for FBN for using our design for their 125th Anniversary logo and not paying us is because we didn't see legal or purportedly we have no contract. Is that reason why they took all our hardwork and didn't pay us a dime? All that hardwork? FBN believe we deserve no pay and we should be tossed around? Where else is that done in the world?For budding entrepreneurs out there, watch out for people like them and FBN and deal cautiously with them. Their stock in trade is to take away from you and kill your brand.Run!!!
They have conveniently ignored truth and justice because of their affiliation with first bank and particularly Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney.They will reap the evil deeds they are sowing.
For real entrepreneurs who see their pains and struggle in our present predicament caused by a big brand, First Bank, we thank you for standing with us.
There will be no peace for the wicked and unjust.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
Despite our sincerity and commitment to limit our campaign within the boundaries of decency for reason to prevail , it is so sad to know that people who work for First Bank and under Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney like Jide Aboderin, grandson of the late Chief Aboderin, the founder of The Punch newspaper, have been trolling xtremecr8 on both nairaland and Twitter.
We won't be distracted. They will reap injustice someday too unless they change.
We worked hard and toiled day and night to produce this logo for First Bank and we deserve our pay. Sending trolls after us to persuade and/or insult us is very disappointing and a new low for a big brand like FBN in our estimation.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
JideAboderin:
Having been on both sides (Client side and Small Agency), I speak with some authority on this particular issue. The Bank in question prides itself in supporting small businesses and has helped a number of businesses grow from small to medium and onwards to being recognized as large organisations.

In listening to the story in the video, you would see that the bank gave the company some work in 2015 and again in 2018/9. That's 4 fo 5 years of partnership - at least. The story claims that the same bank turns around to "harm the business" in 2019.

My experience with the Bank as a vendor/ partner has been different. The bank gave me my 1st breakthrough when I had just started out and that has propelled me to doing so many other things. I was not as lucky as the gentleman in the video to get a 125 Anniversary related job but I can only imagine how competitive the 125th Anniversary vendor bids were and the process involved in job distribution.

All in all, First Bank of Nigeria is not an institution that punishes or bullies small companies but one that supports and helps them grow.

One vendor's video does not tell the whole story. We need to hear from the bank's other vendors.

Signed.
Concerned FirstBank Partner.
Dear Mr Jide Aboderin, we didn't get the job because of our name or political connection. Without sounding immodest but with gratitude to God who we serve,we got it because we're amazingly blessed by God with such talent a big brand like FBN could not resist. We are proud of our humble background because we are those the Yoruba call "Atapatadide' (those with humble beginning) and perhaps if we have an uncle or relative who is an elderstatesman, no doubt, things would have been different. They want to cheat us and get away with it and we call on people like you to help beg them to pay us.
Going by the political depth of big brand First Bank where the children of the high and mighty from families like the Adewusis( of former Inspector General of Police, eminent elderstatesman,Pa Sunday Adewusi, former Lagos commissioner etc)Aboderins(owner of Nigeria's leading newspaper,The Punch),command greater influence than talented small brands like us,We know we are like outsiders.
Printing like few hundreds of iPad cover was the decoy they wanted to use to rob us of our IP and use as A substitute for paying us for the 125th Anniversary logo we designed for them.
Folake Ani-Mumuney and top managers of FBN from very privileged family background will most unlikely try this game of denying us our pay with an Aboderin or an Adewusi sir.
We have no doubt that you are from the popular and very successful Aboderin family that owns The Punch and they won't have tried any funny games with you a silverspoon of Aboderin that has the Punch behind you hence they treated you specially sir. Here is a Jide Aboderin that's most probably you in your family newspaper and your profile suggests that you must have worked under Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney who treated us badly and you and your partner, an Adewusi (another silverspoon) now patronize the bank by organizing corporate events for them sir.
https://punchng.com/financial-sector-professionals-hangout-in-lagos/

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 8:03am On Mar 06, 2020
And due to your support and pressure, they took time out of their very busy schedule to reply a small brand like us.
Here is the reply we got from the MD of First Bank, Mr Adeduntan.
While we appreciate his feedback,please kindly help us ask him,

Dear Mr Adeduntan,

Which part is "manifestly untrue" sir?
1.That xtremecr8 designed your First Bank 125th Anniversary logo.

Or

2. Xtremecr8 has not been paid a dime for designing your 125th Year anniversary logo.

Or


3. Your organisation,First bank, has used and still using the same logo we designed yet has not paid us a dime for designing this logo and you are still grandstanding

Or
4. We the small brand will die if a big brand like FBN could take all our hardwork and refuse to pay us.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
We just got reliably informed by one of those equally unhappy about the way the big brand First Bank treated us. First Bank (UK) Limited is equally using the logo we worked hard to design for FBN125th Anniversary celebrations yet we have not been paid a dime.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
Lucky4real28:
I am still not sure why you cant just visit the legal department and hear them out, obviously there is no written agreement on this which puts you in a bad spot, what do you have to loss If you visit the legal department?, You don't expect FBN to just credit you without any agreement written.
I understand they shouldn't have used the logo in the first place which is the only case you have.

Let me tell you what I thought happened, you designed and sent a sample to someone who works with FBN and then the person gave your design to someone else who remade it and signed a legal contract with FBN which they paid, FBN is not committing any crimes here as they don't even know you.
So I think your fight is with the contact you sent your design to which is still naive of your to do that.
I feel sorry for you to be honest but you should learn from all this, a watermark would have maybe make them sign a deal with you and getting the real deal rather than the free gift you offered them.
please do not listen to that guy that advised against getting a lawyer, he wants you to keep calling out FBN, truth is FBN don't have your time, atleast not yet but if this campaign continues, they might look into it and sue you for all you have and it won't still cost them a thing.
I think you have no case with FBN. Good luck and be careful
Thank you for the feedback sir.Please don't allow any brand or individual intimidate you and learn from our experience as a small organisation that is probably more experienced than you on this issue at hand sir.
You will agree with us after watching this video https://www.instagram.com/tv/B8efKBsF27l/?igshid=1092xtnvmcfpm we already shared here
that you don't understand the issue sir. We have equally stated that we are a small brand but not unreasonable. We don't cut corners or indulge in unethical practices and have repeatedly stated our reasons for this campaign. Only true entrepreneurs can connect to our story, they see their struggle in our predicament and we are grateful to them for their encouragement and support.
We are proud of our professional ethos largely influenced by our faith as Christians.

paragon40:
You are not a Lawyer, and if you're one as you have claimed to be, then you don't know your onions, so a lawyer should not be paid for his/her services. You're a joke. Your legal advice is for him to make plenty noise on social media via influencers, he would then create an opportunity for FBN to sue him for Defamation. @op better don't listen to this, you need to get a lawyer, let them write FBN. On the legal fees, you can strike a deal with your lawyers.
We assure you that we have not stated anything out of malice. There's nothing defamatory in demanding payment for your hardwork used by a big brand that hasn't paid you for it so don't allow anyone confuse or intimidate you.
We are seriously constrained to take this route and won't be intimidated.
They, big brand First Bank used our intellectual property and didn't pay us a dime. We have the right to demand payment for our hardwork so we won't die of hunger.
Eberechi24:
Oga, you are stubborn but you are not daring. You lack principal quality of a business individual, how can you be so fearful of legal unit not a courtroom? Oga hear them out before jumping into conclusion of fraud- they may/not mean no harm, whatever be the case.

Go to that unit, look them eyeball to eyeball and defend your property. Note you are not sign any paper. Record your conversation if necessary. Be smart.

E case wey dey bring money. This may be one of them.
We don't want to be stubborn or daring. We just want to get paid for designing the 125th Anniversary logo of big brand First Bank we designed. As we type here, they are still using it even through 2019, yet we have not been paid a dime. That's ungodly, immoral, unethical and not allowed anywhere in the world.We don't believe it is really the bank but the people currently charged with taking decisions on behalf of the first bank. Even in real life, please don't support evil or sit on the fence in the face of any form of injustice. Today it's xtremecr8, tomorrow it may be you that may be so badly treated by big brand First Bank.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 4:51pm On Mar 04, 2020
adonainana:
Dear Op, God will bless you for this move you have taken, please do not mind this mummuuu people saying you should get a lawyer etc

Please for the sake of your mental and financial health, do not get any lawyer to do anything for you , the social media damage you are doing now is enough

Also try to get Instablog to get the story on its page too, or better still pay them for a sponsored post,

I am a nigerian lawyer myself, Nigerian lawyers would only use you to chop money, Once you start the court case against the bank, they will use you to pay thier own children school fees, via appearance fees, etc

You will regret going to court because 3 years down the line you may still be there are they can always appeal till the supreme court

It will be you versus first bank of nigeria a bank that has billions of naira in its reserve, even if you win in court, they can still refuse to pay you, in the end the court case might cause depreseeion of suicide self,

Everything would fustrate you legal wise, nigerian is not the uk where you will get swift justice, dont let lawyers use you to accomplish thier own life goals

You have done well so far as a freelancer, you done a job for FBN and they have refused to pay

Please pay twitter infleuncers to carry the story and retweet the story, send this page to newspapers as well

You can only get your justice and money back through this way

AVOID LAWYERS PLEASE I AM A LAWYER MYSELF

Egungun please be careful, so when it happens you wont say i didnt warn you
Thank you sir for your candid advice and prayers. We just want to do things differently because we have the faith that this land still has men and women of conscience who can see the reason in our plea.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 4:31pm On Mar 04, 2020
SalamRushdie:
So this woman called Ani Mumuney hasnt stopped all this hanky panky behaviour , that's how she mad us waste resources in developing a third party business model for her department and after draining us intellectually and financially she took the finished model and handed it over to another firm and even gave the 500 thousand US dollars to implement the idea whereas my firm would have don the implementation for absolutely free whilst recovering our investments from sale of the solution to third parties but this woman and her cartel backstabbed us and handed my 100% original creation to another company where she obviously had interest ..But God being on my side they company failed to deliver and the project now moribound while I have made a ton of money deploying the solution with 3 other Banks who supported us and didn't back stab us ..
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 1:09am On Mar 04, 2020
commodore007:
All these legal team meeting is story..once you meet them they would re-schedule another meeting till the matter dies down...it's a slow down tactics....most big brands use this system to push small brands into a tight corner....there by making them to loose steam....#xtreme cr8 remember your story must be heard#
God bless you Sir! You really understand their game and we wish we knew better than we now know.
Even to pay the benefits of one of their departed employee has been reminders upon reminder that gathers dust like the bureaucracy of an inefficient public service and the poor widow is in so much financial difficulty. This is their unit charged with the responsibility to attend to the family of those workers who served First bank diligently and had passed on let alone we that they see as if they are even doing a favour by riding roughshod on us.
To reclaim her husband's benefits,the poor old widow has been on it for years yet they will keep posting her, is it now us they already dealt with they won't fly us a kite to go visit legal as if the legal was not there when the bank infringed on our IP. Is it not the legal unit that should give it's approval to use of an IP to ensure that there is clear evidence that there is a legitimate right to use the logo?
It's so sad how First Bank got to this unenviable state.
We will not rest until justice is served. They treated us badly but we will keep our protest within the breadth of decency to protect the legacy of those founders of the bank who toiled to build the brand some of their current people now want to destroy.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 9:18pm On Mar 03, 2020
Ikjosh04:
Xtremecr8 you came here to seek advice and opinions on the best way to get paid for the service you rendered to FBN and I've gone through the thread and lots of advice has been given out. If by now you don't know you need to meet with FBN legal team to know why you are yet to be paid then I'm forced to conclude you're here on nairaland constituting nuisance. I'm in no way supporting FBN ( I dislike that bank) but you need to leave emotions out of it and follow instructions.
At the bolded,Really? We actually came here to let people know about our horrible experience, encourage them to speak up so we can exchange notes, solicit the help of well meaning men and women of conscience in this land to help us beg first bank to pay us for designing their 125th Year anniversary. Thank you for your advice sir. We actually don't hate first bank.

Our objective is already yielding results and there will soon be more small brands speaking up. We won't rest until men and women of conscience in this land wade in.
We won't meet with their legal unit because we no longer trust the judgement of Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney who referred our request for payment to the legal unit after the ploy to fool us with a job to print about 100 ipad covers failed.We have course to reasonably suspect that the legal unit works hand in glove with her since they didn't see qualms in the corporate infringement and advice her against such decision she led the bank into.
They seem to all be profiting actively from such a system that robs small brands of their sweat and labour by going ahead to use the logo without paying us and still want to breathe down our necks.
We should actually be demanding an apology From them as well as our due payment.
We will meet with a higher authority that may include the top management but not that unit.

Our goals for this campaign is clearly not against the bank but these powerful clique of decision making people behind this that made a big brand like FBN to a point it wants to kill a small brand like us.

Our campaign is a noble one in the face of God and man. We laboured and invested a lot to design their 125th Anniversary logo, we have not been paid a dime for it.
We are grateful to God and those helping us so far to make reason prevail as we are already making some little progress.
We are grateful to you all.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
losprince:
You're being really obtuse about this. You may think you are in the right (maybe morally) but legally FBN has the upper hand here. If they directed you to their legal department then the wise thing to do as a businessman is to see their legal department. It's that simple.

This your nairaland activism isn't going to help you or your brand and frankly, people will soon start to see you as a nuisance.
Thank you sir. We are morally and legally right to demand payment for our hardwork.
It's morally wrong and illegal to use people's intellectual property and still grandstand.
Our campaign will go on to ensure other small brands learn from our experience and ensure First Bank pays. We will meet with their accounts and top management if they eventually realise how bad they have behaved by using our work and not paying us.
They have used it and still using it yet has not paid us a dime. It is where we are as a nation of people who don't encourage others to do the RIGHT thing.
We are not scared of speaking up. You used our IP First Bank,pay us. Others who have had similar experience, please speak up and join our campaign to stop the ill treatment of small brands by big brands.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
IceColdVeins:
See let me explain how bank-vendor payment relationship works
I sincerely don't think we have a challenge in that area and that is not the issue sir. The issue is that we are not paid for a logo we designed for their 125th Anniversary logo and it has been used and is being used. Many small brands have suffered this same experience from these big brands and has to stop. We have received so many messages from more people with this similar problem but too scared to speak up and we just chose to speak up.
We have been at this for months on this issue. How are we expected to pay our own bills?
Why use our logo for months and not pay us? Is that done anywhere in this world? What manner of country watch and allow the talents from its citizens be brazenly stolen and the thief goes away?
We have seen their paid hands attempt to shift the issue away from main issue sir. We know it won't be easy like we have been forewarned. We will maintain our ground that the moment they started using our logo, they become liable.We won't stop until we are paid and the system punish people like the FBN officials who infringed on our IP and stood against us getting paid for our Labour.
The national assembly will eventually wade into this issue in order to probe this issue of how big brands treat small indigenous brands.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 8:20am On Mar 03, 2020
AngryIgboMan:
Nairaland these days have turned to a playground for people without thinking or reasoning faculty. Sorry to say these but the average Nigerian still thinks like a stone age beast.

Even though the complainant made very clear his reasons for not using the legal route, some airheads still think they are smart and can force there opinions on others.

All same, I will assist the OP by giving an illustration I gave on another thread.

Pyrrhic victory is a victory or success that comes at the expense of great losses or costs. In business, examples of such a victory could include winning a lengthy and expensive lawsuit that at the end of the day, it wouldn't have made sense to head to the courts.

The expression alludes to King Pyrrhus of Epicurus, who, after defeating the Romans in battle, reportedly said: "If we win another such battle against the Romans, we will be completely lost." He reportedly lost 16,000 of his 17,000 best officers and warlords.

In life, there are things you just allow to slide no matter how painful it is. It doesn't make sense to win a battle and loose a war.

I believe that the complainant is trying to make first bank see reasons on why this should not get dirty. Infact if this gets sorted out in a "clean" manner, he may still get another contract from them which will be a win win for everybody. Please lets be guided.

My personal opinion though.
God bless you sir. The attempt to reduce it to "go see the legal " says much about how long injustice committed against small brands has been permitted and taken as normal. The legal angle was an afterthought and clearly ought to be before the logo was used if it wasn't an attempt to intimidate us.
We are small but not unreasonable. This is a pattern to intimidate and we will not be intimidated. They won't do this to international brands they spend billions to get same services available locally. Did they refer CNN to their legal unit to pay CNN when they used our designed logo on their ads that ran on international media?
We don't have business with their legal unit after they used our design.
Once they had used our design and schemed that paying for about 100 ipad covers they ordered us to print would fool us as the compensation, referring to legal was just to dig in more delays and technicality so we won't be paid. We have equally refused to sign any confidentiality form they are imposing on their vendors in the wake of our demand that we get paid. Small brands are seriously been humiliated and killed by these Nigerian big brands and we need the support of everyone including government to put a stop to it before they kill our creative industry completely.
If Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney had requested us to see legal before our design for their 125th Anniversary logo was used, we would gladly do so. Referring us to legal unit while they are using our design and not paying us is how they want to kill us.
We deserve our pay and won't stop begging well meaning Nigerians to prevail on big brand First bank not to kill us.

BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op): 1:01pm On Mar 02, 2020
Studio247:
People People like this are everywhere
One need to be careful when dealing with people
Some will take your job take your idea and still threaten you.
I have lost money to people I never expected will pay me back with evil.

Please use all your strength to fight them until you get what belongs to you.

I know how it hurts
Thank you sir. It really hurts we must admit. You even feel as if you should leave this country and take your craft and natural talent elsewhere.
BusinessRe: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8(op):
glowskillz:
Rightly said... I have gone through all his post and it all smelt of sentiments and deep emotions (understandably so)... But he has to put that aside if he really want to get this all sorted fast.

1. Stop screaming about how small you are, this is not really helping much, but only making this whole thing look pathetic.

2. What's with you and FBN losing and you winning... They have the financial capacity to lose and you don't, so I don't see what's you deal with them losing... This company don't give a sh*t about others losing, they won't even blink an eye when they want to collect your collateral for defaulting on loans, and you are saying you don't want them to lose, what's that.

3. The one and most important question everyone has been asking, to which you seem to not have answer to (which will determine if you have a good case or just left with begging them to pay) is, do you have a signed agreement or sign proposal or signed whatever?
Hmmm. If you have sincerely gone through our comments without any motive to judge us, you would agree with us that we have stated and disclosed that we have an official engagement as a vendor for them. If you're a vendor with first bank and had read even other past experiences that suddenly came out in the course of our plea, you will understand how small brands are treated by this big brands. We have not broken any law of God and/or man by demanding pay for legitimate work we gave our best to do and delivered.Taking us through extra stress after doing a great job was the part we didn't see coming. We completely agree that we should have done more due diligence not only on FIRST Bank but background check on the character and temperament of their rep Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney.
We are the victim here and urge small businesses to learn from our experience.

We have the right to call on well meaning individuals and organisations to help us beg FIRST bank to pay us, we will never go this extra mile if we are dubious or have things to hide. There's no rocket science in this, you have a need, we met it to your satisfaction that you used it, paying us shouldn't be a big deal just the way we would not have been pained if they didn't use the logo we design.
We are not taking the legal route at least for now Let's see if we really don't have men and women of conscience in this land. Let's see if this woman can't be taken up on how badly she played us as a representative of FBN.
To all small brands out there, speak up against injustice against your interest by any big brand.

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