frumentius:

Not sure which is the august classiness: using one's different accounts to like one's comments or using them to converse with each other. Supremely covertly, of course.

andrewza:




The t90 is not the most advanced t72 varriet any more. The most advanced version is the T72B3

I the T90 is just a T72 in fact it was first called the T72 but but the name changed to make it seem more modern.


All so the T90 defence is less for RPG and more for ATGMs and tanks. It fitted with a laser warning receiver that when triggered turn the turret to the threat, activates a IR jammer that through of older Gen ATGMs (that is actually being removed from the upgraded T90s) and fires smoke. The aim is warn the crew, face the srtrongest armor to the threat, blind the threat and the gun is aimed there to so you can kill the threat. For RPG the T72 all use ERA.



One more thing T72 don't have a loader the crew is commander, gunner and driver.

barineh:


Exactly my point we should order the T72b3 to save costs so we can have funds for other things

Patchesagain:


I have no intention of creating conflict **but**

Of all the things one could buy - why in gods name would Nigeria buy MBT's?

Certain forum members are exhibiting a great degree of childish ignorance (blissful no doubt) by advocating such things.

The Professionals, that being your Officer Corps, will no doubt be looking at more mundane, practical and cost-effective force-multipliers - things that are actually likely to get used - more MRAP's, heavy weapons, logistics vehicles, Comms, medical equipment, training facilities etc etc. Also, there is the fact that the Army formations has no doubt suffered varying degrees of equipment attrition in the NE and that all has to be replaced, repaired and so on and so forth.

With armies, you could drop $1 billion and see nothing more than new boots and a mountain of spare parts and ammo boxes - and that would be a good thing.

Patchesagain:


I have no intention of creating conflict **but**

Of all the things one could buy - why in gods name would Nigeria buy MBT's?

Certain forum members are exhibiting a great degree of childish ignorance (blissful no doubt) by advocating such things.

The Professionals, that being your Officer Corps, will no doubt be looking at more mundane, practical and cost-effective force-multipliers - things that are actually likely to get used - more MRAP's, heavy weapons, logistics vehicles, Comms, medical equipment, training facilities etc etc. Also, there is the fact that the Army formations has no doubt suffered varying degrees of equipment attrition in the NE and that all has to be replaced, repaired and so on and so forth.

With armies, you could drop $1 billion and see nothing more than new boots and a mountain of spare parts and ammo boxes - and that would be a good thing.

#Photooftheday Bukavu, South Kivu, DR Congo: Following South Kivu Governor's demand #MONUSCO evacuated to Bukavu hospital 8 critically wounded casualties from the truck accident in Bunyakiri (that left 17 people dead). #DRC

Patchesagain:


I have no intention of creating conflict **but**

Of all the things one could buy - why in gods name would Nigeria buy MBT's?

Certain forum members are exhibiting a great degree of childish ignorance (blissful no doubt) by advocating such things.

The Professionals, that being your Officer Corps, will no doubt be looking at more mundane, practical and cost-effective force-multipliers - things that are actually likely to get used - more MRAP's, heavy weapons, logistics vehicles, Comms, medical equipment, training facilities etc etc. Also, there is the fact that the Army formations has no doubt suffered varying degrees of equipment attrition in the NE and that all has to be replaced, repaired and so on and so forth.

With armies, you could drop $1 billion and see nothing more than new boots and a mountain of spare parts and ammo boxes - and that would be a good thing.

Algerian1:
How many T 72 nigerian army have in service ? found different numbers on internet

Odunayaw:
Bless you Paul! Bless you!!

andrewza:


The t90 is not the most advanced t72 varriet any more. The most advanced version is the T72B3

I the T90 is just a T72 in fact it was first called the T72 but but the name changed to make it seem more modern.

All so the T90 defence is less for RPG and more for ATGMs and tanks. It fitted with a laser warning receiver that when triggered turn the turret to the threat, activates a IR jammer that through of older Gen ATGMs (that is actually being removed from the upgraded T90s) and fires smoke. The aim is warn the crew, face the srtrongest armor to the threat, blind the threat and the gun is aimed there to so you can kill the threat. For RPG the T72 all use ERA.

One more thing T72 don't have a loader the crew is commander, gunner and driver.

SupremeCourt:


All T-72 models including your best T-72B3 model keep heavy loads of high explosive ammunition in same storage area with operating soldiers, so it cooks their flesh to ashes once a T-72 is hit in that space.

T-72 has no anti-missile self-defence, no passive mixed armour, no 8km range camera, no 5 km range gun sight like T-90.

25 new T-90 for Nigeria is only 10% of this new $1 billion war fund, so military planners still have 90% to use for many things.

Will you allow your country South Africa to spend $2 billion on special war fund 2014, then $1 billion more special war fund 2017, add the $3 billion normal budget for weapons procurement 2014-2018, then your ANC government buys 50 second hand T-72 then replaces them with another 50 second hand T-72 upgraded by South African DENEL from a huge $6 billion wartime arms fund, will you come here and praise South African government for buying T-72 same way you recommend more T-72 for Nigeria 2018?

Open Oxford dictionary and look up the meaning of hypocrite.

Its on record, Nigeria began to win back the 70 towns we captured by Boko Haram only when T-72 arrived, so night fighter and ERA armour tanks saved us from defeat, good coaches dont change a winning team.

Why did Algerian army generals fighting terrorists with 300 T-72 including South African upgraded T-72 suddenly order 500 T-90 in 2006? Why did Syrian army generals that have T-72 fighting terrorists ask Russia to send T-90 tanks in 2015? Why did Iraqi army generals that have like 100 T-72 tanks order 300 T-90 tanks in 2017?

You people believe all those army generals that have decades of war experience with terrorists are fools? I want you to lie to yourself in attempt to prove me wrong. Now start telling lies like it will make you rich overnight, on your marks, set, go!

iblawi:


You are on point guy. Many expect too much from $1 billion dollars. My worry is that election campaign starts next year.

Adminisher:


You are right. It is stupid to buy MBTs. There is no future projection study on warfare that predicts that MBTs are going to be useful.
UAVs, UGVs, USVs, robots, battlefield display systems, AI, attack choppers, et.c that is what to spend the money on.

Nigeria Airforce also needs SU 30s or MIG 35s to bomb with heavily and reach as far as possible.

andrewza:




As I said the T90 is the second best T72. The T90 is just a T72 it was littraly called the the T72BU before the name was changed to make it look more modern.


Actually a number of T72 have thermal cameras it not a T90 only thing.



The anti missile system of the T90 does not stop RPGs that the ERA. And the newier T72s have the same protection.



Those countries bought T90 because they wanted a new tank problem is the T90 production has stopped with a effort to switch over to the T14



The ammo issue of the the T72 is still there for the T90. It due the carasol system required by the use of a Auto Loader. The T90 ERA just stopped all the hits penatrating the same Era used on modern T72s

Ibrahimanees:
The last time I checked, this is African military and security thread NOT Nigerian. DHQ could buy a tank that flies or a WW1 tank, Kenyans, Saffas, Algerians and the rest of Africa don't give a fvck.
T90 T14 Abrams, the rest don't give a fvck, F 22 F 35 or Armstrong Whitworth Scimitar, the rest don't give fvck. And I am sure the Great Emperor Augustus will be rolling and cursing in his grave that somebody bearing his name is so stupid and self centered. Please Algerian, newafricaken continue posting those beautiful pictures. Ignore the cockroach in the room that claims to be an elephant.

Algerian1:
The T 90 MS is the most advanced version of the serie , they put some stuff from the T90MS on this last T72 B3 ( engine , armour.) and they will probably do the same on the T 90 versions. and a tank is used in armies for 20 , 30 years and more . russian futur tank industry will focus on T14 armata and T 90 MS , T90 S ( second line) . upgrade and maintenance will be difficult for T72 versions in 10 , 15 years

T72 are good for terrorists and even for conventionnal wars (especially in africa with less air force super powers ) ...( irak syria algeria still use them massively ) but i think also nigeria should go for T90 MS , T90 S and not for terrorists but for First line MBT to be prepared to a conventionnal war ! for one of the biggest country in africa you should have a good armored Division to impose its regional power for neighbours . T 72 cant be upgrade to T90 ( different turret design) and nigeria dont have a lot of T72M1 ( 50 , to 77 ) . and bought second hand ( from hungary army that received them in 1982 to 1985 from soviets) . Thats more than 30 years in service ( even if it was in storage ) and refurbished by czech Excalibur compagny .

so i think nigerian army should go for a new tank from russian plants as first line MBT to build a strategy development for 20 , 30 futur years .

SupremeCourt:


All T-72 models including your best T-72B3 model keep heavy loads of high explosive ammunition in same storage area with operating soldiers, so it cooks their flesh to ashes once a T-72 is hit in that space.

SupremeCourt:

T-72 has no anti-missile self-defence

SupremeCourt:

no passive mixed armour,

SupremeCourt:

no 8km range camera, no 5 km range gun sight like T-90.

Covert1:


The present nature of warfare by proxies rather than state-on-state warfare fits that prognosis however any modern conventional war or as we see with heavily armed and highly mobile quasi-armies like ISIS, BHT etc Tanks become necessary else you struggle in offensives and can't hold ground, the north east, Syria and elsewhere come to mind.