₦airaland Forum

The french are responding to the burka ,the niqab by restricting freedom and I think that's  not  going to work we have to be cautious not
to translate every sensitive issue into a legal issue on other hand we can do the job as Muslims by saying the burka and niqab are not Islamic
prescriptions

@ emeka you rather have an NGO in southern Nigeria first (Edo  Delta and Cross river  states ) for your christian sisters "Charity begins at home "
According to the BBC there are roughly twenty thousand Nigerians love-peddlers   in Italy mainly in the outskirts of Milan from those states
For ayan hirshi Ali I don't think any Muslim in his right mind will give to her NGO a  woman who left her faith and expects million of Muslims will so suddenly abandon the faith of their Fathers and Mothers just like her she  is simply not realistic and dumb

Lol "L train girl" what your problem with the french accent ?

@ abul banat (the father of the girls) 
From your name I assume you might be an Arab trader in Nigeria bro you seem not immersed enough in the salafi movement I suggest you do your homework first and talk later

Ameen Ya Rab Al Alemine

As far as Ibn teymiyyah Ulema Ahl sunna do not consider ibn teymiyyah as an authentic sunni scholar he is a bit of controversial figure in Islam and has found mostly extreme veneration amongsts "salafis" aka wahabis
Ibn teymiyyah was condemned by most his contemporaries scholars  Imam Ibn Hajar Alasqalani ,Abu Hamed Alghazali ,Ibn Battouta
Ibn teymiyyah has suggested that Allah was corporeal entity in writings such" Alaqida Alhamawiya"here he indicates that Allah" Hand"(Yed)
"Foot" (Qadam) "Face" (Wajh) and elevation (Ulluw) are literal(haqiqi) Attributes and that He is upon the Throne in Person a statement that his student Al  Dhahabi  has condemned as innovated in the religion he was also   disrespectful to the sahabas Ali and Uthman he was refuted by reputable scholars in his  time such as Imam Subki and Ibn Hajar and many others
His famous "Mardin fatwa " is a classical text for militants extremists who say it allows Muslims to declare others Muslim infidels and wage war on them
Most his legal views violated the scholars consensus (Ijma) of sunni Muslims and their standards of faith( Aqidah)

He differed with other Ulemas and Imams  about the permissibility of"tawassul  (supplication) to the Prophet"PUH and the travelling to visit his grave  All Jurists whether Maliki Shafii Hanbali or Hanafi are unanimous about the permissibility  of this way of supplication whether  it was in life time of the Prophet or after his passing
The Abasside caliph Almansur once asked Malik Ibn Anass (The Imam of the Medina(City) of the Prophet PUH and founder of the Maliki school of Jurisprudence which we follow mainly in North and West Africa Emirates Kuwait and some others countries) whether he should turn towards the shrine of the Prophet PUH or face the Kiblah for supplication ? Imam Malik answered him "Why you want to turn away from the Prophet PUH when He is the Wassilah (means) for you and your father Adam towards Allah on the day of the resurrection Imam Malik added "turn to Him (The Prophet PUH and seek his intercession (shafaa)

Also his follower Ibn Abdul wahab became more extreme and with his followers destroyed many graves of the companions of the Prophet PUH and extended the meaning of Bidaa(innovation) in manner that was not heard of before( Tariq Almadhahib Al islamiya P :199)
Ibn teymiyyah was a misled person he is without doubt one of the think tank forefathers of the wahabia aka salafis doctrine

@Jarusl Likewise and I can care less of what you think of me but I will reiterate my opinion again and again about those ''salafis'' whom inspired generations of Muslims to divide their Umma and to deviate them  from the right path of moderation to the one of terrorism and killing both Taliban and Al qaeda found their ideology in this school of thought derived from the Hanbali'' Madhab '' and lead by Ibn Abdul Wahab Ibn Teymiyyah Ibn alqayyim and Ibn baz

Hajj is obligatory once for  life time for every Muslim man and woman who is financially capable to afford it Allah Almighty says "Pilgrimage is a  duty people owe it to Allah those who can afford the journey ",  Aal Imran 3:97
Acceptable Hajj (Haj Mabrur) brings about great rewards and blessings from  Allah Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet PUH said "The performance of Umrah is an expiation for the sins commited (between it and the previous one )and the reward of accepted Hajj (Mabrur) is nothing but paradise"
AL Bukhari and Muslim
Hajj moreover  expiate all sins Abu Hurayrah reported the Prophet PUH said " Whoever performs Hajj for Allah ' s pleasure and does not have sexual relations with his wife and does not do evil or sins then he will return (after Hajj) free from all sins as if he were born a new " Al Bukhari and Muslim
Regarding your question If you were able to come up with the  provisions for  Hajj  while paying off your debt in its   time and if you were a  man  have   also enough funds to pay  for the expenses of those who are dependent on you while away  such as wife children and parents who can not support themselves    so  its obligatory upon you to perform Hajj due to the generality of Allah 's Statement in the previous verse
But if you were not able to come up with the provisions for Hajj while paying  off your debt  your are not obligated to perform the Hajj this due to this verse and what has come up with the same meanings from the hadiths
Wa Allahu Aalam wa Hua Almustaan

The difference between Ghazwah and Ghazawat is:
Ghazwah is singular and Ghazawat is  plural
Scholars differed on the exact numbers of battles the Messenger PUH fought In Muslim Jabir states :The Messenger of Allah fought in twenty ones battles Zaid mentions nineteen while Ibn Ishaq mentions twenty seven

I still reiterate the fact that you can't speak or understand Arabic
This would be my last reply to you I have no time for lunatic like you
ANTA JAHIL WA HIMAR WA SHUKRANE YA KIRD

Those pastors are disgrace if they are not molesting the kids or sleeping with their ushers and females of their congregations they are pimping and stealing the Poors   they are more into fancy cars and suits than preaching the "gospel " I wonder who ' s in his right mind will waste his time listening to their diatribe and crap I no wonder why more church goers are women and kids

May Al Mighty God guide you to the right path only God alone deserves to be worshiped He begets not nor is He begotten
He has no spouse children partners or equals Think about it

You can't speak Arabic stop copying stuff you don't understand
neither you or  your cohort can defeat me in any thread unless in your dream
May Almighty God  protect me from following  your Yesua Allahumma Amen

Anta himar la tefhem chey en wa kazzab

un poltron comme toi ne parle pas  l Arabe je doute que tu sois polyglott rends moi un service va te faire pendre ailleurs

@ muhandis
Ikhrass ya munafiq ya aduwa Al haq massiruka ila aljahim daimen abeden

spaghetti aux champignons

Islamically is wrong to marry a woman against her will or already engaged Narrated by Abdullah Ibn Abass
"A virgin came to the Prophet Mohamed Peace Upon Him and mentioned that  her father married her against her will So The Prophet Peace Upon Him allowed her to exercise her choice    Reference  :   (   Sunan Abu Dawud  Kitab Al Nikah (Marriage ) Book 11 Number 2091)

How you expect them to wash their hands when they  don't even wash their privates every time they use the restroom
     It is disgusting when you think the urine still dripping in their pants while  they washing their hands thanks God for my Religion

@Iffy I never said that the the monogamy is the only practice allowed in Islam Both Polygamy and Monogamy are allowed according to Koran and Sunna no one can say otherwise
Despite that said I still stand by  the view that  Monogamy is not compulsory or  as bad as some African Muslims Polygams want us to believe and it is not the only Sunnah  since the Prophet PUH had been in monogamous Marriage First with Khadija Bint Khuweilid for 24 years until her death

@ lagosboy
My dear bro I didn't choose to drag this argument here my presence on this forum was never to pick up a fight  to make you feel insecure or  to upstage you but since you start the argument and you were wrong in every steps I taught you would have the decency to man up and accept your mistakes I sense in your posts some attitude    arrogance rigidity in the  views  to you   it was only your way or the highway
Your modest knowledge of  Islam  your incoherence  your partial grasping of the core  of the  issues make me think  you need to further your knowledge and vet your sources at first hand  before you rely on the internet and translations your attitude and ego  would only confuse and mislead our brothers and sisters in this forum who are new to Islam    or those who are still Christians but choose to engage  us
My bro I never argued polygamy from an apologitic  stance but I wouldn't also deny the fact that some  Muslims  men make their wives believe that it is compulsory on other hand they still lack to offer them shelter   food and  maintenance required to keep them as wives
those men whatever they are wolof ,Serer from Senegal Sorai, Bambara from Mali  Sarakole ,Mandingo from Gambia Malinke , Fulani from Guinea Hausa ,Kanuri , Yoruba from Nigeria or Temne from sierra leone most of them  have fail to implement  the view of sharia in that regard
Regarding your polygamous background you still didn't prove me wrong I never said your family  or parents  were polygamous that why I choose "polygamous Background"  assuming you were Yoruba and as far as I know  Yoruba   were  Polygamous
Brother for the record If you read my posts on this forum I always try  to bring the direct  evidence from the Koran and the Sunnah I never  rely on what people say in Public I came from an erudite background I memorized  the Koran at age 10 I learned the deen from some reputable scholars
Sir saying that my statement was disrespectful to the Khalifs of the Prophet wasn't true how dare can I ? when I know those 10 Noble Men whom Allah   had granted  the Paradise already in advance  Abu bakr , Omar. ousmane ,Ali, Talha. Zubeyr , Saad ,Said ,Abdurrahmane Ibn Auwf and Ubaydata Ibn Aljarrah
Sir you mixing up think when you think that the aim of the verse of Polygamy was only intended to marry several women without taking in consideration that it was also intended to limit the number of wives ones can marry
Sir you mixing up thing again when you were categorical that the prenuptial agreement can't deal with assets because in your mind it is intended only  to split the assets in case of divorce which is I agree goes against the teaching of Islam but you forgot that it could deal with the assets if the agreement doesn't contradict the Koran like offering the wife some money or assets as compensation in case of divorce
in this matter I asked you specific questions in my  previous post and you still dodge them all
Sir you mixing up thing again when I told you that neither Abu bakr Omar or Ali   or the four daughters of the Prophets have been in polygamous Marriage  Did I say those Sahabas   never had several wives before ? Did because they had several wives before make them  polygams ?  Did because I had two marriages before one  with my  ex wife Paula and the second with  my current wife  zainab did that make me Polygam  ? of course not ? why ? because I divorced the first before I married the second 
Sir the sad thing that your statement about those Noble Men wasn't true I thought you know it all
Yes you were right when you stated that  Abu bakr had three wives and since your answer was incomplete let me  give you their names
1- Qutaylah Bint Abd Aluzza
2-Um Ruman Bint Amir Ibn Dahane (Mother of Sayyida Aisha wife of the Prophet PUH )
3-Asma Bint Umeys
You stated that Omar had seven wives which wasn't true actually He married Nine let me give you and the readers their Names just in case :
1-Zainab Bint Mazhun
2-Um kulthum Bint Jarwila
3-Quraybah Bint Abu U mayyah
4-Um Hakim Bint Alharith
5-Jamilah Bint Ashim
6-Atikah
7-UM Kulthum Bint Ali (daughter of Ali Ibn Abu Talib
8 -Luhyah a woman from Yemen mother of Abdul Rahman Ibn Omar
9-Fukayhah daughter Zinab Bint Umar
You stated that Ali had four wives actually He had only two
1-Fatimah Zahra
2-Fatimah Bint Hizam
I will be glad if you come up with the names of the  two you claimed
or to prove that those Marriages were Polygamous
Sir once again who are you to tell people what to put in their pre nuptial agreements and who are you to call it trivial
last time I checked your were lagos boy not a Scholar or Mufti

Last and not least I hope chakula  had waited before he jumps on the bandwagon

@ hymen
I will get back to you when you sober up

@ IFFy
Whatever agreement between you and your husband before entering the fold of Islam is not acceptable Islamically
I suggest to go to the Mosque and get married again according to Islamic rules
To your second question if your husband defects after the agreement and take second wife you can't just go and marry someone else right away
you have to follow the procedure :
-Take the agreement with you and your 2 witnesses to the QADI (Islamic judge ) and he should be able to approve the divorce instantly if every thing in order after approval you have to wait 3 months period b4 you be able to marry someone else
your husband and the second wife if they are married according to the rules of Muslim marriage their relation is not considered as adultery
Yes the contract of Marriage to be acceptable need
1- 2 witness
2- wakil ( guardian or representative that the woman choose )
3- Mahr (dowry)
4- couple consent to marry
5- AQD

@ Lagos boy
I found it surprising to hear you saying the pre  nuptial agreement can't deals with the Assets   in case of divorce or death
how about if the husband wants to include  in the pre nupital or will giving his wife extra cash house or car after death or divorce  ?

are you telling me is not possible ? or he is not entitled to do it ? are you alluding because the Koran already spoke of inheritance in case of the husband's  death the husband has no right to specify an extra  specific gift or amount of cash to his wife a part from her inheritance share ?
Brother you get it wrong and what you said has  no base in the Koran nor the Hadith and it is not in tune with mainstream views and Islamic teachings To answer you second point I am not confusing two things maybe you the one who are not comprehending what I said and it is Ok
I never said and won't say  that the polygamy is haram what I said was crystal clear that the verse of the polygamy has two components one legalizing the polygamy and the other one stressing the preference of having one
So here you should know that the pre nuptial is permissible and to you I say no one can make haram what is halal I will be glad to accept from you any verse or hadith that say otherwise on other hand the Muslim scholars have basic rule saying the essence of everything is to be  halal unless there are verses or Hadiths to say otherwise
Regarding the Polygamy I can understand if someone from a polygamous background can take the issue personal but not to extent of  mischaracterization from what I understand from you the aim of the verse in your view is  only  for men to marry two three or four
The verse of polygamy came in time where the Arabs can take as many wives as they want some of the companions of the Prophet PUH had up to
twenty wives so the aim of the verse  mostly was to outlaw this practice and to put a limitation to the numbers of wives one can marry
The companions of the Prophets PUH and his KHALIFS    Abu bakr Omar Ousmane and Ali never rush to get more wives and  by the way none of them were in  polygamous marriage neither the daughters of the Prophets Zainab, Rakiyyah, UM Kelthum or Fatima Zahra 
The verse 3 of surat Al Nisa gives permission of polygamy to man but it restricts the maximum numbers of wives at four the permission is also subject to the provisio that the husband must do justice with all wives "ADL"or Justice used in this verse has not been defined however all commentators of the Koran unanimously hold that justice in this verse means equal treatment i n food clothing and lodgement but some consider that in addition to food clothing and lodging there must be equal treatment allotted for love and affection also
The Koran in its verse 129 surah Al Nisaa holds that you can't deal equally with all your wives however much you wish from this veridict of the Koran
( which is in fact true statement of human nature ) and the linking of the permission with the condition of justice some scholars believe that monogamy is the rule in Islam while polygamy is the exception

@zayhal
I beg to differ with you most scholars agree that the Prenup agreement between the bride and groom is permissible no scholar ever issued a "fatwa" against it include the ones from the Hanbali school of thought known to be the most rigid and fundamentalist
According to most scholars Prenuptial agreement can  give more strength to the Islamic marriage contract it can also include
That both wife and husband will share responsibility of cooking and others homemaking stuffs
Husband will not excercice his option for a second wife
Children will be raised as Muslims in home and through Islamic education
Children will not be taken to church
Family will not move outside the country without mutual agreement
Upon that agreement both parties must fulfill their agreement Allah said "And those who fulfill their pacts when they make one "Albaqarah 177
In other ayat He said "O who you believe fulfill your contracts " Almaidah 1
The Prophet Pbuh said "Muslims are bound by their stipulations "( ABu dawud and Alhakim )
To you second question asking is there any history to point that a Husband held this prenuptial agreement and upheld it ?
I will say yes and it  was during the time of Omar Ibn Alkhattab Second khalif of the Prophet Mohamed
According to Alkurtubi  A man married a woman upon the condition that he wouldn't move her from his house the time came when he wanted to move her they took their dispute to Seyidna Omar who said to the man "your wife has the right to her stipulations " the man said in this case we will end the Marriage Omar said the rights are broken off due to the stipulations this view maintained by his successors and scholars including Saad Ibn Waqqas Muawiyya Amr Ibn Al as and many others companions
To answer your last question regarding the prenupt for already married woman is it possible ?
I anticipated someone might ask me this question that why if you go back to my previous post you will notice I mentioned that the clause regarding the second wife must be included before the Marriage and not after For a married woman she can't divorce in case her husband take a second wife
because there is no Agreement between them before she enters the Marriage so the only opportunity for her to enter in new Agreement is in case her husband divorce her and after her ''idda'' (3 months  waiting time   period after the divorce )  if she want to  go back to him so in this case she can ask for prenuptial agreement because they have to do a new Marriage with  a new Aqd and dowry

I share  you wonder why  more Muslim Married Womens don't know about this ? Maybe because of their ignorance or maybe because   men are taking advantage of their naivety and  rights like  in the Polygamy we know  the Koran authorize it but still emphasises on the preference of having One wife but   some  still take four  regardless 
I know  some African countries where some women believe  Polygamy is mandatory in I slam just like Praying and Fasting which is not the case
Like I sad before  Islam allows the woman to indicate to her husband  before the Marriage and   not After that she can't  be in  a polygamous Marriage
And if  he agreed   she can refuse him to get a second wife based on that ground and should he  takes one   she can petition for their marriage to be void and  Nulled
Is there any Surat or Hadith to support this ?
Since the Marriage is permissible in Islam and since it is a sacred social contract and agreement between Bride and Groom  and  expressed in The Koran as  ( "Mithaqun Ghalithun"   Strong Covenant    Koran 4:21
Since respecting the promise and Agreement whatever in Peace war Marriage or Business is required in Islam   and since   the Prophet PUH  has indicated   was  "Half of the Religion " it can't make an exception. In that regard Allah said "And not approach the property of an orphan except in the way that is best until he reaches maturity and FULFILL EVERY COMMITMENT INDEED THE COMMITMENT IS EVER QUESTIONED  Koran 6:152  Also the Hadith of the Prophet PUH stressed same view ''The First and worthiest condition of Marriage to be fulfilled by the Husband is to keep his promise or promises he made to his wife at the time he married her "((Bukhari)
You asked  what if the Groom dies who is gonna pay the remaining dowry ?
If the Groom died the Mahr (dowry) must be paid up immediately to the widow before his inheritance or others financial  settlements are considered
the dowry is her property and not his if he he died broke his family has the obligation  to come up with the remaining part
Once again I reiterate to you that   the husband  has the financial responsibility of his wife even if she is rich this duty is known   by every Muslim man and can't be a subject of disagreement or doubt  for the simple reason that it is  mentioned in the Koran "And they (women)have rights over their husbands as living expenses .)similar to those of their husbands over them as regard obedience
and respect  to what is reasonable but men have degree of responsibility over them and Allah is ALL MIGHTY ALL WISE "Koran 2:228
So yes Madam I am sure of this and so should be every Married  Muslim man so I believe in it  and  practice it
In Islam not taking care of all the wife expenses could be a ground for her to divorce her husband  same as in  mental cruelty, adultery ,desertion Incurable insanity long term imprisonment physical abuse and abandonment of Islam
Last assuming the husband is unemployed or broke so what happens ?
There is no difference whatever the husband is broke or unemployed the wife is not responsible of any financial duties towards the house (husband and children )because Islam didn't task her for such duties Yet Islam said it is recommendable for women to take part in the expenses out of ethical values and for the sake of social integration within  the framework of the family unit so it her call and choice not her  duty or obligation

I am amaze how they look confident   Thanks for representing the best of Naija babes 

@Illusion You welcome Bro
Going against the Fitrah and the Sunnah of the Prophet is a disobedience  to The Messenger
"He who obeys The Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah  "Koran AN Nessa 4:80

However there is no consensus between Muslim scholars that keeping Pubic hairs unshaved is haram

"And among his signs is  that he created for you mates from among yourselves that you may dwell in tranquility with them and he has put love and mercy between you (hearts) verily in that are signs for those who reflect "Koran 30:21
In principle prenuptial agreements are accepted in Islam both spouses are allowed to have prenuptial agreements once is done it becomes binding upon them the violation of an agreement is forbidden in Islam however the terms of the agreement should not be against the teaching of Islam
A great deal of heartache can be avoided by women in her marriage if she is as the  bride to be agrees to and signs a carefully considered prenuptial agreements
I think the prenuptial should focus mainly on those points which have bearing on protecting women rights
1-Polygamy :if a woman  doesn't feel  she can allow her husband to marry more than one woman at the same time  then Islam allows her the right to refuse him permission to do this at the outset of their marriage however she must indicate this preference in the prenup Agreement or she will forfeit this right under Islamic law
2-Ma hr (dowry)
Ma hr is a gift from the groom to the bride of either fixed financial amount or Property and usually given immediately at the time of the marriage
however the woman can ask some of it may be deferred until later time where it will  be payable to the wife either upon the death or divorce of her husband
3-Financial  Independence
According to Muslim family Law the responsibility of the wife maintenance (Nafaqa)always remain with the husband the wife has no corresponding obligation to support her husband in Islam the woman property is hers alone Period and it is not subject to division or sharing with the husband in the event of marriage break down this clause should be included in the Agreement especially if the couple live in the west where some law require the couple to split their assets in case of divorce
The Koran lays down rules set out in the Koran that are essentially simple if applied and above all it enjoins people to write a will for the equitable disposition of their assets after their death however the Person is restricted to willing a maximum of one third of his estate and mainly to others than his legal heirs
The inheritance laws in the Koran are to be found mainly in chapter 2 of Albaqara and chapter 4 An Nessaa a total of 14 verses there are several verses that relate indirectly  to  inheritance such verse 106 through 108 in chapter 5 in Almaa idah which dictate that the  will be witnessed  by two witnesses other verses deal with the administration of property of infants

I don't know what you meant by politics but shaving pubic hairs is one of the parts of the Fitrah(natural disposition)according to Islam

The Fitrah consists of five things "circumcision , trimming the mustache, cutting the nails ,Plucking the armpit ,and shaving the pubic hairs"
Maybe   you have a pubic  hairs  fetish     who knows  ?

@moderator why you keep deleting my post for no reason ?