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Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by Nobody: 10:43am On Jun 09, 2013
5. Don't post pornographic or disgusting pictures or videos on any section of Nairaland.
Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by sweetcheecks(f): 10:50am On Jun 09, 2013
ogugua88:

That's not exactly true. If a fetus has everything a human being has, then it should be able to survive and thrive on its own. There's a reason why abortions are legal until late-term (varying on the state or country). Late-term abortions are illegal because fetuses have a higher chance at surviving.

Revealing gruesome details doesn't solve anything either. If you're anti-abortion, then you should be anti-what-leads-to-abortion, and that's unwanted pregnancies via molestation, unsafe sex, or failed contraception. If you think gruesome details will work, then you should take a look at what's happening in the United States. It's a disgusting argument and reduces women's rights. As a woman, that's not the kind of situation in which I'd like to find myself. I'd like to make a decision because it was my call and not because someone swayed me.
For those whom will be swayed, they will either carry a child they're not ready to have, carry a child and luckily grow a stable family, or mental issues will burden the mother, which could lead to miscarriage, aka spontaneous abortion.

I hope in the midst of all this that one considers the mother. I know in certain arguments in the US, it's as if the mother isn't considered at all. I don't find a developing embryo or fetus more important than its mother. A healthy mother, in terms of physical, emotional, and mental health, is the best host for a developing being. Too many times do women who aren't healthy or prepared give birth, and they can't provide for their children. To me, that's unfair fate for that born child. I know there's no such thing as an ideal situation, but I think we should be striving towards babies being born in ideal
environments. Eradicating abortions does little to enhance that
in my opinion.

Gruesome details do not solve anything but helps people make better decissions knowing all the facts. Ofcourse it will be tough eradicate abortions but the use of abortions must not replace proper familly planning and pregnency prevention. I am very sure that very few individuals who have done the procedure had all the facts and understanding of what really is happening. Becouse they told " the say story that foetus are not human without being given all the information to make up their minds. Thats all I am saying.
Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by sweetcheecks(f): 10:53am On Jun 09, 2013
ogugua88: 5. Don't post pornographic or disgusting pictures or videos on any section of Nairaland.

Is that ponographic or disgusting pics in your view? Well my bad. You are free to remove them then "madam".

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Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by Nobody: 11:08am On Jun 09, 2013
sweetcheecks: Gruesome details do not solve anything but helps people make better decissions knowing all the facts. Ofcourse it will be tough eradicate abortions but the use of abortions must not replace proper familly planning and pregnency prevention. I am very sure that very few individuals who have done the procedure had all the facts and understanding of what really is happening. Becouse they told " the say story that foetus are not human without being given all the information to make up their minds. Thats all I am saying.

A fetus isn't a human being. That's a fact.

fetus /fe·tus/ (fēt´us) [L.] the developing young in the uterus, specifically the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, in humans from nine weeks after fertilization until birth.

I'm a human being and that description doesn't describe me.

Gruesome details do not help anything. If you want an example of "gruesome" being implemented to sway women who are seeking abortions, then study the mandatory transvaginal ultrasound legislature that was passed in Virginia and its affects. You can also study the mandatory fetal auscultation legislature in Louisiana.

What's going on in Virginia and Louisiana is scary. The main reason a transvaginal ultrasound is required in Virginia rather than a normal ultrasound is because most women who abort do so in the first trimester. Getting a fetal image via a traditional ultrasound is difficult to impossible, so Virginia deemed it best to stick a painful probe up a women to get an image in stick it in her medical file for her to see. A woman or parents shouldn't be guilt-tripped into having a child. As a woman, I would think you wouldn't wish that for yourself or any other woman.

I don't know of many people who support abortions as a method of contraception. However, if it's proper family planning that you wish to advocate, then try to by advocating proper family planning. Give information about the various methods of safe sex and the health implications of a child born out of wedlock or in a single-parent household.
Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by Nobody: 11:09am On Jun 09, 2013
sweetcheecks: Is that ponographic or disgusting pics in your view? Well my bad. You are free to remove them then "madam".

There have been similar images in other threads and sections. They were removed by admin and the user was banned. If anyone wants to see an expelled or aborted fetus, then I'm sure he or she can search for those images on Google.

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Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by FindOut(m): 11:28am On Jun 09, 2013
ogugua88:

That's not exactly true. If a fetus has everything a human being has, then it should be able to survive and thrive on its own. There's a reason why abortions are legal until late-term (varying on the state or country). Late-term abortions are illegal because fetuses have a higher chance at surviving.

Revealing gruesome details doesn't solve anything either. If you're anti-abortion, then you should be anti-what-leads-to-abortion, and that's unwanted pregnancies via molestation, unsafe sex, or failed contraception. If you think gruesome details will work, then you should take a look at what's happening in the United States. It's a disgusting argument and reduces women's rights. As a woman, that's not the kind of situation in which I'd like to find myself. I'd like to make a decision because it was my call and not because someone swayed me.
For those whom will be swayed, they will either carry a child they're not ready to have, carry a child and luckily grow a stable family, or mental issues will burden the mother, which could lead to miscarriage, aka spontaneous abortion.

I hope in the midst of all this that one considers the mother. I know in certain arguments in the US, it's as if the mother isn't considered at all. I don't find a developing embryo or fetus more important than its mother. A healthy mother, in terms of physical, emotional, and mental health, is the best host for a developing being. Too many times do women who aren't healthy or prepared give birth, and they can't provide for their children. To me, that's unfair fate for that born child. I know there's no such thing as an ideal situation, but I think we should be striving towards babies being born in ideal environments. Eradicating abortions does little to enhance that in my opinion.

Ogugua,
edit: Seen! Thanks smiley .

@Topic, no energy for epistles but summary.
To me,
Abortion - may not necessarily be outlawed. Should be strongly discouraged. NOT ENCOURAGED IN ANY FORM. Should be recommended as an option in case of molestation. May be enforced sef (lol) in cases where the mother's health is in danger.

Meanwhile, yes, other factors that cause early premarital/unprotected sex = unwanted pregnancies should be discussed but since we all generally adopt a grossly hypocritical view of those matters, its pointless. We can then in our characteristic hypocritic manner & deliberate failure to address root causes of the reasons why we are such a highly s''e''x''u.al genration, tell the companies producing condoms & postinor II to increase their advertising budget.

The arguments supporting abortion can also apply to a few months old or lets even say few weeks old baby to a large extent. Let's hope that women won't start asking for permission, no, legal backing to be able to shoot their few months old babies in the head so that their peace of mind is assured. We also hope that grown up kids of senile partially brain damaged ooooold parents won't be requesting that they be granted rights to see their folks off to their graves prematurely since afterall,at that stage, they are more or less entirely dependent on them for survival.

This is my summary. I hope it isn't so vague, tho i can readily draw up a long winded & maybe unnecessary (as far as this forum/thread is concerned) essay to support my points especially the last one which i believe may be challenged most ideologically.

But suffice to say that let us ask ourselves, if the foetus could talk, would 'it' want to be aborted? Let us remember that scientists keep coming up with evidence that shows babies are not as dum.b as we think they are in the womb. & they are still researching.

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Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by Nobody: 11:42am On Jun 09, 2013
booqee: gbam!


but @op, imagine this, a POOR young girl was raped by several men, and eventually got pregnant. And she came to you for advice, on whether to abort it or not, knowing fully well dat she not okay financially?? Would you advise her to keep the child to grow up as a bastard, who would never know his real father or to keep the pregnancy. I know abortion is wrong..but unfortunately some reasons are justified.

some reasons are justified?
I bet if u commit murder, some reasons would be justified?
I bet if someone rap.es, some reasons would be justified?
I bet all those dumb leaders looting, some reasons would be justified?

Sorry ma'am but there's NO JUSTIFICATIOn for abortion! undecided

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Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by FindOut(m): 11:49am On Jun 09, 2013
carr96:

some reasons are justified?
I bet if u commit murder, some reasons would be justified?
I bet if someone rap.es, some reasons would be justified?
I bet all those dumb leaders looting, some reasons would be justified?

Sorry ma'am but there's NO JUSTIFICATIOn for abortion! undecided

Don't be so hard. Molestation & potential danger to mother's health are wonderful justifications for abortion.

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Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by Nobody: 8:17pm On Jun 09, 2013
Well, whoever says there's no justification for abortion isn't an empathetic human being. Under no circumstances should a molested woman or a woman suffering complications, such as ectopic pregnancy, be forced to deliver. That's more inhumane than the abortion itself.

The young Indian woman that died in Ireland comes to mind. She should have had an abortion but was denied under Irish law. Doctors told her no because "This is a Catholic country". She suffered in agony for hours before losing the baby. Then, she died some days later thanks to blood poisoning. Where's the humanity in that?

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Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by FindOut(m): 12:01am On Jun 10, 2013
ogugua88: Well, whoever says there's no justification for abortion isn't an empathetic human being. Under no circumstances should a molested woman or a woman suffering complications, such as ectopic pregnancy, be forced to deliver. That's more inhumane than the abortion itself.

The young Indian woman that died in Ireland comes to mind. She should have had an abortion but was denied under Irish law. Doctors told her no because "This is a Catholic country". She suffered in agony for hours before losing the baby. Then, she died some days later thanks to blood poisoning. Where's the humanity in that?

On point. The Ireland case is a really sad one sad
Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by sweetcheecks(f): 8:53am On Jun 12, 2013
ogugua88:
A fetus is not a human being. That's like calling a sprouting mango seed a full mango tree.


Sweetcheecks:
What then constitute a human being? As the foetus has everything that a human being has unlike a seed.

To me a seed would be a sperm and an egg or at worst an ambryo not a fully developed foetus with all the organs, limbs, brain and soul.

I do not agree with your comparison here.

Abstinence is not really a reliable prevention technique hence I have not mentioned it as a fruitful option. And ofcourse what an individual decides to do is their own decision. Just creating awareness as many people do not have an idea of what happens in when one aborts. It is their right to be informed by revealing the gruesome details of the procedure and its up to each person to say whether the foetus is a human being or not.

I am sorry to see that the picture of the foetus has been removed becouse it settles the argument of whether a foetus is a human being or not. And how are people suppose to make informed decisions when information is taken from them?. .

The picture below is of a baby carried to term and delivered. Compare that foetus to this baby and tell me why that foetus would not be called a human when this baby is?


Knowladge is power! When people know better they make more informed decisions.

ogugua88:

A fetus isn't a human being. That's a fact.

fetus /fe·tus/ (fēt´us) [L.] the developing young in the uterus, specifically the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, in humans from nine weeks after fertilization until birth.

I'm a human being and that description doesn't describe me.

Definition of young
adjective (younger /jŋg/, youngest /jŋgst/) not as old as the norm or as would be expected:
[attributive] relating to or consisting of young people: immature or inexperienced:
1. having lived or existed for only a short time:

2. (the Younger) used to denote the younger of two people of the same name:
noun [treated as plural] Phrases with young (of an animal) offspring, especially of an animal before or soon after birth: many grebes carry their young on their backs

[size=16pt]So please do not contradict yourself as per your difinition of a foetus its reffered to as a young not a seed as you earlier stated. And you are the only one who was a seed when you were a foetus.
Anyway, this was an awareness thread and dear your experiences should hinder you from letting others have their own experiences.

With your kind of definition of things I would be worried for anyone to take your word and experience for anything. Hence putting all the info out there for people to make up their minds and draw from their own experiences. Being on a power trip becouse you have authority to move and delete things when you feel things are uncomfortable based on your
experience is a shame. [/size]
Re: Abortion Is Murder! Help Stop It. (picture) by Nobody: 11:02am On Jun 12, 2013
I hope you saw the adjective before the word young: developing.

If putting words in my mouth suits you, then let it be. I never said a fetus is a seed. I said it's like calling a mango seed a mango tree. A tadpole is not a frog and a caterpillar is not a butterfly in the same sense that a fetus is not a human being. Can a fetus obtain nutrients and oxygen on its own? Can it survive without a host? Depending on when, it cannot. If it could, then abortions at all stages would be illegal.

I know the purpose of your thread. People protest with your very opinions in front of women's health clinics across the country. Those women's health organizations are still educating and providing health services the proper way, which is through discourse, communicating with patients and providing them with information and services they can't get elsewhere, not by picket signs with graphic images.

It's good to have morals and convictions, but don't let that becloud facts and reality.

And don't accuse me of power-tripping. This thread was moved from the Romance section to a section I deemed more appropriate. There is nothing romantic about the abortion debate and your posting of expelled or aborted fetuses violated rule 5.

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