Unitarian Christians believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of God and the Saviour of men. They believe in the divinity of his mission and in the divinity of his doctrines. They believe that the Gospel which he proclaimed came from God; that the knowledge it imparts, the morality it enjoins, the spirit it breathes, the acceptance it provides, the promises it makes, the prospects it exhibits, the rewards it proposes, the punishments it threatens,all proceed from the Great Jehovah. But they do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Supreme God.

They believe that, though exalted far above all other created intelligences, he is a being distinct from, inferior to, and dependent upon, the Father Almighty. For this belief they urge, among other reasons, the following arguments from Scripture.

1. Because Jesus Christ is represented by the sacred writers to be as distinct a being from God the Father as one man is distinct from another. “It is written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one who bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me” (John 8:17 and 18).

2. Because he not only never said that himself was God, but, on the contrary, spoke of the Father, who sent him, as God, and as the only God. “This is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3). This language our Saviour used in solemn prayer to “his Father and our Father.”

3. Because he is declared, in unnumbered instances, to be the Son of God. “And lo, a voice from heaven, saying, this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” (Matt. 3:17).Can a son be coeval (the same age) and the same with his father?

4. Because he is styled the Christ, or the anointed of God. “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power” (Acts 10:38). Is he who anoints the same with him who is anointed?

5. Because he is represented as a Priest. “Consider the ….High-Priest of our profession,Christ Jesus” (Heb. 3:1). The office of a priest is to minister to God. Christ, then, as apriest, cannot be God.

6. Because Christ is Mediator between the “One God,” and “men.” “For there is one God,and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Tim. 2:5).

7. Because, as the Saviour of men, he was sent by the Father. “And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world” (1 John 4:14).

8. Because he is an Apostle appointed by God. “Consider the Apostle,...Christ Jesus, who was faithful to him that appointed him” (Heb. 3:1 and 2).

9. Because Christ is represented as our intercessor with God. “It is Christ that died, yea,rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us” (Rom. 8:34).

10. Because the head of Christ is God. “I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of every woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God” (1Cor. 11:3).

11. Because, in the same sense in which we are said to belong to Christ, Christ is said to belong to God. “And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s”
(1 Cor.3:23).

12. Because Christ says, “My father is greater than all” (John 10:29). Is not the father, then greater than the son?13. Because he affirms, in another connection, and without the least qualification, “MyFather is greater than I” (John 14:28).

14. Because he virtually denies that he is God, when he exclaims, “Why callest thou me Good? There is none good but one, that is God” (Matt. 19:17).

15. Because our Saviour, after having said, “I and my Father are one,” gives his disciples distinctly to understand that he did not mean one substance, equal in power and glory,but one only in affection and design, as clearly appears from the prayer he offers to his Father in their behalf, --“that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us” (John 17:21).

16. Because the Father is called the God of Christ as he is the God of Christians. Jesus saith unto her, “....Go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my God and your God” (John 20:17).

17. Because an Apostle says of God, in distinction from the “Lord Jesus Christ,” that He is the “only Potentate,” and that He “only hath immortality” (1 Tim. 6:15 and 16).

18. Because it is the express declaration of the same Apostle, that the Father is the one God,and there is none other. “Though there be that are called Gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) yet to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things” (1 Cor. 8:5 and 6).

19. Because the power which Christ possessed was, as him affirmed, given to him. “All power is given unto me” (Matt. 28:18).

20. Because he positively denies himself to be the author of his miraculous works, but refers them to the Father, or the holy spirit of God. “The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works” (John 14:10). “If I cast out devils by the spirit of God” (Matt. 12:28).

21. Because he distinctly states, that these works bear witness, not to his own power, but that the Father had sent him (John 5:36).

22. Because he expressly affirms that the works were done, not in his own name, but in his Father’s name (John 10:25).

23. Because he asserts, that “him hath God the Father sealed,” i.e. to God the Father he was indebted for his credentials (John 6:27).

24. Because he declares that he is not the author of his own doctrine. “My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me” (John 7:16 and 17).

25. Because he represents himself as having been instructed by the Father. “As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things” (John 8:28).

26. Because he refers invariable to the Father as the origin of the authority by which he spoke and acted. “The Father hath given to the Son authority” (John 5:26 and 27).

27. Because he acknowledges his dependence on his heavenly Father for example and direction in all his doings. “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do” (John 5:19). “The Father loveth the Son, and showth him all things that himself doeth” (John 5:20).

28. Because he says, “I seek not mine own glory; but I honor my Father” (John 8:49 and 50).

29. Because he declares, “If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honoreth me” (John 8:54).

30. Because an Apostle declares, that in Christ dwelt all fullness, because it so pleased the Father (Col. 1:19).

31. Because Christ is uniformly represented in the Scriptures, not as the primary, but the intermediate cause of all things relating to our salvation. “One God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him” (1 Cor. 8:6).

32. Because he declares, “I am not come of myself” into the world, “for I proceeded forth and came from God” (John 8:42; 7:28). Jesus knowing… that he “came from God, and went to God” (John 13:3).

33. Because he affirms that he had not the disposal of the highest places in his own kingdom. “To sit on my right and on my left is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father” (Matt. 20:23).

34. Because our Saviour, referring his disciples to a future time, when they would understand more accurately concerning him, expressly declares that then they would know him to be entirely dependent upon the Father. “When ye have lifted up the Son of man (i.e. crucified him), then shall ye know that I am he (i.e. the Messiah), and that I do nothing of myself, but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things" (John 8:28).

35. Because our Saviour always professed to have no will of his own, but to be ever entirely guided and governed by the will of his heavenly Father. “For I came down from heaven,not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me” (John 6:38).

36. Because he expressly denies that he is possessed of Divine attribute of independent existence. “As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father” (John 6:57).

37. Because he expressly disclaims the possession of the Divine attribute of underived existence. “As the Father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself” (John 5:26).

38. Because he positively denies that he is possessed of the Divine attribute of omnipotence.“I can of mine own self do nothing” (John 5:30).

39. Because he expressly disclaims the possession of the Divine attribute of omniscience.“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven,neither the Son, but my Father only” (Matt. 24:36; Mark 13:32).

40. Because Christ is said in the Scriptures to have been “tempted of the devil” (Matt. 4:1).But “God can not be tempted with evil” (James 1:13).

41. Because it is related of our Saviour, that “he continued all night in prayer to God” (Luke6:12). Why should Christ thus pray, if he himself were God?

42. Because, in presence of a numerous company before the resurrection, he gave thanks to the Father for having heard him. “Father, I thank thee that thou has heard me, and I knew that thou hearest me always” (John 11:41 and 42).

43. Because Jesus besought his Father to glorify him. “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thyself with the glory which I had with thee before the world was” (John 17:5). The one who prayed to God to glorify him, cannot be God.

44. Because he implored that, if it were possible, the bitter cup might pass from him, adding,“Nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt” (Matt. 26:39).

45. Because he said, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt. 27:46). Can he who uttered this be the Supreme God?

46. Because he never paid his adoration to himself, the Son, nor to the Holy Ghost, as he should have done, had the Son and the Holy Ghost been God; but always to the Father.

47. Because he never instructed his disciples to worship himself or the Holy Ghost, but the Father, and the Father only. “When ye pray, say Our Father which art in heaven” (Luke11:2). “In that day, ye shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever ye ask of the Father in my name” (John 16:23). “The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him”(John 4:23).

48. Because it was not the practice of the Apostles to pay religious homage to Christ, but to God the Father through Christ. “I thank God through Jesus Christ” (Rom. 7:25). “To God only wise, be glory through Christ” (Rom 16:27). “I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Eph. 3:14).

49. Because St. Peter, immediately after being filled with the Holy Spirit (holy spirit) on the Day of Pentecost, thus addressed the Jews: “Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles, and wonders, and signs which God did by him, in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain; whom God hath raised up” (Acts 2:22-24).

50. Because St. Paul expressly states that, “all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ” (2 Cor. 5:18).

51. Because the same Apostle gives “thanks to God, who giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Cor. 15:57).

52. Because it is said that it is “to the glory of God the Father,” that “every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord” (Phil. 2:11).

53. Because the Scriptures affirm that “Christ glorified not himself to be made a high priest, but He (glorified him) who said unto him, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee” (Heb. 5:5).

54. Because it is expressly asserted that God gave to Christ the Revelation which was made to the author of the Apocalypse (Rev. 1:1).

55. Because an Apostle speaks of Christ, only as the image of God. “Who is the image of the invisible God” (Col. 1:15; 2 Cor. 4:4). It would be absurd to call anyone his own image.

56. Because Christ is stated to be “the first-born of every creature” (Col. 1:15).

57. Because he is said to be “the beginning of the creation of God” (Rev. 3:14).

58. Because the Scriptures affirm, in so many words, that “Jesus was made a little lower than the angels” (Heb. 2:9). Can God become lower than his creatures?

59. Because Peter declares that “Christ received from God the Father honor and glory,when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, this is my beloved son”(2 Peter 1:17).

60. Because it is represented as necessary that the Saviour of mankind should “be made like unto his brethren” (Heb. 2:17).

61. Because, in the Epistle to the Hebrews, Christ is compared with Moses in a manner that would be impious if he were the Supreme God. “For this man (Christ) was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch” (Heb. 3:3).

62. Because he is represented as being the servant, the chosen, the beloved of God, and the recipient of God’s spirit. “Behold, my servant, whom I have chosen, in whom my soul is well pleased; I will put my spirit upon him” (Matt. 12:18).

63. Because he himself expressly declares that it was in consequence of his doing what pleased the Father, that the Father was with him and did not leave him alone. “He that sent me is with me; the Father hath not left me alone, for I do always those things that please him” (John 8:29).

64. Because he is said to have “increased in wisdom, and in favor with God and man” (Luke2:52).

65. Because he speaks of himself as one who had received commands from the Father. “The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment” (John 12:49).

66. Because he is represented as obeying the Father, and as having been “obedient unto death” (Phil. 2:8 ). “Even as the Father said unto me, so I speak” (John 12:50). “I have kept my Father’s commandments” (John 15:10).

67. Because Christ “Learned obedience by the things he suffered,” and through sufferings was made perfect by God (Heb. 5:.

68. Because he is spoken of in the Scriptures as the first born among many brethren (Rom.8:29). Has God brethren?

69. Because Christ calls everyone who obeys God his brother. “Whosoever shall do the will of my Father in heaven, the same is my brother” (Matt. 12:50).

70. Because he offers to the faithful the like distinction and honor that himself has with the Father. “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am sit down with my Father in his throne” (Rev. 3:21).

71. Because God, in the later ages, hath spoken by his Son, and appointed him heir of all things (Heb. 1:2).

72. Because Christ is styled the first-begotten of the dead (Rev. 1:5).

73. Because it is declared that God raised him from the dead. “This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we are all witnesses” (Acts 2:32; Rom. 10:9 and 10).

74. Because God poured out upon the Apostles the Holy Spirit, through Jesus Christ (Titus3:6).

75. Because the reason assigned for the Holy Spirit not having been received earlier, is that Jesus was not then glorified. “The Holy Ghost was not yet given because that Jesus was not yet glorified” (John 7:39).

76. Because it is affirmed that Christ was exalted by God to be a Prince and a Saviour (Acts5:31).

77. Because God made that same Jesus, who was crucified, both Lord and Christ (Acts2:36).

78. Because God gave him a name which is above every name (Phil. 2:9).

79. Because Christ was ordained of God to be the judge of the quick and the dead (Acts10:42).

80. Because God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ (Rom. 2:16).

81. Because all judgment is committed to Christ by the Father (John 5:22).

82. Because our Saviour grounds the importance of his judgment solely upon the circumstances, that it is not exclusively his own judgment which he pronounces, but that of the Father who sent him. “If I judge, my judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me” (John 8:16).

83. Because it is said, that, when he was received up into heaven, he “sat on the right hand of God” (Mark 16:19).

84. Because St. Paul affirms, that Christ, even since his ascension, “liveth unto God,” and “liveth by the power of God” (Rom. 6:10; 2 Cor. 12:4).

85. Because it is affirmed of Christ, that “when all things shall be subdued under him then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all” (1 Cor. 15:28).

86. Because the Apostle John asserts that “no man hath seen God at any time”; which is not true, if Christ were God (John 1:18).

87. Because, in the prophecies of the Old Testament that relate to Christ, he is spoken of as a being distinct from and inferior to God (Deut. 18:15; John 1:45).

88. Because the Jews never expected that any other than a being distinct from and inferior to God was to be their Messiah, and yet there is no evidence that our Saviour ever so much as hinted to them that this expectation was erroneous.

89. Because it does not appear from the Scriptures, that the Jews, except in two instances (See #90), ever opposed our Saviour on the ground that he pretended to be God or equal with God; whereas, had it been his custom to assume such identity or equality, in his conversation with a people so strongly attached to the doctrine of the divine unity, he would have found himself involved in a perpetual controversy with them on this point,some traces of which must have appeared in the New Testament.

90. Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he positively denies the charges. In reply to the charge of assuming to be equal with God, he says immediately,“The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do”; and directly after,“I can of mine own self do nothing” (John 5:19 and 30). In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the Son of God (John 10:34-36).

91. Because, had his immediate disciples believe him to be the Almighty, would they have been so familiar with him, have argued with him, betrayed him, denied him, fled from him, and left him to be dragged to the cross?

92. Because the Apostles, after they had been filled with the Holy Ghost (holy spirit) on the day of Pentecost, did not preach that Christ was God; but preached what was altogether inconsistent with such a doctrine (Acts 2:22; 13:23; 17:3 and 31; 22:8 ).

93. Because there is no evidence to prove that the first converts to Christianity ever incurred the imputation of idolatry from the Jews, as they must have done had they believed and taught that the Son, as well as the Father, is Jehovah; while it is notorious that this imputation has been among the most common of the Jewish reproaches against Christians, since the Trinity became a doctrine of the Church.

94. Because there are in the New Testament seventeen passages, wherein the Father is styled one or only God, while there is not a single passage in which the Son is so styled.

95. Because there are 320 passages in which the Father is absolutely, and by way of eminence, called God; while there is not one in which the Son is thus called.

96. Because there are 105 passages in which the Father is denominated God, with peculiarly high titles and epithets, whereas the Son is not once denominated.

97. Because there are 90 passages wherein it is declared that all prayers and praises ought to be offered to Him, and that everything ought to be ultimately directed to his honor and glory; while of the Son no such declaration is ever made.

98. Because of 1,300 passages in the New Testament wherein the word God is mentioned, not one necessarily implies the existence of more than one person in the Godhead, or that this one is any other than the Father.

99. Because the passages wherein the Son is declared, positively, or by clearest implication, to be subordinate to the Father, deriving his being from Him, receiving from Him his divine power, and acting in all things wholly according to His will, are in number above 300.

100. Because, in a word, the supremacy of the Father, and the inferiority of the Son, is the simple, unembarrassed, and current doctrine of the Bible; whereas, that of their equality or identity is clothed in mystery, encumbered with difficulties, and dependent, at the best, upon few passages for support.

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no be only 100, you suppose look for like 1000 to feel more safe in false doctrine.

Image123:
no be only 100, you suppose look for like 1000 to feel more safe in false doctrine.

Considering that we have 100 verses to support our unitarian position while the polytheists Trinitairians have only about 7 , I say wonders will never end

frosbel:

Considering that we have 100 verses to support our unitarian position while the polytheists Trinitairians have only about 7 , I say wonders will never end

for your mind. Most of your verses are saying what eveybody knows and agrees to, e.g that God the Son is a person, God the Father is another person.

Perfect write up...

One has to be on cocaine to think Jesus is Yahweh or that Jesus is equal to Yahweh...

frosbel dey vex nowadays

@frosbel
Abeg help me tell them ooo! The truth is so simple and glaringly obvious yet some people would rather create complications were there is none and call it a 'mystery.

And without controversy great
is the mystery of godliness: God
was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of
angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the
world, received up into glory.

Its a mystery that God consists of three persons, its not easy to believe, so i wont blame anyone for not understanding the concept of trinity.

Buh how come even mere man is trinity, having a body, soul and spirit.. I wonder Oº°˚˚°ºh.

frosbel:

Considering that we have 100 verses to support our unitarian position while the polytheists Trinitairians have only about 7 , I say wonders will never end

@frosbel, would you agree that the bible is true in it's entirety?

Mr_Anony:
@frosbel, would you agree that the bible is true in it's entirety?

What do you think ?

frosbel:

What do you think ?

Wassap Frosbel?

I havce two questions for you. I am not here to argue since you seem tired of me nowadays. I am even losing interest in debating christians when in the NL islam section, atrocities are happening.


1) Why the attacks on different denominations?

2) What denomination are you? Or is it that you read the bible but dont go to church?

MacDaddy01:


Wassap Frosbel?

I havce two questions for you. I am not here to argue since you seem tired of me nowadays. I am even losing interest in debating christians when in the NL islam section, atrocities are happening.


1) Why the attacks on different denominations?

2) What denomination are you? Or is it that you read the bible but dont go to church?

Mate I will respond later this evening, let me go and enjoy this unusually beautiful sunny British weather and stuff

Trinity Test


Here is a simple but effective test.

Replace the word 'God' in the bible with 'Trinity' (or Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and then read a random collection of verses that have the word God in them.

E.g., John 14:1
"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.

OK, so trust in the (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and also in me. That makes 4. Who is 'me', if the son is already mentioned?

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

So the Trinity so loved the world that the Trinity gave his son. That makes 4. Given this reasoning there must be 2 sons.

Colossians 1:3
We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

So the Trinity is the Father of Jesus. But wait isn't Jesus part of the Trinity?

All verses that mention God and his son are rendered meaningless with a Trinitarian understanding. But Trinitarians do actually interpret God in these verses as the Father out of necessity, but not in the verses that do not mention the son.

E.g., 1 John 2:17
The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.

A Trinitarian would most likely say that this was the Father, Son, & Spirit.

But they would also probably say that the following verse is only the Father.

Revelation 1
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Isn't that the weirdest thing. God is the Trinity except when the son is also mentioned. Coincidence or simply picking and choosing the meaning depending on what their itching ears want to hear?

I leave you with the following verse:

1 John 5
[size=14pt]Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.[/size]

very weird test if you'll ask me. Don't beat yourself, the Word is God.

Image123: very weird test if you'll ask me. Don't beat yourself, the Word is God.

but surely a weird doctrine merits a weird test , no ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSdrsrWdgO8

frosbel:

What do you think ?

Please just answer the question. It makes no sense my asking if I already had an answer

Mr_Anony:
Please just answer the question. It makes no sense my asking if I already had an answer

well , if all I do is quote scripture , hundreds at any given time, then I would like to think that the bible is the basis for my belief, all of it.

Which is why I reject the explanation of mysterious concepts in the bible with human reasoning.

frosbel:

well , if all I do is quote scripture , hundreds at any given time, then I would like to think that the bible is the basis for my belief, all of it.

Which is why I reject the explanation of mysterious concepts in the bible with human reasoning.

If it is true that you believe that the entirety of the bible is true, then it is irrelevant if 100 verse say one thing and 7 verses say another. 100 verses do not nullify 7 verses just because they are 100 in number.
All scripture must be true. Where they seem to contradict, an effort should be made to reconcile our understanding and not seeking one verse to use to refute another verse. Don't you think so?

"And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." Many believe what they believe because they love God and trust the doctrine that is preached to them.

Alot have no bible to study, alot have no internet access like us. Alot cannot even read, but because they Love God, they accept whatever. All because they want to be in the right track. Many who are not called are teaching, they are misleading others. Those who are called will only teach the truth, and it is this truth that will set us free. The bible is clear about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

......in tongues. Abi tongues sef na pagan ni

frosbel:

well , if all I do is quote scripture , hundreds at any given time, then I would like to think that the bible is the basis for my belief, all of it.

Which is why I reject the explanation of mysterious concepts in the bible with human reasoning.

The inspiration of the bible itself is a mistery, trinity concept is a mistery, existence of God is a mistery or can you tell me how God came into existence?

If you believe in mysteries, why find it hard to believe in the trinity since the bible calls it mystery?

I dont just want to go into a deep argument because its vain, i have written so much on trinity here in NL. You can search to find them.

Mr_Anony:
If it is true that you believe that the entirety of the bible is true, then it is irrelevant if 100 verse say one thing and 7 verses say another. 100 verses do not nullify 7 verses just because they are 100 in number.
All scripture must be true. Where they seem to contradict, an effort should be made to reconcile our understanding and not seeking one verse to use to refute another verse. Don't you think so?

actually it is not irrelevant, it is presumptuous and almost daring to ignore the harmony of scripture to the support of plain truths.

To ask that we should discard 100 scriptures for the sake of it , even though they all point to ONE TRUTH is dangerous.

I am not saying that we need 100 verses to support a particular truth, but where we have 100 verses in symphony to the understanding of a doctrine , you cannot then use 2 or 3 others , twist them out of context without proper research and condemn the facts at hand.

Bottom line is that the Trinity is a PAGAN doctrine, because it has been church tradition for eons is meaningless, if it does not add up to scripture it MUST be discarded.

People have been killed and tortured , bullied and called heretics for rejecting this falsehood, this in itself goes a long way to tell us what spirit is behind this strange teaching.

haibe:

The inspiration of the bible itself is a mistery, trinity concept is a mistery, existence of God is a mistery or can you tell me how God came into existence?

If you believe in mysteries, why find it hard to believe in the trinity since the bible calls it mystery?

I dont just want to go into a deep argument because its vain, i have written so much on trinity here in NL. You can search to find them.

Mysteries are only mysteries to unbelievers, otherwise God has revealed his truths plainly to us his children.

"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father." - John 16:25

" He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them." - Matthew 13:11

"He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'" - Luke 8:10

"the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints." - Colossians 1:26


I took the pain to quote these 4 verses to prove that it is God's will that the secrets of the kingdom are made plain to his children.

God is not the author of confusion, the mere fact that this strange teaching has generated so much debate and confusion over the years and in the body of Christ ( even the trinitarians are scratching their heads to explain this complex subject ) , shows you that is is not of GOD.

"For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints"- 1 Corinthians 14:33

@ Frosbel,

Is tongues also a PAGAN doctrine or teaching......because as you see me, your brother laughing in tongues, you didn't rebuke me o. ....in tongues....

Goshen360: @ Frosbel,

Is tongues also a PAGAN doctrine or teaching......because as you see me, your brother laughing in tongues, you didn't rebuke me o. ....in tongues....

It depends on what speaking in tongues means to you, if it is 'gibberish' which no one can understand then we have a problem, but if it can be interpreted and is a genuine language spoken but foreign to the speaker then we are in order.

If we look at this verse below, it clearly shows that the disciples spoke in different languages which were correctly understood by others in amazement.

"When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language." - Acts 2:6

It was not all this crazy stuff going on where we hear people saying, mamamama, papapaa, giigigigigigi , gagagagaga , bababababa, nananana and all that nonsense.

Mr_Anony:
If it is true that you believe that the entirety of the bible is true, then it is irrelevant if 100 verse say one thing and 7 verses say another. 100 verses do not nullify 7 verses just because they are 100 in number.
All scripture must be true. Where they seem to contradict, an effort should be made to reconcile our understanding and not seeking one verse to use to refute another verse. Don't you think so?

i thought we have been trying to find just one scripture to backed up the trinity, how come seven now?

Or is Frosbel saying that trinitarians cite 7 scripture to backed their trinity?

Can i see the seven(7) passages that support the trinity?

frosbel:

one.

"The Word was WITH God" and the Word was God.

Can you just coach Me a little on why and how you concluded that its one God.

Of course i believe its one God too but consisting of 3 persons

Goshen360: ......in tongues. Abi tongues sef na pagan ni

i hope you are not deceiving us with this smiling faces?

I some how imagine that you are not smiling right now!!!

Goshen360: ......in tongues. Abi tongues sef na pagan ni

i hope you are not deceiving us with this smiling faces?

I some how imagine that you are not smiling right now!!!

frosbel:

actually it is not irrelevant, it is presumptuous and almost daring to ignore the harmony of scripture to the support of plain truths.

To ask that we should discard 100 scriptures for the sake of it , even though they all point to ONE TRUTH is dangerous.

I am not saying that we need 100 verses to support a particular truth, but where we have 100 verses in symphony to the understanding of a doctrine , you cannot then use 2 or 3 others , twist them out of context without proper research and condemn the facts at hand.

Bottom line is that the Trinity is a PAGAN doctrine, because it has been church tradition for eons is meaningless, if it does not add up to scripture it MUST be discarded.

People have been killed and tortured , bullied and called heretics for rejecting this falsehood, this in itself goes a long way to tell us what spirit is behind this strange teaching.

just like the moslem kills when any one try to expose their muhamad.

Same spirit.