Given  ->
1) No evolutionist has ever observed evolution with his/her own eyes.
2) No evolutionist has ever touched an evolving organism with his/her own hands, as it evolved.
3) Stories about evolution have to be accepted based mainly on the authority of the evolutionist/scientist - no questions asked.


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Since  faith is defined as 'the hypostasis of things not seen'.Can we not say that evolutionists are  simply believing what they have also not seen?

Has evolution not become some sort of religion for the adherents

- Religious systems beleive in God without demanding proof, but accepting the messages of Prophets, Priests, Pastors etc etc

- Evolutionists believe in evolution also without demanding rigorous scientific proof, but accepting the authority of its leading scientists - who, being less than 100 years old, dictate events that happened 60 million years ago and beyond![/color][/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000]

imhotep:

Given ->
1) No evolutionist has ever observed evolution with his/her own eyes.

Untrue. However, that would be irrelevant, even if true, because the evidence can be viewed and gotten afterwards, anyway.

2) No evolutionist has ever touched an evolving organism with his/her own hands, as it evolved.

Not quite. Those that have worked to create speciation in several plants through hybridisation have, even if no one else has.

3) Stories about evolution have to be accepted based mainly on the authority of the evolutionist/scientist - no questions asked.

Totally false. There's a reason peer-review processes exist. Further, questions are always being asked and many attempt to replicate as many findings as possible, just to find a flaw or cause advances.

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Since faith is defined as 'the hypostasis of things not seen'.Can we not say that evolutionists are simply believing what they have also not seen?

No.

Has evolution not become some sort of religion for the adherents

No.

- Religious systems beleive in God without demanding proof, but accepting the messages of Prophets, Priests, Pastors etc etc

- Evolutionists believe in evolution also without demanding rigorous scientific proof, but accepting the authority of its leading scientists - who, being less than 100 years old, dictate events that happened 60 million years ago and beyond![/color][/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000]

Ridiculously untrue.

KAG:

Untrue. However, that would be irrelevant, even if true, because the evidence can be viewed and gotten afterwards, anyway.

Not quite. Those that have worked to create speciation in several plants through hybridisation have, even if no one else has.


Totally false. There's a reason peer-review processes exist. Further, questions are always being asked and many attempt to replicate as many findings as possible, just to find a flaw or cause advances.

No.

No.

Ridiculously untrue.

KAG, we have been thru this million times but they do not seem to appreciate the scientific method. Imhotep advances these bizarre arguments all the time but he never learns from the responses. What religions can do to ones mind is incalculable.

KAG:

There's a reason peer-review processes exist. Further, questions are always being asked and many attempt to replicate as many findings as possible, just to find a flaw or cause advances.

Good.  The authority of the reviewing  scientist(s) has a big role to play in the acceptance of the theory of evolution.

In the case of evolution, the peer-review process  will perform no experiment to determine whether an event actually took place 60 million years ago. The review process simply adopts the theory whenever they find it to be satisfactory. Then it is deemed universally true by adherents.

There is a certain similarity between this process and theologians in the Vatican, together with the Pope, coming together to make a statement on 'faith and morals'. No experimentation is needed, just the authority of the Pope and his supporting scholars.

therationa:

KAG, we have been through this million times but they do not seem to appreciate the scientific method. Imhotep advances these bizarre arguments all the time but he never learns from the responses. What religions can do to ones mind is incalculable.

It's a strange thing, yes.

imhotep:

Good. The authority of the reviewing scientist(s) has a big role to play in the acceptance of the theory of evolution.

In the case of evolution, the peer-review process will perform no experiment to determine whether an event actually took place 60 million years ago. The review process simply adopts the theory whenever they find it to be satisfactory. Then it is deemed universally true by adherents.

That's false.

There is a certain similarity between this process and theologians in the Vatican, together with the Pope, coming together to make a statement on 'faith and morals'. No experimentation is needed, just the authority of the Pope and his supporting scholars.

Except in the study of evolution, a lot of experimentation takes place; allowance for falsification is advanced; and empricial explanations are necessary.

Let me quote from an interesting article ->
[b]
It does not take much effort to demonstrate that evolution is not science but religion. [/b]Science, of course, involved observation, using one or more of our five senses (taste, sight, smell, hearing, touch) to gain knowledge about the world and to be able to repeat the observations.

Naturally, one can only observe what exists in the present. It is an easy task to understand that no scientist was present over the suggested millions of years to witness the supposed evolutionary progression of life form the simple to the complex. No living scientists was there to observe the first life forming in some primeval sea.

No living scientist was there to observe the Big Bang that is supposed to have occurred 10 or 20 billion years ago, nor the supposed formation of the earth 4.5 billion years ago (or even 10,000 years ago!). No scientists was there--no human witness was there to see these events occurring. They certainly cannot be repeated today.

All the evidence a scientists has exists only in the present. All the fossils, the living animals and plants, the world, the universe--in fact, everything, exists now--in the present.

The average person (including most students) is not taught that scientists have only the present and cannot deal directly with the past. Evolution is a belief system about the past based on the words of men who were not there, but who are trying to explain how all the evidence of the present (that is, fossils, animals and plants, etc.) originated.

(Webster's Dictionary defines religion as follows: ", cause, principle or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith." Surely, this is an apt description of evolution.) Evolution is a belief system--a religion!

imhotep:

Let me quote from an interesting article ->
[b]
It does not take much effort to demonstrate that evolution is not science but religion.

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I guess it depends on the type of person in question. For some, spreading misinformation does take much effort.

[/b]Science, of course, involved observation, using one or more of our five senses (taste, sight, smell, hearing, touch) to gain knowledge about the world and to be able to repeat the observations.

Not always, no. Quantum mechanics, for example, is rarely dependent on the senses.

Naturally, one can only observe what exists in the present. It is an easy task to understand that no scientist was present over the suggested millions of years to witness the supposed evolutionary progression of life form the simple to the complex. No living scientists was there to observe the first life forming in some primeval sea.

However, scientists can look at the available data: the remnants from the past, the indelible marks, etc. They point to a particular phenomenon.

No living scientist was there to observe the Big Bang that is supposed to have occurred 10 or 20 billion years ago, nor the supposed formation of the earth 4.5 billion years ago (or even 10,000 years ago!). No scientists was there--no human witness was there to see these events occurring. They certainly cannot be repeated today.

Again, the effects, hallmarks, and evidence cbe seen. Mathematical calculations can be tested and shown to work.

All the evidence a scientists has exists only in the present. All the fossils, the living animals and plants, the world, the universe--in fact, everything, exists now--in the present.

The average person (including most students) is not taught that scientists have only the present and cannot deal directly with the past.

Untrue. Technically, most sciences deal with the past.

Evolution is a belief system about the past based on the words of men who were not there, but who are trying to explain how all the evidence of the present (that is, fossils, animals and plants, etc.) originated.

It's not a belief system.

(Webster's Dictionary defines religion as follows: ", cause, principle or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith." Surely, this is an apt description of evolution.) Evolution is a belief system--a religion!

No.

The problem is that most scientists do not realize that[b] it is the belief (or religion) of evolution that is the basis for the scientific models[/b] (the interpretations, or stories) used to attempt an explanation of the present.

Evolutionists are not prepared to change their actual belief that all life can be explained by natural processes and that no God is involved (or even needed).

Evolution is the religion to which they are committed.

imhotep:

The problem is that most scientists do not realize that[b] it is the belief (or religion) of evolution that is the basis for the scientific models[/b] (the interpretations, or stories) used to attempt an explanation of the present.

Evolutionists are not prepared to change their actual belief that all life can be explained by natural processes and that no God is involved (or even needed).

Evolution is the religion to which they are committed.

Most of the people that accept evolution are theists.

KAG:

Most of the people that accept evolution are theists.

This does not erase the issue at hand: evolution has a lot in common with religious belief systems.

so KAG is a woman? i never knew that

No evolutionist has ever observed evolution with his/her own eyes.

ha ha

"Apr 20, 2008 , Ben Stein's new film, Expelled, should be seen by anyone interested in the new Dark Age of totalitarianism which seems to be creeping , www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/04/post_83.html ". There are very serious incidents of this sort happening all the time everywhere inthe West. "No questions asked"- period.

The most unscientific position that anyone can take any time anywhere is this:

1. Evolution is a FACT

2. No questions can be asked on that

3. If you question you will be punished

4. Depending on the class level: Shamed, labelled, "usually "F" grade, no recommendations or Expelled.

5. The immediate and invariable accusation is "Fundamentalism"!!

There are thousands, perhaps millions, of publications and utterances almost deifying Darwinism, but where is ONE SINGLE SOLITARY peer reviewed paper criticizing the basic assumptions- beliefs- of this hypothesis. For example, homology means descent is not an axiom of science- but no questions asked.

It is not the authority of the reviewing scientist(s) which is in question, but the establishment policies based on an imposed belief system called Evolutionism which is dangerous. The recent appearance of a couple of Books by academics, laying bare the fallacies, is good. But, they are summarily rejected by the establishment.

Science is: Experiment/Observation, Critical Analysis, Inference & Coclusion.

1. There is no way an experiment can be performed to determine whether an event actually took place millions/billions of years ago.

2. Not one evolving organism exists anywhere. No valid missing link is ever found in the fossils, though Darwin expected it will be rampant in every backyard, so much so "punctuated equilibrium" had to be added to Darwinism to make it even remotely appear factual.

3. All review processes simply accept this highly questionable hypothesis as a universally true theory.

4. Life comes from life, not dead matter

5. The "peers" have become a "magisterium" of "priests" on faith and morals of Scientism. No experimentation is needed, no critical analysis is permissible unless it CONFORMS. Just the authority of the self-taught Naturalist Darwin and what was always known as "his bulldogs", the radical Huxley family in England, is all that matters!!

That is not science. It is a fundamentalist man-made, State ordained, religion. This religion and its adherents such as Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc have been extremely destructive. Survival of the fittest is a myth which slaughtered over 160 million "innocent" people in wars and over 50 million innocent babies in wombs!! It is just about going to destroy all of human civilization, particularly the most brilliant and productive of the past 500 plus years!!

Best regards

http://biodarkmatter.webs.com/index.htm

Bioaxions & Extraordinary Materialism

Bio DARK-MATTER
Axion-like Particles Extraordinary Materialism

Where matter exists, chemistry also exists. Axion particles may yield axion chemistry, involving monopoles also in the place of electric charges. Electrons, protons and neutrons may have corresponding axion particles. Just as electrons are universal constituents of all matter, axion-like particles parallel to electrons may be universal constituents of the biosphere. In addition, animals will have axions parallel to protons also. Humans will have axions parallel to neutrons as an additional third component. The most stable (the least reactive) dark-matter body exists only in humans. Plants will have the least stable dark bodies. Animals come in between. The interaction of the "dark" and "light" chemical bonds can produce extremely low (ELF) photons.

Evidences:

1. ELF Biophoton energies much lower than the lowest known bio/chemical energies
2. Biophoton emission rates per sq.cm/second are 10 times more in plants than humans
3. Magnetic fields are negligibly small in plants, but measurable in animals and significant in humans
4. Stability factors predict an emission rate ratio in agreement with experimental data
5. A rational physical explanation of paranormal phenomena

Corollaries:
1."Channeling" is possible by dark-matter entities already at a higher energy
2. Decopling at death leaves the "dark body" dormat at a relatively negative energy state ( - E= mC^2 ).
3. Quickening is possible by a vast external energy source.
4. Paranormal phenomena depends on the extent of dissociation between "light" and "dark" chemical bonds
5. Artificially induced paranormal events may occur in a resonant magnetic field.

Recent Publications:

The Expelled film can be viewed here:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCxbhGaVfE?fs=1&hl=en_GB[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEvq4xIHmH4

i agree that evolution is a form of religion. Because evolution was entirely based upon hypothisis by ignorant scientists who just couldnt and would not believe that god created the earth. But, understand, god created the earth, heavens and everything in 6 days and rested on the 7th day or the "sabbath day" there have been multiple discoveries that support the bible. For instance: they discovered anctient types of wood buried deep in the red sea which would back up the moses story. Let me ask this question: saturn has 7 rings, why does one ring go the completley opposite direction than the other six rings? Because supposidley according to the big bang theory, everything in space after the explosion turned in one direction

http://biodarkmatter/index.htm                                                                                                     
Bioaxions  Extraordinary Materialism
                                                                                                     
Bioaxions  Extraordinary Materialism

Bio DARK-MATTER   
Axion-like Particles  Extraordinary Materialism

Where matter exists, chemistry also exists. Axion particles may yield axion chemistry, involving monopoles also in the place of electric charges. Electrons, protons and neutrons may have corresponding axion particles. Just as electrons are universal constituents of all matter, axion-like particles parallel to electrons may be universal constituents of the biosphere. In addition, animals will have axions parallel to protons also. Humans will have axions parallel to neutrons as an additional third component. The most stable (the least reactive) dark-matter body exists only in humans. Plants will have the least stable dark bodies. Animals come in between. The interaction of the "dark" and "light" chemical bonds can produce extremely low (ELF) photons.

Evidences:

1. ELF Biophoton energies much lower than the lowest known bio/chemical energies
2. Biophoton emission rates per sq.cm/second are 10 times more in plants than humans
3. Magnetic fields are negligibly small in plants, but measurable in animals and significant in humans
4. Stability factors predict an emission rate ratio in agreement with experimental data
5. A rational physical explanation of paranormal phenomena

Corollaries:
1."Channeling" is possible by dark-matter  entities already at a higher energy
2.   Decopling at death leaves the "dark body" dormat at a relatively negative energy state ( - E= mC^2 ).
3. Quickening is possible by a vast external energy source. 
4. Paranormal phenomena depends on the extent of dissociation between "light" and "dark" chemical bonds 
5. Artificially induced paranormal events may occur in a resonant magnetic field depending on the extent of dissociation of "light"/"dark" chemical bonds

Recent Publications: See the site http://biodarkmatter/index.htm                                                                                                     
Bioaxions  Extraordinary Materialism

Dark Matter

1. Astrophysical: MACHOS, WIMPS  for the missing mass of the universe. 

2. Theoretical: Axions for  the strong CP problem in quantum chromodynamics.

3. Bio Dark-matter: Bio-axions for ELF biophoton emissions 

They are different things explaining different phenomena. Axions have theoretical basis and mathematical evidence. Bio Dark-matter is axion-like. It is stipulated to explain the origin and different emission/sq.cm/s across the taxa, via bio-axion chemical bonds [The chemical energy in bioluminiscence of fireflies comes from molecules of adenosine triphosphate (ATP)which living cells use to store and transfer energy. Enzyme luciferase has an active role here. The biophoton energy is way below this type of chemical energy].

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The major problem evolution has is the direct opposition to major monotheist religions and usurping God's power of creation. The ideas are simple, living organisms largely depend on their environment and interactions among themselves to survive, if poorly fitted then their chances get simpler and with competition from other organisms could eventually drive them to extinction.

First comes mutation, which are random changes in the transfer of genes from the parents to the offsprings and accounts for the uniqueness for every organism even humans. Both parents contribute half of the chromosomes of their offsprings and yet they all look different, with different fingerprints, even in some traits. Mutations could either be advantageous or disadvantageous.

Little drops of water makes a mighty ocean, these changes though are not dramatic could eventually result to a completely different organism. A pool of genetic changes could easily give rise to new species.

Evolution explains why rabbit, human, cow, lion fossils are not found dated about 100million years ago. The connection among all organisms. . .

As a religion, it confronts religions and shakes their foundations. But it method is still on falsification and verifiability, conclusions are drawn from a compilation of evidence and surprisingly this simple idea a 19th century has prevailed against all odds.

Noetics:

"Apr 20, 2008 , Ben Stein's new film, Expelled, should be seen by anyone interested in the new Dark Age of totalitarianism which seems to be creeping , www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/04/post_83.html ". There are very serious incidents of this sort happening all the time everywhere inthe West. "No questions asked"- period.

That movie expelled actually is rubbish. I would be interested in actually seeing the points that make you think the movie is good.

Noetics:

The most unscientific position that anyone can take any time anywhere is this:

1. Evolution is a FACT

Yes it actually is a fact.

Noetics:

2. No questions can be asked on that

This is false. Questions are regularly asked on the mechanisms of evolution.

Noetics:

3. If you question you will be punished

This depends on how reasonable your question is. e.g one cannot actually take a medical doctor seriously who doubts the fact that germs cause disease in humans. Besides, how are they punished?

Noetics:

4. Depending on the class level: Shamed, labelled, "usually "F" grade, no recommendations or Expelled.

See above. I still think ignoring wrong beliefs in science (especially when they've been clearly demonstrated) is a better option than say burning someone publicly at the stake.

Noetics:

5. The immediate and invariable accusation is "Fundamentalism"!!

A vast majority of people who deny the theory of evolution are very religious.

Noetics:

There are thousands, perhaps millions, of publications and utterances almost deifying Darwinism, but where is ONE SINGLE SOLITARY peer reviewed paper criticizing the basic assumptions- beliefs- of this hypothesis. For example, homology means descent is not an axiom of science- but no questions asked.

Could you please present three out of these millions of publications? Have you actually looked at the evidence in support of the theory? I don't think you get the idea that homology means descent from the theory of evolution.

Noetics:

It is not the authority of the reviewing scientist(s) which is in question, but the establishment policies based on an imposed belief system called Evolutionism which is dangerous. The recent appearance of a couple of Books by academics, laying bare the fallacies, is good. But, they are summarily rejected by the establishment.

This is a false equivalence. Science does not progress by imposed beliefs and calling the theory of evolution "evolutionism" is plainly an attempt at self deception. You may wish to know that the theory has advanced beyond Darwin's proposal. Why don't you actually list the salient points from the books of these academics?

Noetics:

Science is: Experiment/Observation, Critical Analysis, Inference & Coclusion.

1. There is no way an experiment can be performed to determine whether an event actually took place millions/billions of years ago.

We can tell that some things happened millions of years ago by inference. It's right up there in your summary of science. e.g I can tell that you had great grand parents even if you never met them.

Noetics:

2. Not one evolving organism exists anywhere. No valid missing link is ever found in the fossils, though Darwin expected it will be rampant in every backyard, so much so "punctuated equilibrium" had to be added to Darwinism to make it even remotely appear factual.

This is plainly false because there are examples of evolution. What would you consider a missing link? I ask because museums are full of the fossils and casts of human descent from other ape like organisms. Scientific theories unlike religious dogma actually get modified with better information. This is how humans are supposed to learn and act.

Noetics:

3. All review processes simply accept this highly questionable hypothesis as a universally true theory.

Yes and with good reason. It's up to you to learn the reasons.

Noetics:

4. Life comes from life, not dead matter

This has nothing to do with evolution.

Noetics:

5. The "peers" have become a "magisterium" of "priests" on faith and morals of Scientism. No experimentation is needed, no critical analysis is permissible unless it CONFORMS. Just the authority of the self-taught Naturalist Darwin and what was always known as "his bulldogs", the radical Huxley family in England, is all that matters!!

Another false equivalence. Could you present the names of three of these peers that you wish to compare to priests? The experiments and critical analysis have been done and they clearly demonstrate the facts behind the theory of evolution.

Noetics:

That is not science. It is a fundamentalist man-made, State ordained, religion. This religion and its adherents such as Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc have been extremely destructive. Survival of the fittest is a myth which slaughtered over 160 million "innocent" people in wars and over 50 million innocent babies in wombs!! It is just about going to destroy all of human civilization, particularly the most brilliant and productive of the past 500 plus years!!

Best regards

Can you please present three states that have evolution as their state religions? Actually, this reference to bad characters and abortion (which is actually legal in some places) is part of the misinformation spread by the movie.
This is actually three fallacies committed in a short paragraph. The above statements commit the poisoning the well, emotional appeal and guilt by association fallacies. The statements poison the well in trying to link evolution with non-religious state actors (though Hitler was religious and did not actually agree with Darwin's theory, and some of the others did not agree with the theory of evolution), then the emotional appeal by pointing at the large numbers of deaths and the association by linking the phrase "survival of the fittest" to the attempt of eugenics by Hitler. This is not a good way to present a rational argument.

Noetics:

http://biodarkmatter/index.htm

Bioaxions & Extraordinary Materialism

Bio DARK-MATTER
Axion-like Particles Extraordinary Materialism

Where matter exists, chemistry also exists. Axion particles may yield axion chemistry, involving monopoles also in the place of electric charges. Electrons, protons and neutrons may have corresponding axion particles. Just as electrons are universal constituents of all matter, axion-like particles parallel to electrons may be universal constituents of the biosphere. In addition, animals will have axions parallel to protons also. Humans will have axions parallel to neutrons as an additional third component. The most stable (the least reactive) dark-matter body exists only in humans. Plants will have the least stable dark bodies. Animals come in between. The interaction of the "dark" and "light" chemical bonds can produce extremely low (ELF) photons.

Evidences:

1. ELF Biophoton energies much lower than the lowest known bio/chemical energies
2. Biophoton emission rates per sq.cm/second are 10 times more in plants than humans
3. Magnetic fields are negligibly small in plants, but measurable in animals and significant in humans
4. Stability factors predict an emission rate ratio in agreement with experimental data
5. A rational physical explanation of paranormal phenomena

Corollaries:
1."Channeling" is possible by dark-matter entities already at a higher energy
2. Decopling at death leaves the "dark body" dormat at a relatively negative energy state ( - E= mC^2 ).
3. Quickening is possible by a vast external energy source.
4. Paranormal phenomena depends on the extent of dissociation between "light" and "dark" chemical bonds
5. Artificially induced paranormal events may occur in a resonant magnetic field.

Recent Publications:

This part of your post is quite I don't know what to call it. I'm not sure that it will qualify to be called pseudo science. You just have some weird statements sprinkled with scientific terminologies.
And for some reason, the page you linked to will not open.