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A Question For The 'Believer'... by Bella3(f): 12:14am On May 08, 2013 |
Lately i have been doing alot of thinking because of this question: 'how can God give freewill, at thesame time be omniscient (ie be know all things- past, present and future)?' *trolls not invited* 1 Like |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 3:13am On May 08, 2013 |
Bélla3: Lately i have been doing alot of thinking because of this question: 'how can God give freewill, at thesame time be omnipotent (ie be know all things- past, present and future)?'I think the word you're looking for is 'omniscient'... and this thread,well, make of it what you will... https://www.nairaland.com/1254148/why-idea-god-fraud |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 3:32am On May 08, 2013 |
Bélla3: Lately i have been doing alot of thinking because of this question: 'how can God give freewill, at thesame time be omnipotent (ie be know all things- past, present and future)?' Nice thoughts. Every individual is a self-aware, self-reflective, free-will entity. Free will is not given to you,you own it! Aint you a goddess yourself? |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 3:57am On May 08, 2013 |
https://www.nairaland.com/1198534/cowardice-atheism/61#14676165 Logicboy03: 1 Like |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Bella3(f): 7:21am On May 08, 2013 |
musKeeto:thanks, well edited. The thread was very long and the title highly offensive. I'd realy appreciate christians advising a 'confused sister' 1 Like |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Bella3(f): 7:23am On May 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: https://www.nairaland.com/1198534/cowardice-atheism/61#14676165i agree, quite confusing. 1 Like |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Bella3(f): 7:25am On May 08, 2013 |
ifeness:i beleive there are instances where humans dont have total free will. 1 Like |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 9:01am On May 08, 2013 |
Bélla3: i beleive there are instances where humans dont have total free will. There are no interruptions in anyone's life, everything in life is a product of what we want to experience. Except you make some unconscious blocks with your mind which of course will seem as if you do not have free will. Example: when you look into the mirror,you will see a reflexion of yourself,if you do not smile,the refexion of you wont smile regardless of how you wish it to. Most times we blame others or gods for our misfortunes not knowing that we are the creators of our fate. |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by PastorOluT(m): 9:49am On May 08, 2013 |
Bélla3: Lately i have been doing alot of thinking because of this question: 'how can God give freewill, at thesame time be omniscient (ie be know all things- past, present and future)?' Bella good day, The first thing to clarify about God omniscience is that knowing all things is not the same as influencing it, many at times when we talk about God' omniscience we think of Him influencing our actions. He knows all things because He is God, though we can not fully comprehend this but we sure know from experience that we are the architect of our choice. God gave each of us freewill and with it comes consequences, whatever we decide to do with our freewill is our choice but we should be ready to eat the fruit and God will not change it for anyone for He is a respecter of none and have no favorite. But in Christ Jesus all our past is gone and all consequence is done away with. How do you even know what He knows about you before doing what you did? Many gives the excuse that since He knows all this about me, He knows i will be this bad so why change, this only makes us more accountable because we deliberately did what we did under the cloak that we technically do not have a choice. Stay blessed and remain rapturable 1 Like |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by frank317: 10:22am On May 08, 2013 |
Pastor Olu T: why did u ignore my questions in the other thread... u better answer cos i willl never let u escape |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by PastorOluT(m): 11:58am On May 08, 2013 |
frank3.16: No be fight my friend, but which i thought i have done that? |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by alfaman3: 12:21pm On May 08, 2013 |
Bélla3: thanks, You can wait till thy kingdom come if you were seeking an honest answer from christians. |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by alfaman3: 12:42pm On May 08, 2013 |
Pastor Olu T: If this made sense to you, then there is no hope for you. |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by alfaman3: 12:49pm On May 08, 2013 |
Pastor Olu T: I don't need hope. Only the afflicted need hope. |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 1:14pm On May 08, 2013 |
Bélla3: thanks, Someone is going to have a real long wait |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 1:22pm On May 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Do you want my binoculars? Can't you see that she has gotten the response she requested for? |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by JeSoul(f): 1:49pm On May 08, 2013 |
Bélla3: Lately i have been doing alot of thinking because of this question: 'how can God give freewill, at thesame time be omniscient (ie be know all things- past, present and future)?'Hiya Bella, these are very good questions. This thread may be useful to you... https://www.nairaland.com/336414/freewill-teaching-point-passed-across/1#4731737 JeSoul: |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 1:50pm On May 08, 2013 |
striktlymi: She got sophistry not a valid response |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 2:07pm On May 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Hmmm...that's what you call it but it will do I hope... Anyways, she has another one from Jesoul |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 2:10pm On May 08, 2013 |
striktlymi: Jesoul's post was an abuse of common sense.....she was never a good debater |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 2:14pm On May 08, 2013 |
Hi Bella3 Um, quite a question you have there. I hope the "skepticism" of the unbelievers is not getting to you. Even if it is, the Lord is more than able to keep them that have trusted in Him. This question of omniscience versus free will is a funny kind. It sounds legitimate and real but nobody has proven it to be an honest question, at least, not on this forum. So I'll say first of all that even if God made His Creation deterministic by nature or semi-deterministic, He's got every right in the book to do so. After all, it's His Creation. Second, the answer to your question, dear sis, is that God is not at all subject to time. In His reality, He does not have to look forward to a future or backward to a past. He commands time. Thus, He sees everything happening at all times as though it were all happening at once. He knows what decisions you will make in your future because He is watching you make them in the future at the very same time that you make them. So He does not "predict" the future as we would, rather, He witnesses it. |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 2:17pm On May 08, 2013 |
Good response, JeSoul. I was in transit and making my own post or else I would have seen it sooner and perhaps held my peace. |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 2:17pm On May 08, 2013 |
Ihedinobi: Hi Bella3 @ Bella, Please watch as how Ihedinobi tries to deny the contradiction between omniscience and freewill over 7 pages and fails https://www.nairaland.com/1198534/cowardice-atheism/61#14676165 |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 2:22pm On May 08, 2013 |
Ihedinobi: Good response, JeSoul. I was in transit and making my own post or else I would have seen it sooner and perhaps held my peace. |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 2:22pm On May 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: ...and here comes Ihedinobi, Someone must be shyting in his pants... |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 2:23pm On May 08, 2013 |
striktlymi: smh |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 2:28pm On May 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Lol!!! #Don't worry, they are here for Bella...fear not! |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 3:12pm On May 08, 2013 |
JUST CUZ HE KNOWS ALL THINGS DOES NOT MEAN HE SHOULD RESTRICT YOUR CHOICES. HE KNOWS THE CHOICES YOU WOULD MAKE. SO FREEWILL WALKS HAND IN HAND WITH HIM KNOWING ALL THINGS. THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION HERE. I DONT SEE ANY CONTRADICTIONS. 3 Likes |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by PastorOluT(m): 3:48pm On May 08, 2013 |
alfaman3: The way I see it is that you do all this in hope that what you believe or don't believe rather, would be justified. YOU HOPE FOR YOUR LIFE TO HAVE A MEANING |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Bella3(f): 4:21pm On May 08, 2013 |
I guess i need prayers coz am entirely lost here. Are you trying to say that God knows the future, bt at the same time isnt sure it'll come to pass? I dont know how an author can know how a story will end, at thesame time gives his characters freewill. If God is omiscient, then he knows those destinied for hell. I guess this isnt something you understand by mere common sense. Is there a particular verse that says God is omniscient? Thanks for all the humble replies, very much appreciated. 1 Like |
Re: A Question For The 'Believer'... by Nobody: 4:32pm On May 08, 2013 |
Bélla3: I guess i need prayers coz am entirely lost here. Good, Bella..........good. |
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