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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by QuietMynd: 10:21am On Dec 17, 2017 |
frumentius:Wait, are u concerned about his post and likes the guy have reduced u to a monitoring spirit. 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 11:34am On Dec 17, 2017 |
Some days....
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by barineh(m): 1:06pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
andrewza: Exactly my point we should order the T72b3 to save costs so we can have funds for other things |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 2:47pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
barineh: I have no intention of creating conflict **but** Of all the things one could buy - why in gods name would Nigeria buy MBT's? Certain forum members are exhibiting a great degree of childish ignorance (blissful no doubt) by advocating such things. The Professionals, that being your Officer Corps, will no doubt be looking at more mundane, practical and cost-effective force-multipliers - things that are actually likely to get used - more MRAP's, heavy weapons, logistics vehicles, Comms, medical equipment, training facilities etc etc. Also, there is the fact that the Army formations has no doubt suffered varying degrees of equipment attrition in the NE and that all has to be replaced, repaired and so on and so forth. With armies, you could drop $1 billion and see nothing more than new boots and a mountain of spare parts and ammo boxes - and that would be a good thing. 6 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 3:00pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
drc 2 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Adminisher: 3:10pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
Patchesagain: You are right. It is stupid to buy MBTs. There is no future projection study on warfare that predicts that MBTs are going to be useful. UAVs, UGVs, USVs, robots, battlefield display systems, AI, attack choppers, et.c that is what to spend the money on. Nigeria Airforce also needs SU 30s or MIG 35s to bomb with heavily and reach as far as possible. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by golfsierra: 4:03pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
Tactical belt rig used at State House by G-Coy 2 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by newafricaken254: 4:03pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
Residents of Jogoo Road estate in Nairobi’s Eastlands are talking about one of the best police stakeouts, culminating in the gunning down of three gangsters on Friday. Undercover officers arrived in the estate at 8am but remained unnoticeable until 6pm when a fierce shoot-out ensued. All the time, one of the undercover officers walked around the estate dressed in an overall similar to those worn by Kenya Power technicians, complete with the company’s logo. Another one sought casual employment at a nearby construction site and spent the entire duration carrying bags of sand on his back, from the ground to the upper floors of a building under construction. Two others whiled away the hours chatting with the estate’s layabouts. In one instance, they bargained hard for a bowl of soup and settled down to consume it in one of the many kiosks. Another of the undercover officers sat on a wooden bench at a shop, sipping soda and watching over a carton box. DREW FIREARMS Minutes before 6pm, six men, including the “construction worker,” rushed to the carton box, dipped their hands inside and drew out firearms. Some grabbed pistols while others took AK-47 assault rifles. A shoot-out ensued. After five minutes, three suspected gangsters lay dead on the busy street that connects Jogoo Road to the estate. But it is the demeanour of the undercover officers that left the residents in awe. The officers did not look like common policemen. One of them spotted dreadlocks and, throughout the stakeout, chewed miraa. Another had an unkempt beard and wore baggy trousers and an oversize T-shirt. BODA BODA Yet another sat on his motorcycle all day, posing as a boda boda rider but did not call out for customers. As gunshots rent the air, uniformed officers from the nearby Jogoo Road Police Station arrived in a marked car but the undercover team waved them away. They swiftly retreated. A resident identified one of the felled men. “This is Mose. He sat beside me last Sunday right here at Pewa Bar. We were watching the Manchester (United and Manchester City) match last Sunday,” he said. Nairobi Police Commander Japheth Koome said the three were part of a gang involved in robberies and killings in the city. “We recovered three firearms and ammunition from them. This was through intelligence. A member of the public tipped us. They were planning a robbery,” he said. The Nation learnt that the gang met at Pewa Bar before the shooting http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/3-thugs-killed-Jogoo-Road-police-stakeout/1954174-4231590-ni3tuuz/index.html 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 4:17pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
Patchesagain: You are on point guy. Many expect too much from $1 billion dollars. My worry is that election campaign starts next year. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ViceAdmirlAgain: 4:44pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 6:10pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
Patchesagain:Bless you Paul! Bless you!! |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by newafricaken254: 6:56pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
staff of kenya national defence college visiting Pakistan Aeronautical Complex
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:46pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
How many T 72 nigerian army have in service ? found different numbers on internet |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Ibrahimanees: 7:56pm On Dec 17, 2017 |
Algerian1:According to Wikipedia, it's 50 but some websites are saying 77. But it's definitely not up to 100. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 1:05am On Dec 18, 2017 |
Odunayaw:The sense I am getting from people eho should know.: Does not include Tanks. Ammo Spares Comms Intel Logistics APCs* *This has to do with the state visit of PMB to Turkey last year. There is also a very strong possibility with the new Army Airwings of some of those Eurocopters. Patches quite a few of us do not believe more Tanks are in the $1B shopping lists. Logistics. Rocketry for existing platforms. Things like that come to mind. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by SupremeCourt: 2:47am On Dec 18, 2017 |
andrewza: All T-72 models including your best T-72B3 model keep heavy loads of high explosive ammunition in same storage area with operating soldiers, so it cooks their flesh to ashes once a T-72 is hit in that space. T-72 has no anti-missile self-defence, no passive mixed armour, no 8km range camera, no 5 km range gun sight like T-90. 25 new T-90 for Nigeria is only 10% of this new $1 billion war fund, so military planners still have 90% to use for many things. Will you allow your country South Africa to spend $2 billion on special war fund 2014, then $1 billion more special war fund 2017, add the $3 billion normal budget for weapons procurement 2014-2018, then your ANC government buys 50 second hand T-72 then replaces them with another 50 second hand T-72 upgraded by South African DENEL from a huge $6 billion wartime arms fund, will you come here and praise South African government for buying T-72 same way you recommend more T-72 for Nigeria 2018? Open Oxford dictionary and look up the meaning of hypocrite. Its on record, Nigeria began to win back the 70 towns we captured by Boko Haram only when T-72 arrived, so night fighter and ERA armour tanks saved us from defeat, good coaches dont change a winning team. Why did Algerian army generals fighting terrorists with 300 T-72 including South African upgraded T-72 suddenly order 500 T-90 in 2006? Why did Syrian army generals that have T-72 fighting terrorists ask Russia to send T-90 tanks in 2015? Why did Iraqi army generals that have like 100 T-72 tanks order 300 T-90 tanks in 2017? You people believe all those army generals that have decades of war experience with terrorists are fools? I want you to lie to yourself in attempt to prove me wrong. Now start telling lies like it will make you rich overnight, on your marks, set, go! 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:36am On Dec 18, 2017 |
SupremeCourt: As I said the T90 is the second best T72. The T90 is just a T72 it was littraly called the the T72BU before the name was changed to make it look more modern. Actually a number of T72 have thermal cameras it not a T90 only thing. The anti missile system of the T90 does not stop RPGs that the ERA. And the newier T72s have the same protection. Those countries bought T90 because they wanted a new tank problem is the T90 production has stopped with a effort to switch over to the T14 The ammo issue of the the T72 is still there for the T90. It due the carasol system required by the use of a Auto Loader. The T90 ERA just stopped all the hits penatrating the same Era used on modern T72s 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 7:15am On Dec 18, 2017 |
iblawi: Antecedents of Nigeria's politics makes your worry well founded however again I'd assume the current President will do much better with the funds. We should dare to hope this time for the best. At least it may just come down to one man if our merciful God finds him which He couldn't in Sodom and Gomorrah. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 7:26am On Dec 18, 2017 |
Adminisher: It is not stupid to buy MBTs. Armour is armour only difference is caliber and technology that comes with it. It's a fact T-72s inducted were instrumental in reclaiming towns and villages occupied by BHT terrorists at the height of the war. Your assertion of Tanks not envisaged in future warfare is subjective depending on who you are listening to. The present nature of warfare by proxies rather than state-on-state warfare fits that prognosis however any modern conventional war or as we see with heavily armed and highly mobile quasi-armies like ISIS, BHT etc Tanks become necessary else you struggle in offensives and can't hold ground, the north east, Syria and elsewhere come to mind. Yes a lot of Intel will be procured as well as tons of logistics but with a mix of modern tanks too. The 3rd Armoured division Jos integrated with fighting forces in the North-East has borne the brunt of offensives against hitherto BHT strongholds and need attrition replacements. And no amount of artificial intelligence can replace the human mind that knows what it wants in the heat of combat. The Sukhoi's have shown incredible might in Syria in the hands of the Russians. I still maintain we need the long range and weapon load capability of the flankers. I particularly like the touted laser capability of the Mig-35 and the potential of shooting down satellites a feature not to be discounted in future wars. I think though the flankers in the hands of a skillful pilot can perform that feat. Though some see the JF-17 Thunder performing multi-role functions which it can and especially the capability to deliver nuclear weapons something Egyptian Rafales can't do -- Whichever NAFs strategic imperatives on the continent requires a heavy fighter with long range air-air and ground bombing capability. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 7:29am On Dec 18, 2017 |
andrewza: Designation is not the problem I think. It is clear Syrian T-90s performed excellently well and Armies watching would of course be interested. That's the point. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Ibrahimanees: 9:52am On Dec 18, 2017 |
The last time I checked, this is African military and security thread NOT Nigerian. DHQ could buy a tank that flies or a WW1 tank, Kenyans, Saffas, Algerians and the rest of Africa don't give a fvck. T90 T14 Abrams, the rest don't give a fvck, F 22 F 35 or Armstrong Whitworth Scimitar, the rest don't give fvck. And I am sure the Great Emperor Augustus will be rolling and cursing in his grave that somebody bearing his name is so stupid and self centered. Please Algerian, newafricaken continue posting those beautiful pictures. Ignore the cockroach in the room that claims to be an elephant. 4 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 10:03am On Dec 18, 2017 |
Ibrahimanees: Shut up! Re.tard clone of lionel4power the double spy a disgrace to Nigerianness. Who told u they don't give a fvck. These people resent us and were it not we are a powerful country they'd have since split us to smithereens something many of them secretly desire. Envy will smite you assuredly. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:04am On Dec 18, 2017 |
The T 90 MS is the most advanced version of the serie , they put some stuff from the T90MS on this last T72 B3 ( engine , armour.) and they will probably do the same on the T 90 versions. and a tank is used in armies for 20 , 30 years and more . russian futur tank industry will focus on T14 armata and T 90 MS , T90 S ( second line) . upgrade and maintenance will be difficult for T72 versions in 10 , 15 years T72 are good for terrorism big insurgency and even for conventionnal wars (especially in africa with less air force super powers ) ...( irak syria algeria still use them massively ) but i think also nigeria should go for T90 MS , T90 S and not for terrorists but for First line MBT to be prepared to a conventionnal war ! for one of the biggest country in africa you should have a good armored Division to impose its regional power for neighbours . T 72 cant be upgrade to T90 ( different turret design) and nigeria dont have a lot of T72M1 ( 50 , to 77 ) . and bought second hand ( from hungary army that received them in 1982 to 1985 from soviets) . Thats more than 30 years in service ( even if it was in storage ) and refurbished by czech Excalibur compagny . so i think nigerian army should go for a new tank from russian plants as first line MBT to build a strategy development for 20 , 30 futur years . 5 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:21am On Dec 18, 2017 |
morocco 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 11:53am On Dec 18, 2017 |
Algerian1: Fair enough, well said. Such thinking is what we need not bias and envy against a country vaunting is natural might. That (patch) thing and his "likes" have no clue of military thinking but wannabee military 'experts' who have no clue of military thinking. A large army like Nigeria's need modern main battle tanks the likes you postulated. The world is an unpredictable place. It is even a shame we are here talking of a token 77 or so second hand T-72 tanks -- which corruption got us -- for a country of some 200 million people with a GDP of half a trillion dollars depending on whose exchange rate you use. If I were that man at DHQ Abuja planning things I'd be pushing hard for German Leopards, it's just my amazing tank of the modern era except of cause the T-14 Armata as a probable alternative and why not it's time Nigeria stop buying like 'children' seriously, picking one here and two there. The T-90 may suffice as a minimum. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ssaengine: 1:50pm On Dec 18, 2017 |
Back to pics... 5 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:52pm On Dec 18, 2017 |
egypt 3 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:54pm On Dec 18, 2017 |
egypt 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:03pm On Dec 18, 2017 |
egyptian army
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:06pm On Dec 18, 2017 |
more egypt
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 2:10pm On Dec 18, 2017 |
SupremeCourt: T-90 stores its ammo in the exact same way SupremeCourt: WHICH T-72? SupremeCourt: Both A-series and B-series T72's have spaced composite armor. T72B3 also has the exact same ERA (Kontakt-5) as the T-90 built into its hull. SupremeCourt:The specifications you provide are bullsh1t. Targil =/= T90. T-72B3 uses the Sonsa-U, which is more modern than the 1A45T used on the T-90/T80 (some use the 1A43). Theoretical engagement range for the Sonsa-U is beyond the guns effective range (up to 7km). Both the T72B3 and T90 will get the Kalina FCS (found in the T-14) integrated into them. See, this is your problem. You are like a child - these weird fantasies. Like a "T-90" (which one?) is just automatically "better" than a "T-72" (again, which one?). You are so ignorant on this topic that you didnt even know the correct number of crew, let alone any actual specifications. Just stop. 8 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 2:26pm On Dec 18, 2017 |
Covert1: Weird. The Syrian Army had over 4000 MBT's at the start of the conflict... Its almost as though MBT's are largely useless in asymmetrical warfare. 1 Like |
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