The Arabians are as old as the earth. Before the birth of Prophet Muhammad till 610AD, when it was first reported of Qur'anic revelation to Prophet Muhammad, that's during the pre-Islamic period in the Arabians counties, which religion were they practising then?

Most Arabs practiced a form of polytheism in which there were more than 300 gods. There was also quite a large Jewish population as well as some Christians, which explains why Islam was greatly influenced by these religions.

polytheism, judaism, some christianity.

before polytheism, what did the first arab practice?

let make it easy for ue to understand. what did Ismail [as[ the son Ibrahim [as] practice?
Ibrahim assisted by young Ismail was reported to be the builder of Kaaba in Makka.
I am sure he had a purpose for building it. Did he, Ibrahim and later Ismail [as] house any idol to worship at Kaaba?

Evidently, paganism must begin there at some point, much much later than Ibrahim and Ismail [as] and the generation of the 12 sons of Ismail.

If by Ismail you mean Ishmeal, then his mother was Egyptian, where many deities were worshipped.

onetrack: There was also quite a large Jewish population as well as some Christians, which explains why Islam was greatly influenced by these religions.

what does this mean exactly?

@Tpia@:

by tpia@: 12:42pm
If by Ismail you mean Ishmeal, then his mother was Egyptian, where many deities were worshipped

are you saying because of that she and her son were polytheists? Did you conveniently forget that she was married to the father of faith, Abraham? Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldean where polytheism was the order of the day in his time.

Does that make him a polytheist if his spouse is assumed by you as a polytheist because she was from Egypt?

My statement again was when did the first idol introduced to the Kaaba or was it build purposely from the scratch to house idols?


The evidence is what Muhammad [sa] did when he and his followers entered Makka as victors. They destroyed all idols and cleared Makka and its vicinity of any and all idolatry shortly after that. Surah 9 was revealed because of that giving the makka idolaters 4 months of grace. idolaters in the community of Moses did not get a day even because they had to drink up their Idol yahweh in cow shape made of gold. They drank gold!


Muhammad [sa] was a mercy even to the pagan makkans.

^^^ what happened when people just began to settle there? was the first settler a pagan, too, mr. paris love?

what was the name of that person; woman or man, baby or grown? was that person a pagan is really a way for you to know when paganism entered makka. before paganism, what was the religion in Makka?

Sweetnecta: ^^^ what happened when people just began to settle there? was the first settler a pagan, too, mr. paris love?

what was the name of that person; woman or man, baby or grown? was that person a pagan is really a way for you to know when paganism entered makka. before paganism, what was the religion in Makka?

idol worshiping

so the first person there was an idolater is what you are saying?

I hope you can tell me if he had idol in his hand already when he was building the Kaaba?
How many idols and how come the children of Israel made journey to Makka to perform what they performed there?

sometimes you people with your deceit calls Jesus even idol if not idolater.

go learn how to be honest: its a virtuous quality.

Lol, the children of Israel went to makka to do what?

Kabba is house for Idols. Idols Muhammad father and Muhammad himself worshiped.

That's the ugly truth.

The kaaba is a temple built by Abraham and Ishmeal where they worship God almighty. . .monotheism is what they do until their death. . .after their death many people reject faith in God and started worshiping idols that was when polytheism came in with some jews and christians and wonder what jews and christians doing with the mecca pagans are they also worshiping idols?? or are they searching for the coming prophet (comforter) . . .Abdullah is not an idol worshiper he belived in monotheism the God Ishmeal worship.

the op asked what religion was practised in pre-Islamic Arab countries.

that would be polytheism, mainly.

@paris love:

by Paris-Love: 3:29pm
Lol, the children of Israel went to makka to do what?

Kabba is house for Idols. Idols Muhammad father and Muhammad himself worshiped.

That's the ugly truth.

I hope you can stomach the children of Israel who call you gentile used to make "pilgrimage to Bacca popularly known as Makka. You will notice that it is not Jerusalem, so the temple of Solomon will not cut it. You know that God Will not let His True House go to ruin. I hope you can accept that God will protect His House.


Hajj-Pilgrimage To Makkah (aka Bacca in the Quran)
Psalm 84:4-7
"Blessed are those who dwell in your house;they are ever praising you.Selah Blessed are those whose strength is in you,who have set their hearts on pilgrimage.As they pass through the Valley of Baca,they make it a place of springs;the autumn rains also cover it with pools.They go from strength to strength,till each appears before God in Zion.Hear my prayer, O Lord God Almighty;listen to me, O God of Jacob.Selah Look upon our shield,c O God;look with favor on your anointed one.Better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere;I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked. For the Lord God is a sun and shield;the Lord bestows favor and honor;no good thing does he withhold from those whose walk is blameless. Lord Almighty,blessed is the man who trusts in you.


8.) Qiblah-Direction Towards the House of God While Praying
Daniel 6:10

Jonah 2: 4-7

2 Chronicles 6:18-21

1 Kings 8:27-29

Isaiah 38:2

1 Kings 8:44-45

ccording to the hadith, the Ka'aba in Mecca was a center of idol-worship, with the Ka'aba housing 360 idols:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Masud: The Prophet entered Mecca and (at that time) there were three hundred-and-sixty idols around the Ka’aba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had in his hand and reciting: "Truth (Islam) has come and Falsehood (disbelief) has vanished." (Sahih Bukhari 3:43:658)

Muhammad discarded the 360 idols but retained for Islam, the Ka’aba with its Black Stone, justifying it with the claim that Abraham and Ishmael originally constructed it. However, there is no historical or archaeological evidence for the existence of the Ka’aba beyond a few hundred years before Muhammad's lifetime.

The Qur'an says Abraham built it:
Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer). (Qur'an 2:125)

Muhammed says it was built 40 years prior to the Temple at Jerusalem:
Narrated Abu Dhaar: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was built first?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them? He replied, forty years. (Sahih Bukhari 4:55:636)

The Temple at Jerusalem was built by Solomon around 958-951 BC. This implies that if Muhammad were to be believed, the Ka’aba must have been built approximately 998-991 BC. But Abraham lived around 2000 BC and both Abraham and Ishmael would have been dead by then.

If Muhammad is correct, then the Qur’an [and therefore Allah] is wrong. But if the Qur’an is correct in stating that Abraham and Ishmael built the Ka’aba, then Muhammad and the hadith is wrong. The Ka’aba has nothing to do with Abraham or Ishmael.

Worship at the Ka’aba and the kissing of the Black Stone are just the first of many practices adopted from 7th century paganism and repackaged within monotheistic Islam.

Pagan heritage of the Black-stone

The pagan gods of pre-Islamic Arabia were worshipped in the form of rectangular stones or rocks. For example, the pagan deity 'Al-Lat', mentioned in Qur'an 53:19, and believed by pre-Islamic pagans to be one of the daughters of Allah, was once venerated as a cubic rock at Ta'if in Saudi Arabia. An edifice was built over the rock to mark it apart as a house of worship. From the Kitab Al-Asnam (Book of idols):

Al-lat stood in al-Ta'if, and was more recent than Manah. She was a cubic rock beside which a certain Jew used to prepare his barley porridge (sawiq). Her custody was in the hands of the banu-'Attab ibn-Malik of the Thayif, who had built an edifice over her. [...]She is the idol which God mentioned when He said, "Have you seen Al-lat and al-'Uzza (Surah 53:19)?

"A principal sacred object in Arabian religion was the stone, either a rock outcropping or a large boulder, often a rectangular or irregular black basaltic stone… of numerous baetyls, the best known is the Black-stone of the Ka’aba at Mecca which became the central shrine object in Islam"

There is no denying that the Black Stone was one among many stones and idols venerated at the Ka’aba by the pre-Islamic pagans. The Black Stone was kissed during pre-Islamic pagan worship. Though Muhammad threw out 360 other objects at the Ka’aba, he retained this Black Stone and continued the practice of kissing it. It is this same stone that the pre-Islamic pagans once kissed, that Muslims kiss today when visiting Mecca.

Pagan past of Islamic praying and fasting

Praying

Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca. Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al-Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers per day per Muslim. Upon advice from "Moses", Muhammed bargains with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day.

Fasting

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the Quraish, fasted on the 10th of Muharram. Though optional, Muhammad retained this pagan practice too. Here is proof from the Hadith:

Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the tenth of Muharram) was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172

Pagan heritage of Tawaf between Safa and Marwa

Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelation.[7] Here is proof from the Hadith about the pagan past of the ceremonies at Safa and Marwah:
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158)
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710

A myth was also created about Hagar running between these two mounts in search of water until she found the Zamzam Well. Even if this story were true, why is this reason for people to run up and down between two mounts to please a god?



More to come...

@paris-love, u too much. Hw did u get all dis info?

^^ Lol . . .he got the LIES from answering-islam an anti-islamic site. . .more to come from me rebuking the lies he copied and pasted

atuagbo: @paris-love, u too much. Hw did u get all dis info?

here http://m.sodahead.com/united-states/the-pagan-origins-of-islam/question-2662947/?page=5
Pagan requirement of “Ihram”

'Ihram' is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshiping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah. Here is proof from the Hadith regarding its pagan heritage:

Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706

Pagan heritage of Circumambulation

Circumambulation is to go in circles around a particular object. In Islam, worshipers and pilgrims do this around the Ka'aba at Mecca. Pre-Islamic pagans used do it to please the moon god Hubal, the 360 deities and Allah (who was merely one among the many deities worshiped there). Muhammad himself used to do it, even before the 360 idols inside the Ka'aba were removed.

Judaism and Christianity (the religions of those who are considered People of the Book) do not practice ritual circumambulation to please God. Two other faiths which do are Hinduism and Buddhism, religions older than Islam and accused by Islam of “paganism” and practicing idolatry.

In the Islamic ritual of Tawaf, Muslims go around the Kaaba 7 times. In the Hindu marriage rite of Saptapadi, the married couple goes around a fire also 7 times.

Pagan heritage of Islamic Crescent Moon

Hubal was the moon god worshiped at the Ka’aba. The crescent moon was Hubal’s symbol. Muhammad's pagan grandfather Abd al-Muttalib almost slaughtered Muhammad's father Abdallah at the Ka’aba, to satisfy his god Hubal. From Ibn Hisham:

An arrow showed that it was 'Abdullah to be sacrificed. 'Abdul-Muttalib then took the boy to Al-Ka'bah with a razor to slaughter the boy. Quraish, his uncles from Makhzum tribe and his brother Abu Talib, however, tried to dissuade him. They suggested that he summon a she-diviner. She ordered that the divination arrows should be drawn with respect to 'Abdullah as well as ten camels. … the number of the camels (finally) amounted to one hundred. … They were all slaughtered to the satisfaction of Hubal.

The Ka’aba, Islam's holiest shrine, has been a place where such pagan human sacrifices and slaughters have taken place for Hubal and rivers of blood have flown. When Muhammad founded Islam, he threw out Hubal. At the Battle of Badr, his enemy Abu Sufyan praised the high position of moon god Hubal, saying "O Hubal, be high". Muhammad asked his followers to yell back, "Allah is higher".

Is moon-god Hubal no longer "higher"? Is Islam completely free of the 'moon' influence? Take a closer look at mosques all over the world, and you are likely to find Hubal’s symbol, the crescent moon, positioned at a high point of the mosque. As with the Cross for Christianity and the Star of David for Judaism, the Crescent moon is today a universal symbol for Islam.

It may not be a deliberate effort to worship Hubal. And yet, interestingly, through Islam, the pagan prayer of Muhammad's enemy Abu Sufyan at Badr has been answered, "O Hubal be high". With such rich pagan heritage, let not Muslims claim that theirs is a pure religion that descended directly from Allah’s heaven.

Taken from HERE
Narrated Ibn Abbas: "The first lady to use a girdle was the mother of Ishmael. She used a girdle so that she might hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son Ishmael while she was suckling him, to a place near the Ka'ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-zam , at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Mecca, nor was there any water So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ishmael's mother followed him saying, "O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said,"Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:
'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.' (14.37) Ishmael's mother went on suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water (she had).
When the water in the water-skin had all been used up, she became thirsty and her child also became thirsty. She started looking at him (i.e. Ishmael) tossing in agony; She left him, for she could not endure looking at him, and found that the mountain of Safa was the nearest mountain toher on that land. She stood on it and started looking at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody, but she could not see anybody. Then she descended from Safa and when she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress and trouble, till shecrossed the valley and reached the Marwa mountain where she stood and started looking, expecting to see somebody, but she could not see anybody. She repeated that (running between Safa and Marwa) seven times."
The Prophet said, "This is the source of the tradition of the walking of people between them (i.e. Safa and Marwa). When she reached the Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice and she asked herself to be quiet and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, 'O,(whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?" And behold! She saw an angel at the place of Zam-zam , digging the earth with his heel (or his wing), till water flowed from that place. She started to make something like a basin around it, using her hand in this way, and started filling her water-skin with water with her hands, and the water was flowing out after she had scooped some of it."
The Prophet added, "May Allah bestow Mercy on Ishmael's mother! Had she let the Zam-zam (flowwithout trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zam-zam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth." The Prophet further added, "Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her, 'Don't be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people.' The House (i.e. Kaba) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they flowed to its right and left. She lived in that way till some people from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her and her child,as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were coming through the way of Kada'. They landed in the lower part of Mecca where they saw a bird that had the habit of flying around water and not leaving it. They said, 'This bird must be flying around water, though we know that there is no water in this valley.' They sent one or two messengers who discovered the source of water, and returned to inform them of the water. So, they all came (towards the water)." The Prophet added, "Ishmael's mother was sitting near the water. They asked her, 'Do you allow us to stay with you?" She replied, 'Yes, but you will have no right to possess the water.' They agreed to that." The Prophet further said, "Ishmael's mother was pleased with the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of the people. So, they settled there, and later on they sent for their families who came and settled with them so that some families became permanent residents there. The child (i.e. Ishmael) grew up and learnt Arabic from them and (his virtues) caused them to love and admire him as he grew up, and when he reached the age of puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst them.
After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum)

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added,"At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the thresholdof his gate.' When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and Iinformed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me. '
Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on themafterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam , sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son ora son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah hasordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it." The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael broughtthis stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing. " (2.127) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583) "

One of his fairytales, like the one he said he went to the temple in Jerusalem and returned. Abu seriously doubted and many left as a result and the other one he claimed to travel on some beast to haggle the number of praying times with his god...

Those who make you believe absurdities make you commit atrocities"

Taken from HERE
Abraham peace be upon him sent Hagar and Ishmael to Paran:
Let us look at the following Verses: "Then God opened her [Hagar] eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran , his mother got a wife for him from Egypt. At that time Abimelech and Phicol the commanderof his forces said to Abraham, "God is with you in everything you do. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 21:19-22) "
Hagar was an Arab. Abraham peace be upon him had Ishmael from her, who was 13 years older than Issac. After Sarah, Abraham's wife gave birth to Issac, Abraham decided to let Hagar and her son Ishmael go. He sent to the desert of Arabia in the region of Paran.
Then GOD Almighty promised Ishmael that from him, He will increase his numbers and make from him a great nation, the Arab nation; "And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 17:20) "
The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran . He came with myriads of holy ones from the south , from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2) "
Kedar came from Ishmael; "These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar , Adbeel, Mibsam, and Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by theircastles; twelve princes according to their nations. Kedar and Ancient Arabs (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 25:13) "
The Ishmaelites were Arabs and not Egyptians. They came from the Arabian desert; "As they sat down to eat their meal, they looked up and saw a caravan of Ishmaelites coming from Gilead. Their camels were loaded with spices, balm and myrrh, and they were on their way to take them down to Egypt. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 37:25) " "take them down to Egypt" means taking them to the land of Egypt. It doesn't mean taking them toward the south direction. When for instance you say "my house is right down the street", it doesn't mean the house is south of the street. The house could be on the north side. The sentence means that the house is on the street, or will be found if the person walks in the path that you lead him to.
The point however in the above Verse is that the Ishmaelites were not from Egypt. They came from another land. They had loaded camels and they were heading to Egypt. Arabs used to rely heavily on camels for traveling. And as we've seen from the above Verses regarding Ishmael and his Mother (Hagar) living in the desert of Paran in the South, this clearly proves to us that the desert of Paran is located in Arabia and not in Egypt, since the Ishmaelites are not Egyptians.
Mecca, Bacca and Paran:

"Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (From the NIV Bible, Psalms 84:5-6) "
"The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings: In it are signs manifest; (for example) the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith Allah stands not in need of any of his creatures. (The Noble Quran, 3:96-97) "
"And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is. Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation. And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink. And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran : and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 21:17-21) "
Kaabah (the cube black building in Mecca) and Mecca:
Atharva Veda X, 2, Mantras 28 and 31
28. Whether it is built high, its walls are in a straight line or not, but God is seen in every corner of it. He who knows the House of God, knows it because God is remembered there.
31. This abode of the angels has eight circuits and nine gates. It is unconquerable, there is eternal life in it and it is resplendent with Divine light.
The Ka'bah is not exactly cubical and its sides are not of the same length. The Holy Sanctuary (Haram) of which Ka'abah is at the center remainsopen day and night throughout the year and it is always filled with people praying and supplicatingto Allah (the One True God). Muslims face toward it during prayer forming circle in the Haram (HolyHouse) and the circle extends out in this manner throughout the planet Earth.
The holy sanctuary (Haram) has remained unconquerable. Abraha al-Ashram, the Abbysinian viceroy of Yemen, tried to demolish it in 570 CE with a strong army and hordes of elephants but was prevented from entering the city (Holy precinct). The people of Makkah had decided not to defend the Ka'bah, fled the city andtook refuge in nearby hills overlooking Ka'bah. By Allah's Command, the 'Abaabeel' (flying creatures, birds) pelted stones at Abraha's army and decimated it, leaving them like green crops devoured by cattle.
This incident is described in the Surah (chapter) 105 of the Qur'an. The year 570 CE is popularly known by the Arabs as 'The year of the Elephant,' and Prophet Muhammad was born in that year.

Paris-Love:
One of his fairytales, like the one he said he went to the temple in Jerusalem and returned. Abu seriously doubted and many left as a result and the other one he claimed to travel on some beast to haggle the number of praying times with his god...

Those who make you believe absurdities make you commit atrocities"

Lol! keep decieving yourself and read the fairytales that build up most of the bible stories . . . Bar'ka de Sallah

Sweetnecta: @Tpia@: are you saying because of that she and her son were polytheists? Did you conveniently forget that she was married to the father of faith, Abraham? Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldean where polytheism was the order of the day in his time.

Does that make him a polytheist if his spouse is assumed by you as a polytheist because she was from Egypt?

My statement again was when did the first idol introduced to the Kaaba or was it build purposely from the scratch to house idols?


The evidence is what Muhammad [sa] did when he and his followers entered Makka as victors. They destroyed all idols and cleared Makka and its vicinity of any and all idolatry shortly after that. Surah 9 was revealed because of that giving the makka idolaters 4 months of grace. idolaters in the community of Moses did not get a day even because they had to drink up their Idol yahweh in cow shape made of gold. They drank gold!


Muhammad [sa] was a mercy even to the pagan makkans.

She was not married to Abraham, she was Sarah maid

Mee234:
She was not married to Abraham, she was Sarah maid

and what happened when Hagar was hand to Abraham by Sarah??

Sweetnecta: before polytheism, what did the first arab practice?

let make it easy for ue to understand. what did Ismail [as[ the son Ibrahim [as] practice?
Ibrahim assisted by young Ismail was reported to be the builder of Kaaba in Makka.
I am sure he had a purpose for building it. Did he, Ibrahim and later Ismail [as] house any idol to worship at Kaaba?

Evidently, paganism must begin there at some point, much much later than Ibrahim and Ismail [as] and the generation of the 12 sons of Ismail.

YOU MUSLIMS MUST STOP REWRITING HISTORY ABEG! ABRAHAM AND ISHMAEL DID NOT GO TO MECCA WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE SO HOW DID THEY BUILD THE THE KAABAH. THE KAABAH WAS BUILT BY THE PAGANS IN MECCA. MUSLIMS STOP DECEIVING YOURSELVES THAT ABRAHAM AND ISHMAEL BUILT THE KAABAH. IF ABRAHAM AND ISMAEL BUILT THE KAABAH WHY DID'NT ISAAC, JACOB OR BIBLICAL PROPHETS GO TO KAABAH TO WORSHIP?