Just to make it absolutely plain the position of Malcolm to be separate from Europeans and have/manage our own etc etc
Was already largely achieved by lots of African Americans in the south. As such his vision held less meaning to southern African Americans. Because just like Haiti and other African countries they experienced that when you have "your own", Europeans uses economic & military means to control or manipulate that space.

Southern African Americans already had/ currently have what Malcolm envisioned they were/ currently are trying to solidify control over it. The problem today is similar to other African peoples which is brain drain.

(Graduates leaving to maintain other peoples cities in exchange for a shiny home & night life instead of building their own, back home)

**It was/is not an ether/or proposition it's an order of execution issue**

RandomAfricanAm: Just to make it absolutely plain the position of Malcolm to be separate from Europeans and have/manage our own etc etc
Was already largely achieved by lots of African Americans in the south. As such his vision held less meaning to southern African Americans. Because just like Haiti and other African countries they experienced that when you have "your own", Europeans uses economic & military means to control or manipulate that space.

Very true. But then, I wonder...do you really own what you are unable to protect? Black wall street is still history after is was brutally taken down. Perhaps Malcolm's message is more relevant to the south than you realize

Southern African Americans already had/ currently have what Malcolm envisioned they were/ currently are trying to solidify control over it. The problem today is similar to other African peoples which is brain drain.

(Graduates leaving to maintain other peoples cities in exchange for a shiny home & night life instead of building their own, back home)

**It was/is not an ether/or proposition it's an order of execution issue**

No young talent or graduate is going to miss a chance at expanded potential in the big city, even if it ends up being a mirage. What 23 year old graduate wants to risk becoming the 43 year old man with no future in a nameless small town.

The brain drain argument was also echoed by Fashola recently. They forget that the Nigerian who became a star neurosurgeon in the US would be a store clerk at some nameless company had he stayed behind.

The brain drain is the result, not the cause

birdman:

Very true. But then, I wonder...do you really own what you are unable to protect? Black wall street is still history after is was brutally taken down. Perhaps Malcolm's message is more relevant to the south than you realize

Considering that the damage done to Tulsa Oklahoma is exactly what I mean when I say...

"just like Haiti and other African countries they experienced that when you have "your own", Europeans uses economic & military means to control or manipulate that space."

I'd say my position is still within it's proper context. especially considering it was civil rights legislation that opened the space to politically control the space you live in. I.E it was the civil rights legislation that allowed Malcolm's idea to be politically feasible. Now if you want it to be militarily feasible also ...buy a bunch of guns and train the people(shrugs).

Though when you control the political apparatus of the locality you also control the law enforcement. So it's actually a two for one deal. If you want an African American politically/"militarily" run area such as Malcolm envisioned move to one of the counties listed on the prior page. Though you still have to deal with...(see your own comment below)

birdman:
No young talent or graduate is going to miss a chance at expanded potential in the big city, even if it ends up being a mirage. What 23 year old graduate wants to risk becoming the 43 year old man with no future in a nameless small town.

The brain drain argument was also echoed by Fashola recently. They forget that the Nigerian who became a star neurosurgeon in the US would be a store clerk at some nameless company had he stayed behind.

The brain drain is the result, not the cause

That's neither here nor there... not only is it readily apparent that the brain drain is the "result, not the cause" we also know what it is the result of(under development caused by European enslavement /colonization of African peoples) and that the talented are the means by which that underdevelopment is corrected.

Now a better conversation would be why do we go to school for things which we have not the infrastructure to support? Be it on the continent or in the diaspora you see people trying to walk before they crawl. People in the diaspora Spending money on stupid flashy status symbols instead of using it to open a grocery store, bank, or buy/pay off your home. People on the continent with flashy cell phones and tvs electronics(there happy now?) and can't keep the electricity on 48 hours.

Why the hell would that "Nigerian who became a star neurosurgeon" go to school in a field that his/her country has not the infrastructure to support? If they wanted to do medicine primary care, nursing, and pharmacology would be the focus until you have the infrastructure to support "specialty medicine".

Diaspora & continent with a** backward priorities wasting great talent

RandomAfricanAm:
Now a better conversation would be why do we go to school for things which we have not the infrastructure to support? Be it on the continent or in the diaspora you see people trying to walk before they crawl. People in the diaspora Spending money on stupid flashy status symbols instead of using it to open a grocery store, bank, or buy/pay off your home. People on the continent with flashing cell phones and tvs and can't keep the electricity on 48 hours.

Cell phones are not just a status symbol. For communities where there were no land lines, this infrastructure cost can now be skipped, and many people are able to do business and communicate at much lower costs. The benefits of this technology generation jump is well known to those who actually research the continent. Google high speed internet by air is one project piggybacking on this concept. There are grocery stores, banks etc that have stayed afloat precisely because of cell phone availability

Why the hell would that "Nigerian who became a star neurosurgeon" go to school in a field that his/her country has not the infrastructure to support? If they wanted to do medicine primary care, nursing, and pharmacology would be the focus until you have the infrastructure to support "specialty medicine".

Why would YOU go to school to become a neurosurgeon, when your communities (that you highlighted) are better suited for agriculture. Last I checked, many dont even have past basic hospitals. To carry your logic even further, why study to become an astronaut when being an entertainer is the most visible sign of success. See how dumb you sound? Do you realize that there are many traveling neurosurgeons who go back and forth on continents practising for free many times? The Nigerian surgeon may not be resident, but at least he can be called upon for goodwill missions occasionally.

If we followed your crappy logic, we wouldn't have a satellite with locally staffed scientist passing down technological know how. Neither would Kenya have an IT hub that is becoming a hotspot on the continent. Your views, to put it mildly, are nonsensical. They are the kind of policies an idi amin would make, because that is the only thing that makes sense to his simple mind.

Diaspora & continent with a** backward priorities wasting great talent

Lol! See pot calling kettle black. Put the skunk weed down brah.

birdman:

Cell phones are not just a status symbol. For communities where there were no land lines, this infrastructure cost can now be skipped, and many people are able to do business and communicate at much lower costs. The benefits of this technology generation jump is well known to those who actually research the continent. Google high speed internet by air is one project piggybacking on this concept. There are grocery stores, banks etc that have stayed afloat precisely because of cell phone availability

Yawn ...You know darn well the point I was making(That the power grid is over taxed by use of luxury items that the infrastructure can't handle) whether that be electricity, gas, or roads. Try again.

birdman:
Why would YOU go to school to become a neurosurgeon, when your communities (that you highlighted) are better suited for agriculture. Last I checked, many dont even have past basic hospitals. To carry your logic even further, why study to become an astronaut when being an entertainer is the most visible sign of success. See how dumb you sound? Do you realize that there are many traveling neurosurgeons who go back and forth on continents practising for free many times? The Nigerian surgeon may not be resident, but at least he can be called upon for goodwill missions occasionally.

If we followed your crappy logic, we wouldn't have a satellite with locally staffed scientist passing down technological know how. Neither would Kenya have an IT hub that is becoming a hotspot on the continent. Your views, to put it mildly, are nonsensical. They are the kind of policies an idi amin would make, because that is the only thing that makes sense to his simple mind.

And he still tries ...my point still stands "If they wanted to do medicine primary care, nursing, and pharmacology would be the focus until you have the infrastructure to support "specialty medicine"

Especially considering you were the one who stated

birdman:
No young talent or graduate is going to miss a chance at expanded potential in the big city, even if it ends up being a mirage. What 23 year old graduate wants to risk becoming the 43 year old man with no future in a nameless small town.

The brain drain argument was also echoed by Fashola recently. They forget that the Nigerian who became a star neurosurgeon in the US would be a store clerk at some nameless company had he stayed behind.

The brain drain is the result, not the cause

I.E My point still stands

birdman:
Lol! See pot calling kettle black. Put the skunk weed down brah.

Look who's talking SMH ...now what about the topic of Malcolm and king(You know, what this thread is actually about)

RandomAfricanAm:

Look who's talking SMH ...now what about the topic of Malcolm and king(You know, what this thread is actually about)

At least you know better than to come here and argue with your superiors. stick to posting pictures will ya?

Sorry buddy you don't get the privilege of dodging the points raised here cause I will call you out.
Answer, keep running, or go home your choice. Post# 68 & 67



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Where do they find these lightweights SMH

Lets check on the non-sense that was going on here.
Hmm, nothing new ...I'll continue waiting.