obadiah777: cuz the lord handed the world to evil people. the purpose of which is to thresh the inhabitants of the earth and tread them in the winepress and hence refine them and purify them and then in their affliction they will run back to him for protection. thats the whole plan in a nutshell. there is no such thing as a kind hearted person. scripture says the heart is evil and wicked who can know it. they may be kind hearted to you because they know you but be evil to other people. like how a woman will love her own kids but torture the houseboy and the step kids.

job 9 vs 24[b] The earth is given into the hand of the wicked:[/b]

Hmm, I see thank you

Since the world has no kind people right Obadiah, then what is the whole point of existence

Fulaman198: Since the world has no kind people right Obadiah, then what is the whole point of existence

its all a load of depressing bs spread by christians.

by the Gods, even a newborn child is considered a sinner and needs baptism. what a SH!T IRRELIGION THIS IS!

Fulaman198: Since the world has no kind people right Obadiah, then what is the whole point of existence

Well there is a huge point to existence. This life as it is, is a rehearsal for the real life that is to come. positions are been established in this life for the next life. the next life ( or maybe i should say the next rulership on earth which will be a righteous rulership ) is permanent. so basically we are all jostling for positions in the next life and that next life is permanent. if you are godly before christ comes and establish the next life ? you will be one of those in charge of the next life. you will be one of the rulers, you will be extremely wealthy and their will no more be suffereing or wars or any evil. and we will live to be as old as trees which is about 1000 years which is supposed to be the normal lifespan of man till we fell. we will start living as old as methuselah again. however if you are bad in this life ? in the next life you will have a very low position. so basically you say what is the purpose of this life ? its to prepare for the permanent righteous kingdom on earth

obadiah777: THE POINT HERE IS THE LORD IS NOT THAT LOVING LOVING LOVING MAN PREACHED ABOUT IN CHURCH. HE LOVES AND HE HATES. HE DOES GOOD AND HE DOES EVIL. ONLY DIFFERENCE IS YOU GET BACK WHAT YOU PUT OUT. IF YOU DO GOOD HE WILL PROTECT YOU IN THIS SATANIC HEATHEN WORLD. IF YOU DO EVIL HE REPAYS YOUR EVIL WITH EVIL. GALATIANS 6 VS 7-LAW OF KARMA. ITS BIBLICAL. ITS REAL. THE LORD HAS MANY EVIL PEOPLE ROAMING THIS EARTH WHO ARE ON EARTH FOR THE PURPOSE OF VENGEANCE. SOUNDS SCARY RIGHT ? LOL YALL DONT KNOW THE LORD AT ALL. ECCLESIASTICUS 39 VS 28 There are spirits that are created for vengeance, which in their fury lay on sore strokes; in the time of destruction they pour out their force, and appease the wrath of Him that made them.

THE LORD AINT NOTHING TO MESS WITH. EVERYTHING YOU SEE GOING ON ? BOTH GOOD AND EVIL ? HE IN CONTROL. AND THATS JUST THE TRUTH

since when did you xtians copy the Pagan Law of Karma arent you fellows all about defeating and eliminating good??

*eternally confused fellows

Goshen360: @ OP,

What exactly did you need answers from Christian to? All I read was accusing Christians of using some techniques and brainwashing to convert people. What exactly do you need an answer to? I will attend to your question when I wake up, I know you guys will also be sleeping by now. When you guys are awake, we will still be sleeping in this part of the world. Thank you.

PAGAN 9JA:


So, why is it that only christians and muslims convert other people by force, bribe, etc., why dont you find us Pagans doing such things this proves that there must be something wrong in your teachings or else this would not be the case!

also the biggest weapon of christianity & islam is "brainwashing". IT is what adolf hitler used when he tried to egg the germans to kill all those countless jews. your jesus and his disciples would not have directly forced people to convert, because at that time, we Pagans were in Power. but their brainwashing, preaching ultimately did the trick. Indirectly they caused all the pain and suffering. they made sure the blame wouldnt come on them.

and also what is your justification for the crimes i posted?

PAGAN 9JA:


since when did you xtians copy the Pagan Law of Karma??? arent you fellows all about defeating and eliminating good??

*eternally confused fellows

galatians 6 vs 7 Do not err; God is not put to shame, for anything that a man sows he reaps.

Fulaman198: One must really question what "Paganism" is....I don't consider one who believes in a deity or deities a Pagan. You can worship many Gods, or you can worship one God, if you believe in something, I don't consider that "Paganist" Everyone has their own definition of what a Pagan is.

the term "Pagan" has been applied on us by the monotheists and means infidel or illiterate villager. it is an insult to all Tribals around the world. but unfortunately, no other word has been yet invented to denote us. Tribal culture and religion are inseparable. so for now we must continue to go with this word because that is what people identify with us today. when we are back in power, we can think of a name change.

obadiah777: galatians 6 vs 7 Do not err; God is not put to shame, for anything that a man sows he reaps.

ok i realised one think. your bible is a confused load of bs. go correct yourselfs first before trying to preach to the world. if your views were to be accepted by other christians , almost all the churches would have to shut down.

PAGAN 9JA:


ok i realised one think. your bible is a confused load of bs. go correct yourselfs first before trying to preach to the world. if your views were to be accepted by other christians , almost all the churches would have to shut down.

all churches should shut down. they are dens of iniquity. the lord does not dwell in temples built by human hands. the lords temple is the human body which houses the spirit ACTS 17 VS 24

obadiah777: all churches should shut down. they are dens of iniquity. the lord does not dwell in temples built by human hands. the lords temple is the human body which houses the spirit ACTS 17 VS 24

i honestly dont know what to make of this. go tell that to other xtians. for now answer my thread.

PAGAN 9JA:


i honestly dont know what to make of this. go tell that to other xtians. for now answer my thread.

Thats the problem. you are stuck on religion.

obadiah777: Thats the problem. you are stuck on religion.

oh so its that is it ah wait , i forget on which section we are in?

obadiah777: Well there is a huge point to existence. This life as it is, is a rehearsal for the real life that is to come. positions are been established in this life for the next life. the next life ( or maybe i should say the next rulership on earth which will be a righteous rulership ) is permanent. so basically we are all jostling for positions in the next life and that next life is permanent. if you are godly before christ comes and establish the next life ? you will be one of those in charge of the next life. you will be one of the rulers, you will be extremely wealthy and their will no more be suffereing or wars or any evil. and we will live to be as old as trees which is about 1000 years which is supposed to be the normal lifespan of man till we fell. we will start living as old as methuselah again. however if you are bad in this life ? in the next life you will have a very low position. so basically you say what is the purpose of this life ? its to prepare for the permanent righteous kingdom on earth

I do agree with you to some extent, but you said that all humans are bad (which I kind of agree with in some way). So how can we be good, if we are all bad? That means that all of us are condemned for darnnation. This is a world where the wealthy pick on the poor and weak, where the educated pick on the uneducated, where the Rich men and beautiful women control the World. This is a world w/o God. Hence my question, if we are all bad, and no one is kind, what is the point of Human existence?

PAGAN 9JA:


the term "Pagan" has been applied on us by the monotheists and means infidel or illiterate villager. it is an insult to all Tribals around the world. but unfortunately, no other word has been yet invented to denote us. Tribal culture and religion are inseparable. so for now we must continue to go with this word because that is what people identify with us today. when we are back in power, we can think of a name change.

A Fulani brother from Guinea on Facebook was telling me that he knew of a Christian Fulani person, but that person is still a Fulani despite being a Christian, because he practices Pulaagu, and he speaks Fulfulde. The point I am getting at here is, as long as a person is a genuine person and has a heart dedicated to others, I don't care if they worship the Sun God Amen Rah, The Sea God Beto, Allah in Islam (which is just God), God in the Christian faith, etc etc.

All human beings are equal, but we humans find ways to make other human beings feel less equal to us, and this is very wrong. "Oh look, I make more money than you" "Oh look, I have had more beautiful women than you" "Oh look I have a Ph.D. and you are just a pauper living on the streets homeless"

This is the kind of world we live in....Most Human beings do not even see this as wrong

The premise of dear brother PAGAN 9JA is accurate, and nobody can argue.
Christianity has been imposed worldwide with blood and fire ...
Christianity established his kingdom on billions of dead innocents.

Fulaman198:

A Fulani brother from Guinea on Facebook was telling me that he knew of a Christian Fulani person, but that person is still a Fulani despite being a Christian, because he practices Pulaagu, and he speaks Fulfulde. The point I am getting at here is, as long as a person is a genuine person and has a heart dedicated to others, I don't care if they worship the Sun God Amen Rah, The Sea God Beto, Allah in Islam (which is just God), God in the Christian faith, etc etc.

ofcourse he is still Fulani. it is like saying christian Hausa or Maguzawa Hausa.

the point i am trying to make is that we must kick out evil aspects of foreign culture (which includes religion), becuase it is destabilizing our ancient societies. )

Fulaman198: All human beings are equal, but we humans find ways to make other human beings feel less equal to us, and this is very wrong.

unfortunately, as a Pagan. i have to disagree. the world is not created equal. Look around you! there are the strong and the weak, the rich and the poor, etc. it is upto us to fight for our rights.
if all men wer created equal, this world would cease to exist. The forces need to be balanced. There must be the strong and the weak, yet neither can survive without the other..
Take the 'lock & key' for example. The LOCK is obviously stronger than the KEY. yet you cant possibly open a door with 2 locks. NO. you need the lock AND the key to open the door. In the same way, this world is comprized of different contrasts and all need each other to maintain the balance.

Ptolomeus: The premise of dear brother PAGAN 9JA is accurate, and nobody can argue.
Christianity has been imposed worldwide with blood and fire ...
Christianity established his kingdom on billions of dead innocents.

True that. we must return to the original topic!

PAGAN 9JA:


True that. we must return to the original topic!

What original topic ? that we should all go back to worshipping amadioha ?

obadiah777: What original topic ? that we should all go back to worshipping amadioha ?

[b]yes ofcourse [/b]and also as to what justification you have for all those crimes i stated which account for 95% of World christian conversions. even more infact.

CHRISTIAN TERROSITS IN THE NOT+RTH-EASTERN INDIAN STATES OF NAGALAND & MIZORAM:

National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) is a christian nationalist militant organization based in Tripura, India. The Baptist Church of Tripura was initially set up by missionaries from New Zealand in the 1940s. Despite their efforts, even until the 1980s, only a few thousand people in Tripura had converted to Christianity. In the aftermath of one of the worst ethnic riots, the NLFT was born in 1989—allegedly with the help of the Baptist Church. Since then, the NLFT has been advancing its cause through armed rebellion.

Indian Government officials have accused the Baptist Church of Tripura of supporting this violent campaign by providing funding and arms for the group. In April of 2000, Nagmanlal Halam, secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, was caught providing 50 gelatine sticks, 5 kilograms of potassium and 2 kilograms of sulphur and other ingredients for making explosives to the group. Halam later confessed to buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT for the past two years.

In October 2000, the NLFT ordered all Hindus to cease celebration of Durga Puja (Hindu Festival pf the goddess of Destructive Forces).

In another incident in August 2003, police arrested the secretary of a Baptist Christian Missionary church in North Tripura District who was in possession of five kg of potassium, one kg sulphur, few gelatin sticks and 45 gm of high explosive materials [4].

Recent investigations, as well as confessions from surrendered members, have revealed that the NLFT have been making and selling pornography to finance their activities. This includes DVDs of pornographic films made by the group with tribal men and women kidnapped and forced to participate in sex acts while being filmed. The movies are dubbed into various languages and sold illegally throughout the region for a profit. The women have also been sexually abused by NLFT members NLFT produced pornographic films of kidnapped tribal men and women at gunpoint in order to finance its activities (claimed by Left front government and Bengalis). NLFT leaders were also accused of sexually abusing female prisoners.

Cited causes of internal conflicts include the reluctance of Biswamohan Debbarma's Central Executive Committee to nominate Joshua Debbarma as the King of ‘Tripura Kingdom’; misappropriation of funds by senior leaders; lavish lifestyles led by the senior leadership; and forcible conversion of tribal cadres/civilians to Christianity.



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PAGAN 9JA:


ofcourse he is still Fulani. it is like saying christian Hausa or Maguzawa Hausa.

the point i am trying to make is that we must kick out evil aspects of foreign culture (which includes religion), becuase it is destabilizing our ancient societies. )



unfortunately, as a Pagan. i have to disagree. the world is not created equal. Look around you! there are the strong and the weak, the rich and the poor, etc. it is upto us to fight for our rights.
if all men wer created equal, this world would cease to exist. The forces need to be balanced. There must be the strong and the weak, yet neither can survive without the other..
Take the 'lock & key' for example. The LOCK is obviously stronger than the KEY. yet you cant possibly open a door with 2 locks. NO. you need the lock AND the key to open the door. In the same way, this world is comprized of different contrasts and all need each other to maintain the balance.

I agree that human beings make this world unequal, but ideally speaking it should be equal.

Christians have always killed people around the world, on every continent ... in God's name ...
I'm not here to talk about the Inquisition, nor of African slavery overseas ... or vanishing American Indian ... All this in the name of God ...
In World War II, supported the Nazis, the Fascists, to Franco in Spain ... In South America bloody dictatorships supported .... All in the name of Jesus and God ...
Only the insane or mentally ill, can ignore or support acts wild, inhuman and criminals who have committed (and commit) Christians ...

Once again pagan has a valid point.

Xtians used to be the terrorists of the globe the way Al Q, Al Shabaab and B. Haram are now.

This is undeniable fact.

THOSE SO CALLED CHRISTIANS COMMITTING VIOLENCE ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. NOT EVERYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE CHRISTIANS ARE CHRISTIANS. THEY ARE UNDER A DELUSION

2 THESALONIANS 2 VS 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,

ANY RELIGION, ANY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, ARE ALL DELUSIONS. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHRISTIANITY. ITS A DELUSION. SO THOSE DEMONS ARE UNDER A DELUSION.

THERE ARE ONLY 144,000 REAL CHRISTIANS. EVERYONE ELSE IS JOSTLING FOR A PLACE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN THAT WILL BE RULED BY THESE 144,000 REAL CHRISTIANS. THIS JOSTLING WILL RESULT IN THE LATER FRUITS. SO THE NUMBER OF REAL CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD IS TINY. THE REAL CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN HARVESTED OVER 2000 YEARS AGO. ALL THESE CRIMINALS CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIANS ARE UNDER A DELUSION

obadiah777: THOSE SO CALLED CHRISTIANS COMMITTING VIOLENCE ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. NOT EVERYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE CHRISTIANS ARE CHRISTIANS. THEY ARE UNDER A DELUSION

2 THESALONIANS 2 VS 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,

ANY RELIGION, ANY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, ARE ALL DELUSIONS. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHRISTIANITY. ITS A DELUSION. SO THOSE DEMONS ARE UNDER A DELUSION.

THERE ARE ONLY 144,000 REAL CHRISTIANS. EVERYONE ELSE IS JOSTLING FOR A PLACE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN THAT WILL BE RULED BY THESE 144,000 REAL CHRISTIANS. THIS JOSTLING WILL RESULT IN THE LATER FRUITS. SO THE NUMBER OF REAL CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD IS TINY. THE REAL CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN HARVESTED OVER 2000 YEARS AGO. ALL THESE CRIMINALS CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIANS ARE UNDER A DELUSION

are you 1 of those 144,000

PAGAN9JA:


im not hear to read books. if you have an explanation, kindly present it.

lol:-P bt why nt al this information above comes out al dis while u pipu wnt stop spreadin useless things!! Jst imagine u readin ordinary post frm nairaland and u belive wel does wu beliv things easily can be deceive easily u dnt read this in al-jazeera o

PAGAN9JA:
^the above was taken from bible, (Daniel 3:25), a very unreliable account , which goes further to say: While boasting about his achievements, Nebuchadnezzar is humbled by God. The king loses his sanity and lives in the wild like an animal for seven years. After this, his sanity and position are restored and he praises and honors God.

scientifically,
There has been some speculation on what the organic cause of this insanity might have been. Some consider it to be an attack of clinical lycanthropy or alternatively porphyria. Psychologist Henry Gleitman has claimed that Nebuchadnezzar's insanity was a result of general paresis or paralytic dementia seen in advanced cases of syphilis. due to him having many wives/concubines, etc.

so you can see how unreliable it is without a shred of evidence.

You're wasting time trying to explain Nebuchadnezzar travails.

First, the Bible lied about king Nebuchadnezzar.
Nebuchadnezzar was a Babylonian king annoited by and representing his god Nebu or Nebo, hence his royal epithet of Nebuchadnezzar. This Nebula was also son of the God Marduk. In the Bible, Yahweh even acknowledged both gods by vowing to confound them.
My point is that Nebuchadnezzar had no allegiance to Yahweh. In fact, he attached and sacked the temple of Yahweh on the instructionss of his own god Nebu, apparently when Yahweh disappeared, never to be heard from again.
Confounded by the sudden dissapearance of yahweh, the priests and scribes of Israel decided to lie that the destruction of the temple and their captivity in Babylon was the doing of Yahweh, for the sins of the Israelites.

Anyone who reads the bible will recognize that Yahweh was never ever heard after the sack of the temple. It was at this juncture that era of prophets was born. Now , in that era , any crackpot can come claim divine revelation from Yahweh, giving his own warped ideas about what Yahweh wanted people to do or not do , while also making the threats of punishment.

Fulaman198:


A Fulani brother from Guinea on Facebook was telling me that he knew of a Christian Fulani person, but that person is still a Fulani despite being a Christian, because he practices Pulaagu, and he speaks Fulfulde. The point I am getting at here is, as long as a person is a genuine person and has a heart dedicated to others, I don't care if they worship the Sun God Amen Rah, The Sea God Beto, Allah in Islam (which is just God), God in the Christian faith, etc etc.

All human beings are equal, but we humans find ways to make other human beings feel less equal to us, and this is very wrong. "Oh look, I make more money than you" "Oh look, I have had more beautiful women than you" "Oh look I have a Ph.D. and you are just a pauper living on the streets homeless"

This is the kind of world we live in....Most Human beings do not even see this as wrong

wow I have a typical mbororo friend his name is Beto he is named after his great grand dad, the man looked weird as of that time, we were told that the man doesn't drink anything foreign and he strongly believe in his traditional believe. does that mean the man was also named after the sea God? because I have never come across someone with the name Beto.