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Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(m): 3:51pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
On March 16, 2013 Gordon Douglas, a former pastor, missionary and evangelist finally posted the 10 reasons why he decided to look into the evidences for the absence of a God and finally embrace atheism, the natural way of existence on Real Bible Stories Website. His testimony in his words Gordon Douglas: Many people ask why someone like me, who came from a Christian home, went to a Christian high school and then went on to spend five years in seminary and become a pastor, a missionary, and an evangelist, would turn his back on the God he spent a lifetime worshiping and serving and give up all faith in the supernatural. The answer is very simple, and I’m about to give it. First, however, let me tell you what the reason is not. 29 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Nobody: 5:53pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
I wish time was on my side this period. I will be back my friend. 1 Like |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by kambo(m): 9:56pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
wow! Anoda mmisguided pawn. Tonnes of unsound arguments some consolation to them atheists. One thing this convert shud ponder is whether there is a Hell- cuz science cant help him here. If there is a hell then d devil will laff in his face when he discovers too late that d bible he mock'd at was actually true . Is d rapture going to occur!? If d bible is a farce then dats balooney but if d rapture occurs what will he say.. One world government, d mark without which no one can buy or sell all these are events foretold many centuries ago, if d bible is false and God dnt exist he can laff it off but if not he'd better pray tht science will bail him out cuz he'll hav a lot of regreting and teeth gnashg to do... Let him b waitg 4 everythg to make "sense" b4 he aknowledges God .. Abraham responded to God's call by simply believing God and taking Him at his word even when all was hopeless .. But this man is lookg 4 irrefutable proof . God gave abraham his word nothing more and God is giving this type His word only God wnt change principles for no confused doubter.. But d consequences of throwg his soul away so trivially is immeasurable. 46 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by jayriginal: 12:03am On Apr 08, 2013 |
!!! 1 Like |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Heatblast(m): 12:20am On Apr 08, 2013 |
Religion is Destructive: Religion creates rifts and divisions in the world. It causes backwards-thinking and halts medical, scientific, and societal progress. It encourages people to be content rather than try to better themselves, and to trust in an invisible friend rather than strive to succeed. It takes away any joy that we might have in our own successes and instead throws them at the feet of an invisible being that had nothing to do with it. It makes people sit idly by and pray rather than stand up and do something themselves. It locks young people in and does everything it can to ensure that they will never even have the opportunity to look in any other direction. This cannot be the will of any supreme being, unless it is silly or evil.Case study: The Nigerian society I find myself in 8 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Inova(m): 6:34am On Apr 08, 2013 |
kambo: wow! Anoda mmisguided pawn. Tonnes of unsound arguments some consolation to them atheists. One thing this convert shud ponder is whether there is a Hell- cuz science cant help him here. If there is a hell then d devil will laff in his face when he discovers too late that d bible he mock'd at was actually true . Is d rapture going to occur!? If d bible is a farce then dats balooney but if d rapture occurs what will he say.. One world government, d mark without which no one can buy or sell all these are events foretold many centuries ago, if d bible is false and God dnt exist he can laff it off but if not he'd better pray tht science will bail him out cuz he'll hav a lot of regreting and teeth gnashg to do... Let him b waitg 4 everythg to make "sense" b4 he aknowledges God .. Abraham responded to God's call by simply believing God and taking Him at his word even when all was hopeless .. But this man is lookg 4 irrefutable proof . God gave abraham his word nothing more and God is giving this type His word only God wnt change principles for no confused doubter.. But d consequences of throwg his soul away so trivially is immeasurable.See all you quoted there are just stories my brother. They are only good for extracting morals. You go and fast for forty days and nights according to the bible and tell me if you will live to tell us. The day you start asking questions and ur not getting reasonable answers you will then understand his point. The man realLy made points there. You hv just chosen not to admit. 21 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Nobody: 7:02am On Apr 08, 2013 |
Yeah,this guy reminds me of how back in the days,i also spent sleepless nights on my knees seeking god to use me.How i spent entire days on my bible.i still have that bible.Although i was quite young,my spiritual expectations were enormous.My preaching both in n out of the pulpit moved 'sinners' to tears.And finally i found out i'd been seeking the air all along. 12 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Nobody: 7:09am On Apr 08, 2013 |
It is quite inevitable for someone who has sought god above par to not find out something is wrong somewhere.It all boils down to what he/she chooses to do with that solemn revelation. 2 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Rexyl(m): 1:58pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
The whole story is backsliding and fall of man that the devil has won. Judas physically and spiritually to some extent walked with Jesus. He stumbled somewhere but was too weak and ignorant of repentance and restoration till the devil possessed him finally. See, by the time the truth was revealed to him it was late. He regretted his wrong decision and doing as he was being lifted down to the hell, Matthew 26 thru 27:1-5. If it has not been too late for this man he can reclaim his salvation from the Merciful God The Bible is complete, it describes any behaviour man could exhibit at any point in time. 14 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by UyiIredia(m): 4:13pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
Noted. |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by JeSoul(f): 4:50pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
There will always be hardcore christians and atheists who switch sides. That is to be expected and such is the cycle of life. Some of his reasons are reasonable, and others not so much. His paragraph on science & the nature of religion are simply propagandized appeals to emotion. Any intellectually honest scientist or person of science worth his weight in salt will not attempt to draw imaginary correlations between science & religion. The two are simply not the same. And if you try, you will end up exactly where he is - confused. Uyi Iredia: Noted.Hey Uyi wassup dude? hows the search coming along? 11 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by don33310(m): 8:17pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
Religion have cause more problems than good,how i wish,i can abolish it. 4 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Nobody: 9:17pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
I would love if this nice write-up go up to the frontpage. The fact that we have So many religion and even sub-religion is an indication that religion is a sham, fraud, MLM tactics and pure social control. THe existence of God still get me confusing. but i don't want to believe all those write ups in the so called ''Bible'' because if it is Holy, why would they (elites) put Holy in from of the Bible.? Is it to use subliminal messages to control us into believing that it is Holy? Reading the bible all through, you can see some mind controlling tactics and so much more. Humans were the ones who wrote the bible, Quran ect for selfish reasons which are obvious till date. Pastors soooo rich, religious violence and so much more. I am not a christian nor a mulim, nor all these religious non senses. I am who i am. 3 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Nobody: 10:58pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
Reminds me of this story I shared sometime back [size=16pt]FROM MISSIONARY TO ATHEIST[/size]
We learn that not all the things we thought were universal are universal, not all the things that make people happy are necessary to make people happy, and that the idea that somebody died on a cross 2,000 years ago that nobody ever saw, nobody knows anybody who ever saw, has any relevance to my happiness or my life in any way today. As I began to think back on it, and reflect at night of all the people I had met, it occurred to me that the most important lessons in my life were from meeting people who were not like me, whether they were Brazilian intellectuals, or people from other religions, or people who had no religion, or people of other races and ethnicities. These were the lessons that had most affected me. We live in guilt and Christianity takes away our guilt. We have been made lost by religion, in many respects. Finding salvation has become the task of so many Americans because they’ve been told that they’re lost in one form or another by this guilt and the oppression of religion. [size=14pt] That’s why David Livingstone, when he went to Africa as a missionary, said that the first step of missions is to destroy the local culture. Destroy it through capitalism, because as you create a desire for Western goods, they will realize how worthless they are and they will listen to the missionary about their god. That is an effective strategy, by the way.[/size] Read the full text here: http://ffrf.org/publications/freethought-today/articles/the-pirahae-people-who-define-happiness-without-god/ 1 Like |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by jayriginal: 11:20pm On Apr 08, 2013 |
JeSoul: There will always be hardcore christians and atheists who switch sides. That is to be expected and such is the cycle of life. Truer words were never spoken. 4 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(m): 12:34pm On Apr 09, 2013 |
JeSoul: There will always be hardcore christians and atheists who switch sides. There is nothing like "hardcore" atheism. Atheism is simply the believe in no God and the use of reasonable explanation for nature. You cant get any deeper in atheism, the deepest you can get is to say that no god exist. When any atheist stops being reasonable and think that god exist, then he has simply moved from disbelief to belief and has simply rejected logic and became newly insane. However, there are hardcore worshipers. The deeper you get in god depends on how much you allow your brain to hallucinate. If you meditate long enough to hallucinate visions and become insane enough to speak complete gibberish in the name of speaking in tongues, then you are a hardcore xtian and its becomes wonderful when such people get free from their psychedelia and choose nature-atheism, because they had been healed from their delusions. 5 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Emusan(m): 6:11pm On Apr 09, 2013 |
ooman: The man didn't say God does not exist if you read it with utmost mind. But because devil has looked for a way to snatch his soul he begins to see God as a wicked being. If God doesn't exist somebody like me won't say anything about Him. Science is real but claiming there is no God is wrong. By God's grace I have something to invent to the whole world soon but does that mean I must claim that God doesn't exist NO! Some scientist got it wrong when they are begin to reason abstractly. To the man I pray he will realise where he got it wrong and reconcille himself back to God. 8 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(m): 7:13pm On Apr 09, 2013 |
Emusan: You seem not to get it. Atheism is as a result of study of nature, not just some ancient ideas. The more you study and understand nature, the more you realize that intelligence is never involved. Nature itself speaks against god. 1 Like |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by jayriginal: 1:35am On Apr 10, 2013 |
ooman: I think you miss JeSoul's point. One of us certainly did. |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by don33310(m): 5:33pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
The world would have been peaceful without religion |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by victorNRceo: 7:57pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
Emusan: Sir,u are the person who read without utmost mind. The former evangelist purely stated that one can only disprove things that can be proven,and since he can't disprove God this means there ain't no proof of God = his non-existence. The man didn't say he saw God as a wicked being(since he couldn't fathom or sense a god,how would he have said that),he only said that he saw the bible's concept of God as a wicked,childish and fictional being. musKeeto: Reminds me of this story I shared sometime back what else would I say except that jes to avoid unnecessary repetition of wat u've given account. Anyway,I would say; we have only got jes our potential power to make this world safe n I rise to make others(only free thinkers n atheist,the religious will derail the progress) rise,and together we shall make this world more safe,controlled and habitable for our only good... If ya aligned to this then like this comment. Cheers 2 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by victorNRceo: 8:01pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
Emusan: Sir,u are the person who read without utmost mind. The former evangelist purely stated that one can only disprove things that can be proven,and since he can't disprove God this means there ain't no proof of God = his non-existence. The man didn't say he saw God as a wicked being(since he couldn't fathom or sense a god,how would he have said that),he only said that he saw the bible's concept of God as a wicked,childish and fictional being. musKeeto: Reminds me of this story I shared sometime back what more would I say to ^. Jes to avoid unnecessary repetition of wat u've given account. Anyway,I would say; we have got jes only our potential power to protect this world n I rise to make others(only free thinkers n atheist,the religious will derail the progress) rise,and together we shall make this world more safe,controlled and habitable for our only good...If ya aligned to this,like this comment. Cheers |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Nobody: 8:12pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
Nw which of dem I go like? Lol.. |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by victorNRceo: 9:32pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
musKeeto: Nw which of dem I go like? Lol.. ma comment na. Abi u no dey feel me |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by kambo(m): 11:50pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
@inova you say all the claims in the bible are "stories" !! - The bible makes claims concerning the future of mankind and every single soul on it ? in other words it does what so called science - the highest appeal of u atheists - cannot do which is to foretell the future! - and you say its story? it says something about - life after death - something science cannot comment on? because for science to give conclusive feedback on what happens after death - scientist have to die and return - all what science can say here on life after death are inconclusive. If christianity is some man made contrition - time will tell. if it is not? the consequences for the atheists are better imagined. some claims christianity makes. 1.) only one way to God (not many ways) - the way is thru Jesus christ (this blows the theology of lumping christianity together with other religions) The bible says "except a man is Born again - HE SHALL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD" OR "SHALL NOT SEE HEAVEN" THAT IS A definite claim: it's unambiguous. if it is false , then all christians are fools and brain washed , else you already know what fate is. 2.) They'll be a rapture . of the saints . a real life event not something spiritual, when it happens the entire world will know something has hit it. Again, if this is story story , all christians are fools else -- non christians are on the losing side. 3.) God made the world (it is stated so unequivocally in many pages of scriptures ) that God made the world.. Again, its up to u to do what you like with this claim. 4.) All whose names are not found written in the book of Life will be thrown into the lake of fire . "And i saw the Dead small and great stand before God and the earth and sea fled befor him .. etc " is the truth or myth (everyman has to make this decision for himself) 5.) one world government ,inevitable, eventually leading to worship of a man whom the bible calls the "man of sin" who'll tag every soul for satan , because the big tussle the big price God and satan are fighting for is human souls - The bible says , Heaven rejoices when "1" sinner is saved!! -- what dyu make of this? story!! 6.) "behold i stand at the door and knock, if any man hear my voice and let me in I will come in and sup with him and he with me!" -- that's Jesus talking , he's making a statement that applies to anybody today a present day statement. what dyu call it "story" 7.) For God so loved the world that He (God ) sent his only begotten son (why?) so that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM will not Perish (where ? this blows the jehovah's witness doctrine of no hell, and the catholic doctrine of purgatory out the water) in essence -- every human on the planet is at risk of perishing forever in the lake of fire ? "story"? 8.) "if any man be in christ he is a new creature - old things have passed away all things have become new!" -fable? 9.) Tongues (speaking in tongues is a sign to the unbelievers etc) -- many talk of God proving himself , have you ever heard some1 speak in tongues before? That's a sign to you!! 10.) so many people will say to me Lord i did miracles in your name , cast out demons in your name etc but Jesus will say to them depart from me you workers of iniquity (point: even many renowned christians wont make it..) joke? story? 11.) come let us reason together though your sins be as red as crimson He (God ) will make them as white as wool (this is an invitation to every man..) A wicked God say's "come let us reason together?! dyu know any dictator that tolks like this?" story? what will every man that will ever walk the earth do with this statement? wave it off? -- when you atheist want to blast the bible you dont present passages like this. you pick and chose what fits yur taste. if 11.) is true, let me imagine judgement day? You the atheist will point your fingers at God and call him wicked, and He (Jesus- the judge ) will ask you "didnt you read that passage in my book saying "even though your sins were extreme, my blood was enough to cleanse you" "God is a wicked God that committed Genocide" - favorite trump card for painting God black, But -- God also sent his only Son to die (is that wickedness?) God warned those tribes he wiped out about their wicked ways - (all arguments will be contradicted by experiences in the accusers life. Judges on earth sentence people to the electric chair and we nod and say it is right - yet point accusing fingers at God and call him wicked!!) Man, they're so many things christianity says which affects you and I and every body on planet earth? And The ball is in your court what to do with these facts... if they're lies- good. but if not.. man, i wouldnt want to be in your shoes because -- earth is all you have and when it will be all over you'll wish you were never born. There's no man who will be without excuse on judgement day!! -- call it fundamentalism , mind control, call God wicked and unjust bla bla if the Bible is true -- you'r debates fall on the ground. All i ask my self is "is the bible true?". if you want to be an atheist fine. but if you are wrong in your claims, man!! you'd better enjoy every single day and second and minute you can on earth. because , like paul said "if this life is all you have -- you are of all men most miserable". Please nobody is asking any atheist to be born again or such. And the Mind control accusation labelled against the Bible ? what a joke.. Man is in complete control of his free will if you want to be an atheist God will not voilate your will,but He tells you , you can't enter Heaven except thru Christ for He is the Door? the choice is your and others.. 36 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(m): 1:13pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
^^^It irritated me so much that i couldnt comment at first especially this: kambo: "God is a wicked God that committed Genocide" - favorite trump card for |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Emusan(m): 4:51pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
ooman: ^^^It irritated me so much that i couldnt comment at first Is this all what you can say? What can you say to these? I'm a native of Oke-agbe Akoko in Ondo state of Nigeria, you can ask any atheist in Nigeria to find out these story for you especially residing in south west. There was a road that link my village to another village called OYIN. When they are about to construct this road a rock fall along the route where the road suppose to passed. The white man that constructing the road said "if the rock is being blasted the whole of this village would be wipe out with water because the evil spirit inside it is a spirit of water. In this village we don't have big river, or close to sea or ocean even about 3km diameter no river near us. Up till now that particular point is full of pot holes, if you like bring the whole asphat in this world and place it there in the next two-three weeks it will spoil again. Another one, in 1995 something great happened also in my village along that road I was talking about just like 1-2km away from that very point there was a rock beside the road, (not along the route but a little bit close to the road) at that very point accident usually occur almost every week. Traditional rulers, christians, muslims are complaining and it was revealed that there was an evil spirit inside the rock but who will confront it, Nobody? Churches, muslims they begin to pray, the tradition people they do their own too. 1995 was the year that God save us from that evil spirit, what happened? Around 4:00pm it seems rain wants to fall, breaze up & down and the rain begins to wet the ground not up to ten minutes a powerful thunder struck and behold it hit the rock and pieces it. I couldn't go there but the people that went there says there was splashing of bloods on those broken stones. But there was a place you can stand and you will see the path that the thunder created anything along that path was removed being trees or stones it looks as if bulldozer worked there. That is how accident cease from that road. Another one happened also at the main market there was a big three in that market though it's not the only tree there. It was revealed to some churches that this particular tree is bewitched it was thunder that uprooted this same tree. Surprisingly, under the tree we (I saw it with my naked eyes) saw pot, stove, spoons, bloods e.t.c because the tree has hole inside and the hole did not link to outside. I was told about stories of thunder in that village too. All these happened in the day time not overnight so don't think maybe it is people's handiwork and nobody knows that rain with thunder will occur that day. I want your say because you said nothing like evil spirit & God. 1 Like |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(m): 5:16pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
Emusan: To begin with, i must tell you that your ignorance is not an excuse for the existence of God. I quite agree that there are many phenomenons in Africa that dont have scientific explanation YET, due to shortage of evolutionary scientists in Africa. Geysers that occurs in northern hemisphere also have many spiritual explanations given by the natives, until scientists told us what causes those phenomenons. I am certain that once God is off our community and evolutionary scientists become many, we will start to understand our land much more. I am also certain that your explanation of spirits is just as a result of ancient myths. Ask yourself, do you sound reasonable with such explanations? No, you dont |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Rexyl(m): 6:45pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
Anybody that disproves the existence of God is wasting his time, it is evident that there are some happenings beyond human mental capability and scientific proofs, and when such happened we have seen people living without referencing God say with utmost feelings in confusion, agony or regret what indicates existence of a supernatural being, yet some one would still come later and say there is no God. This is complete ignorance and there are strong warnings in the Bible against a conviction like this. Christians should not follow the ways of non believers who have a wrong conception about the work and existence of God. Having known God and His works, we should not fail in what He has committed to us and backed up with authority to deliver trapped souls to His kingdom. May God help us. 3 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by Emusan(m): 11:33pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
ooman: Allow my ignorance to be controlling me I like it that way. Shortage of scientists in africa is the one pushing white man to africa and begin to buy africa culture (statute) millions of Naira. Beside you haven't told me what white man used all those statute for. My stories are based on ancient myths. So you want to tell me you have never heard of thunder strike remember I said it happened in my present not story story. Ofcourse I know if scientist were there at that time they will find something to say just the way they doubt miracles today. Science of a thing you read it either on books or internet sir, and atheist do believe that most christians were born with Bible. I'm a computer wizard and also a building engineer I have read many books about science because I so much love science but no man I repeat no ma can ever tell me there is no God. So my brother you're not the only one that is scientifically oriented. 7 Likes |
Re: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(m): 2:24pm On Apr 12, 2013 |
Emusan: Only a fool will let ignorance control him. The whites keep the statutes in their museum and they call Them African relics. where do you get the idea that they worship them? No one ever said christians are born with the bible. I was a christian myself. Science is natural observation and our observation say that God does not exist and that is what am telling you. God does not exist-that is a fact. You are delusional. 3 Likes |
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