ezeagu: I used to follow all this drama about individual ethnic groups and their influence on the diaspora, but I've come to realise that individuals in the diaspora and sometimes very small regions have their individual cultural heritages so it isn't good enough just to say 'Jamaica is this' or 'Haiti is that'. These enslaved people were real individuals and they left descendants, so it should be the individuals cultural heritage that counts. That's not to say, however, that a certain groups influence in a region of the Americas should be overlooked, but we have to understand that the diaspora is much more complicated than 'the Fulani were here, and the Wolof were there'. Even these ethnic identities have transformed after the slave trade and colonialism.

I've seen examples of the generalisations in this thread. Igbo people for example, gradually accumulated in the Chesapeake region of the United States and these individuals contributed to an overall more Igbo influenced slave culture. But that is not to say that in another region like South Carolina that other groups, like the Wolof, didn't have more of an influence in the slave culture. [size=18pt]But we can't forget that these cultures are, at whatever stage, a mix.[/size]

*Kails*:
@topic none.
they were all equally influential

like I said earlier,
all of the people sent to the new world played equal
roles in the formation of who we are and our cultures.
From north America to south.

Anyone who truly knows diaspora black history knows what I am saying is the truth.


---refer to original post to see the parts omitted---

But I think its unfair to the other peoples who contributed to our cultures to make this into a competition. So I say ALL.

*Kails*:


The akan ppl from Ghana were beasts in the new world lol. In jamaic the twi and ashanti were real thorns in the sides of the british. Same for the kongo peoples who led the rebellions and were aided by the akan, igbo, and other groups.

Another interesting fact I learned that the fulanis sent to jamaica were the most literate of the lot. They found arabic writings in both jamaica and brazil written by the fulani. Which is probably why patois is also influenced by the fulbe language despite their presence having been so small in size... compared to other new world colonies.

Kinda cool.

ezeagu: I used to follow all this drama about individual ethnic groups and their influence on the diaspora, but I've come to realise that individuals in the diaspora and sometimes very small regions have their individual cultural heritages so it isn't good enough just to say 'Jamaica is this' or 'Haiti is that'. These enslaved people were real individuals and they left descendants, so it should be the individuals cultural heritage that counts. That's not to say, however, that a certain groups influence in a region of the Americas should be overlooked, but we have to understand that the diaspora is much more complicated than 'the Fulani were here, and the Wolof were there'. Even these ethnic identities have transformed after the slave trade and colonialism.

I've seen examples of the generalisations in this thread. Igbo people for example, gradually accumulated in the Chesapeake region of the United States and these individuals contributed to an overall more Igbo influenced slave culture. But that is not to say that in another region like South Carolina that other groups, like the Wolof, didn't have more of an influence in the slave culture. But we can't forget that these cultures are, at whatever stage, a mix.

Black Kenichi:
That's true. The Senegambian ethnics were majority muslims and they placed a high value on education.
The Igbo slaves rebelled mostly by running away or committing suicide (they were known for both).
Most of the Kongo Kingdom ethnic slaves were POWs thus they were very disciplined and organised.

True and I've never denied that. Still we can't deny that slaves from one area from Africa were more likely to be sold and brought in certain areas of the Americas than other places. With that certain Afro cultures emerged in one part of the Americas that were quite different from an Afro culture in another part.

E.g. Voodoo/Vodoun - It emerged in Benin from the Fon people. Yet it's also found in Haiti and Louisiana yet not practiced in other New world Afro cultures (not even in the DR really) why is that?

Could it that a lot of Fon slaves were sent to these places bringing there cultural traits like vodoun with them.

*Kails*:


nah im through with it.
i said my piece, never disrespected anybody in my first reply.
its not my fault some folks can't read.

it can respond but it'll just be talking to itself.

that's that.

MamiWata:

This is your second time saying you're through with it. At least we can both agree we have nothing to learn from one another even if you can't manage to stay out of the thread.

Mrs.Chima:


There are a lot to learn from other people but when ignorance is thrown in the mix...it kills the positive progression.

MamiWata:

I have nothing to learn from this particularly ignorant poster.

Mrs.Chima:


That poster can say the same about you.

Mrs.Chima:


That poster can say the same about you.

MamiWata:

She could say whatever she'd like but it would be unfounded.

Mrs.Chima:


All personal opinions of others are unfounded.

So you are right.

*Kails*:
lol.
you see what i mean sis?

dead it.

Mrs.Chima:


Hmm. How is your day so far? Why Chima gon say my booty look like K.Michelle but got titties like Rhianna?


For the record K got mo ash than 30 of us put together! Did you see her booty?

*Kails*:


my day is going well.
i was a lil down earlier but i am GRRRREAT like tony the tiger's happy a--.

Lol, he was giving you a compliment sis. That is a good shape you got there

Mrs.Chima:


Rhianna ain't got no titties! Thanks though.

I remember you mentioned Zimbabwe ..there is a video called Mugabe and The White African that you will enjoy.

*Kails*:


LMAO! yeah but women with smaller tops and thicker bottoms have the best shapes imo.
and i will check out that vid but let me find out my sis is watching documentaries on mugabe.

Mrs.Chima:


It was part of a course I took when I was an undergrad in college.

Mrs.Chima:


It was part of a course I took when I was an undergrad in college.

TRIBE (Origin)-- NUMBER-- PERCENT OF AFRICAN
Ibo (S.E. Nigeria)-- 2,863-- 20%
Congo (Congo)-- 2,450-- 17%
Moco (Cameroons)-- 2,240-- 16%
Mandingo (Senegambia)-- 1,421-- 10%
Kormantyn (Ghana, Gold Coast):Fanti,Ashanti & Others--1,068--7%
Kwaka (Ivory Coast)-- 473-- 3%
Temne 169, Susu 145, Kissi 63 (Sierra Leone)-- 377-- 2.5%
Ibibio (S.E. Nigeria)-- 371-- 2.5%
Raddah (Dahomey)-- 281-- 2%
Chamba (Nigeria?)-- 275-- 2%
Fulani (N. Sierra Leone)-- 171-- 1.2%
Popo (Dahomey)-- 112-- 1%
Hausa (N. Nigeria)-- 109-- 1%
Yoruba (W. Nigeria)-- 10-- 0.07%
Various tribes under 1%-- 818-- 6%
Port of departure only-- 8.73% ...

Jayvarley:
Igbo Proverbs in Jamaica

Proverbs[edit source]

Ilu in Igbo means proverbs, a part of language that is very important to the Igbo. Igbo proverbs did not fail to cross the Atlantic along with the masses of enslaved Igbo people. Till today several transliterated Igbo proverbs survive in Jamaica today because of the Igbo ancestors. Some of these include:

Igbo: "He who will swallow udala seeds must consider the size of his anus"

Jamaican: "Cow must know 'ow 'im bottom stay before 'im swallow abbe [Twi 'palm nut'] seed"; "Jonkro must know what 'im a do before 'im swallow abbe seed"

Igbo: "Where are the young suckers that will grow when the old banana tree dies?"


Jamaican "When plantain wan' dead, it shoot [sends out new suckers]"

Igbo: "A man who makes trouble for other is also making one for himself"

Jamaican: "When you dig a hole/ditch for one, dig two"

Igbo: "The fly who has no one to advise it follows the corpse into the ground"

Jamaican: "Sweet-mout' fly follow coffin go a hole"; "Idle donkey follow cane-bump [the cart with cane cuttings] go a [animal] pound"; "Idle donkey follow crap-crap [food scraps] till dem go a pound [waste dump]"

Igbo: "The sleep that lasts for one market day to another has become death"

Jamaican: "Take sleep mark death [Sleep is foreshadowing of death]""When cow tail cut off, God Almighty brush fly"; "God fan fly fi 'tumpa tail [stump-tailed] cow"

"Dog sweat, but long hair cover it"

*Kails*:
the break down of trinidadian ancestry
according to: http://www.afrigeneas.com/forum-carib/index.cgi/md/read/id/440/sbj/trinidad-book-w-african-slave-statistics-etc/



i knew it

where we all got our wining from

..de Verteuil also reviews recreation among slaves, which could be described in one word--dancing, though he does mention hunting, wrestling, cock-fighting and gambling. One dance, the "Calenda", was supposedly introduced from "Arda"/Guinea. Another was thought to be the "Jouba" from the Congo...

Jayvarley: Coromantee (derived from the name of the Ghanaian coastal town "Kormantse", also called Coromantins, Coromanti or Kormantine was the English name given to Akan slaves from the Gold Coast or modern-day Ghana. The term Coromantee is now considered archaic as it simply refers to Akan people, and was primarily used in the Caribbean. Coromantins actually came from several Akan ethnic groups – Ashanti, Fanti, Akyem, etc. – presumably taken as war captives. Owing to their militaristic background and common Akan language, Coromantins organized dozens of slave rebellions in Jamaica and elsewhere in the Caribbean. Their fierce, rebellious nature became so notorious among white plantation owners in the 18th century that an Act was proposed to ban the importation of people from the Gold Coast despite their reputation as strong workers. The Akans had the single largest African cultural influence on Jamaica, including Jamaican Maroons whose culture and language was seen as a derivation of Akan. Names of some notable Coromantee leaders such as Cudjoe, Quamin, Cuffy, and Quamina correspond to Akan day names Kojo, Kwame, Kofi, and Kwabena, respectively.

Well at least according to Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coromantee

Black Kenichi:
Half true. There is a lot of Igbo influence in Jamaica as well.

*Kails*:
smh

Supper: The french Company of the Indies(primarily a colonial and slave trading firm), had monopoly over the colony of Louisiana and also the slave trade of the Senegambian region, with their Fort St. Louis headquarters of the Company of the Indies in Africa, being located in modern day Northern Senegal. This created the slave trading Senegal-Louisiana concessions of the 18th and 19th century, which was the primary reason two-thirds of the slaves brought to Louisiana came through the Senegambian region.

And speaking of the Fulani. Here's a video showcasing some documented famous ethnic Fulani people in America(or what is now the US).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC2124XhYsg

An old unique blues style in the Northern Mississippi hill country called Northern Mississippi Fife and Drum blues, is an offshoot of Fulani Flute and drum music. In fact, the physical construction of the blues fife played in Northern MS is based on an old African model brought over by the transatlantic slave trade. The construction process mimics that of the of Fula flute. A musician typically cuts a piece of cane about a foot inlength, then a heated iron rod is used to bore out the cane, and finally the same rod isused to make the fingering and embouchure holes of the fife. No formal measure of spacing either between the embouchure hole and the fingering holes or between each of the fingering holes is used. Instead, the musicians use their hands as guides forconstruction, resulting in instruments that have slightly individualized scales, none of which are based on a classical Western model.
http://www.academia.edu/922424/_Stuff_You_Gotta_Watch_The_Effect_of_Anglo-American_Scholarship_on_North_Mississippi_Blues_Fife_and_Drum


Otha Turner construting his Blues Fife
[img]http://www.uncpress.unc.edu/poorheartease/images/pictures/canefife.jpg[/img]

Fula Flute


Mississippi Fife and Drum Blues Band - 1978

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNqrZUWBXxs
(@ 1:16)

Fulani Flute and Drum Music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xEcDHYFo1Q