elektra80:

u made some good points, but then some are off. Its true most Nigerian mechanics find it difficult to fix German sophisticated cars... But what about in the USA? The research was not based in Nigeria but in the USA, and the prices of those cars are in USD. So are u saying those mechanics too don't know what they are doing?

I don't argue that jap cars might visit the mechanic more frequently than European cars... But once those European cars start giving problem, u are gonna spend a whole lot to fix just one problem

ihimami:

I have looked at used car prices online and there is no way a 2003 Toyota Camry prices can be compared with 2003 E class or C class Mercedes. It is still cheaper to buy used 2003 Toyota Camry than to buy Audi A6 or Mercedes E class of the same year, and don't forget that even in US majority are not of the rich class, so it is expected that those car meant for average citizen such as Toyota and Honda brands will attract more patronage than the luxury brands.

ihimami:

I have looked at used car prices online and there is no way a 2003 Toyota Camry prices can be compared with 2003 E class or C class Mercedes. It is still cheaper to buy used 2003 Toyota Camry than to buy Audi A6 or Mercedes E class of the same year, and don't forget that even in US majority are not of the rich class, so it is expected that those car meant for average citizen such as Toyota and Honda brands will attract more patronage than the luxury brands.

fili24: The poster is really confused, those camry you listed are American specs, meaning they were produced either in USA or Canada.
I live in Germany and most of Toyota camry's comes from Yankee and Canada, That is why they're expensive.
Toyota is not in the same league with Mercedes benz or Bmw. These are luxury cars and they're very expensive to maintain.
Used Mercedes Benz, BMW or Porsche with low mileage will surely buy 2 camry's, even more

elektra80:

You are on point. Toyota and Honda are not in the same league with Benz and BMW. You said for urself that a used Mercedez Benz or BMW with low mileage will buy 2 camrys with low mileage.. ACCEPTED. But what happens to those German cars at high mileage? Their values drop at a faster rate at high mileage than their Japanese counterparts. That is my point. You will get a better resale value from a 10 year old Lexus RX330 with 150k plus mileage than u would from a 10 year old BMW x5 with same mileage (And don't tell me they are not in the same class). Likewise u will get a better resale value from a 10 year old Toyota Highlander Limited with 150k plus than u would from a Mercedez Benz ML350 with similar mileage.

KA24DETT:

We still have the notion that german cars are not reliable but they are catching up.
Japanese cars are more reliable overall but every body is catching up. Korea (hyundai, Kia Group ) is the HIGHEST in reliability now. Even the americans have caught up with the reliability game. Everybody has stepped up their game big time and before you know it, the "Which car is more reliable" argument will be mute.

All in all, German cars come with more electronics and sophiscation which means, the probability of something going wrong is high.
You can buy a used german car for cheap but still remenber u are maintaining a high end car.

laykhorn:
Hyundai is Japanese
KAI is Indian

laykhorn:
Hyundai is Japanese
KAI is Indian

Davo93: I will set up an 8-man committee, check the prices and do something about it..... Okada! Okada!! Okada!!! Oya carry me go White house for my next meeting

MSItachi: Carina E : 500k + shakara
190 Benz : 250k + begging



Me love Germans thins sha ooo

Yazmin:

All these people that like to comment, to enable them exhaust promo MB's ....
MTN should stop giving free mb's abeg

MSItachi: Carina E : 500k + shakara
190 Benz : 250k + begging



Me love Germans thins sha ooo

Ikenna351: Hmm!

Some people fail to realise that am one of those that wouldn't mind the low resale value of Euro cars, because i benefit from it. Ask me why? Guess how much i bought my tokunbo 406 V6 SV D9 early this year? A lot of Nairaland members have visited me and when i show them the car and tell them how much i bought her, none of them would believe me. I bought her almost the amount i bought my Baby in 2010. This car was shipped from Hamburg and arrived Lagos port in November last year. According to the importer, everyone looked the other way as soon as they see the V6 badge and secondary, because it's not Toyota. I was the only one indicated interest months later and he had no option than to not let me pass him by. Yet, this is a car i can tell you some I4 Japs can't match in fuel economy. On my way back from Church on Sunday, on Expressway, i used Cruise control for the first time. I first tried 120 km/h, the car at that speed averaged about 7.7 L/100km (39+ mpg). I couldn't believe it. Again, i cancelled the speed control and set it at 100 km/h, the car was getting about 6.4 L/100km. And this is a 2000 production. How many Japs of the same year model can boast of that consumption ? Note that i got the car at mileage 166,000 km. Now the mileae is over 170k km, yet the engine still drives like new. I don't even accelerate to move from stand still. All i do is gradually relaese the clutch and the car moves smoothly, no jecking or loss of power. Doubt me? Come over and test.

I recall when some members posted negatively about 406 electrics, claiming that as soon as the cross 100k km, their electrics become nightmares to their owners. They will start falling apart. Mine is 170k km, everything still function as new. I wonder who is to be blamed. The abused poor car, the owner or the clown that did that omen on the poor car?

For those that stay in Abuja, you will bear me witness that Peugeot cars are increasing on Abuja road on daily basis. Parastatal, other govt agencies and paramilitaries are now ditching their Toyotas and switching to Peugeots (408 & 508) as official cars. Privates are not lef out. Even Peugeot Crossovers ( 3008 & 4008) are increasing on the road. People don dey sabi beta thing!

So, the low resale value favours me abeg. After all, i don't buy to resale tomorrow. But buy to drive till it falls apart. Who knows, the low resale value fit make me become 508 owner sooner than i expect. Who knows!

Ikenna.

laykhorn:
Hyundai is Japanese
KAI is Indian

lalaboi:

yOU!!

elektra80:

haba Mr ikenna... 40mpg on a 2000 model peugoet 406 v6. Nbanu, that's not possible unless its diesel powered. Abeg find another thing talk.

At production the 406 v6 does a highway of 29mpg and combined of 21.6mpg. Now that's when its brand new and u know some of those companies even exaggerate, which means u might not even get that mpg. Now fast forward 13 years and 170k plus km mileage and u are getting 40mpg .. Ha ha ha, I can't stop laughing. If u are checking the display on the instrument panel for ur mpg, trust mr those computers are giving u very wrong information. I drove a friends Benz sometimes ago and the mpg display was telling me I was doing 80mpg and I laughed off.

Ikenna351:

Can you please show us the proof where Peugeot stated that the ES9J4S, V6 engine in 406 V6 D9, gives 29 mpg on highway ? Because am staring at my owners manual that came with the car right now.

As for others who would like to know, the car owners manual states that for my 2000 406 V6 5-speed manual, 8BXFX, Saloon, the fuel consumption details is as below:

Urban driving: 20.6 mpg (13.7 L/100 km).

Inter-Urban: 39.2 mpg (7.2 L/100km ).

Mixed driving: 29.4 mpg (9.6 L/100 km).


Note that the above is mpg for the car when the engine has not run-in or break in. Meaning, the mpg could improve more than stated above when broken-in, since the engine has loosen up.

Now electra80, since when did mixed driving becomes inter-urban driving? So are you the one to tell me how my car consumes fuel, irrespective of what the computer says? So am so daft that i don't know how i fill up and how the fuel gauge drops with distance i cover with it? Why do you find it so had to believe ? Because it's not Toyota and its a French car? If your car manufacturer deceives you about what they stated about your car fuel consumption figures, does it mean every other car manufacturer does?

Meanwhile, your orientation about old cars is not encouraging. So to you, as car ages, the fuel consumption increases? Unbelievable !

By the way, that engine in 406 V6 D9, ES9J4S, was co-produced by Peugeot, Renault & Porsche. So, you need to know what is under that hood before you comment on it.

Probably, you thought i was the only one that drives 406 V6 D9? And you thought Nairaland Car Talk is the only Arena Peugeots are discussed? As luck would have it, this 406 V6 fuel economy was recently discussed in aussiefrogs last month by other 406 V6 owners like myself in Australia. Find the discussion in the link below:

http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/peugeot-forum/106597-v6-economy.html



Ikenna.

fili24: Check Mobile.de if you're in doubt

elektra80:

Mr Ikenna.. I don't know ur car more than u do, so apologies if I was wrong. Its just unbelievable for a v6 petrol car to give 40mpg especially in Nigeria that we use adulterated fuels. You might be right though.. but my point is don't always believe the reading on the computer as its always off the real mpg. What do u say about my friend's benz that displays 81mpg while u are driving on the highway. I got my facts from
http://www.autoevolution.com/engine/peugeot-406-coupe-1997-30-v6-24v.html

Now what I do not know is if its the same engine type as urs , but its the same model 406 with v6 engine.

Ikenna351:

I do understand you. But i was only trying to point "don't delve into something you do not understand ".

To start with, the link you provided is a complete crap. Secondly, mine js saloon, while the one reviewed in that crappy blog or whatever is coupe. Both have different weight and aerodynamics. The reviewer couldn't even differentiate or fail to realise that 406 is of two phases: Phase I (D8) 1995-1998; Phase II (D9) 1999-2008 or beyond (though, 406 production stopped in France in 2004). Both D8 & D9 V6s have 2 different V6 engines. Similar, but not identical. The D8 V6 has 194 hp, which is the hp the blog claimed v6 upto 2003 had. Those that mean the D9 also has the 194 hp v6?

ES9J4 is the V6 engine in all D8 V6. It was co-produced by Peugeot & Renault after the PRV production stopped in late '90s. It has 194 hp. Mounted only in Saloon and coupe (no D8 v6 SW, i think).

ES9J4S, a V6 engine in D9, from 1999-2004 (also mounted in 807 v6, 407 v6 & 607 v6 as ES9A with constant vvt). It has maximum of 210 hp. It was co-produced by Peugeot, Renualt & Porsche. It's an ES9J4 (D8 v6 ) modified by Porsche for better fuel efficiency and higher hp. It was mounted in D9 Saloon, coupe and SW.

Like i always say, "Don't Believe Everything You Read!".

Ikenna.

KA24DETT:

Bro, 40mpg on the highway? That's amazing . What's the engine RPM at 100km/hr? Very tall gearing on OD? Am impressed .
U definitely can milk that engine for all it's fuel economy.
Does it have VVT and is it direct injected?

laykhorn:
Hyundai is Japanese
KAI is Indian