Concerning atheism and mass murder, Christian apologist Gregory Koukl wrote that "the assertion is that religion has caused most of the killing and bloodshed in the world. There are people who make accusations and assertions that are empirically false. This is one of them. " Koukl details the number of people killed in various events involving theism and compares them to the much higher tens of millions of people killed under communist atheistic regimes.

It has been estimated that in less than the past 100 years, governments under the banner of communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987. Richard Dawkins has attempted to engage in historical revisionism concerning atheist atrocities and Dawkins was shown to be in gross error (see also: Atheism and communism and Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union).
Koukl summarized by stating:

“ It is true that it's possible that religion can produce evil, and generally when we look closer at the detail it produces evil because the individual people are actually living in a rejection of the tenets of Christianity and a rejection of the God that they are supposed to be following. So it can produce it, but the historical fact is that outright rejection of God and institutionalizing of atheism actually does produce evil on incredible levels. We're talking about tens of millions of people as a result of the rejection of God.”


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Nobel Prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was asked to account for the great tragedies that occurred under the brutal communist regime he and fellow citizens suffered under.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn offered the following explanation:

“ Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.'

Since then I have spend well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.'

Logicboy03: Copy and paste


Please try to copy and paste things that make sense.


Shouldnt your title be "religion and mass murder" or "communism and mass murder"?

Logicboy03: Copy and paste


Please try to copy and paste things that make sense.


Shouldnt your title be "religion and mass murder" or "communism and mass murder"?

"It is true that it's possible that religion can produce evil, and generally when we look closer at the detail it produces evil because the individual people are actually living in a rejection of the tenets of Christianity and a rejection of the God that they are supposed to be following. So it can produce it, but the historical fact is that outright rejection of God and institutionalizing of atheism actually does produce evil on incredible levels. We're talking about tens of millions of people as a result of the rejection of God.”

It has been estimated that in less than the past 100 years, governments under the banner of communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives.

onetrack:


Who cares about the body count. The fact that more people have been killed by un-elected communist dictators than earlier, religious regimes is a function of the much larger population of the 20th century than earlier centuries. Don't think that religious governments of earlier times would not have killed that many people if there had been 100,000,000 heretics to be killed. "Oh, we're Christian kings; we can only kill 10,000,000 of them instead of 100,000,000!"

frosbel:

Why , am I surprised at your statement, atheists don't care about body count, the higher the better , just ask your comrades, Stalin, Pol Pot and Chairman Mao.

Is this how your thinking works ?

In less than 1/2 a century , atheist controlled states wiped out over 200 million souls , and your only response is a rehashing of wishful inferences based at most on fantasy ?

frosbel:

Why , am I surprised at your statement, atheists don't care about body count, the higher the better , just ask your comrades, Stalin, Pol Pot and Chairman Mao.

Is this how your thinking works ?

In less than 1/2 a century , atheist controlled states wiped out over 200 million souls , and your only response is a rehashing of wishful inferences based at most on fantasy ?

Logicboy03:



The body count of christianity is far more.


Ignorance is a disease

frosbel:


provide statistics, not outbursts !

frosbel:


provide statistics, not outbursts !

advocate666:

there is so much statistics that one wouldn't know where to begin.

jayriginal: One thing that needs to be taken into consideration is the technology available at the time. Given how much destruction the christians were able to carry out at the time, its reasonable to think that they would have achieved much more in terms of bloodshed if they had our modern day weapons at their disposal.

Imagine nukes in their hands for instance.

Logicboy03:


Even at that, the body count still rests with the christians as champions.

They have been killing since the 6th century.

frosbel:

You mean your former type of Christian, i.e Catholic Pagan worshipers, not the TRUE flock of Christ ?

Obviously you will never know the difference for you were NEVER a Christian to begin with.

Even at that , it took your former PAGAN church , centuries to achieve up to a few million killed , whereas communism which you know as well as I do is state based atheism , was responsible for 200 million plus dead in less than 1/2 a century.

What a joke atheism is !

frosbel:

You mean your former type of Christian, i.e Catholic Pagan worshipers, not the TRUE flock of Christ ?

Obviously you will never know the difference for you were NEVER a Christian to begin with.

Even at that , it took your former PAGAN church , centuries to achieve up to a few million killed , whereas communism which you know as well as I do is state based atheism , was responsible for 200 million plus dead in less than 1/2 a century.

What a joke atheism is !

Logicboy03:



You dont consider catholcis as christians. However catholcis are the driving force of christianity. 1 billion plus in numbers and the oldest church in existence.

advocate666:

ah! that old defence: the murderous christians were the wrong type of christians.

TerryCarr: they did not kill in the name of atheism

frosbel:

Catholics are the driving force of YOUR BRAND of 'Christianity'.

Logicboy's version of the CHURCH is not the TRUE version of the church , rather it is a deranged LIE that has been held on to by countless deceived souls over the past centuries, and reinforced, not with love and kindnesses, but with immense brutality, violence and torture. Along with Hitler, you are one of the by products of this evil system , but somewhat lucky you escaped in time, though you escaped into the frying pan

Just because you got tired of chanting the rosary, bowing before statues , and all that nonsense, does not mean you should twist the truth to align with your fantasy.

btw , your 250m estimation of the number of innocent souls killed by your former religion is not at all true.

frosbel:


They killed in the name of 'nothing' , no ?

illogicalboy

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If the catholic church is false then you are false because protestants are a creation of the catholic church. You use a bible compiled by the catholics.

As for the 250 million estimate- contains both catholic and protestant killings from the early centuries. Any fools on the street would be smart enoght to know that the christian body count would be more than any other religion since they were killing for over a millenia (thousand years) and that they are the largets religion in the world.