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cowleg:

According to your quote, capitalism has really endangered most parents that they have to work extra hard, so many of them had to do as much as 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet, if they don't work so hard, how do you expect them to perform their parental obligation? Are you now telling me that parents should vacate their economic niche, so that they can raise a well behaved children?

n0,parents can't vacate thehr ec0n0mic niche,they can create seperate time,f0r their children. 0k,if the parents vacate ther ec0n0mic niche,and they stay idle,the children will imitate such attitude and behavi0ur. Theref0re,the parent is resp0nsible f0r the child,if in future bec0mes lazy.

cowleg:

According to your quote, capitalism has really endangered most parents that they have to work extra hard, so many of them had to do as much as 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet, if they don't work so hard, how do you expect them to perform their parental obligation? Are you now telling me that parents should vacate their economic niche, so that they can raise a well behaved children?

And what is the essence of the money they make when the future of there children is at stake?

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[quote=LeeBliss13]A sch00l exists t0 teach subjects,n0t behavi0ural etiquette,of which discipline is part. [/quote]

Western education was brought to Nigeria by the missionaries, academic curriculum was designed to train students to be worthy in knowledge and character, that was why moral instruction was part of the academic curriculum, so don't tell me teachers are not expected to teach behavioral etiquette. In the 1980's majority of students were staying in boarding house and majority of them were well mannered. Moral decadence started increasing in the 1990's when most of our school's were converted to Government schools there by loosing their mandate which is to train students with sound personality

My opponents may think that parental punishment is the key to solving discipline problem, it may be successful in the short term to modify or curtail child’s behavior but the long term sequalae is that the child’s good behavior is predicated not on an understanding of the consequence of behavior or interest

i disagree,even the h0ly bible als0[sp0il the r0d and spear the child] [train up a child in the way he sh0uld g0 s0 that when he is 0ld,he will n0t depart fr0m it,can y0u n0w agure with this?]

Rexsul: And what is the essence of the money they make when the future of there children is at stake?

That is why they send their children to school, so that their teacher will inculcate good morals in them.

Leebliss13: i disagree,even the h0ly bible als0[sp0il the r0d and spear the child] [train up a child in the way he sh0uld g0 s0 that when he is 0ld,he will n0t depart fr0m it,can y0u n0w agure with this?]

Am talking about human psychology, no matter the kind of punishment you give a child they can only change when they want to, temperament is an issue, you have solve their inherent problems before punishment can work, if not i don't think the child will change.

cowleg:

That is why they send their children to school, so that their teacher will inculcate good morals in them.

n0! The sch00l teaches english,maths ,bi0l0gy 0r whatever subjects they studied. 0k,if they d0 a parents j0b,h0w will a child learn h0w t0 write its 0wn name 0r add figures?

Leebliss13: n0,parents can't vacate thehr ec0n0mic niche,they can create seperate time,f0r their children. 0k,if the parents vacate ther ec0n0mic niche,and they stay idle,the children will imitate such attitude and behavi0ur. Theref0re,the parent is resp0nsible f0r the child,if in future bec0mes lazy.

Let me use a typical banker as example, how do you expect them to seperate time for child training, i sense you want them to quit work. If they quit their job, how will they now meet up for child's needs,

At cowleg.... you said a child would reach a certain stage when his parent won't have control over him. have you forgot that his behaviour at that stage depends on the way he was brought up? you also said no parent would give bad teachings to their children. What do you think the parent drinking alcohol in the present of there kid is teaching them?

Leebliss13: n0! The sch00l teaches english,maths ,bi0l0gy 0r whatever subjects they studied. 0k,if they d0 a parents j0b,h0w will a child learn h0w t0 write its 0wn name 0r add figures?

At the bolded, a typical nursery 1 student can learn such from his class teacher.

cowleg:

Let me use a typical banker as example, how do you expect them to seperate time for child training, i sense you want them to quit work. If they quit their job, how will they now meet up for child's needs,

they can find 0ther j0bs t0 d0.

cowleg:

At the bolded, a typical nursery 1 student can learn such from his class teacher.

thats why i said its the parents resp0nsibility t0 train their children int0 g00d pers0nnels,while the teacher teaches subjects and n0t behavi0ural etiquette.

Rexsul: At cowleg.... you said a child would reach a certain stage when his parent won't have control over him. have you forgot that his behaviour at that stage depends on the way he was brought up? you also said no parent would give bad teachings to their children. What do you think the parent drinking alcohol in the present of there kid is teaching them?

No read my argument again, most teenagers don't like to be controlled, they like to explore life on their own. As matter of fact alcohol consumption is not a bad thing so i see no reason why consuming alcohol in the presence of your children teaches them bad behaviors.

Leebliss13: thats why i said its the parents resp0nsibility t0 train their children int0 g00d pers0nnels,while the teacher teaches subjects and n0t behavi0ural etiquette.

Where you not thought moral instruction in school?

cowleg:

That is why they send their children to school, so that their teacher will inculcate good morals in them.

most children will always humble themself in the present of there teacher. How do you think the teacher would have time to give the child the kind of moral training they need when they are under pressure to meet up with the syllabus?

cowleg:

. Once a child reaches a certain age their parents cannot control everything they do

yes the parents can't ..but isn't it what they learnt at h0me,that they d0 in future?

cowleg:

Where you not thought moral instruction in school?

g0sh! D0n't y0u get it? M0st 0f the teachers are parents,theref0re,they can't watch 0ther children get c0rrupt. Have y0u ever since a teacher empl0yed t0 teach ab0ut discipline 0nly in a sch00l?

[quote=Rexsul] Parents do not evalute the form and quantity of media permitted at home without knowing that their kids have a propensity to absorb the messages that bombard them because it is a proven fact that kids love to watch an excessive amount of unbeneficial programs on television and eventually exposing themselves to the negative influence in such programs.[/quote]

There is no way parents can regulate everything that a child does,programme listened or watched. Unless they were imprisoned, which doesn't normally happen, all the societal negative influences are always with them, are parents with them when the go to work? answer is NO. What about when the children go to school and mix up with friends.

Leebliss13: they can find 0ther j0bs t0 d0.

seriously i don't think you are right.

cowleg:

No read my argument again, most teenagers don't like to be controlled, they like to explore life on their own. As matter of fact alcohol consumption is not a bad thing so i see no reason why consuming alcohol in the presence of your children teaches them bad behaviors.

How would you say consumption of alcohol is not bad when you know it effect the the mental state of a person? If the child got drunk and decides to rape his mother, what would you say to that?

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Leebliss13: g0sh! D0n't y0u get it? M0st 0f the teachers are parents,theref0re,they can't watch 0ther children get c0rrupt. Have y0u ever since a teacher empl0yed t0 teach ab0ut discipline 0nly in a sch00l?

woooow may be you were not thought moral instruction in school, i was thought moral instruction from nursery to secondary school.

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Rexsul: most children will always humble themself in the present of there teacher. How do you think the teacher would have time to give the child the kind of moral training they need when they are under pressure to meet up with the syllabus?

I don't think so, most children pretend in front of their parents, i can use my self as an example. Most bad things i learnt was from my peers and the society, even-though i had a very strict childhood. From this your argument it has solidify my stand that parents should not be blamed.

cowleg:
woooow may be you were not thought moral instruction in school, i was thought moral instruction from nursery to secondary school.

but it was y0ur parent that was y0ur first teacher,wasn't it? Yes,they were. They taught y0u the basic vaves bef0re g0ing t0 sch00l

cowleg:

There is no way parents can regulate everything that a child does,programme listened or watched. Unless they were imprisoned, which doesn't normally happen, all the societal negative influences are always with them, are parents with them when the go to work? answer is NO. What about when the children go to school and mix up with friends.

The child is expected to be in school when his parent goes to work. moreover the moral training giving to him by his parent is expected to serve as a shield for him when he faces th outside world.

cowleg:

I don't think so, most children pretend in front of their parents, i can use my self as an example. Most bad things i learnt was from my peers and the society, even-though i had a very strict childhood. From this your argument it has solidify my stand that parents should not be blamed.

y0u see,y0ur parents are t0 be blamed f0r y0u pretending cause they weren't 0bserving their child pr0perly.

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Rexsul: How would you say consumption of alcohol is not bad when you know it effect the the mental state of a person? If the child got drunk and decides to rape his mother, what would you say to that?

There is no way, alcohol consumption in-front your children corrupts them and makes them to try out. That was why i wrote previously when a child is growing up they like to try out new things, its called youthful exuberance. So they may try to sip alcohol.. Are you telling alcohol consumers learn such from their parents.