CAN SCIENCE HELP US IN OUR DECISION?

THE BIBLE GETS COSMOLOGY COMPLETELY WRONG!

Genesis 1:3-5 There was evening and morning one day. This statement indicates that the first thing created was the day and night. However, we know that day and night would come after the existence of the sun and through its rise and set. However, verse 14 from the same chapter indicates that the sun was created on the fourth day, God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. Genesis 1:11 states that vegetations, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees were created on the third day: But we know that vegetations and plants could not grow without sun, while Genesis 1:16 tells us that the sun was created on the fourth day. Moreover, Genesis Chapter 2 contradicts the first chapter. The first chapter has stated that vegetations and plants and the trees were created on the third day, before the creation of man, who was created on the sixth day; however, Genesis Chapter 2:5-9 tells us that man was created before vegetation and plants

Moreover, Genesis 1:14-19 describes the creation of the sun, moon and stars on the fourth day, after the creation of the earth on the third day. Our modern knowledge of the formation of the solar system does not allow us to state that the sun, moon, and stars came into being after the creation of the earth. Scientists tell us that stars eventually exploded and recondensed over numerous cycles, forming the heavy elements that LATER condensed into the earth.



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THE QURAN GETS COSMOLOGY COMPLETELY CORRECT!

THE BIG BANG CAME FIRST According to scientists, the big bang is how the universe began.

Quran 21:30 Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, but we have opened them. Translation M.H. Shakir, Yusaf Ali

THEN CAME A VAPOR/GAS THAT WAS DESTINED TO BE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH DURING THIS OPEN STATE - Scientists tell us that after the big bang, plasma formed and later cooled to gases (helium and hydrogen).

Quran 41:11 Moreover, he directed himself to the heaven and it was a vapor. Yusaf Ali



THE CREATION OF THE HEAVENS: Scientists tell us that eventually, the gases condensed into stars.

Quran 41:12 So he ordained them seven heavens in two periods, and revealed in every heaven its affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars and made it to guard; that is the decree of the Mighty, the knowing. -Translation M.H. Shakir



THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE- Scientists claim that the universe is expanding.

Quran 51:47 With power and skill did we construct the heaven: For it is we who expand the vastness of Space. -Translation Yusaf Ali, Maurice Bucaille



EARTH IS COMPLETED AFTER THE HEAVENS - Scientists tell us that stars eventually exploded and recondensed over numerous cycles, forming the heavy elements that LATER condensed into the earth.

Quran 79:27-30 Are you the harder to create or the heaven? He made it. He raised high its height, then put it into a right good state. And he made dark its night and brought out its light (i.e. stars). And the earth, he expanded it AFTER that. -Translation M.H. SHAKIR



SCIENCE 102) THE BIBLE SAYS THE EARTH IS FLAT!

Isaiah 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel , and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (RSV)

Luke 4:5 The devil led him up to a high mountain and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. (NIV) Jesus is said to be capable of seeing all the Kingdoms of Earth from the top of a really tall place. Of course, this would be impossible if the Earth was spherical. Christopher Columbus almost suffered a mutiny in the 15th century because his crew feared falling over the edge of the Earth.

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THE QURAN SAYS THE EARTH IS ROUND!

Quran, 79:30: God created heaven, and after that he round shaped the earth. -Translation M.H. Shakir

The Arabic word being translated here Dahaha is translated as "expand;" however, it has another meaning in the Arabic language and that is round shaped or egg shaped.



SCIENCE 103) THE BIBLE SAYS THE SUN IS MOVING AROUND THE EARTH

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)

"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)

"And the sun stood still...So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day." (From the NIV Bible, Joshua 10:13 ) This verse reports that the sun stood still so Joshua could finish all of his killing before darkness came. This implies that the sun had to have been moving in the first place in order for it to in any way come to a stop

Then the prophet Isaiah called upon the Lord, and the Lord made the shadow go back the ten steps it had gone down on the stairway of Ahaz. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 20:11 ) An equally ridiculous notion in the Bible is that the sun went backwards 10 degrees on the sundial one day - again implying that the sun moved, stopped, reversed, stopped, then proceeded forward again.

Not only does the Bible support a moving sun - it was simply common sense. Only a fool would look up at the sky and say that the sun did not move! These phenomena are simply due to Earth?s rotation and NOT by Sun?s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun?s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth?s gravity. Does the bible ever mention that the earth or any other planet rotates, like the Quran does? The answer regrettably for Christians and Jews is no.

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THE QURAN SAYS THE EARTH IS ROTATING

Quran, 21:33

"It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) rotate (falak), each in their celestial spheres." Yusaf Ali, M.H. Shakir



The Arabic word "falak" used for planets and planets' movements in Verse 21:33 means rotation or movement. The Quran states that all celestial bodies including the earth rotate.?

http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/BiblevsQuran.html

Striktlymi, davidylan, deepsight, anony etc here is your chance to be champions.

Both the quaran and the bible contains crude cosmology but its not my fight.

ooman, in the piece above, it is clearly stated that Quran is absolutely right on the issue of cosmology. Did you just wish to discredit Quran? Please include Frosbel and Jo in your invitation ;Dooman, in the piece above, it is clearly stated that Quran is absolutely right on the issue of cosmology. Did you just wish to discredit Quran? Please include Frosbel and Jo in your invitation

I'm an atheist, so when you say the Bible is wrong on cosmology I agree with you, however, the Quran is equally wrong.

Thanks to the internet, anyone can now easily look up websites devoted to showing why both the Quran and Bible cannot make any claim to science. There are children's books which have far more specific information and presented much more clearly than anything in the Quran or Bible (and doesn't the Quran say that it is clear?? lol)

So, yeah, google it and you'll find out why atheists don't believe the 'science' of the Quran or Bible.

ooman4: Striktlymi, davidylan, deepsight, anony etc here is your chance to be champions.

Both the quaran and the bible contains crude cosmology but its not my fight.

Champion ke?

I never knew quran is a text to study cosmology...anyways the bible is not a text book

AbuHanifa: ooman, in the piece above, it is clearly stated that Quran is absolutely right on the issue of cosmology. Did you just wish to discredit Quran? Please include Frosbel and Jo in your invitation ;Dooman, in the piece above, it is clearly stated that Quran is absolutely right on the issue of cosmology. Did you just wish to discredit Quran? Please include Frosbel and Jo in your invitation

Hey, you don't want to indulge me. I have read the quran and I know what it says. Its cosmology is nothing but simple observation by eastern people. Its biology is also a debacle. So just shut up and go to the islam section, I cant get blown up by you.

striktlymi:

Champion ke?

I never knew quran is a text to study cosmology...anyways the bible is not a text book

So you will not defend the bible?

ooman4:

So you will not defend the bible?

On cosmology?? Nah!!!

If I want to argue about cosmology I know the text to read. But since the OP implies that the quran is a good study text to use may be I might just read that too

ooman4:

Hey, you don't want to indulge me. I have read the quran and I know what it says. Its cosmology is nothing but simple observation by eastern people. Its biology is also a debacle. So just shut up and go to the islam section, I cant get blown up by you.

what is the proof that it is simple observation of eastern people? Name the people, any evidence?

AbuHanifa: what is the proof that it is simple observation of eastern people? Name the people, any evidence?

Because it does not contain any deep revelation of the universe. Its more or less same thing with the bible. The bible even beats it by a well arranged creation account which is why i spend my time debunking the bible and never quran. Besides, the quran is not a cosmology textbook, so you can't say it got its cosmology right because then, you have destroyed the integrity of the book.

Have you even asked yourself why atheists neglected muslims? Its because you people and your quran is damaged beyond repair. we have therefore left you in the dust being.

As an atheist, i only feel threatened by biblical creation, i dont feel threatened by quran's explanation, except where it says that you must kill all non muslims and when you cannot kill them, you must support those who do with your heart.

According to Al-Baqarah V190, especially the footnote under it, Muslims are obligated to kill, and must take part in Jihad, Jihad being of ultimate importance in Islam, with full numbers and weaponry. Anyone who doesn’t dies as a hypocrite. According to the second footnote, Jihad is the third best deed advice by Muhammad. According to surah 9v36, Jihad should be fought on the 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months.

isnt that one of the months that you people carried out 9/11 attack on USA? isnt that the time that you boko harams hurt Nigeria most?

Shouldn't you be in Al-Qaeda right now, learning how to be a terrorist? or are you an internet terrorist? or maybe you are already a certified terrorist!

ooman4:

Because it does not contain any deep revelation of the universe. Its more or less same thing with the bible. The bible even beats it by a well arranged creation account which is why i spend my time debunking the bible and never quran. Besides, the quran is not a cosmology textbook, so you can't say it got its cosmology right because then, you have destroyed the integrity of the book.

Have you even asked yourself why atheists neglected muslims? Its because you people and your quran is damaged beyond repair. we have therefore left you in the dust being.

As an atheist, i only feel threatened by biblical creation, i dont feel threatened by quran's explanation, except where it says that you must kill all non muslims and when you cannot kill them, you must support those who do with your heart.

According to Al-Baqarah V190, especially the footnote under it, Muslims are obligated to kill, and must take part in Jihad, Jihad being of ultimate importance in Islam, with full numbers and weaponry. Anyone who doesn’t dies as a hypocrite. According to the second footnote, Jihad is the third best deed advice by Muhammad. According to surah 9v36, Jihad should be fought on the 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months.

isnt that one of the months that you people carried out 9/11 attack on USA? isnt that the time that you boko harams hurt Nigeria most?

Shouldn't you be in Al-Qaeda right now, learning how to be a terrorist? or are you an internet terrorist? or maybe you are already a certified terrorist!

You missed it again. Can you answer the question above. Please dont derail the thread. thanks

AbuHanifa: You missed it again. Can you answer the question above. Please dont derail the thread. thanks

is this not enough answer for you?

ooman4: Because it does not contain any deep revelation of the universe. Its more or less same thing with the bible. The bible even beats it by a well arranged creation account which is why i spend my time debunking the bible and never quran. Besides, the quran is not a cosmology textbook, so you can't say it got its cosmology right because then, you have destroyed the integrity of the book.

ooman4:
is this not enough answer for you?

THE QURAN SAYS THE EARTH IS ROTATING
Quran, 21:33
"It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the
moon: all (the celestial bodies) rotate (falak), each in their celestial
spheres." Yusaf Ali, M.H. Shakir
The Arabic word "falak" used for planets and planets' movements in
Verse 21:33 means rotation or movement. The Quran states that all
celestial bodies including the earth rotate.? Wrong? Is Quran discussing Carpentary there?

AbuHanifa: THE QURAN SAYS THE EARTH IS ROTATING
Quran, 21:33
"It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the
moon: all (the celestial bodies) rotate (falak), each in their celestial
spheres." Yusaf Ali, M.H. Shakir
The Arabic word "falak" used for planets and planets' movements in
Verse 21:33 means rotation or movement. The Quran states that all
celestial bodies including the earth rotate.? Wrong? Is Quran discussing Carpentary there?

1. The Bible also state that God stretches the sky over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing. Job 26v7

THIS ONE SINGLE VERSE BEATS EVERYTHING THE QURAN EVER CONTAINED.
ANYBODY CAN DEDUCT THE EARTH IS ROTATING BECAUSE THE POSITION OF STARS DO CHANGE, AS YOUR QURAN CLAIM.
BUT YOU CAN NEVER DEDUCT THE EARTH HANGS ON NOTHING EXCEPT YOU ARE REALLY WISE. THAT IS HOW THE BIBLE BEATS THE QURAN A QUINTILLION TIMES

AND THIS IS WHY IT WAS SIMPLE MEN WHO WROTE THE QURAN, BUT IT WAS WISE MEN, FROM WHOM EINSTEIN CAME, WHO WROTE THE BIBLE.

2. Quran 21v30 says that "Have not those who disbelief known that the heavens and earth were joined together as one united piece, then we parted them? and we have made from water every living thing, will they not then belief?

According to the verse above, the Quran suggested that the universe and earth were eternal and that they had no beginning and that THEY WERE JOINED. It implies that earth was separated from heaven when they, yours gods, came.

Contrary to that, the Bible told us that everything had a beginning.

Lastly, what does science tell us? That the universe had a beginning and that it was never joined with any earth. I can go on and on but it makes no difference to me.

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