1. The day I told the pastor I would no longer be attending, all information about me was deleted from church records within hours. The church never contacted me again.

2. When I bumped into people from the church in local stores they pretended they did not know me.

3. When I e-mailed several people from the church (including one person who had borrowed something from me which he had not returned and who I e-mailed three times) they never replied.

4. I discovered people in the streets on Sunday mornings who don’t like churches, but who want to talk about Jesus. I don’t remember anyone at church who wanted to talk about Jesus.

5. I love the freedom in Christ, of not being told how I must believe and how I must interpret the Bible. After I left, I discovered that most of what the church believed was taken straight from a book written by a “theologian” who they considered something like their guru. That book was their primary resource. The Bible was somewhere down the list, behind numerous other books.

6. Now my time and money are available to help others.

7. Now I have time to get to really know my neighbors and build community with them, and help them build community with each other.

8. I’ve discovered a huge community of people who have left church, many of whom are trying to figure out how to build new communities outside the institutional church, communities that include Jesus.

9. Most of my friends don’t expect me to pretend I’m something or someone I’m not, as I was expected to do with the church people.

10. Now I really grasp the idea that I am part of the church, all the time, with everyone with whom I come in contact. Church is not a place or a time. Church is the body of Christ, alive and active in the world.

11. I no longer resent serving others. Serving those who have real needs and who say thank you works so much better for me than does serving those who do not need what I have to offer and are demanding and critical.

12. I’ve discovered the meaning of “Love your neighbor as you love yourself”.

13. I’ve discovered where Jesus hangs out, and with whom Jesus hangs out. That is where I want to be.

14. I no longer dread Sundays.

http://www.tillhecomes.org/14-reasons-never-returned-institutional-church/

You want to be an independent man, not affiliated to any organized 'christian' sect? is that what you are up to?

JMAN05: You want to be an independent man, not affiliated to any organized 'christian' sect? is that what you are up to?

'organised sect' - food for thought !

sects breed sectarianism as is evident in the babels all over Nigeria , why would I want to be a part of such ?

@FROSBEL,
very soon, you'll start giving 20 reasons why you no longer believe in God.

Na from clap Urhobo woman they take enter dance.

Guard your mind bro!

Yooguyz: @FROSBEL,
very soon, you'll start giving 20 reasons why you no longer believe in God.

Na from clap Urhobo woman they take enter dance.

Guard your mind bro!

I disagree, my belief in God and Christ for that matter is unshakable .

Jesus did not come to start sects, he came to set the captives free, yet many sects all over the world are taking back his children as captives.

JMAN05: You want to be an independent man, not affiliated to any organized 'christian' sect? is that what you are up to?In that case i want you to be a member of Jehovah's witness it's the one and only true religion in the world

now you are talking your mind.

Yooguyz:
now you are talking your mind.

good Christian, adding to someone else's statement - you know its called fraud !

frosbel:

good Christian, adding to someone else's statement - you know its called fraud !

am not defrauding any one here bro!
Am just unveiling his true intentions.

Yooguyz:
am not defrauding any one here bro!
Am just unveiling his true intentions.

over sabi

Same I am facing here, if U had been in Nigeria u would probably had been turned something else spiritually, harmed or even killed. Though I dont share all ur sentiments, bt I tell u most of these sects are more deadly than terrorist 'cos those ones do theirs openly but these are so organized that nothing can be traced back to them n they have people everywhere.

NB Believe me I am a witness, seeing the next day is always a miracle, bt what I have going for me is that they cant hurt me spiritually despite all their trials.

*smiling* ........you do write well.

I share your feelings. However, i believe you have only taken the first step into Agnosticism (it gives so much peace) , which may later develop into atheism ...

There is something about using once brain and religion that do not seem to mix...

frosbel:

'organised sect' - food for thought !

sects breed sectarianism as is evident in the babels all over Nigeria , why would I want to be a part of such ?

Well, it is true that true christianity shouldnt be divided, but belonging to an organised christian religion is inevitable. Some think that being on their own and engaging in an independent research is the best than belonging to a particular Christian institution.

Granted, we must make personal research to confirm the truth to ourselves, and we are judged individually by God not as a group, but belonging to an organised religion is the bible's direction somehow.

frosbel:

good Christian, adding to someone else's statement - you know its called fraud !

Since he was disfellowshipped by JWs, he doesnt feel fine on seing any member of JWs. He is a gay, and probably, this could have contributed to his being ousted from the religion, because we dont tolerate such.

I dont view him as a serious fellow anymore, but if he tries to add to my writeups again, I think I would report him to the Mod. that is the height of hatred, to add to my words in such a way that it appeared that I wrote such.

*smiling* ........you do write well.

I share your feelings. However, i believe you have only taken the first step into Agnosticism (it gives so much peace) , which may later develop into atheism ...

There is something about using once brain and religion that do not seem to mix .

Oduduwaboy: *smiling* ........you do write well.

I share your feelings. However, i believe you have only taken the first step into Agnosticism (it gives so much peace) , which may later develop into atheism ...

There is something about using once brain and religion that do not seem to mix...

A true xtian cant slip into that, save there was no foundation from the onset. The worst that could happen to a sincere true xtian is being saved as one passing thru fire n losing his rewards.

Bt sincerely nothing is what it seem to be in the Christendom (at least in Nigeria i Know of), and anyone that does not have personal relationship with God holding on to those men is doomed forever

Oduduwaboy: *smiling* ........you do write well.

I share your feelings. However, i believe you have only taken the first step into Agnosticism (it gives so much peace) , which may later develop into atheism ...

There is something about using once brain and religion that do not seem to mix .

I disagree.

Some go into atheism while others go into a deeper knowledge of GOD.

JMAN05:



I dont view him as a serious fellow anymore, but if he tries to add to my writeups again, I think I would report him to the Mod. that is the height of hatred, to add to my words in such a way that it appeared that I wrote such.

I don't hate you JMAN05, i just can't seem to comprehend why you are so narrow minded when it comes to doctrinal issues.

Am sorry for the little add up thing. It was just a little joke-prank i pulled.
It will never happen again!

And pleeeese stop spreading false rumours about me.

frosbel:

I disagree.

Some go into atheism while others go into a deeper knowledge of GOD.

Those that goes into atheism never had the foundation, they never personally encountered Christ

Good for you. You were a curse to the church. They really wanted you to leave but didnt know how to ask you to get out.

So they were happy afterall

mumumugu: Good for you. You were a curse to the church. They really wanted you to leave but didnt know how to ask you to get out.

So they were happy afterall

If anyone doubt you are not a gay, then I prove my point. not a rumour.

frosbel: 1. The day I told the pastor I would no longer be attending, all information about me was deleted from church records within hours. The church never contacted me again.
http://www.tillhecomes.org/14-reasons-never-returned-institutional-church/

Because the pastor knows the writer does not pay Tithes. Tithe collectors don't want a non tither in their church

frosbel:

I disagree.

Some go into atheism while others go into a deeper knowledge of GOD.

You have heard it from Oduduwaboy, you are on a downward spiral to atheism and you cannot see it.

MrBible:

Because the pastor knows the writer does not pay Tithes. Tithe collectors don't want a non tither in their church

I think it has more to do with tithes and control.

Their livelihood depends on a larger congregation -

OLAADEGBU:

You have heard it from Oduduwaboy, you are on a downward spiral to atheism and you cannot see it.

I will be the first atheist who believes that Jesus is the Christ and the only way for salvation.

frosbel:


I will be the first atheist who believes that Jesus is the Christ and the only way for salvation.

You don't even realise that satan has already set you up into believing a fake "Jesus" who is not God.

OLAADEGBU:

You don't even realise that satan has already set you up into believing a fake "Jesus" who is not God.

Is Jesus the Son of Yahweh and Messiah a fake ' Jesus ' ?

Well , maybe for you, not for me though !

frosbel:

Is Jesus the Son of Yahweh and Messiah a fake ' Jesus ' ?

Well , maybe for you, not for me though !

Can you explain to us what you mean by "Jesus the Son of Yahweh"? I'm not holding my breath though.

OLAADEGBU:

Can you explain to us what you mean by "Jesus the Son of Yahweh"? I'm not holding my breath though.

Exactly what it says on the tin !

OLAADEGBU:

You have heard it from Oduduwaboy, you are on a downward spiral to atheism and you cannot see it.

Pastor Ola good day, I believe we are all brethren n should treat ourselves as such, the fact that we dont hold the same doctrine should nt deter us. The earlier we start doing that the greater we will do on this forum with our power of unity.

Every true n sincere xtian knows that no one is saved by doctrines saved Christ Act 4:12.

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I disagree.

Some go into atheism while others go into a deeper knowledge of GOD.

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I was only trying to know if you are ready to go all the way . In my own opinion & by my personal experience, the more fair-minded and loving you become , the less religious you can remain! The many injustices ,irrationalities, & unfairness of god of the bible sounded the death knell of my christian faith !

Pastor Olu T:

Pastor Ola good day, I believe we are all brethren n should treat ourselves as such, the fact that we dont hold the same doctrine should nt deter us. The earlier we start doing that the greater we will do on this forum with our power of unity.

Every true n sincere xtian knows that no one is saved by doctrines saved Christ Act 4:12.

What is doctrine to you if I may ask? Do you believe in the doctrine of the proper deity of Christ? Do you believe in the doctrine of Christ's divine and eternal Sonship? Do you believe in His messiah-ship? Do you believe in His obedience, suffering, death and resurrection? Do you believe in the doctrine of justification by His righteousness? Pardon by His blood? Atonement by His sacrifice? What would you say to those who believe the doctrine that says there are other means of salvation outside of Jesus Christ? If you are so much desperate for unity in spite of what folks teach and believe then you are free to do so at your own peril.