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No pork?

I.e., no bacon? Seems kinda silly and arbitrary

tbaba1234: @wiegraf

You insist on going the christian route with Islam... Let me clear a few things

We are an intellectual civilisation... Do not come here with a christian-atheist attitude..

What is the christian-atheist attitude.? What is this christian route to islam?

tbaba12345:

There have always been multiple communities in Muslim lands... In baghdad, there used to be debates between muslim scholars and the daariya (the equivalent atheists of the time). So these guys have always existed in our societies... It is not as if it is a new scenario...

Free speech will be limited to what is socially acceptable just like it is everywhere... Absolute free speech is an aberration. All across europe, there are laws against hate speech... The other day, a british man was convicted because he wished for the 'death of british soldiers in afghanistan' on facebook... That is in Britain.... We can't not be hypocrites and pretend that there are not already restrictions to speech across the western world... Just type hate speech laws on google and see how many countries already have those laws in their books..

For muslims, the Quran is the absolute truth... However, It is not a scientific textbook... There are a few scientific statement here and there but it is largely a book of guidance... It places very little restrictions on what should be researched... Because we are convinced of the absolute truth of the Quran, any scientific research sponsored by the state is carried out with that as an already established premise...

This is why i said that research in historical animals by muslims would not be to prove a macro-evolution theory but to study the history of the earth... All scientific research are based on already established premises... For muslims, clear statements made by the Quran are absolute and are established premises .... We might look a little deeper into ambiguous statements...

Stem cell research is promising but the problem people have with it are ethical... If it is done to improve human health then great.. However, the use of aborted fetuses, i do not think is necessarily ethical... Its only success thus far is for the bone marrow...

The pros and the cons will have to be looked at by the experts (scientists and religious scholars) to see if the benefits outweigh the issues.. The same goes for each area of research...

If it can be done ethically and is shown to have benefits then i don't see why not...

1. There were debates quite alright, but was it a success to govern atheists and pagans especially with islamic principles and presumptions.

2. Free speech is absolute except for where it abrogates other basic rights. One can't use his liberty to enslave himself. Free speech can be justifiably reined to secure life. And in relation to privacy, privacy is strictly defined to reduce the loss on free speech. However its counter productive and destructive to limit free speech by social and political correctness. By using religious rules to check free speech.

3. Science defies authority, its methods and perception will eternally conflict with religious dogmas. For example in your view, you believe religious authority (islamic to be specify) should mould and censor Science based on its own assumptions. Galileo's experience with the Church foreshadows an eventual confrontation.

4. Scientific ethics, same as 3.

Kay 17:
1. There were debates quite alright, but was it a success to govern atheists and pagans especially with islamic principles and presumptions.

2. Free speech is absolute except for where it abrogates other basic rights. One can't use his liberty to enslave himself. Free speech can be justifiably reined to secure life. And in relation to privacy, privacy is strictly defined to reduce the loss on free speech. However its counter productive and destructive to limit free speech by social and political correctness. By using religious rules to check free speech.

3. Science defies authority, its methods and perception will eternally conflict with religious dogmas. For example in your view, you believe religious authority (islamic to be specify) should mould and censor Science based on its own assumptions. Galileo's experience with the Church foreshadows an eventual confrontation.

4. Scientific ethics, same as 3.

1. Islamic baghdad was pretty successful and progressive, so there are historical successes.

2. Where is free speech absolute? ... Anywhere in the world...

3. Scienfic method was actively practised in muslim lands, by muslim religious scholars for centuries without conflicts... Please do not transpose christian history on the muslims.... Science is kept in its place by muslims. ... We have enough evidence to be absolutely convinced of the Quran as a divine revelation.

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