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this is a message to the moderator (Maclatunji) who is banning Shia members (including my senior brother "LagosShia") on the forum in a bid to silence them.you should know firstly that this forum isn't your father's property.even the owner appreciates the fact that the forum is a public forum.

you are abusing your mandate and portraying yourself as insane.May Allah (swt) hold you accountable for your tyranny online.you should know that we are many and if we wish,we can gather up to 100 members in this forum to make sure nothing but Islam as the Shia follow it in its pure form (not sunnism/wahhabism) prevails.

be mindful of Allah tabaraka.if you refuse to act responsibly,we'd make sure you get fed-up in moderating this forum.we'd turn it into a mess.your planned assault at a specific group of people is disgraceful.

i hope Seun sees this or if things do not change i'd make sure the nonsense prevailing here gets to his knowledge.i wonder what type of moderator take sides.

this is a message to the moderator (Maclatunji) who is banning Shia members (including my senior brother "LagosShia") on the forum in a bid to silence them.you should know firstly that this forum isn't your father's property.even the owner appreciates the fact that the forum is a public forum.

you are abusing your mandate and portraying yourself as insane.May Allah (swt) hold you accountable for your tyranny online.you should know that we are many and if we wish,we can gather up to 100 members in this forum to make sure nothing but Islam as the Shia follow it in its pure form (not sunnism/wahhabism) prevails.

be mindful of Allah tabaraka.if you refuse to act responsibly,we'd make sure you get fed-up in moderating this forum.we'd turn it into a mess.your planned assault at a specific group of people is disgraceful.

i hope Seun sees this or if things do not change i'd make sure the nonsense prevailing here gets to his knowledge.i wonder what type of moderator take sides.

and there are Muslims wh wonder why non-Muslims see Islam different and in negative light.

it is people like Vedaxcool who have abused Islam.they have made armed-robbers and coup plotters to be "skillful leaders".

the darkest place and time of Islamic history and government is something to be proud of for Sunnis.very sad indeed.

[size=14pt]"Saqifa; the debacle of Islamic Government[/size]

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/saqifa/en/index.php

say4gunit:
guy u dey fall my hand, what fear of truth are u talking about? Were u born shiat? Or do u find the later realise u want to join shiat sect? Wetin i know be say Naso Yusufiyya Movement a.k.a boko haram start their own, and na so them brainwash people join their sect.

wow!

i really cannot believe my eyes reading your post.

are you for real? do you know that the "Shia" is the earliest movement and school of thought in Islam?do you know muslims are not homogenous? do you know "SHIA" is ISLAM itself?do you know that the "Shia" is one of the two branches of Islam,the other being referred to as "Sunni"? do you know that the overwhelming majority of muslims can either be Shia or Sunni?

do you know that the Prophet Muhammad (sa) himself labelled the followers,close associates and loyalists of Imam Ali (as) as "Shia't Ali"?Do you know that the Shia in the earliest times of Islam were persecuted and followers of the Household of the Prophet Muhammad (sa),the Ahlul-Bayt (as)?

do you know that Boko Haram is a sunni movement even obvious from its full name with salafist/wahhabi ideology totally opposed to the Shia?do you know that there is nothing like terrorism in Islam?do you know the violent salafist ideology stems from pre-islamic arabia and pagan arabian culture?do you know that the first to suffer this terrorism was the Prophet (sa) and the Ahlul-Bayt (as)?do you know that this terrorism made the hypocrite arabians to behead the grandson of the Prophet (sa),Imam Hussain (as)?do you shia mourn Imam Hussain (as) annually in commemoration of his martydom?do you know Shia are opposed to violence and terrorism?

do you know that the Shia happen to be the most organized Islamic school of thought in terms of its leadership structure in the religious seminaries known as hawza and the scholarly leadership known as "marjaiyya"?

do you know that shia dont go about in market places and killing innocent people because any act of defense they undertake are legally and religiously backed by their religious leaderships?do you know that the Shia fully abide by the Quranic verse 2:256 which advocates "no compulsion in religion"?do you know because of that Shia do not kill people as the wahhabis do for differences in beliefs and religion?

you really fall my hand!!! if you hadn't spoken it could have saved your image.


it is like a christian in a christian country comparing a minority muslims among their citizens to alqaeda just because he hadn't heard of Islam.

vedaxcool:
lol! Very soon zhul fiqah wl chant ya lagoshia madad, your display of tarqiyah does nt impress me, we all know dat u r d one dat hs frequented my thread hurling insults because u have no valid pts to offer i usually laugh at your reply dy serv as amusement oh d wahabi hav paid veda, d wahabi dis d wahabi dat lol all pointing to des-pe-ra-tion. Sista deols your concerns hav bn noted and i hav made my point.

please do not try to think you can score a cheap shot at me by pretending comedy here.you either treat the topic of this thread or contribute in another.if you want to argue with me do that in the proper thread and not this one.you have a lot to cry and not laugh.for God's sake,your ignorance is alarming.you discuss what you have no idea about.such a person as yourself is either paid as an online mercenary to do this hate mongering on forums or you are just naive and childish.it is no more a secret that when faced with ideas you have not read about,which you oppose just because you are allergic or act to be allergic to the word "shia",you search the net for the trash in it and post it here.i even doubt you read them at all.

i just started one thread that exposes your sunnism where it hurts most and see the reactions.it is easy to laugh when you do not know what the Prophet (sa) taught and what Islamic values are and these are concealed in your sunni books hidden in your library shelves and depicted in real life as "shia teachings".like they say:"ignorance is bliss"!!!so keep laughing!!!

deols:
I appreciate that you read what i wrote But I mentioned both sides, the shiites and us(defenders and dat sure includes Vedaxcool). fine, christians do it, but it gets much more disturbing to me when it is Muslims against Muslims. You would understand that a discord with someone from the outside cannot be likened with one in the same family. One is definitely worse.

I look forward to a situation where we are MUSLIMS first! we will definitely disagree on issues but our posts shouldnt have hate words as headings.

sister,
we can reach agreement and respect ourselves when we start to accept,tolerate and respect our right to believe as we do.let "Vedaxcool" stop behaving as if he is the only member of the forum.let us our right to post and contribute peacefully.if you dont want to read our posts,fine.that is your choice.we wont force you to click.in that way there would be no quarrels.but "Vedaxcool" wants to behave like the middle east people.he wants to censor us from expressing ourselves and beliefs.

why doesn't he join hands with brother LagosShia and confront the kuffar and defend islam?in fact he is busy in another thread defending "frosbel" a kafir who insults and disrespects the Prophet (sa) against LagosShia.isn't that crazy? let sunnis preach about their own sahaba and beliefs and what they are taught.we also would teach our beliefs.do your own,and i do my own,fair and simple.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=831217.msg9822203#msg9822203 date=1324638200]@ your mutah post


on the thread where someone asked a question about breastfeeding (fill in the blanks), you yourself referred to an incident where you said the prophet asked a woman to suckle someone in order to make him haram.

Just saying- not trying to start an argument here but i think your analogy is a bit off.

And some nigerian muslims do practice it, although i dont know if its as a religious or traditional habit.

Having wives in different places you frequent isnt unknown among rich nigerians and nowadays, diasporan ones irrespective of religion i must add.[/quote]"adult breasfeeding" as is the case also with MISYAR and taraweeh are bid'ah practiced by sunnis.

as for the adult breastfeeding,this is an invented bid'ah attributed to the Prophet (sa) in sunni hadiths.what we know in Islam is that when a woman breastfeeds a child,the child and the woman even though not his biological mother share the bond of motherhood.that woman would be forbidden for the boy to later on in life marry because she suckled him.but "adult-breafeeding"?that was definitely not something our Prophet,Muhammad (sa),son of Abdullah promoted or taught.this is the teaching of perverts.this is the foolishness that exists in sunni books that give muslims bad name.the same with the so called "satanic verses".this is what sunnis have recorded and forged in their books.we muslims should really not feel insulted by the kafir people.all the poisonnous materials used against islam was forged by early "sunnis" and in sunni books mostly thanks to the anti-islamic rule of the banu umayya known as the ummayyads (supported by present-day sunnis) in islamic history and their fabrication machines.likewise,with the terrorism promoted by the salafist/wahhabi teachings.these people are promoting the violent culture of the pre-islamic arabia.islam is peace.arabian culture in the pre-islamic times was very barbaric and violent.

Sister,

we came here to preach our ideology and beliefs based on the Quran and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (sa) and the Ahlul-Bayt (as) which of ofcourse sunnis have ignored and strayed from the right path.no offense intended.

what is really shocking is the feeling of being threatened that someone like yourself shows by starting this very thread.the kuffar throughout open threads even insulting the person of our beloved Prophet (sa) calling him names like "ra.pist","armed-robber","pedo.phille" and lot more.you do not feel disgusted or moved by calling them to order.or if at all,the forum accomodates that.but it is only when the shia promote their beliefs based on true and pure Islam,sunnis have strayed from that you are moved.let me remind you of something you may have forgotten or wrongly ignored:most of the Shia in nigeria are not born Shia.they discovered the truth.they were once like you and other muslims.we are not aliens from mars.we are also not outcast in the society or homo.sexuals promoting what violates nigerian law.even outcasts and those promoting ideas that violate nigeria law like "dividing the country" are tolerated in this forum.

let me also remind you that,if you go to the religion section and in this Islamic section,our shia brother "LagosShia" is the one muslim who has devoted much of his time in defending Islam as a whole and the Prophet (sa) particularly against the bad utterances and claims especially by christians.he has done much for Islam,be us sunni or shia.and may Allah reward him abundantly for that.

it is obvious that when we came here,we came to preach and not to fight or offend anyone.we are peace-loving people.we do not force anyone to click on the threads we create.we contribute as others do.the one person who has increased tension in the forum is "Vedaxcool".he claims to represent sunnis or sunnism.it would do us all good if you can call him to order and ask him to stop contributing in our threads.he wants to shut us up and silence us.he wants to put an end to our objective to preach.that is not going to happen.we will continue to preach SHIA ISLAM on nairaland as long as nairaland is open to the public and Nigeria is a democracy that assures its citizens of freedom of expression and the nigerian constitution gurantees freedom to worship and associate.so under no might in this universe would stop shias from contributing constructively in forums for the benefit of all muslims.

i want to conclude by throwing the blame on "[b]Vedaxcool".[/b]it was all fine with everyone when "Vedaxcool" was throwing insults,baseless accusations and lies against the Shia.it only became "disgusting" when the Shia take a step further to expose the most concealed and hidden "secrets" of the sunnism.now that is unfair to us.you dont let your sunni brother,"Vedaxcool" to intimidate us with insults and false accusations and lies to distort the truth and conceal it and then blame us.he sees us as "promoting falsehood",so we must defend ourselves and prove that sunnism is falsehood.and i must let you know that i personally would rather be a kafir of first degree order (if such exists) than be a sunni following their version of their so called "islam".if not for SHIA ISLAM,i will not call myself "muslim" because your backward sunnism depicts the arabian culture and the arabian jahiliyyah period in Quraysh of Mecca.

if you want to be a fair judge which would be much appreciated from you,ask your sunni brother "Vedaxcool" to stop contributing in our threads.we force no one to click on them.Vedaxcool is the only one that keeps posting copy/paste works to spread hate and increase tension with no aim to reason or constructively engage us but to insult and provoke us.

so do us all a favor and ignore us.tell that to your brother.we force no one to click on our threads.

vedaxcool:
[size=14pt]The new threads I started where specifically refuting shia doctrine. Like this thread definitely gave the historical background with regards to the role of shias of Kufa in the death of Imam Hussain r.a, now certain individuals believe unless you accept their own view on issues, as I have shown how "civil" lagoshia is in  debate, to which zhul Fiqah follows closely. What is driving my thread, well say Jihad against falsehood. I am willing to hand in any more clarifications you may require.[/size]

a funny and stubborn goat you are!

still referring to the hypocrites of kufa who had conflicting creeds and beliefs "shia".
while he refuses to see that companions sunnis honor were complacent and responsible for the killing of usthman,the third sunni calips.he totally ignores the question:"where were sunnis,when Imam Hussain (as) was martyred"?

some people are just fantastic in expressing their wet-dreams!!!

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sorry, I forgot that Insulting, Slandering and cursing is seen as halal in shias doctrine, to believe he called frosbel bastard, indirectly slandering his mum, just the entire response shows the pitfalls of shiasm[/size]

a street kid like yourself who uses dirty words against others without any justification should see nothing wrong with what you accuse others of and insult them .you use insults to offend others and not to react with annoyance.it is amazing how you are so staunchly defending a kafir who does not hesistate or think twice before insulting and calling the Prophet Muhammad (sa) the ugliest of names and expressions.shame on you!

i am sure you know how Jesus addressed his contemporaries.what would you say to "frosbel"?here is a post made by brother "LagosShia":

"Jesus, Insults And The Jews":
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-817012.0.html

after calling mutah names and condemning it,he finally agreed that the Prophet (sa) allowed it before he alleged that it was later "banned".so implicitly he has insulted the person of the Prophet (sa).

he also ignores the hadiths that point out as we shia maintain,that it was Umar that forbade mutah and not the Prophet (sa).also as hadith would show,the sahaba and muslims practiced mutah up to the time of Abu bakr,the first sunni caliph and it was alright.There is nothing that will prove that our Imams (as) especially Imam Ali (as) thought of mutah as something forbidden.the followers of umar were blind followers.the condition for usthman becoming caliph was his acceptance to follow the "sunnah of the shaykhain",i.e.sunnah or teachings of abu bakr and umar,referred to as the "two sheikhs".the people followed the bid'ah of umar.the same happened on tarawih bid'ah of umar.Imam Ali (as) sent his son to disperse people from making this bid'ah a continuos act during the month of ramadan.but the reaction of people was "WA UMAR".that was an exclamation to symbolise sorrow for umar's legacy.people saw Imam Ali's (as) move not as upholding true Islam and fighting bid'ah.they saw him as someone abolishing umar's legacy.it is unfortunate that people from the teachings of umar and not the teachings of Muhammad (sa).that is the reality of sunnism.the arabian culture and tradition is ingrained in it.will Imam Ali (as) go into people's houses forcing men to practice mut'ah when it is not even an obligatory act?

below is evidence that mut'ah was practiced up to the time of abu bakr,the first sunni caliph.how can someone give the excuse that some sahaba did not know that mut'ah was banned when mut'ah is allowed in a Quranic verse they read and there is no verse in the Quran that "abrogated" the permissibility?in fact there is nothing like abrogation in the Quran else that would amount to contradiction.


[b]Umar said: Two types of Mut'a were (legal) during the time of the Prophet and I forbid them both, and I punish those who commit it. They are: Mut'a of pilgrimage and Mut'a of women.
Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Fakhr al-Razi, v3, p201 under verse 4:24;Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p52


Sa'id b. al-Musayyab reported that 'Ali and 'Uthman (Allah be pleased with them) met at 'Usfan; and Uthman used to forbid (people) from performing Tamattu' and 'Umra (during the period of Hajj), whereupon 'Ali said: What is your opinion about a matter which the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) did but you forbid it? Thereupon Uthman said: You leave us alone, whereupon he ('Ali) said: I cannot leave you alone. When 'Ali saw this, he put on Ihram for both of them together (both for Hajj and 'Umra).
Sahih Muslim, Book 7, Hadiths 2816



In Sunni commentary it is reported that: Umar said, while on the pulpit: "O folk! Three were (allowed) during the time of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF), and I forbid them, and make them Haraam, and punish on them. They were: Mut'a of women, Mut'a of Hajj (pilgrimage), and saying 'Hayya Ala Khair al-Amal'(i.e. during adhan)." 
Sharh Al-Tajreed, by al-Fadhil al-Qoshaji, (Imama Section) al-Mustaniran, by al-Tabari

"He (Umar) is the first who made Mut'a forbidden (Haraam)."
Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p136


Also Both Ibn Jarir al-Tabari and al-Zamakhshari narrated that: "al-Hakam Ibn Ayniyah was asked if the verse of Mut'a of women is abrogated. He answered: 'No'."
Tafsir al-Tabari, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran, v8, p178 ;Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by al-Zamakhshari, under the verse 4:24, v1, p519


"Ali said: The Mut'a is a mercy from Allah to his servants. If it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin of) fornication except a (Shaqi/Shafa)."
al-Nihaya, by Ibn al-Athir, v2, p249 ;al-Faiq, by al-Zamakhshari, v1, p331 ;Lisan Al-Arab, Ibn Mandhoor, v19, p166 ;Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v8, p293


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now ask the munafiqeen to show you the 3 instances were mut'ah is reported to have have been forbidden by the Prophet (sa):all the 3 hadiths outrightly contradict each other.with all the evidence available in sunni sources even pointing to the fact that umar,the father of bid'ah forbade things the Prophet (sa) permitted,one will only wonder why would those who claim to be muslims leave the teachings of the Prophet (sa) and follow that of Umar?

uplawal:
Leave vedaxcool alone,i wondered why he is not refuting the new thread you opened for him.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3255
"Sabra al-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father that while he was with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon hm) he said: O people, I had permitted you to contract temporary marriage with women…"

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3250:
Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'as (muta of Hajj and muta of women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger pbuh Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3261 'Urwa b. Zabair reported that 'Abdullah b. Zubair stood up (and delivered an address) in Mecca saying: Allah has made blind the hearts of some people as He has deprived them of eyesight that they give religious verdict in favor of temporary marriage, while he was alluding to a person (Ibn 'Abbas). Ibn Abbas called him and said: You are an uncouth person, devoid of sense. By my life, Mut'a was practised during the lifetime of the leader of the pious (he meant Allah's Messenger, pbuh), and Ibn Zubair said to him: just do it yourselves, and by Allah, if you do that I will stone you with your stones. Ibn Shihab said. Khalid b. Muhajir b. Saifullah informed me: While I was sitting in the company of a person, a person came to him and he asked for a religious verdict about Mut'a and he permitted him to do it.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3252
Sabra Juhanni reported: Allah's Messenger pbuh permitted temporary marriage for us. So I and another person went out and saw a woman of Bana 'Amir, who was like a young long-necked she-camel. We presented ourselves to her (for contracting temporary marriage), whereupon she said: What dower would you give me? I said: My cloak. And my companion also said: My cloak. And the cloak of-my companion was superior to my cloak, but I was younger than he. So when she looked at the cloak of my companion she liked it, and when she cast a glance at me I looked more attractive to her. She then said: Well, you and your cloak are sufficient for me. I remained with her for three nights, and then Allah's Messenger pbuh said: He who has any such woman with whom he had contracted temporary marriage, he should let her off.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139
Narrated Abdullah: We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: The Verse of muta was revealed in Allah's Book, so we performed it with Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Qur'an to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But the man (omar) just expressed what his own mind suggested



Sunni Quran Commentators on Verse 4:24,the Verse of Mut'ah and Its Revelation:

"This verse was revealed regarding Mut'ah"

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, Volume 1 page 84;Tafseer Durr al-Manthur, Volume 2 page 140;Tafseer Tabari, Page 9 part 5;Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 3 page 95;Tafseer Baydhawi, Volume 2 page 9.

vedaxcool:
[size=14pt]His response again proves that shiasm is based on being mannerless, insulting ones parent over the action of a married individual, a married man that is 100% responsible for his actions, insulting his parents! na by force make persin dey reply for nl? thru away his fasting because of frosbel! well that is the behavior of shais anyway![/size]

are you his God to say that he "threw away his fast"?

you're defending a kafir against someone who testifies in the shahada.

are you for real? why would frosbel use bad words against the Prophet (sa)? if he was given good home training by his parents,he would not have done that.do muslims insult Jesus (pbuh)?

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3255
"Sabra al-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father that while he was with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon hm) he said: O people, I had permitted you to contract temporary marriage with women…"

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3250:
Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'as (muta of Hajj and muta of women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger pbuh Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3261 'Urwa b. Zabair reported that 'Abdullah b. Zubair stood up (and delivered an address) in Mecca saying: Allah has made blind the hearts of some people as He has deprived them of eyesight that they give religious verdict in favor of temporary marriage, while he was alluding to a person (Ibn 'Abbas). Ibn Abbas called him and said: You are an uncouth person, devoid of sense. By my life, Mut'a was practised during the lifetime of the leader of the pious (he meant Allah's Messenger, pbuh), and Ibn Zubair said to him: just do it yourselves, and by Allah, if you do that I will stone you with your stones. Ibn Shihab said. Khalid b. Muhajir b. Saifullah informed me: While I was sitting in the company of a person, a person came to him and he asked for a religious verdict about Mut'a and he permitted him to do it.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3252
Sabra Juhanni reported: Allah's Messenger pbuh permitted temporary marriage for us. So I and another person went out and saw a woman of Bana 'Amir, who was like a young long-necked she-camel. We presented ourselves to her (for contracting temporary marriage), whereupon she said: What dower would you give me? I said: My cloak. And my companion also said: My cloak. And the cloak of-my companion was superior to my cloak, but I was younger than he. So when she looked at the cloak of my companion she liked it, and when she cast a glance at me I looked more attractive to her. She then said: Well, you and your cloak are sufficient for me. I remained with her for three nights, and then Allah's Messenger pbuh said: He who has any such woman with whom he had contracted temporary marriage, he should let her off.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139
Narrated Abdullah: We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: The Verse of muta was revealed in Allah's Book, so we performed it with Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Qur'an to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But the man (omar) just expressed what his own mind suggested



Sunni Quran Commentators on Verse 4:24,the Verse of Mut'ah and Its Revelation:

"This verse was revealed regarding Mut'ah"

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, Volume 1 page 84;Tafseer Durr al-Manthur, Volume 2 page 140;Tafseer Tabari, Page 9 part 5;Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 3 page 95;Tafseer Baydhawi, Volume 2 page 9.

vedaxcool:
This is sufficient believe what you want! the Prophet allowed consumption of Alcohol till a certain point when it was banned, see how zhul insults the prophets to commit fornication!

the Prophet (sa) himself never drank alcohol and he never encouraged or urged the companions to drink.but can the same be said about mut'ah?

let us see:

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3255
"Sabra al-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father that while he was with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon hm) he said: O people, I had permitted you to contract temporary marriage with women…"

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3250:
Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'as (muta of Hajj and muta of women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger pbuh Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3261 'Urwa b. Zabair reported that 'Abdullah b. Zubair stood up (and delivered an address) in Mecca saying: Allah has made blind the hearts of some people as He has deprived them of eyesight that they give religious verdict in favor of temporary marriage, while he was alluding to a person (Ibn 'Abbas). Ibn Abbas called him and said: You are an uncouth person, devoid of sense. By my life, Mut'a was practised during the lifetime of the leader of the pious (he meant Allah's Messenger, pbuh), and Ibn Zubair said to him: just do it yourselves, and by Allah, if you do that I will stone you with your stones. Ibn Shihab said. Khalid b. Muhajir b. Saifullah informed me: While I was sitting in the company of a person, a person came to him and he asked for a religious verdict about Mut'a and he permitted him to do it.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3252
Sabra Juhanni reported: Allah's Messenger pbuh permitted temporary marriage for us. So I and another person went out and saw a woman of Bana 'Amir, who was like a young long-necked she-camel. We presented ourselves to her (for contracting temporary marriage), whereupon she said: What dower would you give me? I said: My cloak. And my companion also said: My cloak. And the cloak of-my companion was superior to my cloak, but I was younger than he. So when she looked at the cloak of my companion she liked it, and when she cast a glance at me I looked more attractive to her. She then said: Well, you and your cloak are sufficient for me. I remained with her for three nights, and then Allah's Messenger pbuh said: He who has any such woman with whom he had contracted temporary marriage, he should let her off.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139
Narrated Abdullah: We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: The Verse of muta was revealed in Allah's Book, so we performed it with Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Qur'an to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But the man (omar) just expressed what his own mind suggested



Sunni Quran Commentators on Verse 4:24,the Verse of Mut'ah and Its Revelation:

"This verse was revealed regarding Mut'ah"

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, Volume 1 page 84;Tafseer Durr al-Manthur, Volume 2 page 140;Tafseer Tabari, Page 9 part 5;Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 3 page 95;Tafseer Baydhawi, Volume 2 page 9.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3255
"Sabra al-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father that while he was with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon hm) he said: O people, I had permitted you to contract temporary marriage with women…"

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3250:
Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'as (muta of Hajj and muta of women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger pbuh Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3261 'Urwa b. Zabair reported that 'Abdullah b. Zubair stood up (and delivered an address) in Mecca saying: Allah has made blind the hearts of some people as He has deprived them of eyesight that they give religious verdict in favor of temporary marriage, while he was alluding to a person (Ibn 'Abbas). Ibn Abbas called him and said: You are an uncouth person, devoid of sense. By my life, Mut'a was practised during the lifetime of the leader of the pious (he meant Allah's Messenger, pbuh), and Ibn Zubair said to him: just do it yourselves, and by Allah, if you do that I will stone you with your stones. Ibn Shihab said. Khalid b. Muhajir b. Saifullah informed me: While I was sitting in the company of a person, a person came to him and he asked for a religious verdict about Mut'a and he permitted him to do it.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3252
Sabra Juhanni reported: Allah's Messenger pbuh permitted temporary marriage for us. So I and another person went out and saw a woman of Bana 'Amir, who was like a young long-necked she-camel. We presented ourselves to her (for contracting temporary marriage), whereupon she said: What dower would you give me? I said: My cloak. And my companion also said: My cloak. And the cloak of-my companion was superior to my cloak, but I was younger than he. So when she looked at the cloak of my companion she liked it, and when she cast a glance at me I looked more attractive to her. She then said: Well, you and your cloak are sufficient for me. I remained with her for three nights, and then Allah's Messenger pbuh said: He who has any such woman with whom he had contracted temporary marriage, he should let her off.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139
Narrated Abdullah: We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: The Verse of muta was revealed in Allah's Book, so we performed it with Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Qur'an to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But the man (omar) just expressed what his own mind suggested



Sunni Quran Commentators on Verse 4:24,the Verse of Mut'ah and Its Revelation:

"This verse was revealed regarding Mut'ah"

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, Volume 1 page 84;Tafseer Durr al-Manthur, Volume 2 page 140;Tafseer Tabari, Page 9 part 5;Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 3 page 95;Tafseer Baydhawi, Volume 2 page 9.

^^^^^

you have just typed kufr.you have accused the Prophet (sa) to have permitted "lust" since the sahaba practiced mut'ah marriage.

now let me examine the translation of the verse in question and then i would ask you a question:

[Shakir 4:24] "And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise".

what does the phrase translated as "then as to those whom you profit by" means?

vedaxcool:
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Lol! when did I say that polygamy is not an ideal marriage, or i said Christians will say polygamy is not an ideal marriage, your desperation is very mind boggling indeed! Allah said marry only one, this mutah ruse will definitely make nonsense of the verse

in that case,christians do not say polygamy is not the ideal marriage.they disregard it totally and shun it.so you can see who is using what christians think (not even what he thinks) to fight for his desperate sunnism.

Recently a famous Iranian actress by the name of Zahra Ebrahimi sold sex for a few days. Her indecency home video of what she was doing with her Armenian 'boyfriend' was then posted on the internet. By doing lots of contract sex she had developed a taste for ellicit sex and was filmed in one of her contracts Being Intimate in a canine style. Ultimatly she denied making the video and blamed it on her mutah boyfried and on camera tricks. But the interesting bit behind this story was that it exposed how indecency in Iran has become so wide spread that the Iranian parliament reacted by making laws to execute any woman who appeared in home videos of herself and loading it on the internet. The result has been that Iranian indecency videos have become hot sellers in the indecency world for dirty Western men to gape at misled and exploited Muslim girls performing sex routines. Some school videos on how Iranian girls act out indecency routines in classrooms are also on the internet to be seen by the Western public. [/size]

mut'ah marriage is mut'ah marriage.and pros.titution and other forbidden acts are on their own.

would you then agree that the many moroccan pros.titutes that are found in nigeria who are sunni,are pros.titutes because of the sunni bid'ah of misyar?and would you agree they represent sunnis and their beliefs?

vedaxcool:
[size=14pt]Iistamtaatum does not mean when you perform mutah, such misleading translations are sheer desperation, as Istamtaa’atum is a verb meaning To Benefit, TO Fulfil, To Please or To Enjoy.

But if you insist it means when you perform mutah, then know that you condemn all Mutah practitioners to hell:

Wayawma yuAAradu allatheena kafaroo AAala alnnari athhabtum tayyibatikum fee hayatikumu alddunya waistamtaAAtum biha faalyawma tujzawna AAathaba alhooni bima kuntum tastakbiroona fee alardi bighayri alhaqqi wabima kuntum tafsuqoona

46:20 And on the Day that the Unbelievers will be placed before the Fire, (It will be said to them): "Ye received your fulfilment in the life of the world, and ye took your (lustful) pleasure out of them: but today shall ye be recompensed with a Penalty of humiliation: for that ye were arrogant on earth without just cause, and that ye (ever) transgressed."

any contextual consideration of the verse will reveal that istammatum can only be used in terms of Fulfilling a marriage agreement.

It is Ironic the same verse that stated Provided you seek with the bounties (you have) . But not in Lust, Ensuring chastity, but all mutah marriage are definitely based on lust, funny when desperation pushes one to overlook the context of a verse and imposes meaning that do not occur. It is more funny is that he is claiming that the verse will read "if they perform mutah" give them their dowries, yet all mutah marriage dowries are actually paid before any form of fornication is committed, we again laugh when we read that this same individuals now directly replace the word with mutah instead of leaving the verse in its original Arabic.[/size]

your ignorance is shocking!

the funnier part is you take time to explain it 

do you know the meaning of the word "mut'ah"?

depending on the context the word is applied,can determine whether the "mut'ah" done is permitted or forbidden.

for example,there is also "mut'ah hajj".will performing mut'ah hajj lead to hell also?

"mut'ah" means "to benefit" or "to gain" from something.

the verse which talks about gaining the fulfillment of this world which leads to hell refers to those who forget their hereafter and religion and pursur haram or forbidden acts in fulfilment of their desires.this can rightly describe the Sunni bid'ah of MISYAR MARRIAGE which is not authorised by Allah or His Prophet (sa).but when talking about mut'ah marriage or mut'ah hajj,these are practices which Allah Himself has permitted for the believers and where practiced in the presence of the Prophet (sa) himself.i do not think Allah would permit muslims to perform an act or permit His Prophet (sa) to authorised an act that can take people into hell.

it is just like the word "shia"."shia" means "party" or "followers".the word can be used to refer to the followers of Imam Ali (as) as I am Shia.it can also be used to refer to the followers of Noah as we see in the Quran.it can also be used negatively when refering to the "followers of Iblis".so it all depends on the context.

my advice to you:when debating with a Shia do not assume him for a semi-literate person and do not underestimate him.try to learn arabic yourself before thinking you can teach others.i can read the Quran and explain it in pure arabic.so dont gamble with your words!!!