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In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by tobechi74: 11:49am On Mar 17, 2013 |
Having. Observed series of thread createdagainst catholic . I have decided to answer some misunderstanding on the issue. :- do CATHOLIC WORSHIP ANOTHER AS GOD ? No.Only God shud be worshiped BUT CATHOLICS Bow TO statue.DRAWING,PAINTING,Etc yes. To reflect on the life and behavior of such person on longer in existence. Exodus says DONT MAKE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE OR WHAT IS IN HEAVEN.ABOVE THE EARTH OR BELOW THE EARTH. Foot worship Or SERVE THEM Catholics dont break that command THeY DO before such command is broken,there must be three factors Making of images bowing to images worshiping images all three must be present THE BIBLE PROHIBIT USE OF IMAGES, no. God commanded making bronze snake. He is against bowing and worshiping. IS BOWING NOT THE SAME AS WORSHIPING? No. Lawyers any before judge and even call them my lord. Children prostate before their parents in western nigeria. Does this mean worship? No. 3 Likes |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 12:10pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
You are correct bro. |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 12:27pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
we are not fools. What do you call this ? |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 12:34pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
frosbel: we are not fools.praying in front of a statue . Does it means worship? Its a form of adoration, honor. !!! Study more dude. 1 Like |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Missonas(f): 1:41pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Lemme add dis,we have so many doctrines deeply rooted in d catholic faith dat if u nt 1 or even if u once were bt jst nevr got it ryt and u didnt ask d Holy spirit 2instruct u wud neva undrstand.hence d misinformatn and lack of true scriptural knowlegde of d catholic faith.God give us the grace to undrstand.AMEN. #Diehardromancatholic inr gboru: praying in front of a statue . Does it means worship? Its a form of adoration, honor. !!! Study more dude. |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by ijawkid(m): 2:12pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
These catholics take us for fools.....how can people walk up to marys statute,bow down to it and then[b]LIE[/b ] to the world that they aint engaging idolatry............ Can't the catholics leave that dead image alone??................. |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by ijawkid(m): 2:14pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
gboru: praying in front of a statue . Does it means worship? Its a form of adoration, honor. !!! Study more dude. Smh......... Why must you guys go to the statute and pray in the first place??.........leave the statutes alone...... Can't you imitate Jesus for once in your lives??........ |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 2:25pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
ijawkid: This is precisely my question. |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by raqueal(f): 2:34pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
I remember watching pillars of the earth, a movie from a novel by Ken Follet and so much fuss was made over relics. It just looked silly..they,(catholics) want relics, need to have a physical evidence of what they believe in. They aren't satisfied with praying to or through Mary(as they say), but still want to bow before her image. Take away the images and you've taken away the core of their belief. |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by enilove(m): 2:43pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
With eyes opened and brains intact, it is still not an idol worshipping to them. The bible says in Hosea 4:17 "Ephraim is joined to idols:let him alone." That means,they should stop preaching to him ,because he knew what he was doing. 2Tim 4:3"For d time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers,since they have itching ears; Homosexuality is no sin to the Catholic. Remember that the devil is knowledgeable and not foolish.He can give you everything praying to a dog even frog,as long as he has the soul of that person, but he cannot give you salvation. |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by BukkyDan(f): 2:49pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Another thread about Catholics again? Haaaa! |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 2:49pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Your so called Pentecostal churches print bible, Edit bible to suit their taste na lie? IF YOU BOW TO YOU KINGS AND QUEENS IN YOUR VILLAGES OR EVEN YOUR PARENTS THAT MEANS YOU WORSHIP THEM simple logic PRAYING IN FRONT OF A STATUE IS A SIGN OF REMEMBRANCE BOWING TO A STATUE IS A SIGN OF ADORATION RATHER RESPECT |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by tobechi20(m): 3:33pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
ijawkid: These catholics take us for fools.....how can people walk up to marys statute,bow down to it and then[b]LIE[/b ] to the world that they aint engaging idolatry............ i know a protestant girl who lost her mum . Each day, she wakes up, she greets d pics good morning. she would hug the enlarged pics of her mum. She would clean the image removing all the dirts. No öne dared speak a negative word about her. Insult her late mum, she get angry. She beats you or starts crying if she is in capable of beating you. But her mum was dead. What would you call that? 1 Like |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by tobechi20(m): 3:36pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
raqueal: I remember watching pillars of the earth, a movie from a novel by Ken Follet and so much fuss was made over relics. It just looked silly..they,(catholics) want relics, need to have a physical evidence of what they believe in. They aren't satisfied with praying to or through Mary(as they say), but still want to bow before her image.wrong. The image isnt the core of our belief. JESUS CHRIST IS |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 3:46pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
tobechi20: wrong. The image isnt the core of our belief. JESUS CHRIST ISthen why pray to the demonic image known as mary to u guys but really called the queen of heaven,ishtar,isis,semiramis etc?why usea a rosary?why burn incence?was jesus christ like that? |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 3:49pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
The truth has to be told, I love the Catholics so much that it's best to come out clean and say the truth. Catholicism is Pagan and has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. 3 Likes |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by vanstanzy(m): 3:50pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Thank you brother for opening up such a discussion. I too am a Catholic and find it rather amusing sometimes when other denominations claim we worship statues. I found it even very annoying when someone who is supposed to be a fellow Catholic opened his mouth and claimed Catholics worship Mary and her Statue. Just because he sees women rolling on the ground before the Statue. This is totally wrong, because noone is allowed to worship any other than God Himself. But one thing that friend of mine and people around fail to understand, hitherto some Catholics themselves, is that worship is a thing of the mind and noone can tell anothers mind except God. To the question of Catholics worshipping statues, Not at all. It's against the Catholic faith to worship anyone or anything but God. Catholics do honor Mary - because she followed God's will for her. We understand that all Mary can do comes from God and that she has no power on her own. She is a created being and not divine. Worship comes from the mind, heart and soul of a person - not from some outward action. Those who insist that what Catholics do has to be worship because it looks like it is to them means that person is setting themselves up at the same level of God. Only God knows a person's heart. This is the exact type of judgement Jesus preaches against in Matt. 1:7 and so the person is going directly against Christ's teachings. It also means that they are spreading gossip about someone else that goes against Pro. 19:5 and Ex 20:16. False worship is placing someone or something above God. That could money, power, our own convenience. That's far more common type of false worship than praying to Mary. Veneration is honoring someone/something but understanding that it is not equal to God and that all the power comes from God. They are very different things. In my experience, people who have a strong dedication to Mary have an even stronger dedication to God. They may be more comfortable outwardly expressing the honor for Mary/saints which can give people a false impression (especially those who are not familiar with a particular culture). The thing is - if one is really dedicated to Mary or the saints, Mary/saints are going to point the person to God. They are in heaven, perfectly united with God - that's part of what God wants them to do. Whereas if someone is overly dedicated to power, money or themselves - that's not leading anywhere close to God. Praying to Mary and the saints is about recognizing that ALL believers are part of the Body of Christ. One does not stop being part of the Body of Christ when one goes to heaven - in fact one becomes perfectly united with Christ. The bible teaches that believers are suppose to help and pray for each other - so God isn't going to prevent those in heaven from following Christ's teachings. Understanding that those in heaven can hear and help us isn't giving them powers equal to God - it's understanding that God does His will through His Body (which includes those in heaven). Source: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120718044528AAwElPe I rest my case... |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 3:52pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Why do Popes pray more to Mary than to GOD , even to the point of asking Mary for protection and not GOD ? This is simply the worship of the Queen of Heaven under the camouflage of Christianity. 1 Like |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 3:53pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Ask just about any Roman Catholic apologist if Catholics pray to saints or the pictures, medals, statues, etc., that bear their likeness and the answer you are most likely to receive will be a resounding, "No!" |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by vanstanzy(m): 4:00pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
The truth has got to be told though. As a practicing Catholic and born into a Catholic family, i have to say *i think* some Catholics get it wrong here cause throwing themselves in front of an image can be seen by all as Idolatry. But again who can judge? when noone can see anothers mind. When i appear before a Statue of Christ, i close my eyes and try to visualize on the Person of Christ, cos he's the One am praying to. Mods front page please i beg you all. |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by raqueal(f): 4:10pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Catholics are deep rooted in their belief and it's justification to the extent that nothing else makes sense. The rest of the body of christ, commune with God through faith. We don't need to see him, we don't need to hear him before we believe that he sees and hear us! And we sure don't need Mary to ask Jesus, to ask God to answer us. To each his own. I have tested and tried my own belief and I am satisfied. If you catholics can truly say same, then..Shalom. 1 Like |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 4:49pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
vanstanzy: Thank you brother for opening up such a discussion. I too am a Catholic and find it rather amusing sometimes when other denominations claim we worship statues. I found it even very annoying when someone who is supposed to be a fellow Catholic opened his mouth and claimed Catholics worship Mary and her Statue. Just because he sees women rolling on the ground before the Statue. This is totally wrong, because noone is allowed to worship any other than God Himself. But one thing that friend of mine and people around fail to understand, hitherto some Catholics themselves, is that worship is a thing of the mind and noone can tell anothers mind except God.help me with this https://www.nairaland.com/1104124/problem-catholism-an-introspection |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 4:49pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
vanstanzy: Thank you brother for opening up such a discussion. I too am a Catholic and find it rather amusing sometimes when other denominations claim we worship statues. I found it even very annoying when someone who is supposed to be a fellow Catholic opened his mouth and claimed Catholics worship Mary and her Statue. Just because he sees women rolling on the ground before the Statue. This is totally wrong, because noone is allowed to worship any other than God Himself. But one thing that friend of mine and people around fail to understand, hitherto some Catholics themselves, is that worship is a thing of the mind and noone can tell anothers mind except God.help me with this https://www.nairaland.com/1104124/problem-catholism-an-introspection |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Missonas(f): 5:08pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
*Picking ur my bible lyk ah do errday* Romans 8:27 apostle paul 'he who searches our hearts (believers) knws d mind of the spirit,because d spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will...'we pray directly to God as well vry much so bt if sum pple decide to go thru channels lyk d saints and the mother of God as lng as itz in conformity with God's will those prayers would be answerd because God answereth a sincere heart.ok take 4example u wrong ur dad and u apologise to him then u go ahead to cal ur mum and ur siblings and apologise and dey 2 beg on ur behalf.ur fathr had already 4given dat 1stym u bt u jst decided 2take ur mum&sibs along dat dnt mean u cant man up 2ur dad on ur own u jst decided 2go with then.also when we say d rosary we pray d our father and hail mary,both are in d bible. quote author=frosbel][/quote] |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by vanstanzy(m): 5:28pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Reyginus: help me with this Very interesting write-up. I am impressed but will not argue with this, cos i'm almost of the same school of tot. I had also wanted to use the fact that God instructed the Isrealites to make Images as a point in defence. But i see u did ur homework well. Kudos! Like i always say,"Venerate or Honour the Individual represented by the statue and never the statue. Worship belongs to non other but God Almighty". |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by ijawkid(m): 5:55pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
tobechi20: I would define her actions as idolatry too.....I would never support any act of idolatry....all forms of idolatry are detestable before Yahweh......... Hugging and greeting her late mums picture is tantamount to ancestral worship and ofcus idolatry....... Idolatry is idolatry....let the truth be told....walking up to a fake marys statute and bowing to it is nothing but IDOLATRY..... I just can't understand why catholics would not grasp this lucid scriptural truth.... |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Missonas(f): 6:24pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
We wud keep arguing back and forth without refusing 2reason.we dnt worship idols,jst lyk d pentecoastals wud say dey dnt see deir pastors as demigods and d muslims wud say Jesus Christ is nt d son of God.so many disparities,dis is exactly wot d devil wants.whatever jst serve d Lord ur God with all your heart and LOVE one another,this we can do without arguements na shey?GOD IS LOVE!!!Peace... 1 Like |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Boomark(m): 6:40pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
vanstanzy: The truth has got to be told though. As a practicing Catholic and born into a Catholic family, i have to say Are all the images you use for your visualization the same? Did Christ appear in different form with different faces? You are connecting yourself to someone who is not Christ. Al least you know some truth but you need more. |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by tobechi20(m): 6:55pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
ijawkid:you are funny brother.so you call talking ,greeting an image (a non living thin )worship. Children who sing Rain rain go away Also worship the pain since its not living thing they are singing too. Have you heard of personification? |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by Nobody: 6:59pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Missonas: We wud keep arguing back and forth without refusing 2reason.we dnt worship idols,jst lyk d pentecoastals wud say dey dnt see deir pastors as demigods and d muslims wud say Jesus Christ is nt d son of God.so many disparities,dis is exactly wot d devil wants.whatever jst serve d Lord ur God with all your heart and LOVE one another,this we can do without arguements na shey?GOD IS LOVE!!!Peace... Catholics pray to dead saints, bow before idols, use a Pagan roasry etc, sprinkle holy water, call a mere man Holy Father and his holiness, blaspheme Christ by dare referring to the Pope as the Vicar of Christ when the Holy Spirit is actually Christ's representative in our lives. The Catholic church stands for blasphemy after blasphemy and is an abomination to GOD. But how will you know when Catholics do not read their bibles. 1 Like |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:45pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
[size=32pt]ITS FUNNY HOW CATHOLICS (CHRISTIANS) KILLED SO MANY PAGANS AROUND THE WORLD, OVER OUR IDOLATORY AND THEY THEMSELVES INDULGE IN IT![/size] *filthy hypocrites. . 2 Likes |
Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by ijawkid(m): 7:51pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
tobechi20: you are funny brother.so you call talking ,greeting an image (a non living thin )worship. Why should one be speaking to the image of a dead person??............so you are even in support of the girls act abi??.......now I see!!!!!!........ How can you compare kids singing" rain rain go away"" with a girl that greets and sings to the image of one who is dead....?? Oboy ya comparisons no match and e no make sense at all........ |
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