Ibrahim Mav:

I'd like to see your evidence please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvR047jr38g

frosbel:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvR047jr38g

I need real evidence, not this. I don't take YouTube propagandas serious.

Ibrahim Mav:

I need real evidence, not this. I don't take YouTube propagandas serious.

watch it, scripture is quoted to support their position.

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I normally don't bother with YouTube evidences because it's mostly biased. Being a video doesn't make it's credibility any better than the text version. I want evidence that I can read with references to back it up. Anything short of that is just...blowing smoke.

Hello Ibrahim

Its wonderful U are here seeking truth. I trust God U will find it.

Now a word to Christians: it doesn't matter whether a person is phony or not; ours is to 'give a ready answer to anyone who ask of this hope we have placed faith in'. He may use it against us, but someday a true seeker will come and it will liberate him.

Back to Ibrahim, I am constrained with having to type on a phone but... on a second thought bc of U I will load my glo modem this moment and trust God to deliver a thought to U.

Coming Soon...

DrummaBoy: Hello Ibrahim

Its wonderful U are here seeking truth. I trust God U will find it.

Now a word to Christians: it doesn't matter whether a person is phony or not; ours is to 'give a ready answer to anyone who ask of this hope we have placed faith in'. He may use it against us, but someday a true seeker will come and it will liberate him.

Back to Ibrahim, I am constrained with having to type on a phone but... on a second thought bc of U I will load my glo modem this moment and trust God to deliver a thought to U.

Coming Soon...

At last! A response i have been waiting for! May you remain blessed brother.

Waiting...

Ibrahim Mav:

Why would you think that I'm lying?



I never said that i don't understand Islam, instead it was that I wasn't a very dedicated one due to many of it's contradictions and hypocrisy. And I'm not running away from it, rather I'm contemplating the possibility of joining another religion. Christianity seems to be a welcome option since they worship the same God(Allah) as Muslims.



Like I mentioned earlier, it's hypocrisy and high handedness never appealed to me much. It's also too rigid.



Allow me to answer your question with 2 questions. Are you a Christian? If you are, isn't it your job to tell me why Christianity should serve me better?



But i thought I'm the one that should be asking the questions since i created the thread in the first place, no be so?

my dear brother apologies for d cautious tone of my christian bros them, which u may rightly percieve as judgemental. If u've been a a careful follower of this section of Nl, u'l notice that this is d ussual way non-christians normally cause distraction in our threads. Thats ntwithstanding, i will like to share sm advice. As a christian, God only deal with us tro what is in our heart, if u are sincere, God will always find u out. Pls read the story of Cornelius, d 1st non-jewish christian(gentle) recorded in Acts10, pls read d whole chapter, then also d story of d Ethiopian eunock in Acts8:26-40, u'l see dat bc these ppl were sincere, God sent sincere preachers to them. Now my brother, dont let any man decieve u, u cant undastand d bible if u re not a christian, no matter what i'l explain to u. D word of God is ,revealed' by God to his ppl, christianity and Christ can only be 'experienced' than undastood, and it is very easy bc what God did in Jesus was for d whole world n nt christians only- john3:16 "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTENED SON, THAT WHO-SO-EVER BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE". Pls mark d words, 'who so ever'. Pls talk to Jesus, only if u r sincere, waiting eagerly to welcome u to d farmily. God bless u plenty.

christemmbassey: my dear brother apologies for d cautious tone of my christian bros them, which u may rightly percieve as judgemental. If u've been a a careful follower of this section of Nl, u'l notice that this is d ussual way non-christians normally cause distraction in our threads. Thats ntwithstanding, i will like to share sm advice. As a christian, God only deal with us tro what is in our heart, if u are sincere, God will always find u out. Pls read the story of Cornelius, d 1st non-jewish christian(gentle) recorded in Acts10, pls read d whole chapter, then also d story of d Ethiopian eunock in Acts8:26-40, u'l see dat bc these ppl were sincere, God sent sincere preachers to them. Now my brother, dont let any man decieve u, u cant undastand d bible if u re not a christian, no matter what i'l explain to u. D word of God is ,revealed' by God to his ppl, christianity and Christ can only be 'experienced' than undastood, and it is very easy bc what God did in Jesus was for d whole world n nt christians only- john3:16 "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTENED SON, THAT WHO-SO-EVER BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE". Pls mark d words, 'who so ever'. Pls talk to Jesus, only if u r sincere, waiting eagerly to welcome u to d farmily. God bless u plenty.

After reading this, all the lingering feeling of anger I might have felt disappeared completely. That's more like it, the Christian attitude that I know and admire.

Hello Ibrahim,
I really can't place it at the moment but for some reason, I do not believe you. Anyways, let's have some fun...

1) Why do you want to convert in the first
place? If you are yet to understand Islam,
what exactly then is chasing you from there?

2) Why haven't you been a practicing
Muslim?

3) If you can't practice Islam properly after
23 years, why then do you think you can
practice Christianity?

I have some more questions but the above
should suffice for now.

U rightly perceived, the guy isn't sincere!

Pal, if you are really seeking after GOD , no man will stand in your way, I tend to agree with striktlymi's analysis though

Christian hospitality and tolerance in full display...lol

Ibrahim Mav:

Interesting point of view, but I don't agree. I know for a fact that Judaism, Islam and Christianity worship the same God, but different approach and doctrines get in the way and hence the never-ending squabbles.

Christains don't worship the same God as islam,instead there is a little similarity btw judaism and islam!
Right from the creation story to the end,you will see the difference.
And more importantly,If you want to know the difference,look at their view and understanding of who Jesus is.
Islam don't believ in Jesus as the messiah and saviour,they don't see Him as the Lord,nd also as the Son of God.
Again no matter waht we tell you,until u sincerely desire it,nothing may happen,God can only work with a sincere heart.
The proof you need i believe is in the The Word of Jesus,study Him,His Life,His Words...ask Him to reveal himself to you,forget about what you v been told,study the Bible as if you v not heard abt it before...read through John,to Acts,to d 2 other gospel and the whole NT.
I pray God will help you and the Lord will reveal himself to you as you sincerely search for Him!
Shalom.

At the risk of serving a ban due to derailment, I strongly urged the OP to embrace atheism. When you rid your mind of all this shackles imposed by religion, only then will you be truly free.

Ibrahim Mav:

I never said that i don't understand Islam, instead it was that I wasn't a very dedicated one due to many of it's contradictions and hypocrisy. And I'm not running away from it, rather I'm contemplating the possibility of joining another religion. Christianity seems to be a welcome option since they worship the same God(Allah) as Muslims.

If you are as skeptical as you seem to be, you'll find contradictions, errors, and hypocrisy in all religions, and I don't think you'll be really satisfied with any of them. I don't see why you can't create your own personal religion based on what you believe, or just be a deist if you absolutely believe that a god exists in some form that actually cares about us.

Dan_de_Numeruno: At the risk of serving a ban due to derailment, I strongly urged the OP to embrace atheism. When you rid your mind of all this shackles imposed by religion, only then will you be truly free.

Inasmuch as the concept of atheism is tempting, i have seen a lot of things in my time to know that God exist, so i strongly reject your proposition sir!

Okay... let's make some progress.

Let me say up front that I am not an authority in the quoran neither do I believe that the Christian God is the same Allah Muslims worship. There are just too many things that distinguish the two but I will not go into an academic scrutiny of that. Frosbel may help you out in that regards with the materials at his disposal.

Now, for a long time I have began to question the whole process of becoming a Christian. The usual thing in our churches is for us to hear the gospel message, come out to the front of the church and "give your life to Christ". I am convinced such exercises do not convert most people; although God is sovereign and we have people who meet the Lord that way. But how then does one come to meet the true God... How can one be "saved"(Permit me to use the Christian parlance)?

I would not bore you with a lot of bible scriptures but let me show just one here (my favorite):

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Here Jesus talks about two things 1. Knowing God 2. Eternal Life

It is because of 1. that you opened this thread: You desire to know God. Like someone has said, if you truly desire to know the true God who made heaven and earth, he will reveal himself to you; either through this thread or through some other means; it is his duty to do so.

Now, we also see Jesus talk about eternal life and then makes this connection: that knowledge or understanding God is eternal life.

See, Ibrahim, I am not going to belabor the point of why the bible has so many versions and why the quoran has just one. It is simply obvious: the bible has been subject to many translations based on scholars preferences. And it has only been to our advantage because those who do not understand the original languages with which the scriptures were written may use this various translations to catch a glimpse of God's mind in a text. I cannot say much on the quoran; but I am sure other Christians here can help out with that.

The important thing is seeking knowledge of God: the right knowledge of God.

Let me relay a story you may know well but pls for the sake of this knowledge thing you have come to seek here assume you've never heard it before and be open:

God created a world He Himself said was "good" and perfect. Satan tempted our first parents: Adam and Eve and they sinned and were sent out of paradise. Though God pursued them away, from that moment on He, God, has been at the forefront of redeeming or saving man from his sins. The first thing God did after Adam and Eve sinned was to kill an animal and use the fore to cover them both for clothing, Genesis 3:21. What we see there is the providential faithfullness of a God of love stretching his arm out to fallen and shameful man. But what that scripture protrays is the redeeming act of God, who will someday become the lamb of God to be sacrificed for the sins of the whole world.

Sin raged on from the time of Adam and even up until now and it seemed fallen man would never find hope; would never find God; would never find redemption. Then a ray of hope showed forth: Many years after Adam's sin, an angel appeared to Joseph and Mary, with a message:

Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

This message was about Jesus, who will be born of the Holy Ghost, from a virgin mother Mary. He sole purpose for coming to the world will be to save people from sin. So we see that by one man, Adam, sin came to all humanity; and then by another man, Jesus, we shall be saved from sin.

Sin shows itself in two way: 1. In our nature 2. By our actions. Jesus has come to save from both of them. The nature of sin is an inherited one from our parents and that is why no one teaches a child to lie or abuse or fight, etc. It is a nautre of sin manifesting itself. It is from this nature that the evil that men do manifests. When Jesus came, he came first to transform our nature from that of a sinner to that of a righteous person. That is what it means to be born-again. The bible shows that the man that is born-again is a new creature (2 cor 5:17)

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new

. But this creature is actually likened to a child in the bible, 1 Peter 2:2:

2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

. A baby is expected to grow. But there is something else about a baby: A baby throws tantrums; a baby is not mature; a baby thinks like a baby; etc. So therefore, it is incumbent on a baby to outgrow all these.

Many people criticize Christians for doing a lot of bad things and even say they are not true Christians. While this may be true, the truth is that a Christian who does not grow has the tendency to do immature things; to behave as if he is not a Christian. And so we are told not to judge one another; only God knows those who are his.

So Christ came to secure a salvation for us. A salvation from sin and its effect in life. When we are thus born-again, we are expected to therefore grow. If through Adam we became sinful by first having the nature of sin and living as sinners; in Jesus two things happen to us: we become righteous and we have the ability in us to live a righteous/holy life. In the first case we did not become sinners by our own efforts but by simply being born to our parents; so likewise in the second case, no one can become righteous by his own effort but simply by trusting in Jesus. When you trust Jesus he gives you a perfect righteousness. That is the way God sees you: perfect! Without doing anything to earn it!! This itself, is the gospel message, the fact that what we could not do to please a perfect God perfectly, Christ did for us. The life we now live, we live trusting Jesus daily for right standing with God. This is the very solution to sin the angel was talking about in Matthew 1:21.The process of knowing God is believing in Jesus, at one time and at all times, thereby we become born again and then like a child is expected to grow into adulthood, with the expected ups and downs of growing up, a Christian also can grow into full maturity, showing forth the perfection and holy lifestyle that God expects from him.

The whole process of a Christian attaining maturity is a lifelong effort and learning, and it cannot be fully discussed here.

Surfeit to say this: that understanding God is eternal life. But that is were Satan would attack you because he would present different messages on God to you. The knowledge of God that you need and that can save you is the one that is found in Jesus Christ.

I would leave there for now and trust that my brethren and I on this forum will help you comprehend the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ as we progress. I tell, if you are truly honest about finding God, you will find him here. But if you came here to make jest of the gospel message; it would do you no good. Salvation will evade you and go unto another person.

But I sense you are genuine and that is why I have taken the pain to go this length to explain God, through Jesus Christ, to you.

Hello...ooo... Ibrahim... where are you...?

DrummaBoy: Hello...ooo... Ibrahim... where are you...?

Sorry about the delay, DrummaBoy. You see, I was preoccupied with work, you know how it is.

First and foremost, accept my gratitude for the effort you must have put into writing this, it's thoughtful and made a lot of sense.

However, it kinda came off as a little condescending as if you were talking to somebody that has lost his way as oppose to a brother...don't get me wrong, it's a thoughtful write-up but not one that that gets the job done.

Let me say up front that I am not an authority in the quoran neither do I believe that the Christian God is the same Allah Muslims worship.

Reading the above comment made me realize something, and it's that majority of Christians, including you, don't respect Islam very much. As far as you are concern we are all heathens worshipping a moon or sun god, right?

But that's okay, what else is knew? I read on until...

Many people criticize Christians for doing a lot of bad things and even say they are not true Christians. While this may be true, the truth is that a Christian who does not grow has the tendency to do immature things; to behave as if he is not a Christian. And so we are told not to judge one another; only God knows those who are his.

You see how contradictory this is. It's almost like you were walking in circles. One moment, you don't believe that Christians have anything in common with Muslim, the next, you were advocating for tolerance.

Now, I'm very confused.

The rest of your post was okay, and did it's best to get the message across, but the two flaws that i already pointed out, rendered it's credibility mute.

You obviously meant well, but your post reeked of hypocrisy i simply can't ignore. I tried to do the polite thing and ignore it, but you persisted, so here goes...

christemmbassey is far more sincere and i would like to hear from him again.

That being said, I'm still contemplating Christianity but now I'm broadening my mind to other denominations or lack of thereof.

onetrack made a lot of sense.

If you are as skeptical as you seem to be, you'll find contradictions, errors, and hypocrisy in all religions, and I don't think you'll be really satisfied with any of them. I don't see why you can't create your own personal religion based on what you believe, or just be a deist if you absolutely believe that a god exists in some form that actually cares about us.

I really love that concept.

@Ibrahim

Indeed U are seeker and I trust God U will meet the Lord as U progress. I apologize for sounding condescending; and I hope to work on that.

We do our best to stimulate religious thinking in those we discuss the gospel with in the hope that as they meditate, they can come to understanding and grab saving faith. But the best that we do is still flawed bc only God knows the exact need of a man and He alone can meet it.

Nevertheless, your salvation is very near and I believe God that on this forum U will finally confess coming to know the true God.

Watch out for a coming thread on this forum that will discuss THE GRACE OF GOD THAT HAS APPEARED TO ALL MEN. On it there's a presentation for folks like U.

It is coming soon... God bless you!

striktlymi: Hello Ibrahim,

I really can't place it at the moment but for some reason, I do not believe you. Anyways, let's have some fun...


1) Why do you want to convert in the first place? If you are yet to understand Islam, what exactly then is chasing you from there?

2) Why haven't you been a practicing Muslim?

3) If you can't practice Islam properly after 23 years, why then do you think you can practice Christianity?

I have some more questions but the above should suffice for now.

I just dey laff. Why you suspect am ? Sherlock Holmes ni ! Give him the benefit of a doubt.

@ Ibrahim: Intersting questions and I happen to be (re)contemplating Christianity. What I can say from what I see on the streets is that Muslims on the whole seem to be more conservative than Christians. Sure I have seen a 'Western-looking' muslim (as in shaves, shags, dresses unlike how Muslims sometimes do) but I will advise you the same way I gave my opinion to a lady brought up by a Christian mum and Muslim dad contemplating between the 2 religions, I told her if she was okay with the kind of conservvatism usually associated with Islam she could stay, if she was more liberal-minded she should go for Christianity.

striktlymi: Hello Ibrahim,

I really can't place it at the moment but for some reason, I do not believe you. Anyways, let's have some fun...


1) Why do you want to convert in the first place? If you are yet to understand Islam, what exactly then is chasing you from there?

2) Why haven't you been a practicing Muslim?

3) If you can't practice Islam properly after 23 years, why then do you think you can practice Christianity?

I have some more questions but the above should suffice for now.

I just dey laff. Why you suspect am ? Sherlock Holmes ni ! Give him the benefit of a doubt.

@ Ibrahim: Intersting questions and I happen to be (re)contemplating Christianity. What I can say from what I see on the streets is that Muslims on the whole seem to be more conservative than Christians. Sure I have seen a 'Western-looking' muslim (as in shaves, shags, dresses unlike how Muslims sometimes do) but I will advise you the same way I gave my opinion to a lady brought up by a Christian mum and Muslim dad contemplating between the 2 religions, I told her if she was okay with the kind of conservvatism usually associated with Islam she could stay, if she was more liberal-minded she should go for Christianity.

Ibrahim Mav:
Sorry about the delay, DrummaBoy. You see, I was preoccupied with work, you know how it is.

Wish you well in work. I'm looking for one.

Ibrahim Mav:
First and foremost, accept my gratitude for the effort you must have put into writing this, it's thoughtful and made a lot of sense.

However, it kinda came off as a little condescending as if you were talking to somebody that has lost his way as oppose to a brother...don't get me wrong, it's a thoughtful write-up but not one that that gets the job done.

Okay.

Ibrahim Mav:
Reading the above comment made me realize something, and it's that majority of Christians, including you, don't respect Islam very much. As far as you are concern we are all heathens worshipping a moon or sun god, right?

But that's okay, what else is knew? I read on until..

.

You might be surprised that they actually respect Islam. And whether or not they do, atheists and Muslims even out things by
mocking the concept of Trinity or Jesus' divinity. Can't help but remember chakula (NL member) and his 'Ten Reasons Why Jesus Isn't God' thread while doing this. If you wat hed 'Ramadan Mubarak' on MITV during Ramadan you'll have seen that some Christians do appreciate aspects of Islam. Heck ! Even an agnostic did and I learnt from her that the 72 vrigins claim is false_a misinterpretation of the Quran.

Ibrahim Mav:
You see how contradictory this is. It's almost like you were walking in circles. One moment, you don't believe that Christians have anything in common with Muslim, the next, you were advocating for tolerance.

Contradictions necessarily exist in any aspect of thought. I wish I could go more on this but I won't because I might sound 'mystical'. But I could say that I could pick out contradictions in deism. A quick one is that it runs in the face of evidence-based reasoning to assume an after-life, yet I do.

Ibrahim Mav:
Now, I'm very confused.

Why ?

Ibrahim Mav:
The rest of your post was okay, and did it's best to get the message across, but the two flaws that i already pointed out, rendered it's credibility mute.

Okay.

Ibrahim Mav:
You obviously meant well, but your post reeked of hypocrisy i simply can't ignore. I tried to do the polite thing and ignore it, but you persisted, so here goes...

Mmmhmmn ! Ihedinobi's replies when I asked questions on the Christian God's love were just as irksome, smacked of the same pride he accused me of and flirted about clear questions. In fact, I should rehash them again:

Why would a loving God kill people as seen in the OT ?

Why should a loving God kill someone in order to forgive, why not just forgive ?

Why should you condemn generations unborn for eating a fruit ?

TBH if they gave a reasonably structured abswer I would have conceded it, to some extent Enigma did such. Not to mention, I had responded to such questions as a Christian. Oh well.
christemmbassey is far more sincere and i would like to hear from him again.

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That being said, I'm still contemplating Christianity but now I'm broadening my mind to other denominations or lack of thereof

Same here. But I have a bias for Latter Rain. I really do.

Ibrahim Mav:
onetrack made a lot of sense.


I really love that concept.

Curious. A sympathy to deism. Before stating my stance I did like some of what Baba Deep Sight wrote, his posts most surely played a part to my stance now, just happened as at then I was discreet about my thoughts but the result are known here.

@ Ibrahim, i'm encouraged to post this bc of ur above statement, b4 i proceed, i will like to testify that if there are sincere/honest and level headed true christians in this section of Nl, brother Adedeji(Drummaboy) is one of them. But d problem of most christians, including urs sincerely, is our proclivity to fall over and over reach ourselves as we enthusiastically celebrate a potential brother/sister. By so doing there's a tendency to sound 'we better pass then' which every human being will resist bc every human being was created with value, being created in the image and likeness of God , (gen 2:26) every human being is God's workmanship, important and unique. Now if u observed my 1st post, u will notice dat i refused to discus d koran or compare Islam and Christianity, y? Bc dat is nt what we were commissioned to do. The great commission as recorded in the bk of Mathew 28:19 to make discipls and to preach t gospell to every creature- mark 16:15. Finaly my brother, if u intend to leave Islam bc of muslims or koran u may end up an atheist, bc what u hate in muslims or Islam/Koran, u may find worst in christians(church goers)and d bible, but if u r looking for truth, u will find it in the Lord Jesus Christ and He will truely and surely set u free indeed john 8:32.. Remember Christ died for everybod and nt only for christians. Remain blessed.

Pastor Kun:

Sorry to interrupt but christians don't know any god called Allah neither do they worship him.

You must be deluded.. What then do your Arab brethren called God, if not Allah.

Ibrahim Mav:

Inasmuch as the concept of atheism is tempting, i have seen a lot of things in my time to know that God exist, so i strongly reject your proposition sir!

No problemo.

As rich as one gets, religion gets more meaningless. On the other hand, as poverty stricken as one gets, they embraces religion. Now, why is that?

Ramtzy:

You must be deluded.. What then do your Arab brethren called God, if not Allah.

Both of you are deluded, there is no god. or gods.

@ Ibrahim.. My candid advice for you is to thoroughly study the Bible first before studying christians to jump into their religion. Verify if what you are seeing them practice is actually according to the teaches of the bible or their own desire to blend with the modern day world. Believe me guy, no one is created without any responsibility and the humans responsibilities on earth would be defined by the creator of earth itself and not the creature in it. Then, if Bible, Quran and other holy books as claimed by their followers are the responsibility guide for human on earth by the it's creator. Main Question: who then actually follow whole heartedly these guiding laws? From my experience,a christain ONLY come to submit whole heartedly to the will of their creator(God) during Obituary annoucement.

Besides, 98% of christians don't know the entire bible, they only study and practice chapters that suite their desire or commanded by their pastors. thats why often time they become more confused when strange verses are quoted to them from same bible they claimed to have studied from pali to pali....just like the pastor in the below video link.
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@ Ibrahim.. My candid advice for you is to thoroughly study the Bible first before studying christians to jump into their religion. Verify if what you are seeing them practice is actually according to the teaches of the bible or their own desire to blend with the modern day world. Believe me guy, no one is created without any responsibility and the humans responsibilities on earth would be defined by the creator of earth itself and not the creature in it. Then, if Bible, Quran and other holy books as claimed by their followers are the responsibility guide for human on earth by the it's creator. Main Question: who then actually follow whole heartedly these guiding laws? From my experience,a christain ONLY come to submit whole heartedly to the will of their creator(God) during Obituary annoucement.

Besides, 98% of christians don't know the entire bible, they only study and practice chapters that suite their desire or commanded by their pastors. thats why often time they become more confused when strange verses are quoted to them from same bible they claimed to have studied from pali to pali....just like the pastor in the below video.
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@Ibrahim mav; i am learning about islam still. could you tell me what is it that is pushing you out of this way except you? you already said you are not truly into its practice. i see a lot of muslim arabs not fasting. infact not praying daily, too. each will tell you that he is defiant. tell me your case. i cant see myself worshiping a man like me in every respect or going through him to God Who has allowed me to approach Him directly. i do not believe the God Who created all will discriminate against His creation not because of their disbelief in Him but because they are born into the wrong nations of people, hence as gentiles they do not deserve mercy. i am not a person that believe that God is represented by a statue or there is no God or He has a hands off in our affairs. what master will not guide the subordinates, directing him into goodness steering him away from evil.



@frobel; pastor joseph is your best bet?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAszJ8VPdiE




note than Quran didnt copy what david wood admitted about bible.

IbrahimMav: Hello everyone my names Ibrahim im a 23 year old Muslim. I have been a Muslim my whole life (though not always truly practicing my faith) and have very little knowledge about Christianity and other Faiths. I would truly like to learn more about Christianity.

Questions:
1. How come there are many versions of the bible? Who altered them? Did they speak to God too? Im confused because there are so many versions how do I know which one is correct? Thanks.

2. I have been told by Imams and Scholars at meetings and conferences etc that not a Single Word has been altered in our Holy Quran throughout 1400 years. Is this fact? I have been on Christian sites where they say this is not true though some of these sites seem a little suspect. I have been lurking here for a while and can tell that for the most part this is one of the most honest forums on the net!

Thanks.

So what was going through your mind when you opened this thread?. And why and how were you able to recapture your Islamic identity?