An hypothesis becomes credible if it can stand the test of time. This is how an ancient document provided clues that led to the formulation of the Big B.ang theory, which is mostly accepted by scientists today.

Genesis

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

The text literally means “At the beginning of time God (who already existed) created everything out of nothing.”

Science


Today we understand that the Big Bang was the beginning of matter, energy, space and even time itself, all expanding from a single point in a very precise manner.

The Big Bang theory was resisted for decades in part because of its resemblance to Genesis 1 and its metaphysical implications.

Genesis

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Science

This verse establishes the physical vantage point that is used from here forward.

4 billion years ago, following the “Hadean” period, the earth was a hostile, stormy, turbulent, water-covered ball.

The Hebrew word for “hovering” is also used elsewhere in Genesis to describe an eagle protecting her young in the nest.

Science tells us that the earliest life forms began in the ocean ~3.5 billion years ago and I believe this verse hints at this.

Genesis

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.

Science

The atmosphere changes from dark to opaque. Light can now shine through earth’s thick clouds. Now there is day and night on the surface of the earth.

The phrase “There was evening and there was morning” is an ancient Jewish expression of completion.

Genesis

6 And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water.”

7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so.

8 God called the expanse “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the second day.

Science

The water cycle begins. Clouds condense and form the ocean. Water evaporates from the ocean and forms clouds.

Genesis

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

Science

The continents (“Pangea”) rise above the surface of the ocean, forming land and sea.

Genesis

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.

12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening, and there was morning-the third day.

Science

Plants appear before animals. Notice that the wording in the Bible says the land produced vegetation. It does not rule out an evolutionary process.

Genesis

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fourth day.

Science

Up to this point the atmosphere has been thick and opaque. It is not possible to see the sun and moon as distinct objects in the sky. The atmosphere clears. Now sun and moon are visible.

When it says “God made two great lights, the Hebrew word for “made” is a different word than “create.” Create means from scratch, made means “made evident.”

The moon and stars were already casting their light on day 1 (see verse 3), but were not visible as distinct objects until day 4. Notice that 24 hour days are not even mentioned before day 4.

Genesis

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky.”

21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

23 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day.

Science

Day 5 spans from 500 million years ago (after the Cambrian explosion) to 50 million years ago. The earth is dominated by birds and fish. Insects and dinosaurs are also present on the earth during this time but are not mentioned in Genesis 1.

Genesis

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

Science

Day 6 is the busiest day (50 million years ago to less than 100,000 years ago). The earth is dominated by large mammals. Jewish people would have thought in terms of livestock.

Genesis

26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Science

Man's evolution (Sapiens) is most recent. 200 thousand years ago.

Genesis

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day.

NB
The text says all was very good. It doesn’t say it was paradise or perfection.

Genesis

Chapter 2 verse 1: Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

NB
God ceases from his creative work on the 7th day.

There is no statement “And there was evening and there was morning, a 7th day.”

We are living in the 7th day now.



If we had to make obtuse, complex assumptions in order to make this fit, we would have a serious problem. But our assumptions are simple, even elegant. This poetic 3500 year old text matches modern science exactly.

As little as 100 years ago, the prevailing scientific view disagreed with Genesis 1 (the “steady state” theory of the universe was in vogue). Genesis produced a testable hypothesis. Since then, astronomy, geology and biology have shown Genesis was right and the science of the time was wrong.

No other ancient text, scripture or religious tradition has a creation story that even comes close to Genesis in its accuracy. The Jewish scriptures compete admirably in the marketplace of ideas in the 21st century.

How did a bunch of nomads roaming around in the desert in 1500 BC get this sequence of events exactly right? I submit to you it’s because God told his prophets what He did.

Perry Marshall
A Closer look at Genesis

MY OPINION:

Well, because it is archeologically proven that the Jews copied Genesis from the Eblas, I submit to you that the ancient were as wise as we are and so they could formulate a testable hypothesis some 23000 years ago.

But that is not the point here, the point is that, of all the creation accounts and religions we have, only two got it right - the Eblas who created it, and the Jews who were wise enough to adopt it.

But does this prove that any God exist and that Jesus is the savior? No. It doesnt prove that God exist anymore than the existence of Sango prove that his anger causes thunder always.

Now I know you are a mad man. Probably frothing around the mouth.

You posted a thread yesterday claiming that the book of Genesis was a plagiarized work;

https://www.nairaland.com/1231831/genesis-great-work-plagiarism

Why dont you call the book by the name the Eblas called it?

turnstoner: Now I know you are a mad man. Probably frothing around the mouth.

You posted a thread yesterday claiming that the book of Genesis was a plagiarized work;

https://www.nairaland.com/1231831/genesis-great-work-plagiarism

and it fits perfectly. Genesis is only an hypothesis of the ancient never spiritual. There is no God.

ooman:


MY OPINION:

Well, because it is archeologically proven that the Jews copied Genesis from the Eblas, I submit to you that the ancient were as wise as we are and so they could formulate a testable hypothesis some 23000 years ago.

But that is not the point here, the point is that, of all the creation accounts and religions we have, only two got it right - the Eblas who created it, and the Jews who were wise enough to adopt it.

But does this prove that any God exist and that Jesus is the savior? No. It doesnt prove that God exist anymore than the existence of Sango prove that his anger causes thunder always.

Sorry @ooman, your last two paragraphs do not add up:

You say they got it right.

What exactly did they get right?

turnstoner:

Sorry @ooman, your last two paragraphs do not add up:

You say they got it right.

What exactly did they get right?

that the universe had a beginning. that the universe is finite in contrast to 19th century steady state cosmology that even Einstein believed until he was shown that the universe expands.

the big b.ang seeds from the bible and was postulated by a xtian.

ooman:

that the universe had a beginning. that the universe is finite in contrast to 19th century steady state cosmology that even Einstein believed until he was shown that the universe expands.

the big b.ang seeds from the bible and was postulated by a xtian.

But there is no mention of the Big bang or expanding universe in Genesis

turnstoner:

But there is no mention of the Big bang or expanding universe in Genesis

but it does mentioned that it has a beginning, if it does, the next reasonable thought would be it is expanding, which is proven.

The ancients are pretty wiser than we think.

ooman:

but it does mentioned that it has a beginning, if it does, the next reasonable thought would be it is expanding, which is proven.

The ancients are pretty wiser than we think.

It is important to keep the meaning of words very clear in things like this.

Ya see, there is a great difference between a quiet beginning and a really Big Baang!

And its not just a matter of decibels.

This is laughably ignorant and I'll show you how.

ooman: An hypothesis becomes credible if it can stand the test of time. This is how an ancient document provided clues that led to the formulation of the Big B.ang theory, which is mostly accepted by scientists today.

Genesis

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

The text literally means “At the beginning of time God (who already existed) created everything out of nothing.”

Science

Today we understand that the Big Bang was the beginning of matter, energy, space and even time itself, all expanding from a single point in a very precise manner.

The Big Bang theory was resisted for decades in part because of its resemblance to Genesis 1 and its metaphysical implications.

How can God create out of nothing? If the Big bang was the beginning of time, then how did God already exist? Finally, the expansion was chaotic and not "in a very precise manner".

ooman:
Genesis

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Science

This verse establishes the physical vantage point that is used from here forward.
4 billion years ago, following the “Hadean” period, the earth was a hostile, stormy, turbulent, water-covered ball.
The Hebrew word for “hovering” is also used elsewhere in Genesis to describe an eagle protecting her young in the nest.
Science tells us that the earliest life forms began in the ocean ~3.5 billion years ago and I believe this verse hints at this.

The earth wasn't formless or empty so it is a poor attempt at forcing the Bible to match modern science.

ooman:
Genesis

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.

Science

The atmosphere changes from dark to opaque. Light can now shine through earth’s thick clouds. Now there is day and night on the surface of the earth.

The phrase “There was evening and there was morning” is an ancient Jewish expression of completion.

What was the source of this light? According to scientists, it would be the sun. What was it according to the Bible?

ooman:
Genesis

6 And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water.”
7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so.
8 God called the expanse “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning-the second day.

Science

The water cycle begins. Clouds condense and form the ocean. Water evaporates from the ocean and forms clouds.

So God sat and created a space between the ocean and the sky? Wouldn't this have happened given the natural laws?

ooman:
Genesis

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.
10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

Science

The continents (“Pangea”) rise above the surface of the ocean, forming land and sea.

If anything is being gathered, it would be the smaller area of land rather than the much larger area of the ocean.

ooman:
Genesis

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
13 And there was evening, and there was morning-the third day.

Science

Plants appear before animals. Notice that the wording in the Bible says the land produced vegetation. It does not rule out an evolutionary process.

Funny how the creation events skipped micro-organisms.

ooman:
Genesis

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth,
18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fourth day.

Science

Up to this point the atmosphere has been thick and opaque. It is not possible to see the sun and moon as distinct objects in the sky. The atmosphere clears. Now sun and moon are visible.
When it says “God made two great lights, the Hebrew word for “made” is a different word than “create.” Create means from scratch, made means “made evident.”
The moon and stars were already casting their light on day 1 (see verse 3), but were not visible as distinct objects until day 4. Notice that 24 hour days are not even mentioned before day 4.

And this part rules out evolution by going against various theories in Biology. If the sky was so thick that the sun couldn't shine through, then the plants won't have survived. Well the English word for "made" is different from the word "create". And you proceed to play with words that would be translated differently in different languages.
24 hour days were not mentioned anywhere.

ooman:
Genesis

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky.”
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”
23 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day.

Science

Day 5 spans from 500 million years ago (after the Cambrian explosion) to 50 million years ago. The earth is dominated by birds and fish. Insects and dinosaurs are also present on the earth during this time but are not mentioned in Genesis 1.

Really? I'm pretty certain that there were living things in the water before 500 million years ago.

ooman:
Genesis

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

Science

Day 6 is the busiest day (50 million years ago to less than 100,000 years ago). The earth is dominated by large mammals. Jewish people would have thought in terms of livestock.

This too goes against the theory of evolution because the land didn't "produce" these living creatures. They evolved from earlier ancestors.

ooman:
Genesis

26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Science

Man's evolution (Sapiens) is most recent. 200 thousand years ago.

False. Man's evolution has been a long time coming. I notice that here, "make" is used. Does this mean that man was present but was just "revealed" at this time?

ooman:
Genesis

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day.

NB
The text says all was very good. It doesn’t say it was paradise or perfection.

Why wasn't it perfect? Why would a perfect God have imperfect creations?

ooman:
Genesis

Chapter 2 verse 1: Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

NB
God ceases from his creative work on the 7th day.

There is no statement “And there was evening and there was morning, a 7th day.”

We are living in the 7th day now.

Yeah I'm sure we are. Does this then mean that no new species of animals can arise?

ooman:
If we had to make obtuse, complex assumptions in order to make this fit, we would have a serious problem. But our assumptions are simple, even elegant. This poetic 3500 year old text matches modern science exactly.

And wrong. Don't forget that.

ooman:
As little as 100 years ago, the prevailing scientific view disagreed with Genesis 1 (the “steady state” theory of the universe was in vogue). Genesis produced a testable hypothesis. Since then, astronomy, geology and biology have shown Genesis was right and the science of the time was wrong.

How about how much Genesis 1 disagrees with the best available modern science?

ooman:
No other ancient text, scripture or religious tradition has a creation story that even comes close to Genesis in its accuracy. The Jewish scriptures compete admirably in the marketplace of ideas in the 21st century.

Just so you know, Genesis 1 isn't accurate as I have shown.

ooman:
How did a bunch of nomads roaming around in the desert in 1500 BC get this sequence of events exactly right? I submit to you it’s because God told his prophets what He did.

Perry Marshall
A Closer look at Genesis

They didn't get the sequence of events exactly right.

ooman:
MY OPINION:

Well, because it is archeologically proven that the Jews copied Genesis from the Eblas, I submit to you that the ancient were as wise as we are and so they could formulate a testable hypothesis some 23000 years ago.

But that is not the point here, the point is that, of all the creation accounts and religions we have, only two got it right - the Eblas who created it, and the Jews who were wise enough to adopt it.

But does this prove that any God exist and that Jesus is the savior? No. It doesnt prove that God exist anymore than the existence of Sango prove that his anger causes thunder always.

The Bible didn't get it right so you should really just stop there.

The Eblas got a universe with a beginning right.
There is no denying that. These people were wise, just like the ancient greeks that laid the foundation of civilization for us.

Its is about respecting the ancients and never about what you all personally think.

Its not about the Bible, Its about the Eblas whose document were recorded in the bible.

ooman: The Eblas got a universe with a beginning right.
There is no denying that. These people were wise, just like the ancient greeks that laid the foundation of civilization for us.

Its is about respecting the ancients and never about what you all personally think.

Every mythology starts with a beginning; so dont get hung-up on beginnings!

turnstoner:



Every mythology starts with a beginning; so dont get hung-up on beginnings!

Sorry but only the Eblas got the cosmos right. Archaeologists never deny this, so it doesn't matter what you think.

ooman:

Sorry but only the Eblas got the cosmos right. Archaeologists never deny this, so it doesn't matter what you think.

I spose it matters what you think eh?

turnstoner:

I spose it matters what you think eh?

It matters what the evidence says not personal thoughts.

The Eblas are justified no matter how ancient they are.

ooman:

It matters what the evidence says not personal thoughts.

The Eblas are justified no matter how ancient they are.

But your evidences do not add up.

turnstoner:

But your evidences do not add up.

Go tell that to the archaeologists who are atheists themselves.

ooman:

Go tell that to the archaeologists who are atheists themselves.

If you had presented the post as the archaeologist's, I'll go tell it to the archaeologists, but this is your post and am telling it to you:

The book of Genesis didn't lay the foundation of Science.

turnstoner:

If you had presented the post as the archaeologist's, I'll go tell it to the archaeologists, but this is your post and am telling it to you:

The book of Genesis didn't lay the foundation of Science.

Perhaps you didn't know that your favorite big b.ang came from the bible and that medieval scientists and Francis Bacon, father of scientific method all thought the Genesis 1 started the rush of science.

Now who are you that I should listen to you.

ooman:

Perhaps you didn't know that your favorite big b.ang came from the bible and that medieval scientists and Francis Bacon, father of scientific method all thought the Genesis 1 started the rush of science.

Now who are you that I should listen to you.

There is no where in the bible that ''the big banng theory'' is explained.

Medieval science? Are you kidding me? What has medieval science got to do with science?

What do modern scientists think?

Who am I?

Chum, this is a chat room; you don't have to listen to me!

Simply ignore me. I don't mind!

turnstoner:
Simply ignore me.

Exactly what every one should do to you.

ooman:

Exactly what every one should do to you.

But you haven't!

You do realise that the first rains didn't fall till Noah's time...

musKeeto: You do realise that the first rains didn't fall till Noah's time...

You do realize that only Gen. 1 made sense and only the first verse of it and it doesn't belong to the Jews but the Eblas.

ooman:

You do realize that only Gen. 1 made sense and only the first verse of it and it doesn't belong to the Jews but the Eblas.

Hmmm...

ooman:

You do realize that only Gen. 1 made sense and only the first verse of it and it doesn't belong to the Jews but the Eblas.

Alright.