obadiah777: egypt was not the name of a place. the place called egypt today was actually called MIZRAHIM. however because israelite slaves were their for a long time the name got changed to egypt. egypt means slavery or bondage. so in the bible when it says egypt, it is not referring to the land mass called egypt. it is refering to the places were the israelites were held in bondage. when it says come out of egypt my people it means even though you are in bondage in this place ( america, greek empire, roman empire etc etc ) do not take on the heathen customs of the oppressor. thats what it means when it says 'come out of egypt'

esere826: ^^^^ Interesting

Lets stretch our emphaty little bit further:

-Would a preacher feel comfortable mentioning Egypt as a place of bondage and slavery if he or she is preaching in an Egyptian church filled to the brim with Egyptians?
-Would the congregation also feel comfortable with this?
-Would the preacher always have to explain before mentioning egypy as a metaphor for slavery?
-Or would the preacher simple choose to use another name instead of egypt?

Delafruita:
buzugee,you have started with your hogwash stories

obadiah777: well if you are preaching in the land mass called Egypt to a bunch of Egyptians, who are actually Arabs or Ishmaelites, then you have to be astute and adept. scripture says be as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove. so in your wisdom you change the name to something else.

esere826:

Excellent, now we are talking.

So this brings me to another thougt:

If I am an Egyptian, and anywhere I go within the christian faith and around the world, even on TV, I hear Egypt being referred to as a place of bondage and wickedness etc.Will this not harden my heart against Judaism and christianity?

obadiah777: lol Delafruita this is recorded history. http://www.billcasselman.com/place_names_of_the_world/names_of_egypt.htm MIZRAIM NOT MIZRAHIM. LITTLE ERROR ON MY PATH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizraim

Delafruita:
must you always quote apologetics of your train of thought?

obadiah777: IF YOU ARE WEAK MINDED WITH NO KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY, IT WOULD

PAGAN 9JA:
IF THEY DID SO IN MY AREA, I WOULD TAKE A MOB AND BURN THE RASCALS DOWN

esere826:

OK, as a strong minded person,

Imagine everybody around you both in the News, around the world e.t.c saying stuff like:

"Don't let them "Nigerian" you". And when they say this, they mean don't get defrauded. "How would you feel?"

esere826:

OK, as a strong minded person,

Imagine everybody around you both in the News, around the world e.t.c saying stuff like:

"Don't let them "Nigerian" you". And when they say this, they mean don't get defrauded. "How would you feel (considering thats its only a metaphor)?"

obadiah777: i am actually a hebrew israelite,

warya: slaaaaaaaaaaaave niggggger tryin to be slaaaaaaaaaave,

obadiah777: I would find it amusing and interesting. I think i may even like it. Reason being, just as egypt is not the name of the land mass called egypt today and those people are not really egyptians, they are ishmaelites.....so also i know i am not a nigerian, its just a name bestowed on the country by white colonists. i am actually a hebrew israelite, but thats besides the point. back toyour question, i would find it funny amusing and interesting.

PAGAN 9JA:

esere826:

Right.
it could be funny and amusing alright. It all boils down to personality escape routes.

But remember that while you escaped the psychological tag due to your personality build (of self-claiming another tribe), your loved ones might not be able to escape this tag and its effect

obadiah777: birds of the same feather flock together. my loved ones will have the knowledge i have.

esere826: ^^^

although this inevitably launches us into another kind of thinking, but do you realise that this silo effect could be slightly selfish, self serving

esere826:

You ever read about Frederick Douglas and Marthin Luther King??

esere826: While the US was still neck deep in the Slavery after effects, Frederick a former mixed race slave rose to become an ambassador to Haiti i think. His family was still left in mental bondage. In fact, his kids saw him as white and hated him

obadiah777: Bruh ? the whole world is bigger than your lil feelings. you have to learn to get over trivial issues like this. so what if the nigerian named is associated with scamming or slavery or evil ? what has that got to do with you ? when you die you think you appear to God as a Nigerian ? these are just labels on earth people put on themselves. you gotta MAN UP to survive out here chief. you cant be letting your lil feelings get hurt by trivial issues like this. MAN UP

obadiah777: i just quoted you history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizraim

esere826:

Yup. Point taken

Frederick is not widely known, Martin Luther King on the other hand everyone knows, simply because his goal was to liberate others even at the pain of his own life. Much like Jesus I guess.

So..... "Man down" for others might be more appropriate in this new line of thought

Delafruita:
you call that bullcrap history?you can do better than that.you shouldnt just read one article and think it gives you the whole idea.when i got interested in the conquest of jericho as told by the bible,i studied every archeological dig that was dedicated to that site.some agreed with the bible,some didnt.based on all the information available to me,i agreed with those that agreed with the bible.

when i got interested in the shroud of turin,i researched every available article on it and arrived at my conclusion.

wikipedia is just as credible as nigeria's NTA and shouldnt always be your source

obadiah777: Martin Luther King is a member of the black illuminati called the boule. what he was trying to do was funded by jewish white people. he was not trying to desegregate america for his own reason. he was trying to desegregate america because the 'jews' wanted that black buying power. during segregation the black community was strong. black businesses had to emerge because they couldnt buy from white stores. the jews wanted that black bussiness. desegregation was how they were going to get it. what happened after desegregation ? the once strong black community collapsed. all the money went to the jews. all the black shops got replaced by white owned stores. my point being MLK is celebrated by white people for a reason. there is a reason why they stay away from celebrating Malcolm X

esere826: Thanks guys for this informative post. I enjoyed reading every bit of it.

However, I am worried when sometimes we use the word colonial masters in our description of the europeans that invaded Africa. I think that this is an aberration. Looking through history books of various western cultures, i noticed that they tend to term ppl/nations that went against them derrogatirlly, while extolling the virtues of those that were more closely aligned to their course.

For example, while Martin luther King is extolled for the peacefull way he went about his struggles, Malcolm X is dimminished for his recourse to forceful change. WHereas, in that same USA, the violent rebellion of their fathers against their British overlords is extolled, while the British impositions were derided in the same vein.

I would sugesst that instead of us using the phrase 'colonial masters' which from my little understanding of psychology continues to entrap us, we use phrases like: colonialists, colonial invaders, economic invaders, colonial looters, empire expansionists etc. I hope this soon permeates into our literatures, especially those that our kids would be reading in the future.

As I am not so strong on culture literature like guys such as physicsQED are, and might therefore not be able to argue rigorously on the topic, I am therefore hoping that one of you open a new thread on this naming misnomer . And maybe request that the moderator makes it front page so that it enlightens other Africans and emancipates us from at least some of our mental slavery. Thanks