Offer to God thanksgiving and pay your vows to the
Most High: And call upon me in the day of trouble: I
will deliver you, and you shall glorify me.
Psalm 50 vs 14 - 15

Let it go man, topic been overflogged, castrated, dissected, debated, thrashed, expletives on(sic) and whatnot.

4C2215131: Let it go man, topic been overflogged, castrated, dissected, debated, thrashed, expletives on(sic) and whatnot.

I can't let the truth go away! I stand for the truth.... And the word of God is the truth!

Isn't this the same ijele-igbo that was always on romance and sexuality section? Wasn't he like the king of those sections? You found God, @op?

This topic will be taken down cos it has been over-flogged so many times on NL...

This camouflage doesn't suit you... go back to sexuality section...

Ijele-igbo:


I can't let the truth go away! I stand for the truth.... And the word of God is the truth!

You guys should let this tithe issue alone, I think its the most controversial issue on nl. You say you stand for the truth, then read the truth about tithing here www.nairaland.com/1480358/concerning-tithes-giving-etc-expose

GSKing: Isn't this the same ijele-igbo that was always on romance and sexuality section? Wasn't he like the king of those sections? You found God, @op?

This topic will be taken down cos it has been over-flogged so many times on NL...

This camouflage doesn't suit you... go back to sexuality section...

Old things have passed away behold, all things have become new!
I'm a son of God now!

noblefada:
You guys should let this tithe issue alone, I think its the most controversial issue on nl. You say you stand for the truth, then read the truth about tithing here www.nairaland.com/1480358/concerning-tithes-giving-etc-expose

The word of God is the truth! If you want to know the truth about tithes and offerings, study the word!!
The lord says pay your tithes and offerings, fulfill your vows and offer thanksgiving unto him.... Call upon him in time of trouble and HE WILL ANSWER YOU!!! PRAISE THE LORD......

Ijele-igbo:



Old things have passed away behold, all things have become new!
I'm a son of God now!

ouch! No more girls to s.h.a.g.? oh! sorry, you never had a girl friend...

GSKing:
ouch! No more girls to s.h.a.g.? oh! sorry, you never had a girl friend...

This a thread about tithes and offerings and not about sex....

Ijele-igbo:



This a thread about tithes and offerings and not about sex....

Christian thingy... don't worry ya head, I'm out!

Ijele-igbo:



The word of God is the truth! If you want to know the truth about tithes and offerings, study the word!!
The lord says pay your tithes and offerings, fulfill your vows and offer thanksgiving unto him.... Call upon him in time of trouble and HE WILL ANSWER YOU!!! PRAISE THE LORD......

Pls did u read the thread at all, because if did, then you just contradicted urself.

noblefada:
Pls did u read the thread at all, because if did, then you just contradicted urself.

I don't need to read the thread because I understand what God says about tithe and offerings

GSKing:
Christian thingy... don't worry ya head, I'm out!

If you don't believe in God you better start doing so! Reconcile with your creator and he shall accept you

God said there is a change in the priesthood, Jesus is the high priest nw and we his children are priest according to peter. Even in the tithing era only levitical(levite)priesthood were allowed to collect tithe among all the tribe mentiond in the bible, so i dnt know how a Nigerian pastor would wake up one day and claim to be a levite! Even when God himself already said there is change in the priesthood. Tithing is a law and cursed is placed on people that still hides under the law! Whatever happens to what Jesus said in mattew? That 'whatsoever you do to the least of my brother, u do unto me' there is enough evidence in the bible to prove that money collected for tithes today was not in God's intention for tithes, it was paid in fruit and food material, go nd read chronicles, I am nt with my bible right nw. Even if tithe should be paid at all, there is a way we can still follow the standard of paying it in fruit and food material rather than money. God said he is the same yesterday, today and forever, his standard would not change because of any generation. Even malachi the pastors threaten us wit doesnt mention money as tithe 'so there may be food in the store house' i am sure we all know that money is not kept in the store house even till this generation not to talk of the bible times. Tithe is not money! God doesnt need ur money, Jesus places more emphasis on us giving to the poor in NT. That is the basis for us nw not tithes.

OlamiB: God said there is a change in the priesthood, Jesus is the high priest nw and we his children are priest according to peter. Even in the tithing era only levitical(levite)priesthood were allowed to collect tithe among all the tribe mentiond in the bible, so i dnt know how a Nigerian pastor would wake up one day and claim to be a levite! Even when God himself already said there is change in the priesthood. Tithing is a law and cursed is placed on people that still hides under the law! Whatever happens to what Jesus said in mattew? That 'whatsoever you do to the least of my brother, u do unto me' there is enough evidence in the bible to prove that money collected for tithes today was not in God's intention for tithes, it was paid in fruit and food material, go nd read chronicles, I am nt with my bible right nw. Even if tithe should be paid at all, there is a way we can still follow the standard of paying it in fruit and food material rather than money. God said he is the same yesterday, today and forever, his standard would not change because of any generation. Even malachi the pastors threaten us wit doesnt mention money as tithe 'so there may be food in the store house' i am sure we all know that money is not kept in the store house even till this generation not to talk of the bible times. Tithe is not money! God doesnt need ur money, Jesus places more emphasis on us giving to the poor in NT. That is the basis for us nw not tithes.

10% of your income is enough tithe to God

OlamiB: God said there is a change in the priesthood, Jesus is the high priest nw and we his children are priest according to peter. Even in the tithing era only levitical(levite)priesthood were allowed to collect tithe among all the tribe mentiond in the bible, so i dnt know how a Nigerian pastor would wake up one day and claim to be a levite! Even when God himself already said there is change in the priesthood. Tithing is a law and cursed is placed on people that still hides under the law! Whatever happens to what Jesus said in mattew? That 'whatsoever you do to the least of my brother, u do unto me' there is enough evidence in the bible to prove that money collected for tithes today was not in God's intention for tithes, it was paid in fruit and food material, go nd read chronicles, I am nt with my bible right nw. Even if tithe should be paid at all, there is a way we can still follow the standard of paying it in fruit and food material rather than money. God said he is the same yesterday, today and forever, his standard would not change because of any generation. Even malachi the pastors threaten us wit doesnt mention money as tithe 'so there may be food in the store house' i am sure we all know that money is not kept in the store house even till this generation not to talk of the bible times. Tithe is not money! God doesnt need ur money, Jesus places more emphasis on us giving to the poor in NT. That is the basis for us nw not tithes.

10% of your income is enough tithe to God

@ Ijele-Igbo, How will you reconcile tithing with this article below:

“I CANNOT AFFORD TO BE A CHRISTIAN”

Romans 8:32 - He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

2 Peter 1:2 - Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:


Evangelism remains a cardinal aspect of the Christian’s way of life. The call on us to “go ye…” by Jesus Christ cannot be over-emphasized especially in times like this when it seems the world itself is reeling from the weight of the sins of men. There is no other time in the history of the world that men need to hear the message of the saving works of Jesus Christ than now. But it seems to me that the world is tired of the gospel. An average non-Christian has heard these words “give your life to Christ…” so many times that it is making little sense to them day by day and thus there is a need to trust God for more creative ways of passing across the message of the cross to a world desperately in need of hearing it. As we endeavor to do this as Christians, we must also update ourselves about certain realities in the world today and the need for us as Christians to up our game, quit religion and avail ourselves as vessels to God to be used as his mouth piece to witness Jesus to a world in dire need of the salvation message.

One reality that we Christian seem not to notice about the mindset of a non Christian is the fact that many of such people cannot afford to be Christians. I use the word “afford” to drive home the fact that the Christianity that many espouse today cost too much financially and people cannot just afford to pay for it; and the best way of doing this is just to keep away from the gospel entirely. There is a certain false teaching in the heart and life of the Christian church today that says that for one to be a good Christian such an individual must pay a tithe of his income to a Christian clergy or to the church he worships in. And for this reason, many hard working and sensible individuals who, at one time or the other had considered the Christian message have been put off and relapsed into a world of sin. There is no scripture in the whole of the bible that says for one to be a Christian or for one to be a good Christian or for one to get to heaven, such an individual must pay a tithe of his weekly or monthly income to a clergy or church. To claim such is to put a sword through the heart of the gospel Jesus called the church to propagate around the world. The eternal gospel that God called us to tell the world is that Jesus Christ died a painful death on a Roman Cross to purchase salvation for the world. In doing this, Jesus paid for all that needs to be paid for. Anyone that believes the gospel of Jesus is not required to pay anything more both to be a Christian or to remain a Christian. Man’s salvation is fully paid for by the atoning work of Jesus on the cross of Calvary. Salvation is God’s free gift to human beings and any man can partake of this salvation by only believing in Jesus as his Lord and Savior.

This sort of conditional and false gospel tried to creep into the body of Christ in the early days of the apostles too. Christianity having been borne from a Jewish tradition was in danger of being influenced by Judaism, when some individuals began to say people could not be saved except they were circumcised first (Acts 15:1). This heresy was quickly dispelled by the apostles of Jesus when they showed the implication of Jesus’s dying on our faith: “But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.” (Acts 15:11). The grace of God in the cross of Jesus is the fact that God gives salvation freely to men and no one needs to work to earn it, talk less of paying for it. Grace is a favour that is not merited neither can it be paid for. The doctrine that teaches that Christians must pay tithe to their local churches is a false doctrine that is the result of a wrong interpretation of the tithe God demanded from the Children of Israel in the Old Testament as a kind of taxation to support the religious and civil life of those people. The tithe of the Old Testament is ten percent of the agricultural produce from God’s holy land. A land that God gave to the children of Israel and He instituted the tithe from any produce off that Land to be a paid to a tribe, the levites, who had no inheritance on the land. This tithe was expected to paid once, following the harvest, and was to be given to the levithes, who in turn paid a tithe of what they received to the priests for their own upkeep. The tithe was never money, even though money existed in Old Testament times. That system of tithing is however, today, defuct and obsolete, because the church of Jesus Christ is not physical Israel and there are no levities to pay tithes to today.

Jesus has paid all that needs to be paid and God is not demanding anything from anyone save for simple faith in what Jesus has done on the cross for sinful humanity. What did Jesus do? God created a good world. A world devoid of sin, sickness, poverty and every sort of ill. He created man and put man in the world he created but man sinned and lost his relationship with God. In spite of this set back, God put in motion another plan to redeem man. When Jesus was to be born, the reason for his coming was stated: He was to come and save man from his sins (Matthew 1:21). Jesus did this by living a sinless life on earth by fulfilling the righteous requirements of the laws God had given Moses. In the laws of Moses, men could pay for their sins by killing a lamb. However, Jesus, who had lived the law perfectly, became a sinless lamb, whom God set forth as a propitiation for our sin. Like in the days of Moses, God put the sins of the whole world on Jesus and He died as the sacrificial Lamb of God for the sins of all men. Jesus paid for our sins by his death on a Roman Cross. This is what Jesus did.

But the story did not end there, Jesus would however, rise up from the dead after three days in the grave, having purchased eternal salvation for all who will believe in Him. This is the crux of the gospel message and this is what satan has been attacking from all times. When a man, having heard the gospel message, is convicted of his sins and repents before God, such a man is forgiven by God and is made a new creation in Christ. Such an individual is saved and has begun a glorious journey in God that started in grace and will most certainly end in grace. Such an individual need not pay a penny to be saved, to remain saved or to be saved into God’s glorious kingdom.

To conclude this essay, I wish to offer a proper and balanced perspective on the whole matter of money in the Christian church. While God does not demand we pay tithes or offering to be members of the Church His Son purchased with His blood, God demands our love. The truth is that a genuinely born-again individual will have God’s love shed abroad in his heart. He will see life from a new perspective: he would love God and he would love human beings. It is this love God has placed in the heart of such a converted fellow that leads him to give because love always gives. This giving is not by compulsion (2Corinthians 9:7) as is falsely depicted by the doctrine of tithing, but free will. What this free will giving shall be is not a matter for any church or pastor to determine for any of God’s saints: an individual may be so blessed by God that he determines in his heart to give 10% of his income to support the church were he is being discipled. That is just fine; but what he gives is not a tithe but a tenth of his income.

Despite the position I have taken in this essay I still encourage giving to the church because of the great need for the propagation of the gospel in these last days. There is the need for more money in mission works to parts of the world that have never heard the gospel message; there is the need to take care of the weak in the church: widows, orphans, the sick, homeless, jobless, etc. And there is the need to minister our physical blessings to our Pastors, as they minister spiritual things to us. All of these needs in church can be adequately taken care of by graceful, sacrificial, free willed offering; without the need to impose the false burden of tithe paying on the flock of God.

The message of this essay is that salvation is free: fully paid for by the death of Jesus on the cross. We cannot purchase salvation by good works, circumcision or by tithing. God is calling on every person who is not a Christian to re consider the gospel message, not in the light of the false one that the demands money from you but in the light of the true gospel that says God does not desire a penny from you; rather, God desires you. God has fully paid for your salvation in Christ Jesus and you need not pay anything to receive it or to keep it. Every human being created by God can afford to be a Christian because salvation in Jesus Christ is free!

See a further article (Q & A) on tithing written by same author here:http://www.yesufu..com/2013/09/q-session-on-tithing_12.html

Hope you could read it through. Let me have your response.

Ijele-igbo:


I don't need to read the thread because I understand what God says about tithe and offerings

Ok then there is no point discussing with you.

Ijele-igbo:


I don't need to read the thread because I understand what God says about tithe and offerings

My bro..best follow your heart.Don't allow this stingy defaulters to cajole and deceive you.Your heart is what matters to Jesus.Even Jesus stood by the offerings at the temple watching people and their givings.watching their motives and intents, because Jesus looked at their heart.If pastors were to do that in church as Jesus representative,you will hear all manner of accusations and rebellions here.

Just follow your heart bro..God bless you.

Bidam: My bro..best follow your heart.Don't allow this stingy defaulters to cajole and deceive you.Your heart is what matters to Jesus.Even Jesus stood by the offerings at the temple watching people and their givings.watching their motives and intents, because Jesus looked at their heart.If pastors were to do that in church as Jesus representative,you will hear all manner of accusations and rebellions here.

Just follow your heart bro..God bless you.

God bless you too!