Zhul-fiqar:


why do you insist on mocking yourself with half or no knowledge?

the majority of Shia scholars forbid tatbeer (cutting one's self),and the very post you are using to make a clown out of yourself was posted here on nairaland by a Shia to explain that the act is not religiously permitted by the vast majority of our scholars.there are cultural practices which people have been attracted to because they express sad emotions to fit the occasion.however these practices are not religiously sound.the majority of the Shia don't go about cutting themselves.

Actually they do
Even the blood of children is split in the process and you can often see the children wincing in pain

Zhul-fiqar:

and because there are some lay people who do such acts,that is no justification to[b] tell us to stop holding the memory of Imam Hussain (as) in high esteem[/b],and commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (as) according to the sunnah of the Prophet (s).
Wahhabis/salafists want people to believe they oppose Ashura because of people cut themselves.while in fact whether people cut themselves or not,they just want to erase the memory of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) and the legacy of Imam Hussain (as).

Very funny!

BetaThings:
Actually they do
Even the blood of children is split in the process and you can often see the children wincing in pain

Very funny!

ok,since you now see that the vast majority of Shia and Shia ulama do not tolerate tatbeer,would you now join us to commemorate Ashura? taking the following into account:

-crying for Imam Hussain (as) is sunnah
-hitting oneself in grief is sunnah (Aisha,Sarah and Prophet Muhammad are recorded to have done that)
-love for the Ahlul-Bayt (as) is an injunction in the Quran and that love should not only stay on our lips
-observing Ashura is emphasized in the hadiths
-on Ashura,it is also more opportunity to learn more things in Islam and recite the Quran

@Betathing

“He is not one of us who strikes his cheeks, rends his garment, or cries with the cry of the Jaahiliyyah.”

the above says nothing about hitting one's chest or thigh if we are to assume the hadith is sound.our mourning is not the "cries of jahiliyyah".we need to identify first what was described as "cries of jahiliyyah" to know if it is the same thing we are doing.

that aside,the Prophet (s) is recorded to have mourned for his mother for 30 years even though Sunnis claim she was not a muslim!

also our motive behind marking the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (as) is not so that we can cry or beat ourselves to show grief.these are just means to highlight the injustice and oppression done to the Ahlul-Bayt (as) right from Saqifa Banu Saeda.in other words we are proving our position and justifying it as Shia for following the Ahlul-Bayt (as).the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (as) is the saddest that can portray how the Ahlul-Bayt (as) were treated after the death of the Prophet (s).Wahhabis do not object to ashura because we cry or what we do.it is because of what it stands for in the legacy of Imam Hussain (as) against the caliphate system that was usurped,and which would be restored by Imam Mahdi (aj).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGX9uNWCpfU

"OUR CRY ON ASHURA SCARES THE OPPRESSORS"-Ayatollah Khomeini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgaVwriuf4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv1bqW5ORRA&feature=youtu.benight


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOFmploPBBQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REefIzqFYGg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSXc3nHdRzs

THE LAST PRAYER OF IMAM HUSSAIN (as)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g125lS3z_M

23 Killed, several injured in Iraq on eve of Ashura

Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:13AM

At least 23 Shia Muslims and members of the security forces have been killed and several others wounded in a series of bomb blasts across Iraq on the eve of Ashura commemorations, officials say.

On Wednesday, Iraqi security and medical officials said the bombs have targeted Shia mourners as well as security forces in the northern and western parts of the country.

Iraqi officials said at least eight Shia mourners were killed and 25 others were wounded in three bomb blasts near Baqubah, north of the capital Baghdad.

In the Iraqi city of Tikrit, 170 kilometers north of Baghdad, 11 people, including three police officers, were killed after a bomb went off at a police checkpoint.

In addition, in the city of Fallujah, some 50 kilometers west of Baghdad, bomb attacks killed four more people.

The bombings took place as people were commemorating the anniversary of the martyrdom of Imam Hussein, the third Shiite Imam, and 72 of his companions, who fell in a battle for justice against the second Umayyad caliph, Yazid I, in the Iraqi city of Karbala about 14 centuries ago.

No group has claimed responsibility for the attacks, but systematic bombings are a favorite tactic of al-Qaeda-linked groups, who seek to destabilize the country.

Data released by Iraq’s ministries of health, interior and defense on November 1 showed that violence in the country has killed 964 people -- 855 civilians, 65 policemen and 44 soldiers -- and injured 1,600 others in October.

IA/PR/HRB

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/11/13/334500/23-killed-in-iraq-on-eve-of-ashura/

^^^^

the followers of yazeed doing what they know best: bloodshed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nOOf1rJSzs

Karbala was a major tragedy but i am afraid, you guys have taken it to extremes. There is plenty of blame to go round, the people of Kufa, Ibn Ziyad and Yazid but let Allah be the judge.

There have been many martyrs in the history of the Ummah and from the family, Hamza (RA), Ali(RA) and his sons etc... We know their reward is with Allah. You do not have to hurt ourselves every year, it comes around. I don't think the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) turned the murder of Hamza into an annual remembrance.

tbaba1234: Karbala was a major tragedy but i am afraid, you guys have taken it to extremes.

how? let us follow the sunnah of the Prophet (sa),and not cherry-pick some "sunnah" and turn a blind eye to others and disregard them because they don't suit the history of your predecessors. That is as simple as it can be broken down for you to understand.

mourning for Imam Hussain (as) is a sunnah. it is part of a Quranic injunction to love the Ahlul-Bayt (as).it would be monstrous for us as muslims not to remember Imam Hussain (as) on Ashura,or to ignore this event as some people want us to join them in their evil plan.

There is plenty of blame to go round, the people of Kufa, Ibn Ziyad and Yazid but let Allah be the judge.

we are neither blaming nor judging anyone. we know those who killed the Imam (as) and that is enough said. as of today,yazeed,ibn ziyad,umar ibn saad,their soldiers from Syria and kufa are not alive for us to blame,judge or kill them. we are simply renewing our pledge to the holy Prophet (sa) by reviving our faith against tyranny.just as muslims go annually to hajj and stone the devil,on Ashura when we remember Imam Hussain (as),we take a stand against tyranny,be it of fir'awn,yazeed or the tyrants of our time.

There have been many martyrs in the history of the Ummah and from the family, Hamza (RA), Ali(RA) and his sons etc... We know their reward is with Allah.

Hamza (as) was killed fighting in a battle field at the instigation of Hind (yazeed's grandmother),and she ate his severed liver.it reminds me of those fighting in Syria presently who eat human heart.they are the same followers of yazeed and his grandmother,Hind.Hamza (as) undeniably was martyred by the pagans,among whom was Hind,on the battlefield.

Imam Ali (as) was struck by a renegade/an apostate who was immediately apprehended.

Imam Hassan (as) was poisoned by his wife at the instigation of Muawiya,yazeed's father.

Imam Hussain (as) was besieged (by thousands of yazeed's soldiers) with 72 of his companions,followers and family members.water was cut off,and they were thirsty for days in the scorching desert sun of Karbala.his 6 months old baby was shot with an arrow after the Imam (as) pleaded for water.his children were killed,brothers,nephews,and companions and followers.then the Imam (as) himself was attacked and subsequently beheaded.his body was dragged by a horse and then horses trampled upon his body.the bodies laid for days in the open field with no one to give funeral rites,while the beasts preyed on them.the women and children and few men who were not bodily able to resist were taken as captives.all these happened while the monsters knew Imam Hussain (as) is the grandson of Muhammad (sa).moreover,the Imam's (as) severed head was taken on a spear to kufa and then all the way to Damascus as a show of "victory" to yazeed,the so called "caliph" (successor of the Prophet).this was no the case of Hamzah (as),it was not the case of Imam Ali (as),it was not the case of Imam Hassan (as).it was a tragedy,a massacre because Imam Hussain (as) refused the tyranny of yazeed and to pay him allegiance.and to this day,we still have some muslims whose aim is to stop the Shia Muslims and conceal this sad event.

my message to such people: it is time for you to stop following Abu Sufyan,and start following Muhammad (sa)

time for you to stop following Hind,and start following Hamzah (as).

time for you to stop following Muawiya,and start following Imam Ali (as).

time for you to stop following Yazeed,and start following Imam Hussain (as).

LEAVE BANU UMMAYYAH ALONE,AND HOLD UNTO THE AHLUL-BAYT (as) OF MUHAMMAD (as).that is Islam if you are Muslims.but if you are following the legacy of the ummayds for whom you have lived an historical lie,then you can keep bombing the Shia for reviving the memory of Hussain (as).but as Sayyida Zainab Bint Ali (as) told Yazeed in Damascus: "you will never erase our memory"!!!

You do not have to hurt ourselves every year, it comes around. I don't think the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) turned the murder of Hamza into an annual remembrance.

Hamzah (as) was not murdered.and yes,when the Prophet (sa) returned from Uhud to Medinah,he especially honored his uncle Hamzah (as).his question was: "why are the women of Madinah not crying for my uncle Hamzah".and Hamzah (as) was not murdered.he was martyred by the kuffar fighting in the battlefield.

we are not hurting ourselves.we are fine with the love for Imam Hussain (as) burning in our hearts because his grandfather is MUHAMMAD (as).MUHAMMAD (as) who sacrificed his life so that we can be Muslims.it is too little if we honor his grandson whose blood was spiled in the most horrendous way one can think of.and the blood of Imam Hussain (as) is the blood of Prophet Muhammad (sa).it was Muhammad (sa) whose blood was spilled in Karbala.we will always honor the blood of our Prophet (sa).the same Prophet (sa) who said: "Hussain is from me,and I am from Hussain". we are honoring Islam and serving Allah (swt), when we remember Imam Hussain (as) and revive his memory that aimed to reform the ummah of his grandfather.we are very fine and well.let the salafists/Wahhabis just mind their business and stop bombing innocent civilians for holding unto their beliefs.Islam doesn't say you should kill people who don't believe as you do.

Lol... You want me to read all of that?? I do not agree with the shia account of many things, very exaggerated accounts (to put it lightly) but i don't want to drag the conversation.

Loving the family does not translate to what you people do. Hajj is a religious ritual from the Quran but what you do at karbala is not.

Also, that we do not beat ourselves up does not mean, we do not love Hussain afterall he is the blood of the messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). Everything in moderation, guys..

tbaba1234: Lol... You want me to read all of that??

yes I want you to read all that.please do,but its not by force.

I do not agree with the shia account of many things, very exaggerated accounts (to put it lightly) but i don't want to drag the conversation.

you do not read,so I wonder how you come to know.

I am not giving you Shia accounts.i am giving you Sunni accounts that are concealed and shoved under the carpet.please let us drag the conversation.i find you reasonable to see the truth,but you lack courage for a start.

Loving the family does not translate to what you people do. Hajj is a religious ritual from the Quran but what you do at karbala is not.

please what do "we people do"? let us see if they don't conform with the Quran and Sunnah.

Also, that we do not beat ourselves up does not mean, we do not love Hussain afterall he is the blood of the messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). Everything in moderation, guys..

you do not have to beat yourself to show love for Imam Hussain (as) or to commemorate his martyrdom.his day of martyrdom should be solemnly observed as a day of grief.it should not be ignored.and if people choose to mark it by beating their thighs or chest (as a show of grief in line with the prophetic sunnah),you should not condemn them.the point is not whether you beat your chest or not,and not even if you cry or not (since crying for Imam Hussain is a prophetic sunnah).it is simply about following a legacy.you can do that using different methods.the beating of the chest is just a symbolic expression/ritual, as does stoning the devil in hajj, to demonstrate where your faith and allegiance lies.as for the beating of the chest,it is not a fixed expression that must be done like that of hajj.it is just a means.and if you want to follow another means to express love for Imam Hussain (as),please do it.the problem is when you claim love for Imam Hussain (as),yet you want to erase what happened and rewrite history.that is not honoring the blood of the Prophet (sa),but trying to vindicate his enemies by covering up for them.and we reject that.

Assalamu alayka Ya Aba Abdillahil Hussain (as).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-peJkzqSfAc

LagosShia: Another year and another day of Ashura to answer the call of Imam Hussain (as) in Karbala :

"IS THERE ANY SUPPORTER TO SUPPORT US? IS THERE ANY RESCUER TO RESCUE US?"

And our eternal reply to you O Master Hussain (as) :

Death is a liar! Time is a liar!!

Imam Hussain (as) is immortal!!!

We have promised your mother Sayyida Fatima (as) to never forget Hussain (as) however the enemies dislike!

Our cries in reply to the call of Imam Hussain (as) remain:

Labbayka Ya Hussain (as),Labbayka Ya Muhammad (sa)!!!

At your service O Hussain (as),at your service O Muhammad (sa)!

Ya Hussain (as) !!!

AHZAMALLAHU UJUURANA BIMUSOBINA BIL HOSSEINI (A.S) WA JAHALANA WA IYAAKUM MINAL TOOLIBINA BITHARIHI MAHA WALIYIHI AL IMAM L MAHDI MIN AHLI MUHAMMAD ALEIMU SALAM

Al-Baqir:


AHZAMALLAHU UJUURANA BIMUSOBINA BIL HOSSEINI (A.S) WA JAHALANA WA IYAAKUM MINAL TOOLIBINA BITHARIHI MAHA WALIYIHI AL IMAM L MAHDI MIN AHLI MUHAMMAD ALEIMU SALAM

Ameen.

'Azamallahu lakum al-ajr

‘Who is Hussain’ rebrands Ashoura for new generation

November 16, 2013 12:31 AM

By Elise Knutsen

The Daily Star

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People donate blood during the Who Is Hussain campaign in Beirut, Thursday, Nov. 14, 2013. (The Daily Star/Hasan Shaaban)

BEIRUT: What do Rosa Parks, Oskar Schindler and the Prophet Mohammad’s grandson Hussein have in common? According to the organization “Who is Hussain,” all were important historical figures who stood up for the rights of others. To honor the memory of Hussein on the occasion of Ashoura, the group held a blood drive in Hamra Thursday. Ninety-two people donated blood, which was donated then to the St. Jude’s Cancer Center at the American University in Beirut Medical Center.

On a day when many people ritually shed their blood to honor Imam Hussein, a tradition known as “tatbir” in Lebanon, the organization sought to aid others. “Instead of having your blood on the streets you can have it in another person’s veins,” said Riham Hijazi, who coordinated the drive.

Who is Hussain is hardly the first blood drive organized to coincide with Ashoura. Hezbollah has for many years actively discouraged violent self-flagellation and encouraged the devout to donate blood instead. Two hospitals in Beirut’s southern suburbs of Bahman and Dar al-Hawraa, also held blood drives this year.

What sets Who is Hussain apart is its targeting of a young, multinational and diverse audience. The international campaign, which was founded in London last year, seeks to educate the public about the historical figure Hussein bin Ali in part by comparing him to civil rights leaders such as Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King. With a sleek website (www.whoishussain.org) and social media savvy, the organization hopes to cast Hussain in a new light for Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Imam Hussein, said Hijazi, preached “being compassionate about other people, regardless of sect, religion, color, anything that separates us as human beings.”

“Some people don’t really know Imam Hussein like we know him. They think Shiites, all they do is wail and weep, shed blood. We’re here to change that image,” she said.

She, and many others in the Who is Hussain organization, are staunchly against the Ashoura practice of self-flagellation. “There is another way, a better way, to show your love,” Hijazi said. Over the past week, Who is Hussain has held blood drives in 17 cities, she added.

Dulfekar al-Mouswe, a member of the Who Is Hussain organization, said he used to self-flagellate during Ashoura commemorations.

“I saw it as something exciting, that you are a man, you’re not afraid,” he said. “We used to live in Denmark where we are a minority, so we liked to show ourselves.”

He later decided, however, that the practice was harming both him and the image of his community.

“I’m showing that we are uncivilized,” he said. “There are people that are afraid of us.”

Mouswe said he liked the idea that he didn’t know who would receive his blood, or what sect they adhere to. “I really know they are human and they have the right to live,” he said.

While many of the donors at the Hamra Street center donned black scarves, often worn by Shiites in honor of Ashoura, others said they were not drawn to the blood drive for religious reasons.

“I came without thinking about it,” said Georges, who identified himself as Christian. “It’s not about religion, its about humanity.”

Blood donors received bottles of juice with the names of important historical figures who, Hijazi said, “made a change.” Names included Alexander the Great, Albert Einstein, Che Guevara, Nelson Mandela, Jesus and, of course, Hussein.

“Please Recycle,” the label read. “Hussein would have.”


http://dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2013/Nov-16/238007-who-is-hussain-rebrands-ashoura-for-new-generation.ashx#axzz2knPA3Ahf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcehVQ9Vrks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQiyzGVRdvU

London Ashura 2013 Procession:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Fe_xTKZIo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14yxlkzo240

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_2OcPCMJNU

THE PROPHET (s) DID NOT ONLY CRY FOR IMAM HUSSAIN (as),-EVEN WHEN IMAM HUSSAIN (as) WAS YOUNG-BUT HE WAILED FOR IMAM HUSSAIN (as) FIFTY YEARS BEFORE KARBALA, EVERYTIME JIBRIL (as) REMIND HIM OF HIS MARTYRDOM.THE PROPHET (s) ALSO HONORED THE SOIL ON WHICH IMAM HUSSAIN (as) WOULD BE MARTYRED!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFTcmZ2fKS0