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African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 3:44pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
G---mit!! Kid, Somalia, Eri8, and Morpheus! Stop derailing my Afar thread! here is a brand new..fresh thread for you guys to discuss african genetics... |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 3:46pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
Eri8: Can you give me names of ethnic groups that are black in North Africa? I just want to read up on them. And are the Nubians considered black? KidStranglehold: |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 3:47pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
lol im evicting you negros!! KidStranglehold: @Eri8 |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 3:48pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
KidStranglehold: @Eri8 somalia9: On the European continent it has the highest concentration in north-west Greece, Albania and Kosovo, then fading around the Balkans, the rest of Greece and Western Turkey. Outside Europe, it is also found in most of the Middle East, northern and eastern Africa, especially in Morocco, Libya, Egypt Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia and South Africa. morpheus24: |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 4:41pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
@kid you said this about ramses III ^^^Note it was proven that King Ramses III was E1b1a which is mainly found in West-Central Africans. how is that possible? you have any proof? |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 4:52pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
*Kails*: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGLfcUgXWNI Also and more importantly... In the interior of Africa, another major expansion was beginning around the time of Ramesses III: the Bantu migrations that spread from West Africa (possibly originating near present day Cameroon and Nigeria) and eventually reached the African Great Lakes and Southern Africa over the course of three millennia. The Bantu migration was one of the most important events in prehistory (comparable to the IndoEuropean language expansions in Eurasia) and reshaped the cultural landscape of Africa. Today, Bantu languages include Swahili (spoken near the Indian Ocean) and Zulu and Xhosa (spoken in present day South Africa). These diverse Bantu speaking cultures are thought to be descended from a mixture of early West African migrants and indigenous populations of East Africa and Southern Africa. The present day genetic structure of Egypt might also have been influenced by later expansions in the Mediterranean and Near East. These included the large empires of the ancient world that integrated multiple cultures (primarily of West Asia), such as the Achaemenid and Macedonian empires (both known for religious tolerance). Similarly, the Arab migrations of the medieval period began in the Hejaz (the Arabian Peninsula adjacent to the Red Sea), and might have increased Egyptian contacts with neighboring populations of North Africa and the Near East. All of these migrations (see Figure 1) might have influenced the present day genetic structure of Africa and Eurasia (including Egypt). For this reason, present day DNA matches in the following geographical analysis might to some degree reflect these population movements that took place after the time in Ramesses III. [size=15pt]Genetic Analysis[/size] Geographical analysis of Ramesses III and Unknown Man E (possibly Ramesses’ son Pentawer) was performed using their autosomal STR profiles based on eight tested loci.9,10 Results are summarized in Table 1 and illustrated in Figure 2-3. Discussion: Results in Table 1 indicate that the autosomal STR profiles for both Ramesses and Unknown Man E are most frequent in present day regions of Sub-Saharan Africa and also found in Near Eastern regions at lower frequencies. Among present day world populations, Ramesses III’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the African Great Lakes region, where it is approximately 335.1 ttimes as frequent as in the world as a whole (see Table 1 and Figure 2). Unknown Man E’s autosomal STR profile is most frequent in the Southern Africa region, where it is approximately 134.6 times as frequent as in the world as whole (see Table 1 and Figure 3). Both autosomal STR profiles are also found in the Levantine region that includes populations of present day Egypt, but are substantially more frequent in regions of Sub-Saharan Africa (see Table 1). Specifically, both of these ancient individuals inherited the alleles D21S11=35 and CSFIPO=7, which are found throughout Sub-Saharan Africa but are comparatively rare or absent in other regions of the world. These African related alleles are different from the African related alleles identified for the previously studied Amarna period mummies (D18S51=19 and D21S11=34).11 This provides independent evidence for African autosomal ancestry in two different pharaonic families of New Kingdom Egypt. Source: http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 4:55pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
^^**studies**^^ |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 4:56pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
It was originally posted on bmj...But bmj has a 7 day limit and you have to pay a subscription to read the whole article. It was lead by Zahi Hawass though. http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e8268 But here is what was said in the article. I still have the quotes... Genetic kinship analyses revealed identical haplotypes in both mummies (table 1⇓); using the Whit Athey’s haplogroup predictor, we determined the Y chromosomal haplogroup E1b1a. The testing of polymorphic autosomal microsatellite loci provided similar results in at least one allele of each marker (table 2⇓). Although the mummy of Ramesses III’s wife Tiy was not available for testing, the identical Y chromosomal DNA and autosomal half allele sharing of the two male mummies strongly suggest a father-son relationship. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 4:59pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
1:25 of the video basically states that he was a mxture between e1b1a and e1b1b... my question is where was the source? the probability of it being west african is slim to none... i would think present day sudan perhaps...? what do you think? *im still reading...* |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 5:07pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
KidStranglehold: It was originally posted on bmj...But bmj has a 7 day limit and you have to pay a subscription to read the whole article. It was lead by Zahi Hawass though. [size=18pt]LOL@ HAWASS FINALLY ADMITTING WHAT HE'S BEEN TRYING TO HIDE FOR DECADES! [/size] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5wLCVpBjhk i will comment on your other notes above..i gotta run and take care of something. but check out the video i posted..!! Hawass is dirty mudasucka.. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 5:19pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
Also keep in mind that because the great dessication of North Africa caused much population upheaval and migratory dispersions, this created a chain reaction of migrations like a domino affect... For so long people have only been focusing on West African connections to Egypt via the Central Sahara, but forgot that there were various pre-Bantu even pre-Benue groups and peoples living in the Central Sahara during the Holocene Wetness as well as early Nilotic groups. Some of these groups migrated further south before the dessication perhaps due to population expansions since North Africa at that time was rich in food supply and resources. When the dessication happened they were pushed further south and/or mixed with groups escaping desertification. Of course the Bantu language expansion took place well after these events which is why many Bantu-speaking people in South Africa today carry indigenous lineages to the region instead of West-Central African lineages associated with Bantu which again shows the difference between bio-genesis and ethnogenesis. And let's not forget the various Nilotic peoples who inhabited much of central and eastern Africa before Bantus as well. ^^^Remember Modern day West Africans did not always live in that area and they are not one monolithic group.... Also... The Benin haplotype HbS persists in Egyptian population today, whereas it is all but absent in the African Horn. Additionally, ties to African populations presently distant from Egypt should not puzzle anyone, since the core ancient Egyptian population would have ultimately drawn from a shared ancestral gene pool that crosscuts the different living African populations, aside from more recent common origins in the Saharan belt. King Tut died of sickle cells. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/king-tut-died-from-sicklecell-disease-not-malaria-2010531.html Also... Keita found that the pre-dynastic Badarians mostly resembled the Teita (who themselves ultimately derive from Tanzania). http://wysinger.homestead.com/badari.pdf ^^^^ However...Affinity doesn't really suggest origin/descent. Am I saying the Ancient Egyptians were West Africans? Nope. But that they share a common ancestry. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 5:22pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
*Kails*: LOL. I have that video as a favorite. But you really cant hate Hawass. The ONLY thing I respect about him is that he has ambitiously tried to preserve the things the Ancient Egyptians left behind. That is what I respect about him, other than that...Nothing else. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 5:55pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
KidStranglehold: true. because i believe everything happens for a reason. he doesn't know it but he has helped preserved more information that future generations will be able to accurately decipher and discover...and the truth will come out in full. when people think they are getting away with doing wrong..they always forget about this chick named 'Karma' and her little sister 'destiny'. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 6:02pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
KidStranglehold: Also keep in mind that because the great dessication of North Africa caused much population upheaval and migratory dispersions, this created a chain reaction of migrations like a domino affect... For so long people have only been focusing on West African connections to Egypt via the Central Sahara, but forgot that there were various pre-Bantu even pre-Benue groups and peoples living in the Central Sahara during the Holocene Wetness as well as early Nilotic groups. Some of these groups migrated further south before the dessication perhaps due to population expansions since North Africa at that time was rich in food supply and resources. When the dessication happened they were pushed further south and/or mixed with groups escaping desertification. Of course the Bantu language expansion took place well after these events which is why many Bantu-speaking people in South Africa today carry indigenous lineages to the region instead of West-Central African lineages associated with Bantu which again shows the difference between bio-genesis and ethnogenesis. And let's not forget the various Nilotic peoples who inhabited much of central and eastern Africa before Bantus as well. everything you have said...truth be told..i have said on this forum since forever...and was rediculed for it. but i won't go there...i will say though that it is a fact that all black africans originated from the area where ancient egyptians came from thus is the reason why the black egyptians have features that could be found in all parts of africa. my confusion comes in with the whole Ea & Eb haplogroup issue. how did e1b1b come about? are they simply mutations or were they always there...i never understood that. Im my opinion the first black africans looked something like present day Nilotes/Nubians. Sudanese Nilote: although she is E1B1A I see features from all of africa on her. It will also explain why Andaman islanders kinda look like her as well being the first "black people" to leave the continent approx. 70,000 years ago. (at this point i am only talking about looks) |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 6:48pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
*Kails*: Agreed. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 6:50pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
*Kails*: Good post! But I think that Nilote women is Eb... Also remember that E1b1a originated in East Africa. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by RandomAfricanAm: 6:51pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XUPZokMb6A
http://www.worldcat.org/title/content-analysis-of-the-treatment-of-ancient-egypt-in-selected-secondary-level-world-history-textbooks/oclc/035154607 |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 6:57pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
KidStranglehold: nilotes eb? idk about that. brb. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:00pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
*Kails*: I could have sworn that they are. Aren't they separate from West African groups? |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:03pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
RandomAfricanAm: 2:16 lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told a certain somebody that arabs white people are adamant about separating africans for their own personal agenda. african never used to worry about features. it was always about your "clan/tribe" and that is because they knew they were all related however they had their own unique cultures and creeds. Now when I say all black africans are related..im an afro.centric... anyway, my man excellent post! @6:00 [size=28pt]LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL![/size]!!!!!!!!!! OMG!! THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!! |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:05pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
KidStranglehold: that's what i thought. my bad...i'll do some research..i was watching the video you posted. im still tripping off the white guy threatening the egyptian man's education because he publicly declared himself black!! |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:08pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
[img]http://3.bp..com/-S5mhiqANasM/TV_XeXj482I/AAAAAAAAAkg/7ivKSdKMy-A/s320/E1b1b1-m35-DNA_Migration_Map.jpg[/img] sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic_peoples#Genetics http://www.e1b1b1-m35.info/2011_02_01_archive.html Nilotic people have been investigated in studies of both autosomal DNA and Y-DNA and carry predominantly haplogroup E1b1. NO NEVER MIND...NAH..they are for the most part Ea. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:20pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
I'm gonna need the uploaders of both of those videos to send me a copy!! |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:24pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
KidStranglehold: yeah so anyway, when we look @ nilotes..i believe we are looking @ the features of our distant ancestors. here is an example of the Masai who are part of the nilotic group but they also have eb ancestry.. [img]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-42-24765450.jpg?size=67&uid=e504b1ed-f0e9-4075-bb1a-04d02d3bd1df[/img] just as my source stated... "with E1b1b1-M35 being the most frequent among Maasai (13/26 = 50%, including 4/26 = 15% E1b1b1a-M78 and 9/26 = 35% E1b1b1-M35(xE1b1b1a-M78, E1b1b1b-M81))" i still would like to know how eb came about. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:37pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
*Kails*: The video RAA posted I seen. There are a lot of Egyptians that consider themselves black or African. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:38pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
*Kails*: Excellent post! |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:39pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
KidStranglehold: yeah. i know one egyptian girl who has never denied being black. yet on her documents, sure enough she is listed as middle eastern. which really there is nothing wrong with that because technically she is... when you think of her nationality and culture..however her race is black. oh well... |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:48pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
*Kails*: Yeah Middle Eastern is not a race. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 7:54pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
Anyways back to the Berbers, which is what I was originally talking about. Some early paintings of Berbers: [img]http://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/le_bon_gustave/civilisation_des_arabes/gravures/gravures_livre_3_gif/fig_115_50.gif[/img] Moroccan [img]http://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/le_bon_gustave/civilisation_des_arabes/gravures/gravures_livre_4_gif/fig_197_50.gif[/img] Algerian [img]http://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/le_bon_gustave/civilisation_des_arabes/gravures/gravures_livre_4_gif/fig_195_50.gif[/img] [img]http://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/le_bon_gustave/civilisation_des_arabes/gravures/gravures_livre_4_gif/fig_196_50.gif[/img] [img]http://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/le_bon_gustave/civilisation_des_arabes/gravures/gravures_livre_4_gif/fig_164_50.gif[/img] [img]http://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/le_bon_gustave/civilisation_des_arabes/gravures/gravures_livre_3_gif/fig_114_50.gif[/img] These are nice pictures but they are also obvious mulatto descendants of Europeans and other non-Africans who have mixed with Berbers or black and 'hamitic' Africans (of Afro-Asiatic ethnicity). Or you could say vice versa. That is what Berbers are today - mixed. Very unlike yesterdays Berbers and Mauri who were called blacks and Ethiopians for a reason. But Berbers are not a monolithic group. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 8:00pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
This is how most Northwest Africans look like... [img]http:///348yjjj[/img] Mulatto look...But note those types live in the COASTAL REGION of Northwest Africa. Where most the mixing, foreign settlements and invasion happened. That is NOT all of Northwest Africa or even North Africa as a whole. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 8:05pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
Now here is how the Ancient Egyptians REALLY depicted the Ancient Libyans/Berbers... The Berber language even ORIGINATED in EAST AFRICA. And the Siwa Berbers are not only in East Africa, but they are of one of the oldest Berber groups and mostly African. |
Re: African Genetics Thread (E Haplogroup) by Nobody: 8:33pm On Apr 27, 2013 |
GBAM!! the egyptians documented EVERYTHING...i dont know why ppl are in denial. 1 Like |
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