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Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 8:18pm On Aug 09, 2013 |
ezeagu: I used to follow all this drama about individual ethnic groups and their influence on the diaspora, but I've come to realise that individuals in the diaspora and sometimes very small regions have their individual cultural heritages so it isn't good enough just to say 'Jamaica is this' or 'Haiti is that'. These enslaved people were real individuals and they left descendants, so it should be the individuals cultural heritage that counts. That's not to say, however, that a certain groups influence in a region of the Americas should be overlooked, but we have to understand that the diaspora is much more complicated than 'the Fulani were here, and the Wolof were there'. Even these ethnic identities have transformed after the slave trade and colonialism. i have that since the beginning sir. when some folks WHO CANNOT READ were acting like i was trying to be argumentative, all i was doing was trying to emphasize the fact that we are all a mix and all of our ancestors played a role. no one people or tribe did more than the others in each territory. like i said from DAY ONE! *Kails*: like I said earlier, 1 Like |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 8:22pm On Aug 09, 2013 |
i mean the same way i can talk about the kongo, fulani, yoruba, wolof; etc influence in the new world i can easily talk about the IGBO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5vpDF2dUHc WHY IS THAT? [size=38pt]BECAUSE WE ARE MUTTS! HELLO![/size] |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by BlackKenichi(m): 10:32pm On Aug 09, 2013 |
*Kails*:That's true. The Senegambian ethnics were majority muslims and they placed a high value on education. The Igbo slaves rebelled mostly by running away or committing suicide (they were known for both). Most of the Kongo Kingdom ethnic slaves were POWs thus they were very disciplined and organised. ezeagu: I used to follow all this drama about individual ethnic groups and their influence on the diaspora, but I've come to realise that individuals in the diaspora and sometimes very small regions have their individual cultural heritages so it isn't good enough just to say 'Jamaica is this' or 'Haiti is that'. These enslaved people were real individuals and they left descendants, so it should be the individuals cultural heritage that counts. That's not to say, however, that a certain groups influence in a region of the Americas should be overlooked, but we have to understand that the diaspora is much more complicated than 'the Fulani were here, and the Wolof were there'. Even these ethnic identities have transformed after the slave trade and colonialism.True and I've never denied that. Still we can't deny that slaves from one area from Africa were more likely to be sold and brought in certain areas of the Americas than other places. With that certain Afro cultures emerged in one part of the Americas that were quite different from an Afro culture in another part. E.g. Voodoo/Vodoun - It emerged in Benin from the Fon people. Yet it's also found in Haiti and Louisiana yet not practiced in other New world Afro cultures (not even in the DR really) why is that? Could it that a lot of Fon slaves were sent to these places bringing there cultural traits like vodoun with them. Now before you say that Haitian voodoo worships Bakongo and Mbundu gods and spirits as well, I already know. Haiti also received a lot of Kongo Kingdom slaves as well. Thus you could say that Haitian Voodoo is a mix of Fon and Kongo Kingdom ethnic spirit worship with a smattering of Catholicism! |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 12:56pm On Aug 10, 2013 |
Black Kenichi: True. The kru were also known to be suicidal as well. Another group that was quite aggressive were the mende (i am surprised nobody mentioned the La Amistad incident....kid *hint *hint your deadly warrior thread And the kongo peoples were very disciplined mainly those in the territories that are part of present day angola. The rebellions of south carolina and the caribbean that were carried out by them were very similar. Witnesses alway stated they used stealth tactics to inflict wounds and would steal the weapons of their enemy. Lol can you imagine the fear those white folks felt to see ppl they brutalize point their own guns at them? lmao They also used excellent formations when attacking an enemy which was to surround their enemy. It happened so much that eventually taking slaves from the kongo region was outlawed in some colonies while the demand for them dropped signifantly in others lmao. True and I've never denied that. Still we can't deny that slaves from one area from Africa were more likely to be sold and brought in certain areas of the Americas than other places. With that certain Afro cultures emerged in one part of the Americas that were quite different from an Afro culture in another part. Its all circumstancial tho. For example when most other tribes had long assimilated you started to see an emergence of more people coming in and influencing the others. For ex: the yoruba made their debute a little later in the game (late 1700- 1800s) so their ways stood out more and in some spanish speaking colonies they were not treated as bad because by the time they came in such high numbers importing slaves to the new world was illegal. So they (slave masters) would compromise with them and allow them to still carry on their cultures but after doing their work of course. Other african descendants who lost their own cultures or could not speak their mother tongues began adopting other african cultures just to have an identity. You see what I am saying? So you would have someone in brazil who may be from mozambique originally, learn yoruba customs and start practicing yoruba customs to feel connected to africa in some way. I will try to find a source for this info and post it. E.g. Voodoo/Vodoun - It emerged in Benin from the Fon people. Yet it's also found in Haiti and Louisiana yet not practiced in other New world Afro cultures (not even in the DR really) why is that? Because again its circumstances.... Could it that a lot of Fon slaves were sent to these places bringing there cultural traits like vodoun with them. First of all there werent that many fon brought to the new world in the first place. Again other ppl adopted their voodoo/culture. But going back to why its not practiced as much in DR...remember in some places african spirituality, music, and dance scared the living day lights out of the slave masters. Just the fact that it made some of the, want to dance was enough for them to be convinced that they were under a spell lmao. So with immediate effect it was outlawed (drumming, incantations, and speaking in any language other than those of ones masters). Disobeying these laws would earn a slave severe punishments. Some would be bold enough to sneak at night (like in Louisiana, Brazil, Jamaica) and still do their thing but most were too afraid to (because of the snitches among them smh) and thus lost that part of them. Now in the case of the D.R. they were heavily influenced by some of the most brutal spaniards in the new world. They had to follow those laws and were forced to convert to catolicism which taught them that their cultures were primitive, that their ancestors were unGodly and even that th ei r own skin,complexions are signs that God made them inferior that it was destiny for them to be saved (hence why despite today having 70 to 80 percent of dominicans being of obvious african descent they still would rather not be reminded of that fact and would rather be called "indio" [indian; to justify their dark complexions] so sad...) The "africaness" of haitians is why some of them are desperate not to be called "the same" as haitians plus some haitians were brutal to them following the revolution which justified the claims by the spaniards and mixed breed dominicans that african culture was savage. (Which is hilarious considering to this day some of the cultures their ancestors brought with them are still practiced on their side of the island esp.in music and cooking. But dont tell some of them that tho. Lol.) So again its all about circumstances. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by MamiWata: 10:09pm On Aug 10, 2013 |
*Kails*: This is your second time saying you're through with it. At least we can both agree we have nothing to learn from one another even if you can't manage to stay out of the thread. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by MrsChima(f): 7:58pm On Aug 11, 2013 |
MamiWata: There are a lot to learn from other people but when ignorance is thrown in the mix...it kills the positive progression. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by MamiWata: 2:50am On Aug 13, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima: I have nothing to learn from this particularly ignorant poster. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by MrsChima(f): 2:07pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
MamiWata: That poster can say the same about you. 1 Like |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 2:09pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima: lol. i know that's right. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by MamiWata: 2:16pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima: She could say whatever she'd like but it would be unfounded. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by MrsChima(f): 2:18pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
MamiWata: All personal opinions of others are unfounded. So you are right. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 2:18pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
chima do me a favor and stop talking to this dumb thot about me lol. i really don't have it's time. the issue is beyond dead. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by MamiWata: 2:37pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima: It is not my personal opinion that Dahomeans are Fon rather than Yoruba as she said. That is a fact. It is not my personal opinion that vodun is Fon rather than central African as she said. That is a fact. It is also not my personal opinion that Santeria is one spirituality rather than all as she said. That is a fact. You can not point to one fallacy that I posted in this thread and that's why any claim of my ignorance would be unfounded. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 2:38pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
lol. you see what i mean sis? dead it. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by MrsChima(f): 4:14pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
*Kails*: Hmm. How is your day so far? Why Chima gon say my booty look like K.Michelle but got titties like Rhianna? For the record K got mo ash than 30 of us put together! Did you see her booty? 1 Like |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 6:15pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima: my day is going well. i was a lil down earlier but i am GRRRREAT like tony the tiger's happy a--. Lol, he was giving you a compliment sis. That is a good shape you got there |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by MrsChima(f): 8:38pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
*Kails*: Rhianna ain't got no titties! Thanks though. I remember you mentioned Zimbabwe ..there is a video called Mugabe and The White African that you will enjoy. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 8:59pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima: LMAO! yeah but women with smaller tops and thicker bottoms have the best shapes imo. and i will check out that vid but let me find out my sis is watching documentaries on mugabe. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by MrsChima(f): 10:23pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
*Kails*: It was part of a course I took when I was an undergrad in college. 1 Like |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 10:28pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima: thats whats up. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 1:11am On Aug 14, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima: https://www.nairaland.com/1079823/rap-blueprint-black-self-destruction/4#17418155 |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Jayvarley(m): 6:54pm On Aug 28, 2013 |
Igbo Proverbs in Jamaica Proverbs[edit source] Ilu in Igbo means proverbs, a part of language that is very important to the Igbo. Igbo proverbs did not fail to cross the Atlantic along with the masses of enslaved Igbo people. Till today several transliterated Igbo proverbs survive in Jamaica today because of the Igbo ancestors. Some of these include: Igbo: "He who will swallow udala seeds must consider the size of his anus" Jamaican: "Cow must know 'ow 'im bottom stay before 'im swallow abbe [Twi 'palm nut'] seed"; "Jonkro must know what 'im a do before 'im swallow abbe seed" Igbo: "Where are the young suckers that will grow when the old banana tree dies?" Jamaican "When plantain wan' dead, it shoot [sends out new suckers]" Igbo: "A man who makes trouble for other is also making one for himself" Jamaican: "When you dig a hole/ditch for one, dig two" Igbo: "The fly who has no one to advise it follows the corpse into the ground" Jamaican: "Sweet-mout' fly follow coffin go a hole"; "Idle donkey follow cane-bump [the cart with cane cuttings] go a [animal] pound"; "Idle donkey follow crap-crap [food scraps] till dem go a pound [waste dump]" Igbo: "The sleep that lasts for one market day to another has become death" Jamaican: "Take sleep mark death [Sleep is foreshadowing of death]""When cow tail cut off, God Almighty brush fly"; "God fan fly fi 'tumpa tail [stump-tailed] cow" "Dog sweat, but long hair cover it" |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 2:01am On Sep 01, 2013 |
the break down of trinidadian ancestry according to: http://www.afrigeneas.com/forum-carib/index.cgi/md/read/id/440/sbj/trinidad-book-w-african-slave-statistics-etc/ TRIBE (Origin)-- NUMBER-- PERCENT OF AFRICAN i knew it where we all got our wining from |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 2:02am On Sep 01, 2013 |
Jayvarley: i saw this a long time ago and was amazed at the similarities. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 2:06am On Sep 01, 2013 |
*Kails*: ..de Verteuil also reviews recreation among slaves, which could be described in one word--dancing, though he does mention hunting, wrestling, cock-fighting and gambling. One dance, the "Calenda", was supposedly introduced from "Arda"/Guinea. Another was thought to be the "Jouba" from the Congo... |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Jayvarley(m): 10:23pm On Oct 08, 2013 |
Coromantee (derived from the name of the Ghanaian coastal town "Kormantse", also called Coromantins, Coromanti or Kormantine was the English name given to Akan slaves from the Gold Coast or modern-day Ghana. The term Coromantee is now considered archaic as it simply refers to Akan people, and was primarily used in the Caribbean. Coromantins actually came from several Akan ethnic groups – Ashanti, Fanti, Akyem, etc. – presumably taken as war captives. Owing to their militaristic background and common Akan language, Coromantins organized dozens of slave rebellions in Jamaica and elsewhere in the Caribbean. Their fierce, rebellious nature became so notorious among white plantation owners in the 18th century that an Act was proposed to ban the importation of people from the Gold Coast despite their reputation as strong workers. The Akans had the single largest African cultural influence on Jamaica, including Jamaican Maroons whose culture and language was seen as a derivation of Akan. Names of some notable Coromantee leaders such as Cudjoe, Quamin, Cuffy, and Quamina correspond to Akan day names Kojo, Kwame, Kofi, and Kwabena, respectively. Well at least according to Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coromantee |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by BlackKenichi(m): 10:40pm On Oct 08, 2013 |
Jayvarley: Coromantee (derived from the name of the Ghanaian coastal town "Kormantse", also called Coromantins, Coromanti or Kormantine was the English name given to Akan slaves from the Gold Coast or modern-day Ghana. The term Coromantee is now considered archaic as it simply refers to Akan people, and was primarily used in the Caribbean. Coromantins actually came from several Akan ethnic groups – Ashanti, Fanti, Akyem, etc. – presumably taken as war captives. Owing to their militaristic background and common Akan language, Coromantins organized dozens of slave rebellions in Jamaica and elsewhere in the Caribbean. Their fierce, rebellious nature became so notorious among white plantation owners in the 18th century that an Act was proposed to ban the importation of people from the Gold Coast despite their reputation as strong workers. The Akans had the single largest African cultural influence on Jamaica, including Jamaican Maroons whose culture and language was seen as a derivation of Akan. Names of some notable Coromantee leaders such as Cudjoe, Quamin, Cuffy, and Quamina correspond to Akan day names Kojo, Kwame, Kofi, and Kwabena, respectively.Half true. There is a lot of Igbo influence in Jamaica as well. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Jayvarley(m): 10:43pm On Oct 08, 2013 |
Black Kenichi: True especially linguistically. |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 11:47pm On Oct 08, 2013 |
smh |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Jayvarley(m): 11:51pm On Oct 08, 2013 |
*Kails*: Don't worry I'm just massaging Igbo Egos before I get real mad on them. Ever notice how the word IGBO and the word EGO are synonymous?! |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by Nobody: 12:08am On Oct 09, 2013 |
lol na wa for u jay! |
Re: Which Culture Has The Strongest Influence Among The African Diaspora? by RandomAfricanAm: 11:06am On Oct 09, 2013 |
Supper: The french Company of the Indies(primarily a colonial and slave trading firm), had monopoly over the colony of Louisiana and also the slave trade of the Senegambian region, with their Fort St. Louis headquarters of the Company of the Indies in Africa, being located in modern day Northern Senegal. This created the slave trading Senegal-Louisiana concessions of the 18th and 19th century, which was the primary reason two-thirds of the slaves brought to Louisiana came through the Senegambian region. I made a post on this topic earlier... https://www.nairaland.com/1262726/endangered-african-american-musical-instruments |
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