tobtap: The church came into being after d resurection of our lord jesus..so I guess he said to d man to give his tinz to d poor..since d bible said wen u give to d poor u give to God.

I have a question for the Tithe teachers, according to the verse above , Jesus asked the young rich man to sell all he had and give the money to the poor . Can you explain why he did not ask this rich man to give his money to the temple or 'church building' or the salaries for the priests etc ?

We see another parallel with Zaccheus who after repenting gave half of his goods to the poor and not to the church or temple.Why not to the temple or priests ?

ProPastorChris: @ OP

On point.


my first question to you is this: why do you treat that scripture in isolation, rather you should deal with the whole context (this shows you motive).

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Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.


first, there is no tithe preacher rather there are preachers of the Word. leave it or take it!
second, do you know anything called rhema? its God's word specifically for you at a particular time, for a particular purpose. did you notice the guys reaction? the guy was a "super glue" who rather than give to the poor talk more of the temple would hoard his money and notice how the bible described his reaction. Jesus gave the guy the solution to his life long problem of being selfish and self-centered.


below is the story you quoted:
Luk 19:1 And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho.
Luk 19:2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.
Luk 19:3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.
Luk 19:4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.
Luk 19:5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.
Luk 19:6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.
Luk 19:7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.
Luk 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Luk 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

can't you se from the story that Zach, even with his wealth and popularity sought with all his might to see the Master because as at that time in Jerusalem, Jesus was the household name and zach being a jew working for the romans had incurred the hatred of his kinsmen, so he sought to straighten that out by catching the attention of the Master paradventure, this might go down well with his folks. but Jesus shocked the guy and the teeming crowd when he said he would dine with the tax collector! zach was so shocked that he bursted out with that "benevolent" promise meanwhile Jesus was not moved by it rather he stuck to his mission of getting him saved. remember, giving to the poor was a part of the jewish practice.

........to be continued have to attend a meeting

a dinner was given in Jesus’ honor. Martha served, while Lazarus was among those reclining at the table with him.

3 Then Mary took about a pint[a] of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected,

5 “Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.

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john 12

LifeIsSweet: Brother Frosbel, i am more agnostic than a christian such as yourself, but there are some universal laws that work no matter your faith. I am going to be vulgar, very vulgar in this thread.

The year i moved away from paying tithes and offerings and waiting for God to open the windows of heaven, but rather using that money to meet the needs of my neighbors, that same year i made an obscene amount of money. I have only gone from strength to strength and in less than five years, more like 3 years i have given out about a 100 million naira to the needy.

All those years i spent paying tithes and offerings and waiting for the lord to bless me, nothing happened. Present day christians are so gullible, and are being reaped off left and right by their pastors, it is sometimes painful to watch. The sad truth is that year after year they still remain the same in their finances, or only improve slightly, but most will become poorer because their pastors have collected the little they have. The funny thing is that this same christians will not give that money to the needy but will rather give the money to the church to buy their miracles. No wonder God is not listening to them anymore.

These are the same people that will come to this thread and warn you about stealing from God. What an irony.

EasyNaija.com:
Spot on. This is something i've been stressing on for a long time now.

The only thing that would cause me to support giving so much money to churches is if the churches themselves act as a medium for distributing the offerings to the needy, but the truth is that most of them do not.

You know, if they did stuff like... Prepare packaged food to be distributed to beggars, Build a public home for the homeless, Buy new support aids for the disabled e.t.c, and other things that we cannot do on our own individually, then maybe they'll get that credit.

If they prepared food for the beggars around them at least once a day, the beggars would have that one hope of survival.
These people actually die of hunger you know..., like the one I saw under someone's car one day, he looked like he weighed less than a skeleton, like as if his body has fed off all the fat he had and was now eating into the bone. He didn't even have the energy to know if he was alive or dead. He was just laying there motionless, eyes open, staring at the sky, N20 in his right hand (God bless whoever put that there).
A lot of us who were waiting at the ATM machine had thought he was dead until he slightly dragged one arm across the ground and tried to raise his head. The guy standing close to me said "If anybody wan go there carry am now e go turn to police matter". That was when it occured to me that this man would die there. The owner of the car finally arrived and tried unsuccessfully to persuade him out of there. He lost patience then got into the car and drove off, one of the tires brushed the man's temple and scraped off the skin there. I still cannot get that image out of my head. One girl standing with me at the ATM machine screamed and almost cried.

A few sundays ago, I laughed when my church announced they made 60million from the previous harvest and how they have deposited it into their bank account.

How rich you are is dependent on how many people you have fed.

You just earned yourself a follower bro.

Yvete: Great read!

Since last year, we've been contemplating on tithing at Church ever since I heard stories about flamboyant Pastors and private jets. I had lengthy discussions with my family about this issue and I may have to start donating my tithes to Christian charity organizations. Yea, I could offer whatever my spirit leads me to give on a Sunday morning to support the Church. Sometimes, we get scared of doing the wrong things, but let the Holy Spirit guide us. Showing love and compassion for someone's need, shows respect for Gods creation.

I get tired of hearing money, money, money at Church every time.

tobtap: The church came into being after d resurection of our lord jesus..so I guess he said to d man to give his tinz to d poor..since d bible said wen u give to d poor u give to God.