Kobojunkie:

I get that but what laws do you think can solve all that?

Remember this issue comes down to VALUES at the end of the day, and the law does not regulate VALUES.

naijababe:

Exactly![size=13pt] but the systemic corruption of our laws is the sole reason why our value system is so terrible[/size]. We do not need to create new laws, just enforce the ones we have.

Kobojunkie:

I don't think I agree with that.

There is no guarantee that if we even get to a point where laws are effectively implemented, that Nigerians will become generous givers.

naijababe:

I think if you you are able to curtail oppression, true empathy will develop which could potentially lead to people giving more but let's agree to disagree

Kobojunkie:

How do you curtail this oppression you speak of?

Give me an example of how the law can do this please? I assume by oppression, you are referring to people who look out for ways to get more and more for self, or am I wrong? For instance, we have the case presented earlier where someone handed a jacket over to a shop boy, only for the boy to vamoose with the jacket. .

Johndoe100:

You see Kobo that is the thing. If you were here, you would realize that in today's Nigeria Christian giving means almost exclusively giving to the church. That the members are dying like flies only means that their faith is not strong enough or as they said in a church I was invited to; they did not give enough to the church.

lagerwhenindoubt:

Unfortunately it is TRUE.. we have come to the point (especially in LAGOS) where the average man on the street wants to take advantage of you (JJC, MUGU, Dull-man) for helping or assisting them. A good friend ended up being robbed by a real policeman and a street-worker (love-peddler). he gave her a lift because it was getting pretty late 8:20 PM and it was starting to drizzle at Race Course. she was heading to Stadium and when he dropped her off, she started askign for money and was screaming and raining abuses on the hapless chap. soon a Policeman arrived and arrested him for soliciting the services of a love-peddler. he ended up paying both her and the policeman to avoid disgrace as the Policeman wanted to know where he lived after they impound the car.

It is hard but when I see people stranded on the road, i just hit the pedal. FAST

naijababe:

Your assumption is right. Now would you agree with me that if the offender knew that there's truly a chance of getting caught and apprehended he would not think twice about pulling a fast one on a good samaritan? And could this not potentially stop the samaritan from second guessing herself the next time she finds herself in a position to help another ?

Kobojunkie:

But not all forms of this oppression is illegal. For instance, it is not illegal to accept help from others, even if all you are doing is accepting it to enrich yourself.

acidtalk: @uju, thanks a billion didn't see your post before commenting earlier but on the vices of people let me state my own two personal experiences from what you stated above.

* while in the university, I helped a female classmate who was below poverty level to get a job in one of my BEST clients firm and someone who is a societal lady and extremely popular till date in lagos. long story short, she went there to misbehave and that cost me one of my best clients ever as a young student/business owner then. This was a lady I pleaded for never to misbehave because that woman wasn't just an extremely wealthy and famous client but also someone who pays me 50times what I charge other clients without negotiating . As a student in the university, that woman was one of the people that made me never to ask for a dime from my family while in school, but also made me the envy of my mates in school (I was living large). The worst thing is not only did the lady never call me (she was only flashing) to complain about my client but never told me a simple "Thank you"

* Also my lawyer had his 3 phones stolen because he helped 2 ladies and a guy who were being soaked under the rain.

All these has never stopped me helping people because I always get repaid by God almost immediately by favours I render to others.

When I help people financially, to get jobs, and the rest, I always try never to expect them to appreciate it because ven Dogs, cats and chickens appreciate favours more than man. Man is full of ingratitude.

But one thing, if you look forward to the mercy and favour from God, then helping others is just inevitable. Afterall only someone helps someone to be someone in life (Through God)..

lagerwhenindoubt:

Unfortunately it is TRUE.. we have come to the point (especially in LAGOS) where the average man on the street wants to take advantage of you (JJC, MUGU, Dull-man) for helping or assisting them. A good friend ended up being robbed by a real policeman and a street-worker (love-peddler). he gave her a lift because it was getting pretty late 8:20 PM and it was starting to drizzle at Race Course. she was heading to Stadium and when he dropped her off, she started askign for money and was screaming and raining abuses on the hapless chap. soon a Policeman arrived and arrested him for soliciting the services of a love-peddler. he ended up paying both her and the policeman to avoid disgrace as the Policeman wanted to know where he lived after they impound the car. shocked

It is hard but when I see people stranded on the road, i just hit the pedal. FAST

lola.luv:
I remember the time I went to buy airtime outside the hostel and saw the airtime salesboy shivering in the Northern harmattan cold.
I went back to the hostel to get my brother's expensive leather jacket that was with me and I lent it to him. I didn't know his name, we weren't friends, but I did it out of human pity for a guy out in the cold in a threadbare shirt. He was supposed to return it before closing. The guy ran off with the jacket and as it turns out, it was his last day at the place.
Though it wasn't financial help but that was what I had to give and I did it whole-heartedly. I have been stabbed a few times for my good deeds. Would you blame me for now being more sceptical?

Now I still help, but I know it's not the way it used to be! But I pray to go back to the original me! Cos it's good to give!

naijababe:

Not all but most are! Dayokanu's example is nothing short of advance fee fraud, despite not gaining anything for himself! This singular act will no doubt reduce his empathy, which means other people who truly need his help will not get it.

And the swindler did it because he knew he'd get away with it.

dayokanu:

Thing is its very hard to help ppl. The guy I have never seen him before, I just decided to help him and he turned into a fraud.

I would call him and he would come up with the most ridiculous stories. that he knows its the handiwork of enemies who were envious of the strides he was making in the business.

One day he called and told me his "Oluso" pastor wants to talk to me so that the pastor can confirm to me it was indeed a spiritual issue, When the Pastor got on the phone I just said, "Sir, Pastor, I am a Christian and I dont want to insult any man of God. Can you return the phone to Bosun"

On December 31 last year, He called again and said as he was doing prayers the spirit said there was someone he has wronged and unless the person forgives him he would never make it. "Mo mo wipe Oloore mi ni yin, Ise Esu ni gbogbo eleyi" Meaning I knew you did good to me, But it was the devils work

I just told him to only call me when my money is ready

dayokanu:


One day he called and told me his "Oluso" pastor wants to talk to me so that the pastor can confirm to me it was indeed a spiritual issue, When the Pastor got on the phone I just said, "Sir, Pastor, I am a Christian and I dont want to insult any man of God. Can you return the phone to Bosun"

On December 31 last year, He called again and said as he was doing prayers the spirit said there was someone he has wronged and unless the person forgives him he would never make it. "Mo mo wipe Oloore mi ni yin, Ise Esu ni gbogbo eleyi" Meaning I knew you did good to me, But it was the devils work

I just told him to only call me when my money is ready

dayokanu:

Thing is its very hard to help ppl. The guy I have never seen him before, I just decided to help him and he turned into a fraud.

I would call him and he would come up with the most ridiculous stories. that he knows its the handiwork of enemies who were envious of the strides he was making in the business.

One day he called and told me his "Oluso" pastor wants to talk to me so that the pastor can confirm to me it was indeed a spiritual issue, When the Pastor got on the phone I just said, "Sir, Pastor, I am a Christian and I dont want to insult any man of God. Can you return the phone to Bosun"

On December 31 last year, He called again and said as he was doing prayers the spirit said there was someone he has wronged and unless the person forgives him he would never make it. "Mo mo wipe Oloore mi ni yin, Ise Esu ni gbogbo eleyi" Meaning I knew you did good to me, But it was the devils work

I just told him to only call me when my money is ready

naijababe:

Not all but most are! Dayokanu's example is nothing short of advance fee fraud, despite not gaining anything for himself! This singular act will no doubt reduce his empathy, which means other people who truly need his help will not get it.

And the swindler did it because he knew he'd get away with it because as far as he's concerned, DK is a mugu and he must chop his $

Kobojunkie:

But not a lot of laws to really nail the guy in this case.

naijababe:

Advance fee fraud is still illegal, and Dayo affirmed that he was going to report to the police but for his parents who stopped him.

naijababe:

Advance fee fraud is still illegal, and Dayo affirmed that he was going to report to the police but for his parents who stopped him.

dayokanu:

I was going to report but my dad just said i should bone also because the Police would probably collect money from me before they go after him, They would pick Bosun collect money from him and the case would die a natural death

I would end up losing more money and Bosuns family would be going to my parents house everyday that they should release him.

And should anything happen to Bosun in police custody, I would partly be held responsible

mavinc4u:

please go back to your original person,it is good to give.there is blessing favour and joy that follows giving so don't give up.

math-diva:
If you want to help someone financially, please do so but have it at the back of your mind that most times people will try to rip you off even as you help you. Once you get this clear, you can always protect yourself from their antics eg like securing your possessions when you give lifts, lol

acidtalk: Personally, I will speak for myself.
I learned something from experience and noticed the successful people also make use of, and that's " the power of giving".

I try never for be miserly/stingy and also never extragavant /wasteful. No one comes with a problem and leaving without having at least some of it being solved. Be it financial, moral or emotional.

I have gotten to realize that the more you give the more you get.

The sad part is, people always always and always take you for granted when you give. Also people respect and adore people who make them suffer before rendering any form of assistance to them. They hardly value those who help them without making them go through any form of suffering.

Inshort, blackman likes things the hard way as that's the only way he appreciates it, and as such people only help after putting someone on the burning furnance.

Also don't forget an average black man thinks if he helps you to be successful then who will be there to slave for him and his family.