VillageBoi: Till today 'Festen (The celebration)' is one of my favourite films.

Cine:

^^
It's a classic example of great screenwriting. Shows what you can do when shooting on even a 'rubbish' camera. 'Mifune's last song' and 'the idiots' are also brilliant dogme films.

I can sit down with my 7 yr old nephew and watch any Pixar film be it Toy Story, Finding Nemo, Cars, Up, Wall e, and we can both really enjoy them because the stories are just excellent on every level.

I'd love to see a City of God style movie made in the Lagos slums. A good Nigerian crime film, with the same socio political/historical subtext. Do we have the craftsmen and technicians to weave such a tale as expertly as the city of god: not yet. But am sure in time we will. I mean Phone Swap is a huge improvement on the unwatchable rubbish on African Magic.

naves: This questions has been bothering me for some time now.

Most music video are better in location, camera resolution, graphics, creativity, storyline, plot etc than the home movies.

Why is this so/what could be the reason? or is it that the music video directors are better than the home video directors?

Pls, help me shed some light on this issue. . . .

VillageBoi:
Not just Naija... practically every country has better music videos than feature films. Without breaking it down they are easier to make.

donclemo:
i wonder what movies you are watching

VillageBoi:

Not really. Depends what you actually mean by 'better'. There is more to it than the basic sentence I wrote at the start of the thread. In the 'West' music videos are much better than feature films (we're talking high-end music videos). One of the reasons is - that is where a lot of new directors, producers and so on channel in a lot of creativity to showcase 'what they can do'. Music videos are also important 'calling cards'. Why because everyone wants to get into the big money world of 'feature films'. It is so much easier to throw everything in your arsenal into a 3-5min music video.

The music video world and the advertising world have a lot of the same players including highly creative people that put very serious thought into projects. Ok let's even remove music videos that can also be any rubbish bikini-booty bouncing to music. It is harded to make a (this is the keyword) 'brilliant' 30 sec, 60 sec ad or 3-5, 5-10 min short film than it is to make a feature film. Forget the visual 'quality' of feature films... there is a lot of stuff that we over-look and easily forgive during the 2hrs we spend watching the film... stuff that we will never forgive if it is in an ad, music video or short film.

all4naija:
I think you are just trying to play around with that. The best technology in video shooting and productions are used in the movies industry to produce the high quality movies. These are films with vast intensive production processes that gulp millions of dollars on equipment(Hollywood would come to mind). The music videos are cheap and rudimentary. There are no high budget plans put into such production, the reason the quality is usually poor and can be done by anybody with regular video cameras.

If you have visited movies studios before you would know what I am talking about. Many music videos are sometime awarded to some section of the movies production team,they will not put serious effort into them as movies. Music videos are not usually the high end budge production section of any the movie studio.

VillageBoi:
1) Not really. Depends what you actually mean by 'better'.
2) It is harder to make a (this is the keyword) 'brilliant' 30 sec, 60 sec ad or 3-5, 5-10 min short film than it is to make a feature film.
£) Forget the visual 'quality' of feature films... there is a lot of stuff that we over-look and easily forgive during the 2hrs we spend watching the film... stuff that we will never forgive if it is in an ad, music video or short film.

VillageBoi:

You responded to my post by highlighting something I wrote which was the word 'brilliant'. I can immediately see what the issue here is. It's something that a lot of Nigerians do or think. When someone says good film, great film, brilliant stuff and so on a vast number think one thing... 'camera quality, it's HD and some blah, blah other gibberish.

I do not even care to mention technology because in this day and age it is more or less a redundant factor. Even your iPhone shoots 720p HD video... so please image capturing technology is not the issue in any way, shape or form. 'Last flight To Abuja' was shot on the Arri Alexa - did it look anything like an Alexa film? Absolutely not (and I still very much love the film). 'Phone Swap' was shot on the 35mm film... would you have guessed by watching it? Nope. In a different post on this thread I mentioned "If something 'LOOKS' filmic or not. Feel free to trust me on this (or not lol) but there is so much more to the 'whole' package of making a 'brilliant' film... much more than filming with some of the best cameras on the planet, which actually are all available in nigeria, be it Red Epics, Alexas, real film (not that I know why anyone in nigeria would want to shoot on film stock other than for 'bragging rights' that we so love). Nollywood has only just started to scratch the tip of the surface of what is possible.

I have visited film studios and I still don't know you're talking about. It is highly doubtful that any of the majors are asked or hired to do anything with music videos... and if you go into the history of music videos you will find that the major recording studios used to spend a mind-blowing fortune on videos for their major stars. Some still cost quite a lot -

List of most expensive music videos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_music_videos

Now that you have pointed us in the direction of what you meant when you said 'Better'. I'll just take it that you didn't really understand these parts of my post added below.

all4naija: You see! Your link just proved my point. Mind you, those are some of the highest cost produced music videos in history. The directors of 70%(guessing by using their names) of those music videos are movie directors. In my previous comment, I said some of these music videos are awarded to some section of the movie industries. In the studios where many are produced all the amount spend in producing the movies together in your link can not pay for half of the equipment of movie studios. I can still remember one time MGM studio was worth over 2 billions dollars. That speak a lot about its equipment which is the most pronounced thing to carry out productions.

The fact remains movies are of better qualities than music videos. I can say much of Nigerians as I don't know much about who are doing the production of the music videos and movies.

VillageBoi:
One of the reasons is - that is where a lot of new directors, producers and so on channel in a lot of creativity to showcase 'what they can do'. Music videos are also important 'calling cards'.

naves:
Most music video are better in location, camera resolution, graphics, creativity, storyline, plot etc than the home movies.
Why is this so/what could be the reason? or is it that the music video directors are better than the home video directors?

I think you are just trying to play around with that. The best technology in video shooting and productions are used in the movies industry to produce the high quality movies. These are films with vast intensive production processes that gulp millions of dollars on equipment(Hollywood would come to mind). The music videos are cheap and rudimentary. There are no high budget plans put into such production, the reason the quality is usually poor and can be done by anybody with regular video cameras.

If you have visited movies studios before you would know what I am talking about. Many music videos are sometime awarded to some section of the movies production team,they will not put serious effort into them as movies. Music videos are not usually the high end budge production section of any the movie studio.

VillageBoi: @ all4naija Also remember as most people that have been kind enough to comment have mentioned music videos are much shorter and explained why that makes them 'better'/ easier to make. Add the fact that half of the 'product' has already been made - the music/song, whatever we want to call it and that already is a 'story' thay may come with a sequence, proposition, plot, emotion and so on.

Cine:

What do you mean by the "quality is usually poor". Technically? Conceptually

The budgets are relative. Most Hollywood budgets go towards marketing and paying star actors. The equipments usually the same as that on a music vid. Slumdog Millionaire for example has sequences that were shot entirely on the 5D. You wouldn't know.

There are some absolutely great music vids and music vid directors working and creating some of the best concepts in the moving image medium. See: Romain Gavras, martin de thurah, the DANIELS....

all4naija: The equipment use in the production of these media is what is a proof of what the quality is going to be.

The quality of some movies is so superb it doesn't fit into normal storage media most times (as against the size of the movies). I doubt you too have carried out any research on that before coming here to list plot,emotion, sequence,etc as evidences of better quality, which is a complete faux of popularly heard idea.

all4naija: We are talking about videos quality not just what the video is about.

VillageBoi:
First let's not talk about gear cos guaranteed you're not a 'gearphile'.
Secondly, as you're contuinually missing the basic point, good luck trying to figure things out for yourself. Maybe, just maybe one day you might.



No one has been talking about video quality... there really is no difference between movies and music videos when it comes to that.

all4naija: ]That is not practically true. Movies industry upgrade their technology with most movies as the effects and quality of the movies really matter, as they are going to be put into different formats. From imax to ultra high definition video formats which most music video(they are usually done by 'independent film')

Cine:

No no no no.

Granted most music videos are shot on Red Camera or the Alexa (or a comparable digital camera by sony or panasonic) here's a small list of Hollywood films shot on the Red camera (the same fucking camera we use here in Nigeria to shoot music vids):

thor, flight, get the gringo, parker, prometheus, the amazing spider man, magic mike, underworld awakening, lol, haywire, red state, margin call, pirates of the carribean, the social network, district 9, green zone, book of eli, and che to name just a few.

here's a very long list of films shot on red:
http://www.red.com/shot-on-red

Here's another very long list of films shot on the all the above cameras I mentioned including the alexa which is very popular on music vids:
[url] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_shot_in_digital[/url]

Post Production is a different process from production. Most movies nowadays produce *'cheaper' DCPs (digital cinema packages). Imax films are not shot on Imax cameras because they're too expensive and very noisy on set which would ruin the sound. The dark knight rises only shot the action scenes on the imax camera all those other films you see in imax, have been retrograded to super 35mm and basically enlarged and stretched to fill a large part of the screen....(never the whole screen, if you notice films like the watchmen and harry potter screened on the imax screen only fill half the screen because they haven't been shot on the required 70mm) like a helluva lot of 3D films aren't shot on 3D cameras, they're retrograded in post production to 3D, so they can charge you more money at the cinema.

The production processes of music vids and films are very much the same in terms of the technology and talent used.
And ultra high definition are 4k television screens/ next gen televisions. or UHDTV. Judging by the way you threw that term in there I'm not sure you know that.


*no longer need to print to expensive 35mm film as most cinemas around the world including nigeria have digital projectors and no longer project using film.

all4naija: At least, these DMR movies have been enhanced to fit into the imax screen for views. I don't think music videos can be said of that.

all4naija: On 3D camera it is only in the movies industry it has been tested, as in the case of Born To Be wild. So, the truth still remains movies possess the right to quality moving images than music's.

all4naija: ...even leaving out imax and its 3D remarks here, the editors use some of the best editing tools out there to refine them to the best formats available.

VillageBoi:
Why would someone DMR a music video? Have you ever been to the cinema for the sole purpose of watching a music video? Your point there would be the same as saying one should drink tea or fanta with a fork.


How very, very wrong you are. There are a ton of music videos out there shot in 3D... which by the way has nothing to do with 'quality'.


Both music videos and films are edited on the exact same systems.

It does, sadly, become a pointless exercise if you are going to state thigs as 'fact/proof of your argument' if you actually don't know what you are talking about. Remeber this is 2013... even in the village you cannot pull the wool over an akara seller's eyes - dude she will pull out her phone and google it for herself. Ok, fair enough... many people won't actually do the research but it is best not to spread misinformation... even with good intentions.

The fact and major problem here remains you still have not understood what was meant by the the words 'batter' & 'quality'.

all4naija: Yes, DMR videos is of far quality than standard 35mm format.

all4naija: If you can give example of music videos shot on 3D camera, I much obliged.

all4naija: As to your assertion that both images are filmed and edited on same system, which is contradictory to DMR process we have mentioned here.

all4naija: In other way, the quality issue stemmed from argument somebody put forward which you are now using against me to pass your point across that I am now trying to pull a wool across people eyes, indirectly.

VillageBoi:
Please stop as you are so horribly embarrassing yourself. One cannot even start to have a half logical conversation with you.
A) Now there is proof that you do NOT even know what DMR is (when I earlier mentioned it, I did so thinking you knew what the other poster 'Cine' was talking about, as DMR for cinema purposes) - Since you do have to go to the very basic of basics; DMR has nothing to do with quality, it's just a media player. Like saying a VHS machine, a DVD player and so on. If you want to play the lowest quality youtube video on a DMR machine you CAN. I will not even bother explaining to you why DMR was introduced to cinemas (which is what we thought you would have had an idea about - duh, obviously not). First start a bit of your very basic education here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_media_receiver
B) You just manage to hear words or phrases here and there then you run into this forum saying you 'know', because you consider we other Nigerians to be so bush & dumb that we don't know how to use the Internet, or do any reading/studying at all. I am saying, for a fact, you know NOTHING! NADA! ZILCH!!
(Mind you the last sentence above has already been said so many times as it is glaringly clear to see you cannot even comprehend the 'context' in which 'better' & 'quality' fell into in this thread.)


Seriously? You couldn't look it up yourself? Ok make I dash you -
There are a few in this article - http://www.creativebloq.com/best-music-videos-2012-1212301
This 2nd link also shows one (chei, even plenti foto dey inside for you to look), it is, however, not the first as someone mentions as far back as 2007 music videos had 3D - http://www.dashwood3d.com/blog/worlds-first-3d-music-video-shot-with-arris-alexa-camera/

*For the record* - things are shot in 3D not on 3D - it isn't a format, it's basically a 'style' of shooting. One that filmmakers have been copying from photography since about 1915.


Again, you do not have the foggiest idea of what you are talking about. (refer to above)


Infact let's change what I said to "You ARE trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes DIRECTLY."

Now even if for some reason we want to debate your one and only point 'Quality = Equipment ONLY!' There will then be absolutely no difference between music videos and films as they ARE, for the millionth time, shot & edited on the very same equipment.

My guy, seriously, enough of your ITK jargon.

all4naija: Hahaha DMR is now Digital Media Receiver. Why would I waste my time discussing Imax 'Digital Media Remastering' with you when you are taking it for something else?!
Adios, Amigo!

all4naija:
As to your second link it is even a test music shot. When did ARRI’S Alexa Camera become a 3D camera? The music video is shot on 3D doesn't mean they use 3D camera.In that link it was projected using Zeiss Master Prime lenses, the Stereo3D Tango beamsplitter rig, and Dashwood Cinema Solutions’s Stereo3D Live™ calibration/analysis software. Please, I don't know how to explain this to you because you don't just seem to get it.

VillageBoi:

Chei, so you think there is a camera that is specifically called 3D? Duh? ? ? Na toy 'consumera cameras they dey give that tag to. What do you think 3D is? Any camera can be used for 3D. All you do is attach 2 cameras to a 3D rig and you're shooting 3D... so simple.

all4naija: Blahblahblah... At least your handle speaks a lot about who you are.

I am expecting another of your funny response!

Adios,Amigo!

VillageBoi:

... Or build a camera with 'two eyes' ie lenses. All 3D is is shooting TWO different perspectives at the same time.

You will come back and say The Hobbit can't be 3D because Peter Jackson shot with Red Epics and James Cameron is a fraud because he used Red Epics as well. As said earlier on it's just a style of shooting (with 2 cameras at a time) that the studios love because they can charge much more for a ticket. With all honesty people don't even like 3D.