Maximus85: If through Adam we all inherited sin

Maximus85: and Adam didn't go to hell,

Maximus85: why will God send the children to hell?

k2039:
The notion of original sin is actually a Catholic dogma
Ezek 18:1-4; Ezek18-20; Jer 32:29-30

Adam was the first to sin,but inheriting is own sin is something I dont believe

Romans 5:19:Through one man's disobedience, sin entered the world. But through one man's obedience, the penalty for sin has been paid.




There is no clear reference to that in the bible(maybe it's there and I have not found it out,so just show me a reference)




God doesn't send anyone to hell. He lets you pick hell.
People send themselves by the choices they make in life.

Maximus85:

The punishment for Adam was said even before the sin was committed "you will positively die" to the dust you will return. And to the woman, "in pains you will bear children"

Did God ever mention an eternal torment in hell? NO! If God had mention that as purnishment, Adam and Eve would have given it a second thought.

Hell was mentioned in Revelation, the concluding part of that verse said "this means the second death" meaning that Hell fire is a figurative expression, describing what second death is - No hope for resurrection.
I will supply Bible verses later.

Maximus85:

The punishment for Adam was said even before the sin was committed "you will positively die" to the dust you will return. And to the woman, "in pains you will bear children"

Did God ever mention an eternal torment in hell? NO! If God had mention that as purnishment, Adam and Eve would have given it a second thought.

Hell was mentioned in Revelation, the concluding part of that verse said "this means the second death" meaning that Hell fire is a figurative expression, describing what second death is - No hope for resurrection.
I will supply Bible verses later.

nextpart: Jesus made it clear in Mathew chapter 25:41.He said people will be separated into two; some on the right and some on the left. Those on the left will be ordered into hell fire.

Again, Jesus told the story (not parable) of the rich man and poor Lazarus. Both of them died and Lazarus got to heaven and the rich man in hell. The rich man's real name was not mentioned becos the name was not in the Book of Life.

Don't be deceived hell is real.

nextpart: Jesus made it clear in Mathew chapter 25:41.He said people will be separated into two; some on the right and some on the left. Those on the left will be ordered into hell fire.

Again, Jesus told the story (not parable) of the rich man and poor Lazarus. Both of them died and Lazarus got to heaven and the rich man in hell. The rich man's real name was not mentioned becos the name was not in the Book of Life.

Don't be deceived hell is real.

frosbel: What truly baffles me about some Christians is how they can reconcile a GOD who after destroying the old world during the time of NOAH with WATER , regretted and sent a rainbow as a sign that he will never again destroy the world with water TO a God who will preserve so called immortal souls ( even though the bible teaches no such thing ) for endless ages in liquid sulphur.

Honestly some of us need to rethink our faith and approach it from the bible's perspective and not the perspective of tradition and human reasoning.

[size=15pt] Pardon me frosbel... I just had to laugh, but you unwittingly told a joke.
Hellfire, [s]hellwater... [/s] (Wipes tears)

...

As Daniel wrote, the true knowledge will be abundant and many will rove about, no? It's up to people with discernment to carefully sort and sift out the fact for themselves (Like the noble-minded Boreans did). Only then will these deeply-entrenched doings of the wicked will be undone just as Jesus predicated it would.

firestar:


[font=AR BERKLEY][size=15pt] Pardon me frosbel... I just had to laugh, but you unwittingly told a joke.
Hellfire, [s]hellwater... [/s] (Wipes tears)

frosbel: ^^^

Just to add that the Lake of Fire is for real, but it is the means to and end, and this end is the death of sinners and fallen angels including SATAN , forever wiping out wickedness from this world and everything and anything that blights the beauty of GOD's universe and creation.

firestar:

[size=15pt]I know all that a loooooooooooooong time ago. Trinity, Gehenna, etc. and all its derivations comes with alot of painstaking research.
Once acquired, accurate -and I do mean accurate- knowledge is more valuable than just mere knowledge.[/size]

frosbel:

You found out the Trinity was true after a long research or false, sorry I did not get this part - thanks.

firestar:

[size=14pt] I meant that this farce of a triad that insults two separate entities as being merged as 3-in-1 is uhm pardon my french: c'est tres faux!
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frosbel:

je suis d'accord !

seyibrown: Hell Fire exists BECAUSE God is a God of justice! There is no justice on earth! Millions have been ra.ped, tortured, shot, robbed, cheated, killed; national resources continue to be mismanaged by rulers who watch their fellow citizens starve to death or turn to crime to survive by many unrepentant souls, and the Courts of this world deny victims true justice in many cases. Who gives those victims justice? No unrepentant sinner will get a 'welcome thou faithful servant' from a God of justice. You are judged on what you do while you are on this earth, not what you do after you are dead. The time to repent from evil is now while you are on earth. The If the righteous reign with God their father, surely the sinners too will reign with their father the devil wherever he ends up!

Maximus85: If through Adam we all inherited sin, and Adam didn't go to hell, why will God send the children to hell?

Maximus85:

The punishment for Adam was said even before the sin was committed "you will positively die" to the dust you will return. And to the woman, "in pains you will bear children"

Did God ever mention an eternal torment in hell? NO! If God had mention that as purnishment, Adam and Eve would have given it a second thought.

Hell was mentioned in Revelation, the concluding part of that verse said "this means the second death" meaning that Hell fire is a figurative expression, describing what second death is - No hope for resurrection.
I will supply Bible verses later.

Maximus85:

Please allow me ask you this simple question, Who are those that will be dishing out the punishment to sinners in hell? I mean who will be the administrators in hell?
The rich man and lazarus is a parable and nothing more. And if you think a loving God that regretted destroying the world with water for 40 days and nights will now burn his own sinful children in an eternal fire, then I beg you to please try to learn what the bible really teaches about God and his purposes for mankind.
God is Love. Not the verb form but the Noun form. And if you as a human felt pains for those allu4 boys burnt alive (for how many minutes? how do you think God would feel? As a human whom are programmed to love, can you watch that entire video and smile?

we are created in the form (characteristics) of God - love in particular. The kind of love you have in you...be sure that God has it in billion folds.

You might want to know what I know about hell according to the Bible, I will be so glad to show them to you. You can send me your email address or BB pin for easier conversation. Thanks.

Mr_Anony:
My dear Maximus, for this statement to be true, you have to show the scripture explicitly saying that Adam did not go to hell.


This is called special pleading. If the bible makes it clear that all sinners will go to hell, then I don't see why Adam's case would be special seeing that he also sinned.


All you have done here is project what you think Love is and then force God into your picture. You have only created your own god.

A loving God who "regretted" flooding the earth went on to burn down a whole city, drop down stones upon an army and have Israelites, Babylonians, Assyrians and Philistines kill off entire cities including the women, babies and livestock because of sin. This should give you an idea of how greivious sin is in God's sight.

One of the characteristics of Love is that it hates evil but rejoices in good. Love(God) is not that mushy feeling that you have. Bear that in mind.

Back to your op. If God is a God of justice, then He must punish sin. If God does not punish sin, then He would be unjust.
Hell - the lake of fire - is a place of eternal torment prepared for the devil because the devil sinned. The bible makes it clear that all sinners will be thrown into the same lake of fire.

ijawkid:

And exactly what would they be experiencing in the lake of fire??

I can agree with you that adam went to HELL...

So also Jesus did for 3 good days......

But the thought of people literally been tormented for all eternity for finite sins they committed in some furnace is never Gods way..

It is either one gains everlasting life or perishes.....

Mr_Anony:
Interestingly, it is not weird to you that people can enjoy infinite paradise for all eternity for finite good deeds of which God had to forgive a lot of sins for that to happen.

Also, why would God resurrect the sinner only to kill him off again?

Here is the picture you are painting: A man commits all the sins he likes, rapes, tortures and kills but dies in a fire. On the last day, God resurrects him and essentially says: "You were such a bad boy now go back to sleep"

- You are mocking God's justice, you are trivializing it so that it fits into your picture of what you think love is.

Mr_Anony:
Interestingly, it is not weird to you that people can enjoy infinite paradise for all eternity for finite good deeds of which God had to forgive a lot of sins for that to happen.

Also, why would God resurrect the sinner only to kill him off again?

Here is the picture you are painting: A man commits all the sins he likes, rapes, tortures and kills but dies in a fire. On the last day, God resurrects him and essentially says: "You were such a bad boy now go back to sleep"

- You are mocking God's justice, you are trivializing it so that it fits into your picture of what you think love is.

ijawkid:

So of what use is God burning up that person for eternity when he(God) could bring an end to that persons existence just as he has always done....

From adam,the time of noah,sodom and gomorrah etc.....

The problem is eternal life is a gift to righteous persons not to the unrighteous.....

Imagine satan living forever.....

Then what did God accomplish @ the end of the day??

ijawkid:

And so the most important question is:::

Where is the adam and eve that landed each and every one of us in this wahala we are in??

What was there fate??

Where are they??

Are they burning somewhere maybe waiting for there off springs who also followed there foot steps. By becoming renegades to come join them??

John 3:16

Is the foundation for the fate of those who either served God or didn't....

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
God loved the world this way: He gave his only
Son so that everyone who believes in him will
not"" die"" but will have ""eternal"" life.
........
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his
only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in
him should not ""perish"", but have ""everlasting""
life.

onetrack: If God created the universe and everything in it, then God also created evil. God therefore is ultimately to blame for all evil, not only for creating is but for permitting it. God can stop evil right away (if he is in fact all-powerful). But he does not. If there is evil in the world it is his will that it be. So if God punishes anyone then he is a huge hypocrite and, essentially, evil himself.

cyrexx: @Mr Anony,
i dont know why you choose to ignore my earlier posers. Are they too uncomfortable for you?

@ijawkid,
Pls check your inbox. Thanxx

cyrexx: But Mr Anony, lets imagine the Bible says nothing about hell.

You, can you torture a living being, if you had the power, for a million billion trillion years for the crimes he commits in a brief lifetime?

Secondly, lets assume you are God and you already knew that this soul will commit some sins and end up in hell, you still went ahead anyway to create him with a default nature to commit sin only to torture him forever in a second life when you could have simply end his first life by total annihilation. Do you think you receive a genuine admiration or forced worship from your creatures this way.

onetrack: If God created the universe and everything in it, then God also created evil. God therefore is ultimately to blame for all evil, not only for creating is but for permitting it. God can stop evil right away (if he is in fact all-powerful). But he does not. If there is evil in the world it is his will that it be. So if God punishes anyone then he is a huge hypocrite and, essentially, evil himself.